Current Raid Proposals by AG, Riot, and Freedom

[Akg49]

AG

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HimQtd_QDo_b_izOy1oO0TG7f3R4EpwPeKpHL7Hf21o/edit?userstoinvite=octaveous1215%40gmail.com&ts=5f95d4be&actionButton=1#

Riot

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1g5vk0X4CBeDFbeJLRDmZQUR0wqmDx2x8LP7df6EQeIs/edit

Freedom

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yAakK5B2iXbMksnoo0fsHTP0lTYLdQhB_Juwpa4TpoY/edit

Discuss :D

[Penish]

This seems cool, normal and healthy.

[Akg49]

Note: extremely likely to change soon. Taken from p99 Blue UN channel.

[kaizersoze]

a lot of similarities between AG / Riot.

[Bardp1999]

Where is the "leave all 3 guilds indefinitely suspended" option

[Tunabros]

a lot of similarities between AG / Riot.

[Akg49]

also anyone else notice how when they made UN channel public it became like 100 times less toxic? Scroll up about 2 weeks and.. yikes

[kaizersoze]

also anyone else notice how when they made UN channel public it became like 100 times less toxic? Scroll up about 2 weeks and.. yikes

with transparency guild leaders all need to behave so people don't confirm any preconceived notions ;)

[Pint]

Someone is going to need to summarize those for the rest of us

[Akg49]

I think most of those votes for AG's proposal are from Riot members. Pretty popular proposal AG has there.

[feniin]

I'd be happy with a mash up of Riot and AG's. Freedom's may as well have been written in crayon.

[Balimon]

AG's most well written and concise, and similar in nature to Riot. Looks like a good place to start negotiating.

[Fammaden]

Riot proposing a green style jury system when most shit on green bypasses it to settle out of court or petition straight to GM's.

[kaizersoze]

Riot proposing a green style jury system when most shit on green bypasses it to settle out of court or petition straight to GM's.

Gms want less petitions and there isnt much other option lol

[Akg49]

and Detoxx immediately asks for Rotation Races rofl. Detoxx, these aren't competitive, they exclude all the casuals (this has been shown in Kael for months), and you need to stop hiding behind them. Stop being scared to actually compete, you know, by playing actual Everquest.

https://i.imgur.com/lfflh1R.png

[Fammaden]

Passing it off onto other players from the server to rule on seems incredibly flawed and not likely to reduce petitions. Like I said no one wants to get into some star chamber shit on green they'd rather concede or get the GM's involved, so the same status quo we already have.

[Bardp1999]

All petitions get posted into an RnF poll and the online forum community gets to decide, problem solved

[Scalem]

Where is the "leave all 3 guilds indefinitely suspended" option

[Akg49]

Meanwhile, Freedom's toxicity is overflowing again in the UN channel, trying to keep casual guilds out, trying to lock up content behind their Rotation Races. Shame.

Focus should be on how to bring together proposals, especially with many people finding much agreement between AG and Riot's proposal right now.

[kaizersoze]

Passing it off onto other players from the server to rule on seems incredibly flawed and not likely to reduce petitions. Like I said no one wants to get into some star chamber shit on green they'd rather concede or get the GM's involved, so the same status quo we already have.

What is your solution to reduce petitions, if not by council of our peers? The GMs, who are volunteers, are sick of dealing with them week in and week out, but if people are breaking the rules, you can't just let them crap on the server because the GMs dont want to be bothered.

The only other real solution I can think of is when a guild thinks they're wronged, everyone drops the mob, reviews, and a concession is thrown out by the guilty party or people who claimed falsely. But if the punishment is the same as if they wait weeks on end while things are reviewed, no loot is deleted, and it's only 2 mobs they lose, why even bother not going to petition? You might even get away with it even if you did break the rules.

A council might not be perfect, but it could be dealt with far more swiftly and if the party found in the wrong doesn't like it, they could escalate it, but if one party is habitually in the wrong and petitioned, people will take notice in and out of guild. Especially if there are steeper consequences to it.

