Starting stats for Iksar Warrior

[f2pelerin1182]

I'm going to roll an Iksar Warrior once Kunark launches and I'm wondering where I should spend the bonus starting stats.

I don't intend to raid with this character, if that makes a difference.

My initial feeling is to go all 25 points in either Stam or Dex, but I'm not sure which and would like some other opinions.

Thanks.

[hannahgrams]

if i wasn't raiding i'd go dex on warr for more procs for threat management in parties

but that's just me

[Baler]

Dex or Cha is the min-max for warriors.
If you plan to get BiS all over, go Cha
If you plan to get a couple raid pieces, go Dex (based on OP you fit here)

Don't go all STA on a warrior, the gear you'll get in kunark and especially velious will have STA
Warrior is a very gear dependent class.

[f2pelerin1182]

if i wasn't raiding i'd go dex on warr for more procs for threat management in parties

but that's just me

Yea that's what I was thinking too.

Dex or Cha is the min-max for warriors.
If you plan to get BiS all over, go Cha
If you plan to get a couple raid pieces, go Dex (based on OP you fit here)

Don't go all STA on a warrior, the gear you'll get in kunark and especially velious will have STA
Warrior is a very gear dependent class.

Yea that's a big part of why I like the class, I have a 50 Human Warrior on Green and leveling was heaps of fun - so I'm gonna do it again on Kunark with an Iksar.

It sounds like Dex is the way to go, I'm glad I decided to ask.

Thanks to you both.

[DoodyLich666]

I too am interested in an iksar warrior, but I have one major hang up that I have been thinking about. Is this, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fFsvESLXqCE, really how they swing a sword???

[Doujou]

There's a simple fix to the bugged animations:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=262117

[DoodyLich666]

Nice! Thank you!

[Crede]

Iksar 2hs animation still sucks after the fix. Best bet is to stick with 1hnders

[DoodyLich666]

Yeah, that way I guess I could better utilize the dex which people have suggested to take at the start, and I can still look cool.
Is it worth trying to gear for dex as a lowbie warrior?

[Snaggles]

If you don’t plan on raiding STA won’t be easy to cap. Even if you are almost stam capped walking around pre-sham buff that’s literally more hitpoints. I’ve frequently hit the zone line with less than 100hps and rarely have a raid team with me to make sure I’m capped. It’s more zerk range when solo. My gnome warrior went full STA and with droppable kunark (ac/hp geared) stuff he was in the mid 100’s.

Dex is nice to pick up when possible. It’s super easy to cap with buffs (can stack w/focus if casting before). If left to a better dice roll of a proc or more hps I’ll go with a the red bar every time.

I started off p99 casually. Still pretty casual. Kicking myself a bit for not optimizing stats for end game but in the end 120hps either way won’t make or break a group or raid tank. If you raid enough and get the best free gear stam or dex won’t be an issue anyways.

[Grenvann]

A couple of things I'd like to ask those who had played warriors to 60 and maybe even end game. Will the Bonus AC and Regen make a significant difference versus Regen and Slam?

I have a level 34 Iksar Warrior on the Blue Server. I'm considering on rerolling to a Troll warrior mostly because Slam, Plate Gear, and most Warrior clickies aren't available to my Iksar as of now or even later.

I recently returned to p99 after a long hiatus and noticed Blue server isn't popping like it used to be. If I were to reroll, what server will I more likely be able to group level my Warrior?

[Snaggles]

A couple of things I'd like to ask those who had played warriors to 60 and maybe even end game. Will the Bonus AC and Regen make a significant difference versus Regen and Slam?

I have a level 34 Iksar Warrior on the Blue Server. I'm considering on rerolling to a Troll warrior mostly because Slam, Plate Gear, and most Warrior clickies aren't available to my Iksar as of now or even later.

I recently returned to p99 after a long hiatus and noticed Blue server isn't popping like it used to be. If I were to reroll, what server will I more likely be able to group level my Warrior?

