95% effective vaccine, what does that mean

[Topgunben]

Not trolling, but curious what 90% effectiveness means for a vaccine that is used to treat a virus with a survival rate of 99.9%

Not trying to be a hater, but how can this possibly be measured with any degree of accuracy when the tests themselves aren't even close to accurate?

[Jibartik]

It means in 5 years people stop having baby's.

[Ripqozko]

it means we will all be cured and pras bidden, savior of covid.

[Jibartik]

Biden single handedly cured the Trump virus haha ouch.

[Bbeta]

it means there is a chance you can still get it but its a lot less of a chance and the odds of you getting super duper sick is even slimmerer. hence 90% effective

[Woke Locc]

It means in 5 years people stop having baby's.

obligatory: https://sliders.fandom.com/wiki/XY_Virus_World

[Jibartik]

obligatory: https://sliders.fandom.com/wiki/XY_Virus_World

Sliders is literally my favorite show of all time holy crap thank you for being a soulmate.

"Imagine a world, where red means go, and green means stop!"

"Wow these guys are coming out swinging! This is nuts!" -8th grade me

[Scratch&Sniff]

https://ahrp.org/former-merck-scientists-sue-merck-alleging-mmr-vaccine-efficacy-fraud/

it means your about to a guinea pig

forced medical treatment is a war crime

http://www.rbs2.com/rrmt.pdf

http://drrimatruthreports.com/forced-vaccination-is-a-crime-against-humanity/

https://www.vaccinationinformationnetwork.com/mandatory-vaccination-violates-world-medical-association-declaration-of-geneva/

[hobart]

Not trolling, but curious what 90% effectiveness means for a vaccine that is used to treat a virus with a survival rate of 99.9%

Not trying to be a hater, but how can this possibly be measured with any degree of accuracy when the tests themselves aren't even close to accurate?

It means you're not an epidemiologist, virologist, or expert on infectious disease.

Seriously, the answers to the questions you've asked have been provided over and over again ever since Trumptards made COVID and wearing masks some insane political issue.

Turn off OAN and read an article in a scientific journal or something...

[douglas1999]

Trust the science, because science always says 1 thing and there is never conflicting science or conflicting scientific conclusions, especially with a virus thats not even a year old that we still barely understand. We do however understand the rate of death relative to the rate of infection and its miniscule and not even remotely close to what was initially projected, yet we are now imposing even more restrictions on people's lives. Sweden didn't lock down at all btw, and there are still swedes. And their economy isn't in the dogshit zone.

We will finally be safe, once we rid ourselves of the incredibly non-lethal virus that is so non-lethal you often can't tell that you even have it. Sacrifices must be made in the meantime, sorry :(

Oh and even the WHO is saying more lockdowns are a bad idea and didn't do much to prevent it spreading. Why don't you just following the science, huh mister??

[imperiouskitten]

vaccines are not 100% effective, none of them are oh god why am i even explaining this shit to you turd

[Topgunben]

It means you're not an epidemiologist, virologist, or expert on infectious disease.

Seriously, the answers to the questions you've asked have been provided over and over again ever since Trumptards made COVID and wearing masks some insane political issue.

Turn off OAN and read an article in a scientific journal or something...

Never claimed I was any of those.

You also failed to answered my question, which means you are nothing but an old pompous windbag.

[imperiouskitten]

i don't believe it, ur not axeing in goodfaith

[imperiouskitten]

no vaxxes are 100% effective, it's just when you vaxx all with 90% efficacy you reduce the transmission rate below the threshold where it reproduces and the thing dies out.

[Topgunben]

Trust the science, because science always says 1 thing and there is never conflicting science or conflicting scientific conclusions, especially with a virus thats not even a year old that we still barely understand. We do however understand the rate of death relative to the rate of infection and its miniscule and not even remotely close to what was initially projected, yet we are now imposing even more restrictions on people's lives. Sweden didn't lock down at all btw, and there are still swedes. And their economy isn't in the dogshit zone.

We will finally be safe, once we rid ourselves of the incredibly non-lethal virus that is so non-lethal you often can't tell that you even have it. Sacrifices must be made in the meantime, sorry :(

Oh and even the WHO is saying more lockdowns are a bad idea and didn't do much to prevent it spreading. Why don't you just following the science, huh mister??

+1.

Doctor Gore predicted the calamities that would befall the earth in the scientific journal of Inconvenient Truths. I am thankful for such accurate science and analysis. Without it I would be utterly lost.

[Woke Locc]

It means 90% of they/thems who are vaccinated won't get the disease subsequently by other means

U trollin tho 🤪

[Trexller]

you'll have to chain me down in order to inject me with the bill gates nanobot genetic engineering "vaccine"

[hobart]

Trust the science, because science always says 1 thing and there is never conflicting science or conflicting scientific conclusions, especially with a virus thats not even a year old that we still barely understand. We do however understand the rate of death relative to the rate of infection and its miniscule and not even remotely close to what was initially projected, yet we are now imposing even more restrictions on people's lives. Sweden didn't lock down at all btw, and there are still swedes. And their economy isn't in the dogshit zone.