As for the TOV lockouts, this is Freedom's chance to try to throw AG away like a used condom with a meta that literally only they want. Very short lockouts would be fine to prevent leapfrogging, but Freedom doesn't want that. It's gonna be a LONG winter of not raiding, folks.

[Tunabros]

anyone got TLDR for all of them?

[Scalem]

anyone got TLDR for all of them?

AG and Riot pretty similar also seems to be the fairest/most thought put into it. Freedom is we want pixels and don’t want to share and competition is bad.

[kaizersoze]

AG and Riot pretty similar also seems to be the fairest/most thought put into it. Freedom is we want pixels and don’t want to share and competition is bad.

you forgot the part where they're going to dump all the warm body members they think are useless because they wont need them anymore if they have one person who can suicide in for FTE.

[Scalem]

Meanwhile, Freedom's toxicity is overflowing again in the UN channel, trying to keep casual guilds out, trying to lock up content behind their Rotation Races. Shame.

Focus should be on how to bring together proposals, especially with many people finding much agreement between AG and Riot's proposal right now.

With how toxic Freedom continues to be its clear they haven’t learned anything. They should remain banned after an agreement is reached. Or at the very least they should be on incredibly thin ice.

[Scalem]

you forgot the part where they're going to dump all the warm body members they think are useless because they wont need them anymore if they have one person who can suicide in for FTE.

Yea that’s why I think freedom should honestly just stay perma banned. The server will go on just fine without that toxicity. At the very least the leadership should stay banned and members can rejoin the sever in a couple months.

[Rang]

Who needs years of law school when you can play project 1999

[Bardp1999]

https://i.imgur.com/gE5N5vs.jpg

[Zyth]

Voted AG because it was the only one that looks like an adult wrote it.

[Ripqozko]

Waiting on Kittens and TSS proposal to vote.

[Fammaden]

What is your solution to reduce petitions, if not by council of our peers?

What is yours now that Galach has roundly rejected the council of peers idea?

[feniin]

Waiting on Kittens and TSS proposal to vote.

[N0tClassic]

The length and effort it took to write these is the exact reason why the raid scene on Blue is toxic and broken beyond repair. None of them are sincere. Whichever proposal is agreed upon will be blown up within a week or two.

We all know the real end game of all of these guilds is to deny everyone else loot. That's why the raid scene is toxic. This is why P99 raiding on blue has been broken for more than 10 years.

It started with IB

You still even see the posts today "Sorry you didn't get warder loot"

They are more proud of denying everyone else loot than attaining it. That's why all of these guilds are a disgrace and should never be allowed to raid on the server ever again. Instead of breaking the cycle, they have perpetuated it.

Entire MMOs (way more successful) were designed to specifically negate this attitude so the 95% of other people playing the game can enjoy it.

The problem is this sick attitude doesn't end with raid mobs. As they get bored and roll alts, the toxicity bleeds into xp zones making everyone's life miserable as they pull entire zones to PL their alts.

Keep them banned forever. The server is sick and needs to heal. Their collective attitude is a steaming turd that needs to be flushed down the toilet.

It's the scorpion and the frog. They could write 100 page documents with proposed rules and changes, it doesn't change who they are as individuals. It doesn't change their character. It doesn't sate their lust and greed for denying everyone else pixels.

Keep them all banned. Never let them raid here again.

Break the cycle

[Daloon]

^ this guy never got warder loot for sure

[getsome]

It started with IB

You’re welcome.

[bradsamma]

I absolutely think that there should be one week a month where everyone has an opportunity with a roll to get "stuff" it really is the fairest way and good for server health.

[Akg49]

I guess I should also post Riot and Freedom's previous proposals too, for posterity sake, these were in the mix. From the pins in the UN discord:

Riot's first Rotation proposal
----------------
Arthion <Riot>10/21/2020
@here Proposal:

A raid entity is defined as a guild or alliance of guilds that can kill Derakor the Vindicator without outside help.

