Druid VS Shaman in Vanilla

[Gustoo]

We had the ultimate Druid V Shaman thread, it was a good discussion.

So how about with a level 50 cap in classic era? Ogre walks out of the swamp into the South Ro desert and there is a druid out there. How does it go down?

[magnetaress]

With cheetah up the druid runs away lol.

I think with a good manapool, spec in evok, they could interupt and nuke the ogre before the ogre could heal itself fast enough. That ogre would be really scary though.

[DRAGONBAIT]

first thing off, druid starts pumicing the hell out of the just zoned-in shaman. Were there pumices in classic ? i started in kunark era xd never ever played in classic only : (

PD: rogean plz new server starting in classic era thanks

[Knuckle]

It's 100% a skill matchup, who dispels/cures better, in a nuke fest the shaman should be fine with bash interrupt giving him time to channel heals. If shaman has pet even more so gg. If druid has charmed pet maybe favored(unless dispelled and aggroes) in south ro the pet pickings are pretty weak though so just a nice distracting maybe pull wolf aggroes for a minute.

Overall though, if the shaman can land ebolt and bash cures, the kill pressure favors shaman as their dots are more powerful.

But I would reiterate you could have a druid vs shaman duel go 20 different ways depending on intelligent mana conservation. A druid casting nukes that cant instantly end the fight is going to be forced to run or die.

source: have had far too many druids attack me outdoors as a shaman for about 4 years.

[Tune]

The more offensive person is probably going to lose the battle

With that being said if both people turtle up. The shaman has a big advantage. Cani, sowed pet, slam. They will win the mana battle.

If the druid has any kind of mr gear or brains he can always just run away so 90% this is going to be a cats game

[BiG SiP]

depends on the level of unemployment

[White_knight]

Depends on who stays in the game longer. Both have gate, heals, cures.

Would depend on setup too...does shaman have pet up?

Ogre "could" slam a druids cure/heals casts to get extra damage in.

Both have sow to so ranging nukes/dots etc is a thing too.

I would give a slight advantage to Ogre shaman IF they had pet up, and has their HP/regen spells UP and protected.

Realistically this would be a grind down till someone felt uncomfortable so they gate.

[magnetaress]

South ro is an advantage to druid as well because they can gate back to s ro after using a manastone or something. Meaning druid can constantly apply a dot, run away and come back.

I thought thread was about getting a YT.

@ 50 druid has a fair chance of landing stuns on a walmart shaman and shaman has to stand nexto druid to bash.

Pets easily feared. Or just ignored.

Snakeskin jerkins and split paw hide stuff is cheeep and can be bagged in a ee bag and held for that one time u really hate that shaman, and none of that can be pelled away by shm.

guess it depends on how bad the druid hates u and how prepared they are to go @ u and what the shamans situation is.

Is shaman wearing as ton of hp+ gear? if so they don't have as much mr or mana... is shm good at canidancing? idk...

Really aggressive druids can be very dangerous if they get a 1st strike and choose the playing field, time. Don't underestimate a conjuration windy nuke spell in classic interupting pells cures and heals. It sucks to be on the defensive with half ur hp instantly gone. Then druid can just wait till u start casting. two of those are on different refresh timers...

Think druid can even charm the shamans pet onto shaman lol.

As a long time druid player, 2v1 shamans has always been pretty easy as a druid and some other class. They are far from invulerable. So I may just be looking at this with rosy tinted glasses tho. I try not to 1v1 ppl unless i feel like losing because I actually suck at pvp.

----------kunark changes the game a lot and makes turtling more viable

In Vanilla, turtling can get u killed easily because the other guy can someitmes kill you 3x over.

With RZ item loot this gets even funner! Because now cheep gear like snakeskin and splitpaw is clearly awesome as it can easily be replaced and gives a very clear advantage.

(this is why we need a vanilla RZ item loot server) bring back fast paced, decisive victories, let the nuke classes rule. Tis the best style of pvp. Wars decked in rubicite and mr trinkets should be like the lambo u bring out to settle a bet after 1 month of hardcore farmin on ur druids.

[magnetaress]

Druid bound in oasis would be a fun fight in s ro... has two points of entry, gotta guess which one it is... - also in modern times can zone real fast )

on a fresh classic, vanilla box, druids could dominate that zone for awhile, could even bring the innothule zone line into play leading the enemy there, having good swim speed and disapearing into the swamp in order to get back and hold s ro at the zl... fast --- pegi cloak --- maybe even XD

making the other guy plug out of s ro permanently/over and over is a win

every 15 mins u gotta turtle and try to survive, druid gates. LOL

[Kokkusho]

depends on the level of unemployment

[DRAGONBAIT]

IF shaman dont have pet out, druid can try to use pumices from range and keep kittin the shaman, then he can start working out, slottin a dot and then tossin a rain when shaman stops to dispell. Also, rangeing all u can, 4.5 seconds DD after u dispelled his resist buffs may work, ebolt is a 6s cast so u can cast and kite not eating the ebolt.
As a shaman i found that ebolt works perfectly if u can land it, but posion rain aoe also destroyed people. Druids are cute tho

[magnetaress]

Ya'll make ebolt sound very attractive, but it is a slow cast.

[JayDee]

These imaginary pvp battles are dope

[DRAGONBAIT]

These imaginary pvp battles are dope


yeah except that everything i related there already happened in game. been there, done it.

[Gustoo]

I think JayDee might have been serious.

Because I'm serious. I'm not in a good spot to play the game and I really appreciate the play by play of an imaginary PVP battle and I appreciate you sharing the pro tips, and even people's experience getting wasted is revealing.

Question: Does self disease cloud break enchanter mez?

Thanks.

[Gustoo]

I'm bringing this back.