We will finally be safe, once we rid ourselves of the incredibly non-lethal virus that is so non-lethal you often can't tell that you even have it. Sacrifices must be made in the meantime, sorry :(

Oh and even the WHO is saying more lockdowns are a bad idea and didn't do much to prevent it spreading. Why don't you just following the science, huh mister??

It's like talking to a wall... All answered.

There's no conflicting science. The vast majority specialists are in agreement. One or two outliers is not a lack of consensus.

And it's not just about how deadly a virus is. It's the cumulative profile of the virus and its potential impact on our healthcare system. Look at what happened in New York -- lethality went up dramatically once the system got overwhelmed and went back down once they got through that wave.

And the economic angle is a straw man. There is huge range between lock it down forever and YOLO. The man who blows his brains out because he loses his house, his savings, or his livelihood over economic impacts from the COVID restrictions is every bit as much a COVID death as the 97 year man with stage 4 lung cancer who contracts COVID and dies.

I deal with this on a daily basis. As we're about to have tenants shut down their restaurants, bars, fitness studios, etc for a second (or third) time, I can't help but wonder if we'd be in this mess if people would just listen to normal scientists, wear a fucking mask, wash their hands, and keep their distance when they can... It's not a big ask.

[douglas1999]

It's like talking to a wall... All answered.

There's no conflicting science. The vast majority specialists are in agreement. One or two outliers is not a lack of consensus.

And it's not just about how deadly a virus is. It's the cumulative profile of the virus and its potential impact on our healthcare system. Look at what happened in New York -- lethality went up dramatically once the system got overwhelmed and went back down once they got through that wave.

And the economic angle is a straw man. There is huge range between lock it down forever and YOLO. The man who blows his brains out because he loses his house, his savings, or his livelihood over economic impacts from the COVID restrictions is every bit as much a COVID death as the 97 year man with stage 4 lung cancer who contracts COVID and dies.

I deal with this on a daily basis. As we're about to have tenants shut down their restaurants, bars, fitness studios, etc for a second (or third) time, I can't help but wonder if we'd be in this mess if people would just listen to normal scientists, wear a fucking mask, wash their hands, and keep their distance when they can... It's not a big ask.

No, you're not talking to a wall, you're giving bad simple answers and expecting people to just unquestioningly accept them.

New york happened very early on, when we barely understood how to treat it. We were still freaking out about ventillators back then, and it turns out ventillators are not an ideal therapy. Almost everyone put on ventillators ended up dying anyway. And we were never even close to running out of them. And the hospitals were never overwhelmed, that navy medical ship didn't even fill like 2% of rooms and the field hospitals were taken down after like a month after barely being used. I agree, the concern was always overwhelming our medical infrastructure, and it never happened.

As for people blowing their brains out counting as a covid death, yes I agree with that. But I have a feeling you're operating under this tautology where any collateral effects mean we need to lock down MORE, and that we aren't doing a good enough job, and everything would be fine. No, people blowing their brains out because they lose everything is a direct result of lockdowns.

And how do you reconcile the notion that almost every expert agrees with this prescription, when as I just pointed out, the WHO themselves are now saying lockdowns barely do any good, most likely do more harm than good, and is advising against continuing them. Initially, they were saying to lock everything down, now they are not.

And I do not have a problem wearing a mask at all, what I have a problem with are these draconian lockdowns destroying economies. It makes much more sense to simply protect and quarantine the vulnerable (the elderly and people with severe diabetes or heart conditions) and allow the healthy and young to go about their lives as normal. This would mitigate the economic impact while protecting the vulnerable. And, once again, even the vulnerable overwhelmingly survive the infection. It's like 94% for people over 80 now, with the therapies we've developed since it began in Februrary.

[Woke Locc]

No, you're not talking to a wall, you're giving bad simple answers and expecting people to just unquestioningly accept them.

New york happened very early on, when we barely understood how to treat it. We were still freaking out about ventillators back then, and it turns out ventillators are not an ideal therapy. Almost everyone put on ventillators ended up dying anyway. And we were never even close to running out of them. And the hospitals were never overwhelmed, that navy medical ship didn't even fill like 2% of rooms and the field hospitals were taken down after like a month after barely being used. I agree, the concern was always overwhelming our medical infrastructure, and it never happened.

As for people blowing their brains out counting as a covid death, yes I agree with that. But I have a feeling you're operating under this tautology where any collateral effects mean we need to lock down MORE, and that we aren't doing a good enough job, and everything would be fine. No, people blowing their brains out because they lose everything is a direct result of lockdowns.