Sunday Noon EST, all raid entities on the server /ran 1000 for pick order. Pick raid targets in order until all are picked in a snake approach - so A, B, C, D, E, E, D, C, B, A.

You have until the following Sunday Midnight EST to kill your target.

No teamups allowed. Raiding entities can choose to teamup but then must make picks as 1 entity for all picks that week.

If there's multiple spawns of that mob in a week, they are all yours.

Do whatever you want to kill your target following PnP rules.

P99 raiding, simple and clean
----------------------------------
and Freedom's first... proposal

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kCQQF7J3ZNdCfO7NWh0BQoKba69mGAtO4S1oS4-swCc/edit

[bktroost]

Break the cycle

If you assume that this is because of players alone, you are wrong. Devs WANT this level of competition. What they don't want is petitions. If you want to fix this, go ffa and agree to never petition. That would be exactly how the devs envision their best scenario of p99... and I heard this straight from the lead Dev's mouth myself when I was a leader here. Give them what they want. Embrace the chaos.

[N0tClassic]

If you assume that this is because of players alone, you are wrong. Devs WANT this level of competition. What they don't want is petitions. If you want to fix this, go ffa and agree to never petition. That would be exactly how the devs envision their best scenario of p99... and I heard this straight from the lead Dev's mouth myself when I was a leader here. Give them what they want. Embrace the chaos.

I don't think you understand what the devs want

Blue is so laughably broken so a few douchebags can boast they denied you loot in RnF forever. It's like Pixel Social Media.

It's not even about acquiring the loot

[bktroost]

I don't think you understand what the devs want

Blue is so laughably broken so a few douchebags can boast they denied you loot in RnF forever. It's like Pixel Social Media.

It's not even about acquiring the loot

Yes. You probably have more experience working hand-in-hand with them and the GM staff than I did. Sorry to be presumptuous there. Making uneducated commentary like that makes me look ignorant. I greatly apologize.

[N0tClassic]

Yes. You probably have more experience working hand-in-hand with them and the GM staff than I did. Sorry to be presumptuous there. Making uneducated commentary like that makes me look ignorant. I greatly apologize.

You presume much

[Naonak]

also anyone else notice how when they made UN channel public it became like 100 times less toxic? Scroll up about 2 weeks and.. yikes

Funny that? When it was private, the gloves and the childish behavior was wild.

One of the reasons Detoxx wants to remove the UN channel all together or only have raid guild representatives.

[Naonak]

Waiting on Kittens and TSS proposal to vote.

They are not allowed to put in a proposal i am afraid. As per Galach post in UN.

[kaizersoze]

They are not allowed to put in a proposal i am afraid. As per Galach post in UN.

Well according to Detox, nobody but Freedom, AG or Riot should have any input on the raid rules because they're all filthy casuls who dont even compete. Not TSS, not DB, not Kittens, not Lighthouse, Aegis, none of them. They pretend to be the champion of the little guy, while simultaneously saying they should have no say in how the default rules of the server should be set.

The paradox of course being, how can Freedom have a voice in telling people who can and cant speak about the rules because they don't compete when Freedom doesn't even compete on their own, basically since their inception? Pot calling the kettle black.

[Woke Locc]

They are not allowed to put in a proposal i am afraid. As per Galach post in UN.

Are you in either of those guilds?

[Naonak]

In which of those guilds to you mean?

Top raiding guild or the top raiding alliance or the one of the casuals?

[Woke Locc]

In which of those guilds to you mean?

Top raiding guild or the top raiding alliance or the one of the casuals?

Kittens or TSS. It's in the quote I quoted. Sorry if that was confusing for you.

What makes you speak for them?

[Downunderman911]

They just want Freedumb from the rules and for casuals to stay out of sight away from the pixels

[Phaezed-Reality]

i didn't read any of this. i think the beta server is over and you all are just latched onto beta server pixels. kunark is almost out. some of you neckbeards can roll up on green still and max 50 before it launches. its not to late.

seek help.