Can't speak to ac bonus at 60. I hear for a monk it's like 12 ac; nothing huge either way in the realm of raid gear or even thurg stuff.

At 60, regen is helpful if farming greens and that's about it. For SK's it's nice since FD regen is a horrible way to get health back.

Your kick at 55 can stun like slam can. No loss there. Basically giving up clickies from Cobalt Armor (but also not needing to get a cobalt bracer for a ton of plat).

IMHO, if you are going to reroll go gnome. Goggle helm and 40% spell haste arms. As a racial perk on blue you cannot beat those by a longshot. The xp penalty with trolls, iksars, and ogres is the most noticable thing. Really just play what you like the look of; your class is defined by your disciplines and gear optimization.

[Grenvann]

Your kick at 55 can stun like slam can.

IMHO, if you are going to reroll go gnome. Goggle helm and 40% spell haste arms. As a racial perk on blue you cannot beat those by a longshot. The xp penalty with trolls, iksars, and ogres is the most noticable thing. Really just play what you like the look of; your class is defined by your disciplines and gear optimization.

Did not know Kick eventually becomes what Slam is now. I guess the benefit of picking a large race allows you to tap into that power much earlier than small races. Does Slam and Kick push and/or interrupts spell caster mobs that use Complete Heal and Gate?

Gnome Warrior sounds very nice, although it involves a lot of plat to raise the skill necessary enough to make https://wiki.project1999.com/Clockwork_Watchman_Vambraces . I will admit, the goodies that Tinkering produces is very enticing.

Last but not least, which server is more active? Blue and Green? Thanks again for insight!

[demokatt]

[QUOTE=Grenvann;3206878]Did not know Kick eventually becomes what Slam is now. I guess the benefit of picking a large race allows you to tap into that power much earlier than small races. Does Slam and Kick push and/or interrupts spell caster mobs that use Complete Heal and Gate?

Gnome Warrior sounds very nice, although it involves a lot of plat to raise the skill necessary enough to make https://wiki.project1999.com/Clockwork_Watchman_Vambraces . I will admit, the goodies that Tinkering produces is very enticing.

Last but not least, which server is more active? Blue and Green? Thanks again for insight![/QUOTE

You dont have to tinker it yourself, I bought mine for 2k

[Soothsayer]

Max stamina if you want to min-max, period. Dexterity is easy to cap due to buffs and charisma is literally nonsense. Contrary to what someone implied in this thread, stamina is *not* easy to cap through gear / buffs, especially in Kunark and ESPECIALLY as an Iksar.

Jesus, people. Charisma???

[reznor_]

Cha ultimate neck beard min max for divine intervention proc chance. Hype hype hype

One option for starting stats, look into gear you think is attainable for you in velious. You wanna get to 205 sta. Iksar is baller, I would have made one if I didn’t like dark elves so much. Dex is pretty easy to cap with gear and shaman buffs, I’d just do a little homework to see where you can get to.

[Snaggles]

Besides moments of not having a stam buff handy another consideration is your gear kit is fairly fluid. Sure a raid MT will be running great tank gear and buffed; no problem. Also anyone with BiS gear. For the rest of the people depending on your weapons or resist gear it’s not likely a 24/7 scenario. Some of the best warrior aggro weapons have no hps or stamina at all, a reaver has none, etc.

[kjs86z]

Max dex

[Loadsamoney]

As I understand it, every Warrior that is not an Ogre should dump all points into Sta, while Ogres should dump into Dex.

[Nagoya]

I don't intend to raid with this character, if that makes a difference.

that does make a huge difference that all previous posters have conveniently chosen to ignore.

you will never cap any of your attributes and you will never have a lvl 60 pocket shaman at your command.

So forget about what is easy to max or not. Everything is easy in EQ, it just takes a lot of time and commitment.

Casual non-raiding Green Iksar Warrior I would do +25 STR.
People on these forums have really lost the notion of "casual" lol.
My warrior alt has maybe more than 100,000pp(?) worth of equipment on her and that adds to a big whopping +69 STR (http://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Blue:Nausicaa).
I am not aiming for STR, and I did +25 DEX at creation, but this is because I am a filthy twink on Blue, not a SSF hopeful on Green...