And how do you reconcile the notion that almost every expert agrees with this prescription, when as I just pointed out, the WHO themselves are now saying lockdowns barely do any good, most likely do more harm than good, and is advising against continuing them. Initially, they were saying to lock everything down, now they are not.

And I do not have a problem wearing a mask at all, what I have a problem with are these draconian lockdowns destroying economies. It makes much more sense to simply protect and quarantine the vulnerable (the elderly and people with severe diabetes or heart conditions) and allow the healthy and young to go about their lives as normal. This would mitigate the economic impact while protecting the vulnerable. And, once again, even the vulnerable overwhelmingly survive the infection. It's like 94% for people over 80 now, with the therapies we've developed since it began in Februrary.

Separating people into minorities is how you get people killed, Double Hitler

[Jibartik]

Im about finished with a frontline hour long episode about economic trade with china and it's about how 100% of the things trump did are wrong and 100% of the things Obama did were right.

[Muchew]

And I do not have a problem wearing a mask at all, what I have a problem with are these draconian lockdowns destroying economies. It makes much more sense to simply protect and quarantine the vulnerable (the elderly and people with severe diabetes or heart conditions) and allow the healthy and young to go about their lives as normal. This would mitigate the economic impact while protecting the vulnerable. And, once again, even the vulnerable overwhelmingly survive the infection. It's like 94% for people over 80 now, with the therapies we've developed since it began in Februrary.

I think you're a bit misinformed about how this impacts young people. I'm 32 and previously would run half marathons, rock climb, and play ice hockey. I've been sick for 8 months and have had several moments where I wasn't sure if I would wake up the next morning. I can't walk to the end of the block and back without feeling like my heart is going to explode. While most young people don't die, the vast majority are not "recovered" and need serious medical support.

[Jibartik]

I think you're a bit misinformed about how this impacts young people. I'm 32 and previously would run half marathons, rock climb, and play ice hockey. I've been sick for 8 months and have had several moments where I wasn't sure if I would wake up the next morning. I can't walk to the end of the block and back without feeling like my heart is going to explode. While most young people don't die, the vast majority are not "recovered" and need serious medical support.

can u smoke marajuana tho :(

[FatherSioux]

It means in 5 years people stop having baby's.

The goal of some on the left.

[douglas1999]

I think you're a bit misinformed about how this impacts young people. I'm 32 and previously would run half marathons, rock climb, and play ice hockey. I've been sick for 8 months and have had several moments where I wasn't sure if I would wake up the next morning. I can't walk to the end of the block and back without feeling like my heart is going to explode. While most young people don't die, the vast majority are not "recovered" and need serious medical support.

I'm sorry to hear that, really. If that is infact a result of having had covid, it's definitely relevant data. I have heard a handful of reports about residual effects, but they don't seem very widespread. The vast majority of young people do not seem to have any residual effects. Many young people have likely already been infected, and recovered, and don't even know they ever had it. Where I live, you can only get tested if you're exhibiting symptoms, so there will inevitably be a pool of people who are infected and literally can't get tested even if they wanted to. I don't doubt that it's possible, but again, it's a cost-benefit analysis. Does this justify the current lockdowns, and the economic and social costs that result? I wish people were talking about that more, but it's just so hopelessly politicized in both directions now. The left thinks it's the plague, and the right thinks it's completely benign.

[FatherSioux]

Recently I've come to the realization that what the anti-religion crowd is doing is simply replacing who they worship. They worship Science, they believe rationality is the ultimate state of being. They want to process information the same way an FSM would, this is a foolish tactic. They love to point out the foolishness of Biblical stories, as if the Bible is a simple childrens book. Meanwhile they simply forget that "Science" brought us lobotomies, blood letting and prescribing people cocaine. Science makes mistakes and improves on them, but it is to be certain that most things we are doing today will probably be seen as barbaric in time.

I was one of these people for a long time, I think I have this inherent trait where I need to combat what I'm being told regardless of merit. Being raised Catholic it's no wonder I resisted that as a young buck. These days I'm not trying to reconnect with the religion and peel back the onion of Bible stories. I don't care who you are or what world view you have, The Bible has a very tangible and beneficial lessons to be taught. If you want to view them as Fairy Tales, I think that's quite alright, but you should know that just like Fairy Tales these stories are ripe with value. Dig deep kids. I suggest you start with Adam and Eve, that story is amazing. Adam is a whiny bitch and blames Eve for getting tricked by the damn devil, as if that isn't a completely likely outcome.

Anyways, I passed my drug test(wasn't that scared but I did have an edible three weeks prior to the test) now I'm nervous that there would be some strange circumstance where I would have to retest and so I think I'll wait to have some edibles. I've missed them.