[Naonak]

Doesn't every one playing on blue have a right in saying what a server rule change should be? Good or bad Weather? Whether they raid daily,weekly or only at each rare Quake. It effects everyone and they will be bound to those said rules. Only if they they aren't considered minor violations.

Rule changes should be fair to all players. Not favour one guild or one raiding alliance, trying to have two separate votes.

[Akg49]

Doesn't every one playing on blue have a right in saying what a server rule change should be? Good or bad Weather? Whether they raid daily,weekly or only at each rare Quake. It effects everyone and they will be bound to those said rules. Only if they they aren't considered minor violations.

Rule changes should be fair to all players. Not favour one guild or one raiding alliance, trying to have two separate votes.

That's the whole reason the raid scene is in this situation. Detoxx has been getting his way for years, creating an unbalanced raid scene, resulting in the toxicity we see. Now he wants Rotation Races so that he can do almost nothing and get all kinds of warm body charity pixels, while over half the server has no say in the matter.

[Psyborg]

That's the whole reason the raid scene is in this situation. Detoxx has been getting his way for years, creating an unbalanced raid scene, resulting in the toxicity we see. Now he wants Rotation Races so that he can do almost nothing and get all kinds of warm body charity pixels, while over half the server has no say in the matter.

Where in any of this do you see rotation races? The only thing Freedom has any interest in rotating is Tunare/RW and those seem to be the two things all guilds can agree on. Galach asked for server default fallbacks for when a rotation fails, and Freedom is suggesting a race to Tunare FTE, Riot is suggesting a race to Takish FTE (effectively), and AG is suggesting that whatever guild is in the zone when clearing when Tunare spawns should win it. Again, those 3 suggestions are only in lieu of a broken player rotation.

Please stop spewing misinformation.

[Psyborg]

They just want Freedumb from the rules and for casuals to stay out of sight away from the pixels

Actually the opposite. We want casuals to come compete. The server is more fun that way!

[Grapeape]

every casual that's upset with the state of affairs needs to consider that Roegan and Nilbog's vision for the server might not line up with their own vision for the server, and that their own vision for the server doesnt mean a god damned thing. The server owned by the players. If we don't like the direction that the staff steers blue, click on another server from the list next time.

[Grapeape]

The server owned by the players.

isn't owned*

[Psyborg]

Well according to Detox, nobody but Freedom, AG or Riot should have any input on the raid rules because they're all filthy casuls who dont even compete. Not TSS, not DB, not Kittens, not Lighthouse, Aegis, none of them. They pretend to be the champion of the little guy, while simultaneously saying they should have no say in how the default rules of the server should be set.

The paradox of course being, how can Freedom have a voice in telling people who can and cant speak about the rules because they don't compete when Freedom doesn't even compete on their own, basically since their inception? Pot calling the kettle black.

Come on man you have to know how disingenuous this is. Galach and Menden are the ones that said this is a problem for R/F/AG to solve. Nobody had any complaints for an entire week that so many people were chiming in but at some point there is such thing as too many people wanting to have their say in that channel. None of the rulesets being discussed are meant to discourage smaller guilds from competing. The opposite is true actually: all of Riot's server default proposals encourage zerg level raiding. Smaller guilds will have a much easier time competing with mechanics like FTE lockouts in place. Once Kittens has an FTE on Aary, that mob is effectively their mob for an hour+. But no, Riot has a hard line against FTE lockouts.

We get that Riot wants to push for a full server rotation, and we get that the casual guilds favor that. Freedom isn't evil for wanting competition, it's just the way we think the game is best enjoyed for us and the server maintainers are clearly in agreement.

Freedom has not told any smaller guild to shut up or keep out, we simply wanted clarification on Menden's post. Nobody stopped Kittens/TSS/DB/AEGIS/etc. from offering up suggestions once Galach made it clear this was an F/R/AG problem to resolve. We limited our guild to 2-3 reps max in UN, and we believe other non-entities (Sorry Keera, it's true) should refrain from posting there too. Again, if that makes us the bad guys then I really don't know what to say.