Charisma lol....

[Snaggles]

Here is my EC geared warrior alt (pre-retired). I went full stamina and was constantly on the verge of being overweight. Again, no raiding gear. Besides the fungi and a few velious items it’s attainable for a casual. Without the cobalt items and a stat BP the iksar might even be more well rounded.

https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Blue:Gnombot

In the end str is more functional. You can carry crap to sell which is great for a new main character. Having more plat is very beneficial for an expensive class to gear. Stam on the other hand directly equates to your tanking job and the aggro between the same builds is the same so really it’s hps (sta) vs attack (str). 120hps at 60 might not seem like much but it might be the difference between a 3k tank and a 2.88k tank. Another type of annoyance.

Much of the warrior life, especially for a casual, is compromise. Just pick your poison. I know either way you will be able to accomplish the job at hand even if situationally griping over hindsight starting points. Kunark is fresh but ykesha weapons (SSoY and The 9/24 1hb) are attainable. They will give you all the aggro you need until better stuff is possible.

[Baler]

https://wiki.project1999.com/Blood_Point
all dex, i'm just sayin..

[N0tClassic]

All STR

[Loadsamoney]

Here is my EC geared warrior alt (pre-retired). I went full stamina and was constantly on the verge of being overweight. Again, no raiding gear. Besides the fungi and a few velious items it’s attainable for a casual. Without the cobalt items and a stat BP the iksar might even be more well rounded.

https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Blue:Gnombot

In the end str is more functional. You can carry crap to sell which is great for a new main character. Having more plat is very beneficial for an expensive class to gear. Stam on the other hand directly equates to your tanking job and the aggro between the same builds is the same so really it’s hps (sta) vs attack (str). 120hps at 60 might not seem like much but it might be the difference between a 3k tank and a 2.88k tank. Another type of annoyance.

Much of the warrior life, especially for a casual, is compromise. Just pick your poison. I know either way you will be able to accomplish the job at hand even if situationally griping over hindsight starting points. Kunark is fresh but ykesha weapons (SSoY and The 9/24 1hb) are attainable. They will give you all the aggro you need until better stuff is possible.

I thought Warrior was one of the least gear-dependent melees. Cloth armor and rusty weapons (eventually swapping for banded and fine steel) should be all you need until well into yours 30s.

[Baler]

I thought Warrior was one of the least gear-dependent melees. Cloth armor and rusty weapons (eventually swapping for banded and fine steel) should be all you need until well into yours 30s.

Do you only post to troll people?

[Loadsamoney]

Do you only post to troll people?

Okay, so I guess a fresh, unfunded character in vanilla was never a thing?

[kaev]

Did not know Kick eventually becomes what Slam is now. I guess the benefit of picking a large race allows you to tap into that power much earlier than small races. Does Slam and Kick push and/or interrupts spell caster mobs that use Complete Heal and Gate?

Gnome Warrior sounds very nice, although it involves a lot of plat to raise the skill necessary enough to make https://wiki.project1999.com/Clockwork_Watchman_Vambraces . I will admit, the goodies that Tinkering produces is very enticing.

Last but not least, which server is more active? Blue and Green? Thanks again for insight!

It is not difficult, when dual wielding, to swap a shield in for Bash as it refreshes. It's not as convenient as just pushing the button to slam with a large race, and it costs a tiny bit of threat & damage output, but you only need to do it to interrupt a caster or make a runner pause and can kick otherwise.

The only time swapping is difficult is when you're in a shit group that's jerking agro all over the place. In that case, why are you trying to stop that fool from eating a nuke? Hell, why are you wasting your time grouping with these geniuses in the first place?

[Snaggles]

I thought Warrior was one of the least gear-dependent melees. Cloth armor and rusty weapons (eventually swapping for banded and fine steel) should be all you need until well into yours 30s.

