Nerf Bowquest 99

[Mleh]

Maybe a different angle to view this from blue GM perspective?

In classic/kunark/velious, in PvP the bow for a war/sk was generally a minimal damage harassment to keep damage on someone running away from you with high MR and SoW (aka every PvPer losing a fight)

If this bug was on live it would have been fixed in a week as generally any delay-related bug was. (to include /qing with Weighted Axe when linkdeads acted as NPCs)

On P99 Red, it's a totally non-classic experience with every war/sk running around like a ranger with trueshot disc killing other melees in 30 seconds with ranged attacks because it's a blatantly overpowered function of being able to keep running and shooting with a crazy high hit rate and 100+ damage every 1.5s.

All I can figure is GMs don't care that it's broken and think it's part of the game and we should deal with it. Melees using bows in close quarters instead of their Vulak/Sleeper/Epic weapons. Gee, I wonder if there is a game breaking bug?

One last PvP thought after playing vidya games for 25 years: Anytime everyone is doing something to gain an advantage and it wasn't explicitly intended that way, it generally means the game has an exploit/imbalance that needs to be addressed to keep players playing the game.

[Awsten_Tx]

I just double checked Earthshaker and Weighted Axe threads on Alla. Niether of them mentions anything about primary bonus to archery.

This continued bug is a real disappointment to archery damage. Bows should have their own bonus and likewise ranger bonuses should affect those bonuses.

[Guise]

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[ylarik24]

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[Guise]

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[Imago]

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[Elemtal06]

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[frictator]

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[frames]

bump?

[Tune]

server dead again can take your time now

[Imago]

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[Tune]

the evidence on this thread is remarkable.

can we get an update? any plans to fix or should we just move on

keeping it in limbo at this point is just insane

[Awsten_Tx]

Although this post is out of Era, it is still indicative of bows having their own bonus, as well as Ranger Stationary and Trueshot AFFECTING that bonus.

https://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=17778#m106701602090288

"Number 3: The trueshot discapline grants higher crits for bows with higher delays. To test the truth of this, get 2 bows with the same damage and different delays. Trueshot with both of them enough and you will come to see that the one with the higher delay crits harder, despite having equal damage. Therefore, a stonewood, for instance, probably out performes a featherwood during trueshot."

I still maintain, and will continue to maintain, the P99 mainhand bonus applying to archery is a gross error in the combat mechanics of the server. It is an artificial nerf to rangers as well as simultaneous buff to large races, namely large race warriors. Its a broken mechanic that needs fixed.

[Infectious]

Although this post is out of Era, it is still indicative of bows having their own bonus, as well as Ranger Stationary and Trueshot AFFECTING that bonus.

https://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=17778#m106701602090288

"Number 3: The trueshot discapline grants higher crits for bows with higher delays. To test the truth of this, get 2 bows with the same damage and different delays. Trueshot with both of them enough and you will come to see that the one with the higher delay crits harder, despite having equal damage. Therefore, a stonewood, for instance, probably out performes a featherwood during trueshot."

I still maintain, and will continue to maintain, the P99 mainhand bonus applying to archery is a gross error in the combat mechanics of the server. It is an artificial nerf to rangers as well as simultaneous buff to large races, namely large race warriors. Its a broken mechanic that needs fixed.

Out of era information... What you remember as evidence... Please find information that is relevant to our time line.

[Awsten_Tx]

Out of era information... What you remember as evidence... Please find information that is relevant to our time line.

The in era evidence has been posted. Go read it. Thanks for participating though.

[Imago]

Bump!

[1corinthians13]

This was shocking to realize was a thing, but this isn't a PvP specific bug right? This is on Blue and Green as well.

[Awsten_Tx]

This was shocking to realize was a thing, but this isn't a PvP specific bug right? This is on Blue and Green as well.

Yes it's wrong everywhere

[greathope]

Correct. You can for example, bow down rooted dragons.

This really needs to be fixed.

[zackulle]

Correct. You can for example, bow down rooted dragons.

This really needs to be fixed.

Or unrooted gods... https://wiki.project1999.com/Cazic_Thule_(God)

[Reiwa]

Or unrooted gods... https://wiki.project1999.com/Cazic_Thule_(God)

My phone always drops the ) on the end of links like that.

No other commentary.

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

It's insane it's gone on for this long. Absolutely ruins the red experience.

It's not even like this is a bug related to a specific weapon combination where you would have needed to find an obscure exploit. You can double your DPS by switching from a normal 1hander to a normal 2hander.

This would have been found, exploited and patched within a couple days on live, had it existed in that era. Which it didn't...

Is the fix a technical issue related to the client? If not, why is it still there?

[Salaryman]

It's insane it's gone on for this long. Absolutely ruins the red experience.

It's not even like this is a bug related to a specific weapon combination where you would have needed to find an obscure exploit. You can double your DPS by switching from a normal 1hander to a normal 2hander.

This would have been found, exploited and patched within a couple days on live, had it existed in that era. Which it didn't...

Is the fix a technical issue related to the client? If not, why is it still there?

I dont know, probably has something to do with the lobbyists who keep trolling this thread, that guy pretending to be the old dirty bastard and his friends.