PS: Locked down in MN again...ugh

[imperiouskitten]

I frickin WISH that we had nanomachines we could put in vaccines.

[imperiouskitten]

PS: Locked down in MN again...ugh

shouldnt have let all those somalis in, my democracy man

[Muchew]

I'm sorry to hear that, really. If that is in fact a result of having had covid, it's definitely relevant data. I have heard a handful of reports about residual effects, but they don't seem very widespread. The vast majority of young people do not seem to have any residual effects. Many young people have likely already been infected, and recovered, and don't even know they ever had it. Where I live, you can only get tested if you're exhibiting symptoms, so there will inevitably be a pool of people who are infected and literally can't get tested even if they wanted to. I don't doubt that it's possible, but again, it's a cost-benefit analysis. Does this justify the current lockdowns, and the economic and social costs that result? I wish people were talking about that more, but it's just so hopelessly politicized in both directions now. The left thinks it's the plague, and the right thinks it's completely benign.

Again, I think it is more widespread than you realize. I don't think anyone knows for sure what the numbers are, but there is a study from Italy following up on covid patients at 2 months post onset and only 13% of them were recovered. I've seen numbers anywhere between 10 and 90% are dealing with lingering symptoms.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFXr14xmuGw

What I do know, is I belong to a support group of Covid "Long Haulers" that has over 15,000 members. Most of them are age 30-50. And this is just 1 of many support groups. These people are not getting better. The latest research suggests it is likely the virus persists in certain areas of the body; the immune system isn't able to clear it completely.
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.11.18.388819v1
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.11.03.367391v1


But yeah, I agree it's a difficult situation. I would be more concerned about the economy though if we didn't waste trillions on trying to police the world. When that money could be spent on, I don't know, giving a universal income while we restrict businesses during a pandemic to benefit public health.

[Trexller]

shouldnt have let all those somalis in, my democracy man

+1

[Topgunben]

I think you're a bit misinformed about how this impacts young people. I'm 32 and previously would run half marathons, rock climb, and play ice hockey. I've been sick for 8 months and have had several moments where I wasn't sure if I would wake up the next morning. I can't walk to the end of the block and back without feeling like my heart is going to explode. While most young people don't die, the vast majority are not "recovered" and need serious medical support.

Totally not true. While your experience may be a more severe case, I have several friends that had tested positive for covid and had little to no symptoms.

[Topgunben]

Recently I've come to the realization that what the anti-religion crowd is doing is simply replacing who they worship. They worship Science, they believe rationality is the ultimate state of being. They want to process information the same way an FSM would, this is a foolish tactic. They love to point out the foolishness of Biblical stories, as if the Bible is a simple childrens book. Meanwhile they simply forget that "Science" brought us lobotomies, blood letting and prescribing people cocaine. Science makes mistakes and improves on them, but it is to be certain that most things we are doing today will probably be seen as barbaric in time.

I was one of these people for a long time, I think I have this inherent trait where I need to combat what I'm being told regardless of merit. Being raised Catholic it's no wonder I resisted that as a young buck. These days I'm not trying to reconnect with the religion and peel back the onion of Bible stories. I don't care who you are or what world view you have, The Bible has a very tangible and beneficial lessons to be taught. If you want to view them as Fairy Tales, I think that's quite alright, but you should know that just like Fairy Tales these stories are ripe with value. Dig deep kids. I suggest you start with Adam and Eve, that story is amazing. Adam is a whiny bitch and blames Eve for getting tricked by the damn devil, as if that isn't a completely likely outcome.

Anyways, I passed my drug test(wasn't that scared but I did have an edible three weeks prior to the test) now I'm nervous that there would be some strange circumstance where I would have to retest and so I think I'll wait to have some edibles. I've missed them.

PS: Locked down in MN again...ugh

I honestly wish that the ani religious liberals did worship science. At least then there might be some reason and rationale behind what they do.

[Muchew]

Totally not true. While your experience may be a more severe case, I have several friends that had tested positive for covid and had little to no symptoms.

Knowing some people that were asymptomatic doesn't really show the big picture.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpPnwm9UGrM

[Jibartik]

Recently I've come to the realization that what the anti-religion crowd is doing is simply replacing who they worship. They worship Science, they believe rationality is the ultimate state of being. They want to process information the same way an FSM would, this is a foolish tactic. They love to point out the foolishness of Biblical stories, as if the Bible is a simple childrens book. Meanwhile they simply forget that "Science" brought us lobotomies, blood letting and prescribing people cocaine. Science makes mistakes and improves on them, but it is to be certain that most things we are doing today will probably be seen as barbaric in time.