The thing that strikes me the most Kaiser is that every single one of your own personal suggestions is closer to Freedom's than it is your own guilds yet you are intent and shitting on us here in RnF. You don't want rotations, you want harsher penalties for petitions. That is quite literally the crux of our proposal.

[bktroost]

every casual that's upset with the state of affairs needs to consider that Roegan and Nilbog's vision for the server might not line up with their own vision for the server, and that their own vision for the server doesnt mean a god damned thing. The server isn't owned by the players. If we don't like the direction that the staff steers blue, click on another server from the list next time.

This.

[Akg49]

The thing is that you don't want less people because it'll make it easier to come to an agreement, you want less people because no one wants Freedom's proposal, or anything to do with Freedom XD ... and if all the casual guilds had a say/vote you guys would be voted off the island. Do you know who's fault that is.. ? It is your own fault for being so toxic.

[Kaitainz]

Come on man you have to know how disingenuous this is. Galach and Menden are the ones that said this is a problem for R/F/AG to solve. Nobody had any complaints for an entire week that so many people were chiming in but at some point there is such thing as too many people wanting to have their say in that channel. None of the rulesets being discussed are meant to discourage smaller guilds from competing. The opposite is true actually: all of Riot's server default proposals encourage zerg level raiding. Smaller guilds will have a much easier time competing with mechanics like FTE lockouts in place. Once Kittens has an FTE on Aary, that mob is effectively their mob for an hour+. But no, Riot has a hard line against FTE lockouts.

We get that Riot wants to push for a full server rotation, and we get that the casual guilds favor that. Freedom isn't evil for wanting competition, it's just the way we think the game is best enjoyed for us and the server maintainers are clearly in agreement.

Freedom has not told any smaller guild to shut up or keep out, we simply wanted clarification on Menden's post. Nobody stopped Kittens/TSS/DB/AEGIS/etc. from offering up suggestions once Galach made it clear this was an F/R/AG problem to resolve. We limited our guild to 2-3 reps max in UN, and we believe other non-entities (Sorry Keera, it's true) should refrain from posting there too. Again, if that makes us the bad guys then I really don't know what to say.

The thing that strikes me the most Kaiser is that every single one of your own personal suggestions is closer to Freedom's than it is your own guilds yet you are intent and shitting on us here in RnF. You don't want rotations, you want harsher penalties for petitions. That is quite literally the crux of our proposal.

Do you actually believe your own bullshit? You have 6-8 people all dog piling others that have a different opinion then freedom. Freedom has told several people in smaller guilds to
Shit the fuck up and stay out of this. Your either sucking Furoars dick amd can’t see straight or an absolute idiot if you actually can’t see that everything you just posted is a fucking lie. Holy shit balls Batman.

[Psyborg]

Do you actually believe your own bullshit? You have 6-8 people all dog piling others that have a different opinion then freedom. Freedom has told several people in smaller guilds to
Shit the fuck up and stay out of this. Your either sucking Furoars dick amd can’t see straight or an absolute idiot if you actually can’t see that everything you just posted is a fucking lie. Holy shit balls Batman.

Show me quotes of a Freedom people shitting on a guild for having a voice. Questioning the intent of the GM's specifically saying F/R/AG need to solve this isn't shitting or dogpiling on someone.

[Psyborg]

The thing is that you don't want less people because it'll make it easier to come to an agreement, you want less people because no one wants Freedom's proposal, or anything to do with Freedom XD ... and if all the casual guilds had a say/vote you guys would be voted off the island. Do you know who's fault that is.. ? It is your own fault for being so toxic.

Freedom doesn't want less people anywhere. We want more people competing, less people whining in the UN. Let's get there.

[Akg49]

Freedom doesn't want less people anywhere. We want more people competing, less people whining in the UN. Let's get there.