[Tormmac]

the culture of hatred for red on these forums became en vogue when the pve community was frustrated waiting for velious development. they considered any time or attention on red to come at the expense of velious development so they actively slandered and act rude to the pvp community hoping our server would die and we would leave and would "no longer threaten to delay velious"

their plan worked so well thats still the active forum culture to this day, with newbies regurgitating talking points without even being around for velious development unaware of why the slander campaign was started.

that is why all pvp or red threads are trolled by dozens of angry weirdos

anyways theres your p99 forum history lesson for the day

[Duik]

Mostly, people never think about red99 (DED99) until someone pops in an crys that nobody is playing in their sandpit with them.

[Salaryman]

RED99

[Duik]

*DED99

[WarpathEQ]

the culture of hatred for red on these forums became en vogue when the pve community was frustrated waiting for velious development. they considered any time or attention on red to come at the expense of velious development so they actively slandered and act rude to the pvp community hoping our server would die and we would leave and would "no longer threaten to delay velious"

their plan worked so well thats still the active forum culture to this day, with newbies regurgitating talking points without even being around for velious development unaware of why the slander campaign was started.

that is why all pvp or red threads are trolled by dozens of angry weirdos

anyways theres your p99 forum history lesson for the day

I just troll the people that post about red because there are probably 100 red forum warriors for ever 1 active red player. Funny how much time is spent advocating for a server that even the advocates don't play.

[Awsten_Tx]

I just troll the people that post about red because there are probably 100 red forum warriors for ever 1 active red player. Funny how much time is spent advocating for a server that even the advocates don't play.

To be fair, when you have a mechanic as borked as this archery mechanic, that functionally screws up the entirety of the PVP aspect of the server, its of 0 surprise the server is dead.

[Imago]

Bump.

[Zahovoon]

Bow Quest is Classic I remember it very clearly back in 1999 got worse with the ranger Trueshot disc in Velious or w/e.

[Awsten_Tx]

Bow Quest is Classic I remember it very clearly back in 1999 got worse with the ranger Trueshot disc in Velious or w/e.

Guessing this is the troll in EC?

[Jimjam]

Bow is just very unclassic in many ways, e.g non magic arrows damage mundane immune mobs.

[Salaryman]

Bow Quest is Classic I remember it very clearly back in 1999 got worse with the ranger Trueshot disc in Velious or w/e.

RED99

He was banned for this post, its a sign that bowquest will be fixed.

RED99

[Duik]

A Dahhhhh derrrre um

DEDNyn-e-Nyn

Drivel.

DEDNyn-e-Nyn

[Salaryman]

A Dahhhhh derrrre um

DEDNyn-e-Nyn

Drivel.

DEDNyn-e-Nyn

RED99

My nemisis defeated at last, banned for trolling our beloved forums, but alas I will never be banned.

The forums are safe from his meddling ways, and his forum avatar making facial expressions that would get him kicked out of any real life social situation.

The time of the fats who abuse bugs and stratch their buts is nearing its end, soon the bugs will be fixed and you will tremble before the power of the hail of my arrows.

For I am.

The Shaker of the Earth,
The Darkener of the Skies,
The Caller of the Rain,
The Striker of the Wind.

A new age of glory is upon us.

True PVPers of RED99, prepare yourselves.

RED99

[Imago]

Bumping this

[Duik]

DED99

Waffle faffle twaddle
Alas you'll never be banned cuz you have nothing to say of any substance except

DED99

[chillybob]

does liteninghoof even play red99 anymore, his mascot whimsy vanished it seemed... don't think there's been a guardian robe linked in ooc for 6 months

[Jimjam]

does liteninghoof even play red99 anymore, his mascot whimsy vanished it seemed... don't think there's been a guardian robe linked in ooc for 6 months

I was doing a bat, bug, spider challenge over August, trying to kill one of each every day I could. Never saw him online during those times, even though in the past our play times often overlapped.

[Duik]

That dress he wears is doing more robing and leaa guardianing.

[chillybob]

That dress he wears is doing more robing and leaa guardianing.

real :confused:

[aaezil]

the culture of hatred for red on these forums became en vogue when the pve community was frustrated waiting for velious development. they considered any time or attention on red to come at the expense of velious development so they actively slandered and act rude to the pvp community hoping our server would die and we would leave and would "no longer threaten to delay velious"

their plan worked so well thats still the active forum culture to this day, with newbies regurgitating talking points without even being around for velious development unaware of why the slander campaign was started.

that is why all pvp or red threads are trolled by dozens of angry weirdos

anyways theres your p99 forum history lesson for the day

No its because red always sucked sorry you’re new

[Imago]

Bump

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

Bump again.

Obvious bug is obvious.

Obvious fix? Not so much.

[circlerogue]

Bump again.

Obvious bug is obvious.

Obvious fix? Not so much.

Could Weighted Axe's be removed from Red, or at least make them Race/Class None/None? Although a true fix may be too difficult to implement, getting rid of Weighted Axes would fix most of the issues with BowQuest.

[Imago]

Could Weighted Axe's be removed from Red, or at least make them Race/Class None/None? Although a true fix may be too difficult to implement, getting rid of Weighted Axes would fix most of the issues with BowQuest.

Or at least until a permanent, appropriate fix can be implemented.