I was one of these people for a long time, I think I have this inherent trait where I need to combat what I'm being told regardless of merit. Being raised Catholic it's no wonder I resisted that as a young buck. These days I'm not trying to reconnect with the religion and peel back the onion of Bible stories. I don't care who you are or what world view you have, The Bible has a very tangible and beneficial lessons to be taught. If you want to view them as Fairy Tales, I think that's quite alright, but you should know that just like Fairy Tales these stories are ripe with value. Dig deep kids. I suggest you start with Adam and Eve, that story is amazing. Adam is a whiny bitch and blames Eve for getting tricked by the damn devil, as if that isn't a completely likely outcome.

Yeah ive been thinking climate science is a religion for people who have cut religion out of their lives and miss being part of an always right community.

I'm not saying man doesn't have an effect on climate, but I am saying that if you passionately believe in it in any way and also dont go to church, you should take a long look in the mirror and think about how many goal posts have been moved that you once argued were absolutely right.

Politics is quickly becoming a new religion, even evangelicals are creating a hybrid christen version of it.

I think its silly that people who consider themselves very intelligent think that religion is what makes man do bad things and not man.

It's awfully un ashiest to blame god for man's follies. But damned if they dont blame him first.

[Swish]

Anyone who has to get a flu vaccine yearly (docs, nurses, etc) knows that the common strains are different and change.

Why would COVID be any different? One vaccine and you're done? Hell no, that's both not how it works and less profitable.

Big pharma wins again, and who knows what weird side effects might show up in 1% of patients? People with weakened immune systems at the very least will be taking a vaccine yearly with whatever else they've got to take.

[douglas1999]

The (far) left is more and more resembling a secular religion. Admit to your white privilege (original sin). You can never be absolved of it, but we may forgive you if you at least admit to it. If you deny being racist, it merely confirms that you are racist. You must be actively ANTI-racist (agree with my every word or be cast out of the flock). Are you questioning any of our presuppositions? That's okay, we can forgive you, provided you are willing to be re-educated. Do not trespass against any of our ideological precepts, and you too can ascend the ranks.

Diversity is our strength, except by diversity we mean rigid ideological conformity. We want everyone to say the same things, we just want, like, some black guys and latinos or whatever to say them.

[Jibartik]

Athiests: Man created religion!
Atheists: Believe in this instead, because men say so.

[Gwaihir]

Sliders is literally my favorite show of all time holy crap thank you for being a soulmate.

"Imagine a world, where red means go, and green means stop!"

"Wow these guys are coming out swinging! This is nuts!" -8th grade me

remember the episode where penecillin was never invented and everything came in vacuum sealed pouches, and if you so much as coughed the coof-gestapo would haul you away and incinerate your ass, because strep throat was a death sentance?

and then like 2 episodes later Hillary Clinton was the president....

[Gwaihir]

Knowing some people that were asymptomatic doesn't really show the big picture.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpPnwm9UGrM

magical virus defies all standard conventions for virus, conveniently. Shapeshifts and chameleons through the populace as it predates its next victim.

deadliest pandemic the world has ever seen!

[Jibartik]

remember the episode where penecillin was never invented and everything came in vacuum sealed pouches, and if you so much as coughed the coof-gestapo would haul you away and incinerate your ass, because strep throat was a death sentance?

and then like 2 episodes later Hillary Clinton was the president....

I totally remember that episode and there being like a drug store fiasco or something and the government being like super communist or something, but I can't remember the hillary episode but now I have to watch the whole series again.

Another episode I loved was the one where everyone lived and worked in the giant shopping mall. Or the one where they play Football Jeprody haha omg

There's a great episode of The Orville where they go to a space ship that is like earth and everyone is like backwards back in time and it like, is basically a Sliders episode.

[imperiouskitten]

I think you're a bit misinformed about how this impacts young people. I'm 32 and previously would run half marathons, rock climb, and play ice hockey. I've been sick for 8 months and have had several moments where I wasn't sure if I would wake up the next morning. I can't walk to the end of the block and back without feeling like my heart is going to explode. While most young people don't die, the vast majority are not "recovered" and need serious medical support.

Again, I think it is more widespread than you realize. I don't think anyone knows for sure what the numbers are, but there is a study from Italy following up on covid patients at 2 months post onset and only 13% of them were recovered. I've seen numbers anywhere between 10 and 90% are dealing with lingering symptoms.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFXr14xmuGw

What I do know, is I belong to a support group of Covid "Long Haulers" that has over 15,000 members. Most of them are age 30-50. And this is just 1 of many support groups. These people are not getting better. The latest research suggests it is likely the virus persists in certain areas of the body; the immune system isn't able to clear it completely.
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.11.18.388819v1
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.11.03.367391v1


But yeah, I agree it's a difficult situation. I would be more concerned about the economy though if we didn't waste trillions on trying to police the world. When that money could be spent on, I don't know, giving a universal income while we restrict businesses during a pandemic to benefit public health.