Not going anywhere if Detoxx/Furoar don't stop rejecting anything but FTE lockout Rotation Races lol. We're gonna be in this for months, tuck in :D

Btw everyone else on the server is fine with it going long if it means we can actually get some proper change that benefits the whole server, not just Detoxx. Seriously prepare yourself, its gonna be a long journey.

[Viscere]

They both really got under your skin pal

Can't keep their names out of any of your posts, impressive

[feniin]

They both really got under your skin pal

Can't keep their names out of any of your posts, impressive

Does it bother you to put a name on the shit stains that are causing the problem? You can't objectively read anything those idiots wrote today in the UN and tell me they're trying to make things better for everyone on the server. They have zero interest in making a lasting agreement. They just want the suspension to end so they can use AG to get more pixels.

[Akg49]

They both really got under your skin pal

Can't keep their names out of any of your posts, impressive

I see your posts and move on without even glancing about 99% of the time. Just so you know. You're like one step above Ripqozko.

[Ripqozko]

I see your posts and move on without even glancing about 99% of the time. Just so you know. You're like one step above Ripqozko.

Spotted the guy with no warder loot

[sobchakdude]

Spotted the guy with no warder loot

Does anyone with warder loot still even play

[Psyborg]

Not going anywhere if Detoxx/Furoar don't stop rejecting anything but FTE lockout Rotation Races lol. We're gonna be in this for months, tuck in :D

Btw everyone else on the server is fine with it going long if it means we can actually get some proper change that benefits the whole server, not just Detoxx. Seriously prepare yourself, its gonna be a long journey.

Where are you coming up with this? FTE Lockout Rotation Races? What a gross misrepresentation of the Freedom proposal. There isn't a single encounter in the Freedom proposal that seeks "FTE Lockout Rotation Races."

[Akg49]

Where are you coming up with this? FTE Lockout Rotation Races? What a gross misrepresentation of the Freedom proposal. There isn't a single encounter in the Freedom proposal that seeks "FTE Lockout Rotation Races."

Do you happen to know how many Statue Riot and AG/F have killed since Kael races started? Skimming some DKP logs briefly, looks like 6 Riot kills, 7 AG/F kills. Just about... 50/50. Hmmm. Now add a lockout mechanic on top of that roughly 50/50 RNG, which gives you essentially an uncontested shot at the mob... What could we possible call that? If only there was a word for this...

[Psyborg]

Do you happen to know how many Statue Riot and AG/F have killed since Kael races started? Skimming some DKP logs briefly, looks like 6 Riot kills, 7 AG/F kills. Just about... 50/50. Hmmm. Now add a lockout mechanic on top of that roughly 50/50 RNG, which gives you essentially an uncontested shot at the mob... What could we possible call that? If only there was a word for this...

You’re completely ignoring my question. Show me where in the Freedom proposal it talks about “Rotating FTE Lockout Races.” Quote it. Until then you’re making stuff up to suit god knows what agenda.

[druidbob]

Worth mentioning that the non-suspended guilds were able to create an agreement that was a mix of draft-pick rotation and ffa mobs that everyone was happy with in one afternoon.

[Viscere]

Living rent free in Criot RnFers' heads

Had a group in hole yesterday with some normal Riot, p cool people

I understand why they frown upon RnF, you two clowns are p bad at it jesus lol

[Foxplay]

Worth mentioning that the non-suspended guilds were able to create an agreement that was a mix of draft-pick rotation and ffa mobs that everyone was happy with in one afternoon.

That involves sharing and respecting others, clearly something all 3 of the raid-banned guilds could work on...

