Enchanter cha impact on charming, worth going from 252-255?

[tranceminus]

Hey all, so I remember reading somewhere on the forums a while back that the bottom line effect of charisma is that every 10 points gives you effectively -1 MR on your resist checks and charm breaks.

If this is true, and assuming that you aren't able to get partial points off MR (-0.3 MR for 3 points of cha for example) then does that mean that there is no effective difference between 252 cha and 255 cha? Or, for that matter, between 250 cha and 255 cha?

[Sacer]

No one knows, but what I can safely say is that you won't be able to notice a difference, it might be there but it's so small it's negligeable.

[Gwaihir]

Hey all, so I remember reading somewhere on the forums a while back that the bottom line effect of charisma is that every 10 points gives you effectively -1 MR on your resist checks and charm breaks.

If this is true, and assuming that you aren't able to get partial points off MR (-0.3 MR for 3 points of cha for example) then does that mean that there is no effective difference between 252 cha and 255 cha? Or, for that matter, between 250 cha and 255 cha?

Early live tests indicated cha in 10 stat intervals reduced charmbreak chance by 1% on the charisma check, with diminishing returns after 200 capping at -23% at 255.

Whether there's a difference between 250 and 255 is indiscernible.

Mind you, the -MR check and the level-check are hardcoded at a fixed rate and are constant, but the end result is A x B x.77C is AB x .77C regardless at cap and ungeared are generally around 100 cha so the 100 to 200 span decreases charm breaks by roughly 10% and the remaining 50+ stats are for and additional 3% decrease.

You're over 250 and none of the data ever indicated a significant difference on cha scores between the 10-stat spans.

Reminder: there's also a charisma check on the initial landing of the charm.

[Izmael]

Just get 255 and save yourself the headache.

[Endorra]

The biggest difference will be the weight off your shoulders once you finally reach 255 and put the worrying behind you.

[Baler]

Just get a shaman to buff your CHA for +5 more cha. problem solved.

[Samoht]

Shoooot

Yall get to use CHA for charms?

Velious end-game raiding, it's only good for blanket of forgetfulness :(

[Vivitron]

Hey all, so I remember reading somewhere on the forums a while back that the bottom line effect of charisma is that every 10 points gives you effectively -1 MR on your resist checks and charm breaks.

If this is true, and assuming that you aren't able to get partial points off MR (-0.3 MR for 3 points of cha for example) then does that mean that there is no effective difference between 252 cha and 255 cha? Or, for that matter, between 250 cha and 255 cha?

The piece of EQEMU code I read had the benefit starting from 75 cha, e.g. (252 - 75) / 10. Take this with a huge grain of salt: we don't know what P1999 does, EQEMU pulls some of the involved values from their database so I assume they would be super easy to customize, I may have misread the code, etc. My personal guess is that it's more likely that you are wasting 7 cha (252 - 245) rather than wasting 2 cha.

[axisofebola]

The difference between 200 and 255 is the same as the difference between 195 and 200. Let that sink in awhile the next time you consider your gear.

[Baler]

Stats in general have diminishing returns past 200. It's not exclusive to wis/int/sta
200 is called the Soft Cap
255 is called the Hard Cap

[Vivitron]

Stats in general have diminishing returns past 200. It's not exclusive to wis/int/sta
200 is called the Soft Cap
255 is called the Hard Cap

What evidence do we have for a cha soft cap?

[Baler]

What evidence do we have for a cha soft cap?

all stats during classic had a 200 softcap. (agi may have been different (https://wiki.project1999.com/images/Agibonus.PNG))
Shit's Classic.

[Vivitron]

all stats during classic had a 200 softcap. (agi may have been different (https://wiki.project1999.com/images/Agibonus.PNG))
Shit's Classic.

Based on what evidence do you believe this though?

[axisofebola]

Based on what evidence do you believe this though?

A couple people have looked at it related to critical lull fails. Due to the randomness of charm duration it would be really hard to test the effects of 200+ cha on it, but it stands to reason it follows the same pattern as lull.

[kjs86z]

Don't sweat it.