This is crazy shit, brother. Serious, very important question: have you received the COVID antibody therapy? Not vax, but antibody. This is the best option I would expect for knocking out resilient virus. Please let me know and more importantly, if you haven't had it, please work on getting it. Just go to the hospital and say "it's called, Regeneron". Looking forward to hearing back; your situation is very interesting.

Standing in solidarity where so many Americans won't.

[FatherSioux]

The (far) left is more and more resembling a secular religion. Admit to your white privilege (original sin). You can never be absolved of it, but we may forgive you if you at least admit to it. If you deny being racist, it merely confirms that you are racist. You must be actively ANTI-racist (agree with my every word or be cast out of the flock). Are you questioning any of our presuppositions? That's okay, we can forgive you, provided you are willing to be re-educated. Do not trespass against any of our ideological precepts, and you too can ascend the ranks.

Diversity is our strength, except by diversity we mean rigid ideological conformity. We want everyone to say the same things, we just want, like, some black guys and latinos or whatever to say them.

Right on.
Follow the Science (https://www.dailywire.com/news/cdc-director-schools-among-safest-places-kids-can-be-closing-schools-an-emotional-response-not-backed-by-data?fbclid=IwAR2CxAYjiyXpX9I0-JYU21eWjCpifxxVxLGy7X6AB_-aWiT0qcXp7CdJ-mM)


PS: You should really have an avatar...it makes it easier for people to keep track of your persona.

[feniin]

What you guys keep labeling as far left is probably closer to center. Democrats and Republicans are pretty far to the right of center. You wouldn't even recognize leftist ideology in America.

[Mead]

More cerebral discussions from my future patients

I love you guys

[Bearsnowls]

I would compare this to a slightly more deadly flu. Sure it probably won't kill you, but most people (myself included) can't afford to be out sick for over a week. I had it and it was awful.

[magnetaress]

⭐️⭐️

[magnetaress]

I think we should just kill people. Less people - less chance to spread virus.

Most people are unnecessary anyway. The Chinese won the #s game of peasants long ago.

Lets speed along the golden path. All of this shit is retarded and you know it.

90% of u should die probably in a very clean merciful and efficient way to make way for the 10% that don't need you

[LazyHydras]

Not trolling, but curious what 90% effectiveness means for a vaccine that is used to treat a virus with a survival rate of 99.9%

Not trying to be a hater, but how can this possibly be measured with any degree of accuracy when the tests themselves aren't even close to accurate?

90% efficacious in a lab setting. How effective they will be in a real world setting is different and it depends on. . . well. . . people actually receiving the vaccine.

[kjs86z]

Gonna sit back and see what happens to the sheep that willingly line up for this largely untested vaccine.

Not anti-vax, just weary of anything rushed in general.

[Topgunben]

Knowing some people that were asymptomatic doesn't really show the big picture.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpPnwm9UGrM

But your singular experience does? My comment was more sarcastic in nature btw.

[Topgunben]

By the way. I think the vaccine is probably a good idea if you are over the age of 70. That age group seems to be the largest at risk.

But for me as a 34 year old, or my kids that are all under 10 years old, no no no.

[magnetaress]

Definitely not for kids under 16 even scary to do it post puberty ish.

Sterility and vaccinations, antibiotics, poisons, go hand in hand my friends.

I'm not antivaxx either, if I was dumb enough to be a first responder or nurse I would get the vaccine just to do my job better and lower the risk for other people, despite the increased risk to myself.

****Note: none of this means I'm a good person that doesn't hate you, I am just pointing out the shit that should make sense.

[FatherSioux]

What you guys keep labeling as far left is probably closer to center. Democrats and Republicans are pretty far to the right of center. You wouldn't even recognize leftist ideology in America.

You should know that you're quite wrong. Nearly all Western societies lean left of center.

Need examples? Sure!

Abortion is widely available in all Western Cultures.
Government assistance is widely available.

[Woke Locc]

You should know that you're quite wrong. Nearly all Western societies lean left of center.

a dozen chattering apes playing tug of war with the overton window, forever

[magnetaress]

If I was _truly_free_, you all would be dead.

[Jibartik]

I'm really into the idea of, hard progressive socialism, because like, progress makes sense, and it still makes some amount of sense to me, but there are 2 things that I've learned in the last X years.

1. In the 1920s (much like those fun 2010 tech boom years) everyone was like "progress will never stop! The stock market will keep going up and up forever and we're going to all be rich from now on all you have to do is invest on margin!" and then reality set in.

I felt the 2010s were very similar, we really thought Facebook was going to change the world for the better, that apps and smart phones would increase our connectivity and our global consciousness and everything will keep growing and progressing forever because all we have to do is invest in tech companies and boot camps!

2. It has become clear to me that everything I thought would happen, would not have happened like startrek, but would end up identical to china. Yes very efficient, but not exactly the startrek I thought we'd be. Because we're not startrekians, were humans, and humans make good things bad.

