How "hard" or "annoying" is research?

[Tunabros]

The only actual caster class I played up to level 50 ish was a necromancer and that was

on blue

I never bothered with researching since it was pretty easy to farm cash on blue

but on green everything costs an arm and a leg

so I decided to do research

How bad is it?

Thanks ^^

[Kelika2]

research is a bitch, I did it for mage on blue and never again. my green mage I used whatever pet was available and powered through and saved plat until 49 and bought the fire and water pets

Using the trainer: Be ready to spend 5-6k plat to get into the 160ish range which is good enough
If skilling up the old fashioned way: Be ready to spend a lot more than your trainer, check the wiki because each caster has their own research and its all expensive.

Also while you are at it, learn which runes/words/pages from the wiki are used in Research Only stuff and put it in the in-game /note

/note is account wide for alts and stuff. might be client wide (other accounts) i dunno never tried

[Noselacri]

It's pretty tedious. There are these practice runes you can buy and skill up with so you don't have to research actual spells with words/runes/pages the entire way, but it's not exactly interesting and you get nothing out of it besides skill points. If you were to level the skill up exclusively through real research, it takes a really long time but can essentially be done for free with dropped pages. And at the end of the day, there isn't much money in research.

Personally, I've never bothered with it. The amount of hassle and time involved is just too much for the payoff. In the time it takes you to level up the skill and obtain the right words, you could probably have farmed whatever amount of money the desired spell costs in EC. The majority of researched spells are crap that you can easily do without, each class has maybe 5-10 research-only spells that actually matter.

[Seducio]

Research is nice to have. However it's probably not worth the time/plat on any server more than a year old.

Why?

It's a skill that has depreciating value because it isn't needed for spells above 49.

So Kunark drops tons of mats and research spells become cheap to purchase even if your research skill is 0. I suggest outsourcing Research to EC.

I'd only suggest doing research if you like doing tradeskills in EQ in general.

Otherwise have that higher level Caster or higher researched skilled friend get your spells made for you for far less energy and effort.

[Jibartik]

Ive done research in my 20 years of ever quest long enough to fail the first spell atempt and go, 'you can fail this?? EFF that.'

*types macro /auc wtb research spells X X and X

[Vaarsuvius]

Research is a time / money sink as any other trade skill

In my experience as a mage on blue, most of the time the words/ components you need will most probably drop off mobs 5-10 levels above your level.... So unless you have a main/ alt or someone to collect those for you, you'll have to rely on buying them from other players in EC or check every vendor around caster guild/ bank

Then again, you can just buy those skill points, but they're like 50-60pp per when you reach 180+ Research

[Exard3k]

*types macro /auc wtb research spells X X and X


Except when you're a class with research where all researchable spells are pretty useless. Except for one and that one being not tradeable and 184 triv. Wiz Life :(

As a Wiz, Research is the most annoying thing in EQ to me.

[OuterChimp]

You can always link up with a decent guild as there will likely be someone who has a character with the appropriate research for what you are looking for. Some guild banks even have the spells you are looking for already. Just put in the work and make sure you are supporting your guild and they'll support you!

[Blingy]

I'd only suggest doing research if you like doing tradeskills in EQ in general.

Otherwise have that higher level Caster or higher researched skilled friend get your spells made for you for far less energy and effort.

This tidbit is IMO the key part of this entire thread. If you want to save money farm or buy the components and have a master researcher do the combine for you. If money is no object buy the spells outright. If you have a truckload of plat with nothing to spend it on then do research.

Do tradeskills because you like to do them.

[Tunabros]

seems like its just tradeskills that are shit in eq

I can see the pain

had to take a break after getting my pottery up to 200 for some shawl XD

[Samoht]

Depends on the class. Enchanter research is cake and some of the spells sell pretty well.

Wizard research is spotty because some of the low level runes are reused, so you may have to get friends/alts to help farm them. Pretty much all of the kite/AE spells are research only, so that makes it somewhat important, but after level 50, the only spell worthwhile is no drop when researched, but also drops from Vox, so it's a strange situation. Overall, it doesn't really matter for a wiz.

Mages and Necros need research for pets before level 50, but it's not really important otherwise.

[Smeeter]

Hello!

So I just trained my mage research from 0 to 160 from the trainer. It took about 1.3k plat to do so. This was after many days looking for the level 49 pets. I would say unless you are going to be farming mats at higher level to make spells people are looking for its not worth it. I mean after I got the level 54 water pet I dont use the level 49 pets much anyways and really the only one I do use from time to time is the earth pet and thats vendor bought. One thing I did do was save all of the research only pet materials as I was leveling so I will be able to recover some of the plat I dumped into training.

Now if you like hunting out and farming research mats then I would go for it. I am always checking vendors for mage research mats. For instance if I see Words of Bondage in EC for 50 plat I can take that make a level 49 pet and sell it for 200 to 300 plat!

I guess in a nut shell if its something you would enjoy doing at higher level then go for it! I enjoy it.

[Baler]

On caster I've spent plat to train Research at the GM as high as possible.
It's easier and faster. All tradeskills are a platsink of course but you can generate some income selling spells. That will recoop your investment.

[Videri]

On caster I've spent plat to train Research at the GM as high as possible.
It's easier and faster. All tradeskills are a platsink of course but you can generate some income selling spells. That will recoop your investment.

reCOOP this inVESTment, Baler

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[Baler]

reCOOP this inVESTment, Baler

https://i.imgur.com/ubUKOF0.jpg

damn I got played on a typo. recoup :p
That's one good lookin chicken right there, sporting a multi hued vest proper.
Well Played

[Snaggles]

It’s gonna be a slog. Either you burn words or regs on practice. Either way you have to be a fastidious collector.

Paying the trainer is a lot of plat but whether blue or green fine steel sells for the same amount. The only class that probably makes sense to train up (vs buy the researched 49 spells) is a Wiz since IC research is no-drop; the only droppable version comes from Vox. Ice Comet and Super Nova are amazing on green and still hold up fairly well post 50.

Note: I don’t know the resale profit on spells with Green server. Depending on that it may make sense to just train up, make DMF and what not, and sell for profit. Still less annoying than grinding it up naturally

[Vexenu]

I remember dropping about 2k plat in total to train my Wiz research into the 180s for Ice Comet. You can farm up 2k plat about 10x faster and easier than you can skill up research with combines.

It's really a no-brainer. There is literally no scenario in which trying to skill up research manually makes sense over just using the trainer. Even on a brand new server like Green at launch you would be better off just powering through levels with the spells you have available. You can make so much more plat at high levels that you can then easily afford trainer skill points AND buying the research mats you need from other players for your combines.

[Videri]

damn I got played on a typo. recoup :p
That's one good lookin chicken right there, sporting a multi hued vest proper.
Well Played

:D