At level 50 it looks like both the cast times on these guys spells are kinda bad. But blizzard blast is faster than druid DD's and both classes dots are pretty slow.

Maybe I'm missing something. I think whoever does the opening attack is going to have a huge advantage and if shaman has a pet, the time it takes the druid to root or snare that pet or maybe charm it is going to be substantial and he will take another DD to the face or even a dot possibly.

Seems like a hard fight.

[magnetaress]

I want to say shaman has that slight advantage but a suprise atking druid with evok specialized could literally kill the shaman faster than the shaman can heal (just out dpsing heals). If both just stand there and go for it all in. That's why when I played a druid I went in nuking hard even though it wasn't the right way to do things.

That leaves the druid either dying from dots or at like 15-25% hp and maybe pelling/curing/healing themselves with a remaining 10% mana?

If the shaman runs away. The druid will just also run away, cure, pell, heal, and med. The shaman has to keep pressure on the druid to win. If the shaman can cannidance and find the druid before the druid gets enough escape mana and the druid wont leave the zone its lights out for the druid.

This would play out really interesting in a large zone like oot were the druid can bind on a far away island and just keep coming back and dropping rains on the shaman, while the shaman is kinda stuck in one spot.

Wonder if theres a decent charmable animal in OOT?

[Gustoo]

I remember shamans being so high threat on live, but that was back when people didn't know about top slotting and stuff and well, they were strong.

[magnetaress]

I remember shamans being so high threat on live, but that was back when people didn't know about top slotting and stuff and well, they were strong.

I think if you are afraid of losing to a druid in pvp playing a shaman is a good bet.

I think if I wanted to kill shamans. I would play a necromancer or wizard or something. Maybe.

I think if I was afraid of losing to a shaman, I would play a cleric, or another shaman, or like maybe a wizard. Or pally. Or bard (just run away).

In vanilla, come velious all my feelings go out the window because I quit last time right when the box hit velious. And I had a 50+ druid on my accounts.

[Gustoo]

I just want to hear more shaman strats because I've got like 10 total hours play time on a shaman in all my EQ career. Even the spell symbols throw me off. Its a good feeling "whats this do!"

Poor shamans definitely have too many buffs though.

[magnetaress]

I just want to hear more shaman strats because I've got like 10 total hours play time on a shaman in all my EQ career. Even the spell symbols throw me off. Its a good feeling "whats this do!"

Poor shamans definitely have too many buffs though.

True, same, only lvl 24 on shm once, every shaman I ever grouped with said they were godlike in pvp tho.

[Gustoo]

Man I am doing real work that I get paid for and my BS work screen just got bumped out of the way and I saw you talking about "level 24 shaman..blablabla...godlike in pvp tho" and I was so pumped to be in upper guk as a fucking ugly ogre shitting on people invading my homeland killing my frog pals that I would be max ally with cuz I only kill dead frogs and for PVP hax.

Good stuff.

[magnetaress]

Man I am doing real work that I get paid for and my BS work screen just got bumped out of the way and I saw you talking about "level 24 shaman..blablabla...godlike in pvp tho" and I was so pumped to be in upper guk as a fucking ugly ogre shitting on people invading my homeland killing my frog pals that I would be max ally with cuz I only kill dead frogs and for PVP hax.

Good stuff.

:D

Some day. Thanks for chatting about pvp stuff.

Would love to see more shaman talks on this topic myself.

[Tassador]

The better player always wins or gates. The loser or player who dies sucks shit hole at this game.

Fuck classes it’s about getting the kill in without dying or you suck at the game.

[Gustoo]

What is your favorite class Tassador?

[Jibartik]

druid because shaman will spend the entire fight trying to land a malo and not ever once land it.

[magnetaress]

What classes can realistically defeat a shaman. I know a druid can even if they get a handicap.

Wizards?
Paladins?

[Jimjam]

As with all pvp the winner is the one that successfully disengages and moves to a more worthwhile target.

[Bozer Dispozer]

What classes can realistically defeat a shaman. I know a druid can even if they get a handicap.

Wizards?
Paladins?

The only classes that ever killed my shaman (on Rallos and here) was a wiz, sk, and once another shaman. Necros are scary but if you are prepared you can nullify their entire offense. Bards can be the ultimate challenge but you can escape any time you want.

Druids have a chance if you are afk... I have no idea how people think a druid gets anything other than curbstomped between 2 skilled players. Druid aint landing shit on me in a range kiting scenario. Which is how is often plays out. Pumice them down. Play defensive. Eventually they see the writing on the wall and gate. Slam ftw. Druids are prey for a shaman.

[Jimjam]

The better player always wins or gates. The loser or player who dies sucks shit hole at this game.

Fuck classes it’s about getting the kill in without dying or you suck at the game.

Obviously you know your stuff, but are you sure the better player always gates?

Where is the goal in PVP? KDR? Maybe?

I know i previously said victory can be in moving away and moving on. However, if you’re fighting over rights to a camp, farm, honour, reputation, etc, running away doesn’t seem like much of a victory.

The only classes that ever killed my shaman (on Rallos and here) was a wiz, sk, and once another shaman. Necros are scary but if you are prepared you can nullify their entire offense. Bards can be the ultimate challenge but you can escape any time you want.

Druids have a chance if you are afk... I have no idea how people think a druid gets anything other than curbstomped between 2 skilled players. Druid aint landing shit on me in a range kiting scenario. Which is how is often plays out. Pumice them down. Play defensive. Eventually they see the writing on the wall and gate. Slam ftw. Druids are prey for a shaman.

Bears hunt lone wolves?

[Zipity]

Bard is god of classic PvP, they can literally kill any class no problems until rangers get sky bow, if you try to gate I’m just going to mez your ass.