[FatherSioux]

Yeah ive been thinking climate science is a religion for people who have cut religion out of their lives and miss being part of an always right community.

I'm not saying man doesn't have an effect on climate, but I am saying that if you passionately believe in it in any way and also dont go to church, you should take a long look in the mirror and think about how many goal posts have been moved that you once argued were absolutely right.

Politics is quickly becoming a new religion, even evangelicals are creating a hybrid christen version of it.

I think its silly that people who consider themselves very intelligent think that religion is what makes man do bad things and not man.

It's awfully un ashiest to blame god for man's follies. But damned if they dont blame him first.

This series is very worth the time.

Biblical Series (https://youtu.be/f-wWBGo6a2w)

[Danth]

1. In the 1920s (much like those fun 2010 tech boom years) everyone was like "progress will never stop! The stock market will keep going up and up forever and we're going to all be rich from now on all you have to do is invest on margin!" and then reality set in.

It's worse than that. Those same people who said that stuff--later during the height of the Depression, 1932-33, they were saying things like "If they want jobs let them go find some!" and "Let the okies starve they're worthless anyway!" Go read through thousands of pages of period newspaper on microfilm like I have if you don't believe me. "I've got mine, screw you!" is a mindset as old as humanity. It's still around now, to be sure. We as a species don't really have the instinct to give a crap about much beyond ourselves and immediate family/friends. At least we're better than felids in that sense.

Note that one of the foundations of "Star Trek"- style socialism is the elimination of scarcity of resources thanks to their magical replicators. That's the mcguffin that makes it work, and we don't have that today.

Danth

[Lizard1]

By the way. I think the vaccine is probably a good idea if you are over the age of 70. That age group seems to be the largest at risk.

But for me as a 34 year old, or my kids that are all under 10 years old, no no no.

You are a nice guy , and i hope you dont get the bad strain of covid as i was sick for 4 months. Being sick with covid will be the scariest experience of your life.


As for your initial question, 95% of people who get vaccinated will have an immediate positive response for self made defense to the virus, so if infected they will immediately be ready to fight against it, instead of your body LEARNING to fight it while your symptoms get worse and worse.

Covid19 is a genetically created bacteria, and as a result certain people are either resistant or vulnerable based on their genetics.

Many people contract it and within 72 hours it depletes all the oxygen in their blood and they die. Nothing can stop this.

[magnetaress]

Vaccines zero percent effective against:

Blood Agents
The principal blood agents are hydrogen cyanide (AC; HCN) and cyanogen chloride (CK; NCCl). These agents are Schedule 3 toxic chemicals according to the CWC. Schedule 3A substances have legitimate, large-scale industrial uses; therefore, large stockpiles are likely to be available for repurposing as CWAs.

Cyanide is one of the least toxic of the lethal CWAs. The inhalational LCt50 values for AC and CK have been estimated to be 2,500–5,000 and 11,000 mg min/m3, respectively (Simeonova, 2004). The cyanide ion (CN−) is the toxic moiety, mediated primarily by its great affinity for the heme a3 moiety of cytochrome c-oxidase in mitochondria, a key component in oxidative respiration. This interaction blocks the last stage in the electron transfer chain, resulting in cellular hypoxia and a shift of aerobic to anaerobic cellular respiration, leading to cellular ATP depletion and lactic acidosis. Therefore, tissues with high metabolic demands, such as neurons and cardiac cells, are key targets for toxicity. At lethal doses, death occurs within 6–8 min (Sidell et al., 1997).

Exposure to the blood agents can have two distinct effects on the eye, depending on the route of exposure. The retina and optic nerve are principal symptomatic targets of acute systemic cyanide exposure, with mydriasis commonly occurring at sublethal cyanide exposure and vision failure developing at higher doses. This is due to the metabolic inhibition of highly active neurons secondary to vascular distribution of the CN− ion. The appearance of fixed and dilated pupils is common late in the toxidromic progression, but this is likely to result from the general loss of autonomic neuronal function rather than ocular-specific toxicity (Grant and Schuman, 1993).

Alternatively, topical administration of blood agents to the ocular surface results in local absorption and toxicity, primarily concentrated in anterior ocular tissues such as the conjunctiva and lacrimal glands. Thus, topical exposure to the blood agents elicits mild ocular symptoms, primarily characterized by lacrimation and conjunctival irritation. In animal studies, the administration of sodium cyanide (1.7–5.3 mg/kg/day) to the inferior conjunctival sacs of rabbits resulted in immediate conjunctival irritation and lacrimation (Ballantyne, 1983b). In a separate study, rabbits that were administered 0.9 mg/kg of hydrogen cyanide to the conjunctival sacs were reported to develop general keratitis (Ballantyne, 1983a). These two experiments involved the administration of lethal doses of cyanide in liquid form directly to the conjunctiva, which is likely to lead to the very rapid cytotoxicity of local nerves, blood vessels, and epithelial cells. Exposure to sublethal concentrations of cyanogen chloride vapor similarly caused intense conjunctival irritation, severe blepharospasm, and lacrimation.