You might start a new thread as it’s a fairly complicated subject (while appearing not to be). In short, for aggro and survival a warrior is reliant on gear and clickies. A knight is reliant on a few spells they buy at a vendor.

So yes, a warrior has to plan their gear more carefully than someone who can just click two spells every time they come off cooldown. Not saying a knight can be a scrub, just saying a scrub knight can generate almost as much hate as one with BiS gear.

[Soothsayer]

You might start a new thread as it’s a fairly complicated subject (while appearing not to be). In short, for aggro and survival a warrior is reliant on gear and clickies. A knight is reliant on a few spells they buy at a vendor.

So yes, a warrior has to plan their gear more carefully than someone who can just click two spells every time they come off cooldown. Not saying a knight can be a scrub, just saying a scrub knight can generate almost as much hate as one with BiS gear.

The asinine class design of old EQ gives me an aneurysm. What the actual f*ck were they thinking? A level 9 DoT that does 1 damage per tick is more aggro than a hit from an oggok cleaver. Warriors suffer horribly from the game's crude aggro mechanics.

[Snaggles]

The asinine class design of old EQ gives me an aneurysm. What the actual f*ck were they thinking? A level 9 DoT that does 1 damage per tick is more aggro than a hit from an oggok cleaver. Warriors suffer horribly from the game's crude aggro mechanics.

It's fairly balanced in the end though. The tank with the best offensive and defensive caps, more hps/stam per piece and per level, and defensive disciplines takes a bit of time to get to work. Or they burn clickies and speed past that. What's the alternative? Fixing warrior aggro? Giving knights a defensive disc?

I'm sure that's what Blizzard would do, make every class basically the same thing. EQ was semi-broken at all times. Huge pros and cons to whichever direction you went (that you discovered about 300 hours into gameplay). We are just all a bit more impatient these days with the imperfections.

[Danth]

Huge pros and cons to whichever direction you went (that you discovered about 300 hours into gameplay). We are just all a bit more impatient these days with the imperfections.

I chuckle a bit at myself in the sense that I detested EQ's class balance back in-era. It caused numerous forum arguments/rants/etc and caused me to un-subscribe more than once. On P99 class balance doesn't bother me at all because I know what I'm getting going into it. There's no uncertainty here. Everything is laid out in advance and I'm free to make my choice without ever feeling cheated. As you say, EQ has its own sort of balance where about any class has some things it's good at and other things it's not so good at. None of the tank classes in this game are "full service." They're at their best in different areas of the game and all have their own weaknesses. I wouldn't necessarily call EQ's approach better than the more modern notion of having classes that perform similarly within their respective roles, but knowing in advance how things work on P99 I can accept EQ's system for what it is without complaint. Sometimes having the benefit of hindsight is a real nice bonus.

Danth

[Grumph]

Here’s the number one issue I didn’t see addressed.
Do you plan on soloing with your warrior at all?

Ie... do you plan on playing it when you want to? Or just logging in and lfg for a few minutes before swapping back to you dial a port main or whatever.

Bc if your going to solo. You need that truncheon to proc. Also those blood points. Probably want some of those to proc as well. Heck, maybe even need a snare proc. Seriously. Might need that.

If any of that is a consideration. Then put points into dex.

[Keebz]

+10 STR +15 STA for casual fun imho. Could move the 5 from STA into DEX or STR if you're so inclined.

Reasoning: A little STR will help with all the crap you have carry. STA for hit points. Mostly ignoring DEX, because it's reasonably high as an iksar.

[Snaggles]

Here’s the number one issue I didn’t see addressed.
Do you plan on soloing with your warrior at all?

Ie... do you plan on playing it when you want to? Or just logging in and lfg for a few minutes before swapping back to you dial a port main or whatever.

Bc if your going to solo. You need that truncheon to proc. Also those blood points. Probably want some of those to proc as well. Heck, maybe even need a snare proc. Seriously. Might need that.