Exposure Physiology
The cyanides, formerly known as “blood agents,” consist of hydrogen cyanide (NATO code designation AC, HCN: MW 27.04) and cyanogen chloride (CK, ClCN: MW 61.5). The common metabolic by-product is the toxic CN− anion, which is largely a systemic toxicant. Vapors from these agents are heavier than air and spread across the ground like phosgene and can pose a problem in low-lying, confined areas (Table 36.1). A mild exposure to these agents through the inhalation route can cause headache, loss of consciousness, ataxia, and confusion. Palpitations and respiratory tract irritation with labored breathing (dyspnea) can lead to hyperpnea in some cases. For exposures classified as severe, serious CNS effects may occur. These include coma, seizures, and mydriasis. Dysrhythmias, low blood pressure, and eventual life-threatening cardiac arrest may follow. The occurrence of pulmonary edema followed by respiratory insufficiency can be a late manifestation following a severe inhalation exposure episode. The toxic load of inhaled HCN can be enhanced through its effect on increased minute volume (Purser et al., 1984).

Animal studies have provided evidence of the tissue distribution of inhaled cyanide. These studies have indicated that the target organs are the lung and heart, followed by the brain; all highly perfused. For example, in the rat following an acute inhalation exposure to HCN, the highest concentrations were measured in the blood, brain, heart, and lung with very little in the liver (Ballantyne, 1994). The estimated human inhaled 50% lethal concentration of HCN is 2,500–5,000 mg×min/m3 and for cyanogen chloride, it is approximately 11,000 mg×min/m3. These data indicate that via the inhalation route, the cyanides are less toxic compared to their effects as systemic poisons (McNamara, 1976).

Betting CoVID 19 is a biological warfare form of said poison. And a lot of testing was done on 'dissemination' or effective spread among populations. Blood agents that linger, absolutely fucking hilariously lulz - no more anthropogenic global warming for at least 10 thousand years. The highly lethal strain being held back in leiu of scaring the piss out of the enemy elites and holding them hostage whilst collecting data and avoiding full scale economic collapse, which would have required their own slaves to be put down as they would have become excess without an overseas market.

1976 was when the results of many secret studies started becoming public, think about it for a minute and then go have a cigarrete.

Overall a pretty good beta test and threat to make the UN/NATO powers play ball during a point where they were weakened by political infighting in the US. -- so a low threat of retaliation.

[Llanos]

It means the billionaires haven't had a war in a while and needed to scare people to get control back and line their pockets.

[hobart]

No, you're not talking to a wall, you're giving bad simple answers and expecting people to just unquestioningly accept them.

I'm not giving answers. The answers I'm giving are the answers of experts. Questioning the consensus of experts when you have nothing to offer but your layman's logic and outlier opinions is futile.

The problem with Trumptards is the same as the problem with the Illiberal Left. When facts come into conflict with their worldview they go shopping for new facts. Two ends of the same horseshoe.

[douglas1999]

I'm not giving answers. The answers I'm giving are the answers of experts. Questioning the consensus of experts when you have nothing to offer but your layman's logic and outlier opinions is futile.

The problem with Trumptards is the same as the problem with the Illiberal Left. When facts come into conflict with their worldview they go shopping for new facts. Two ends of the same horseshoe.

What are you talking about? I literally said that the world health organization is now saying that lockdowns do more harm than good and do not prevent the virus spreading in any substantial way. The world health organization, presumably, has experts within whatever body deploys it's messaging.

Please do use the word trumptards again, it's super funny every time you say it, and it really bolsters your credibility.

[Lizard1]

Nothing prevents spreading of the virus because you cant contain it with the population we have on earth, everyone is dumb

[Ripqozko]

God bless bill gates nano bots , gonna save us all.

[Topgunben]

Nothing prevents spreading of the virus because you cant contain it with the population we have on earth, everyone is dumb

To me, covid seems like climate change. No matter how hard we try, it’s impossible to stop it from growing/spreading. There is a level of arrogance garnering around those that think they can grind them to a halt.

It is quite possibly a way God is reminding his children to stay humble and realize we don’t have all the control we think we have.

[Lizard1]

Well we can slow climate change with Electric vehicles / rigs but we need to get our emissions down, look at california.

Most people dont know why wildfires are a huge issue, its because agriculture has depleted most of the wells and the soil is now dry so tinder like conditions every year are the new normal.

No one wants to grow anything. ( Planting a garden is an amazing and healthy way to enjoy the outdoors and grow clean healthy stuff )