If any of that is a consideration. Then put points into dex.

I at least ignored that since this was in anticipation of green launching. Unless the OP has been socking manastones there will be no ToD, bloodpoints, or fungi. The last of which will make the 1-50 solo trivially easy.

If you want to solo a warrior roll a gnome on blue. 40% spell haste arms are a massive advantages and cost practically nothing compared to the gear above (about one BP).

[jadier]

I at least ignored that since this was in anticipation of green launching. Unless the OP has been socking manastones there will be no ToD, bloodpoints, or fungi. The last of which will make the 1-50 solo trivially easy.

If you want to solo a warrior roll a gnome on blue. 40% spell haste arms are a massive advantages and cost practically nothing compared to the gear above (about one BP).

Grumph didn't mention a Fungi, and dex would do nothing for one. So not 100% sure where that's coming from.

Bloodpoints are 8k a piece on Green *right now* and that price will likely fall abit more. ToD is a crazy expensive 50k on Green, that will fall, but even if it doesn't fall *much* (and it should), the camp isn't that bad. That is, a warrior in a decent guild has a shot at getting there and looting one.

All of which is to say, 16k 2xBlood + 50k ToD + 100k fungi != 200k or whatever for a manastone. Especially if the 16k & 50k come down or get looted (as a ToD is reasonable), and the 100k is ignored (can solo fine as an Iksar without Fungi. Hell, Iksar + Cere Ikky BP are about equal to other races + Fungi).

[Malykor]

I'm currently playing an Iksar Warrior (currently 28) and haven't joined a group yet. With me wearing Ikky BP, FBSS, and dual wielding Wurmys, I solo yellows with ease......and that's at level 28! I'll keep you updated as I level. I'm curious how far I can go without the support of a group.

EDIT: The only problem that I could run into.... is joining a group and keeping aggro.

[Snaggles]

Grumph didn't mention a Fungi, and dex would do nothing for one. So not 100% sure where that's coming from.

Bloodpoints are 8k a piece on Green *right now* and that price will likely fall abit more. ToD is a crazy expensive 50k on Green, that will fall, but even if it doesn't fall *much* (and it should), the camp isn't that bad. That is, a warrior in a decent guild has a shot at getting there and looting one.

All of which is to say, 16k 2xBlood + 50k ToD + 100k fungi != 200k or whatever for a manastone. Especially if the 16k & 50k come down or get looted (as a ToD is reasonable), and the 100k is ignored (can solo fine as an Iksar without Fungi. Hell, Iksar + Cere Ikky BP are about equal to other races + Fungi).

I mentioned the fungi because a solo warrior without decent hp regen and stacks of bandages is a sadists journey; it’s doable but pretty horrible relative to any other solo class. I assumed the OP was working with a lower budget hence disagreeing with the toolkit suggested being attainable. Camping a ToD is still pretty tough; 50k items are that price because they are very rare. I never said dex would help a fungi nor even recommended it as a stat build so likewise 100% don’t know where that came from.

As for the iksar innate regen and an iksar bp being similar to a fungi that isn’t true. Trolls and Iksars from 51-56 have 6hp standing regen (so 11 with a Iksar bp), 10 standing 56-59 (15 with iksar bp), and 12 standing at 60 (17 with iksar bp). Even at 60 when grinding isn’t needed and racial regen is cooking along nicely a fungi would be a 38% improvement (or almost double from 56-59).

The OP should play a warrior and have fun. If that means loading up Netflix and soloing so be it. With the best tools it’s still a steep hill though past 50.

[Gustoo]

I'm currently playing an Iksar Warrior (currently 28) and haven't joined a group yet. With me wearing Ikky BP, FBSS, and dual wielding Wurmys, I solo yellows with ease......and that's at level 28! I'll keep you updated as I level. I'm curious how far I can go without the support of a group.

EDIT: The only problem that I could run into.... is joining a group and keeping aggro.

The problem you're gunna run into is when wurmys stop being secondary usable.

For now, slaughter house.