[Asteria]

AG

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HimQtd_QDo_b_izOy1oO0TG7f3R4EpwPeKpHL7Hf21o/edit?userstoinvite=octaveous1215%40gmail.com&ts=5f95d4be&actionButton=1#

Riot

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1g5vk0X4CBeDFbeJLRDmZQUR0wqmDx2x8LP7df6EQeIs/edit

Freedom

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yAakK5B2iXbMksnoo0fsHTP0lTYLdQhB_Juwpa4TpoY/edit

Discuss :D
a lot of similarities between AG / Riot.
also anyone else notice how when they made UN channel public it became like 100 times less toxic? Scroll up about 2 weeks and.. yikes
Someone is going to need to summarize those for the rest of us
I think most of those votes for AG's proposal are from Riot members. Pretty popular proposal AG has there.
I'd be happy with a mash up of Riot and AG's. Freedom's may as well have been written in crayon.
AG's most well written and concise, and similar in nature to Riot. Looks like a good place to start negotiating.
Riot proposing a green style jury system when most shit on green bypasses it to settle out of court or petition straight to GM's.
Gms want less petitions and there isnt much other option lol
and Detoxx immediately asks for Rotation Races rofl. Detoxx, these aren't competitive, they exclude all the casuals (this has been shown in Kael for months), and you need to stop hiding behind them. Stop being scared to actually compete, you know, by playing actual Everquest.
https://i.imgur.com/lfflh1R.png
Passing it off onto other players from the server to rule on seems incredibly flawed and not likely to reduce petitions. Like I said no one wants to get into some star chamber shit on green they'd rather concede or get the GM's involved, so the same status quo we already have.

:o:o:oMY LORD, I seen mushrooms with bigger brains!

smelled better too... :o

All petitions get posted into an RnF poll and the online forum community gets to decide, problem solved
Meanwhile, Freedom's toxicity is overflowing again in the UN channel, trying to keep casual guilds out, trying to lock up content behind their Rotation Races. Shame.

Focus should be on how to bring together proposals, especially with many people finding much agreement between AG and Riot's proposal right now.

What is your solution to reduce petitions, if not by council of our peers? The GMs, who are volunteers, are sick of dealing with them week in and week out, but if people are breaking the rules, you can't just let them crap on the server because the GMs dont want to be bothered.

The only other real solution I can think of is when a guild thinks they're wronged, everyone drops the mob, reviews, and a concession is thrown out by the guilty party or people who claimed falsely. But if the punishment is the same as if they wait weeks on end while things are reviewed, no loot is deleted, and it's only 2 mobs they lose, why even bother not going to petition? You might even get away with it even if you did break the rules.

A council might not be perfect, but it could be dealt with far more swiftly and if the party found in the wrong doesn't like it, they could escalate it, but if one party is habitually in the wrong and petitioned, people will take notice in and out of guild. Especially if there are steeper consequences to it.

As for the TOV lockouts, this is Freedom's chance to try to throw AG away like a used condom with a meta that literally only they want. Very short lockouts would be fine to prevent leapfrogging, but Freedom doesn't want that. It's gonna be a LONG winter of not raiding, folks.
anyone got TLDR for all of them?
AG and Riot pretty similar also seems to be the fairest/most thought put into it. Freedom is we want pixels and don’t want to share and competition is bad.
you forgot the part where they're going to dump all the warm body members they think are useless because they wont need them anymore if they have one person who can suicide in for FTE.
With how toxic Freedom continues to be its clear they haven’t learned anything. They should remain banned after an agreement is reached. Or at the very least they should be on incredibly thin ice.
Yea that’s why I think freedom should honestly just stay perma banned. The server will go on just fine without that toxicity. At the very least the leadership should stay banned and members can rejoin the sever in a couple months.

:o:oMust be tough, lookin' like you all! :o

Voted AG because it was the only one that looks like an adult wrote it.
Waiting on Kittens and TSS proposal to vote.
What is yours now that Galach has roundly rejected the council of peers idea?

https://i.imgur.com/gE5N5vs.jpg

[Hideousclaw]

I, for one, am particular in blaming President George Walker Bush for all things that are wrong here.

and for 9/11 tower trouble

[Toryas]

They both really got under your skin pal

Can't keep their names out of any of your posts, impressive

Aww has he noticed you yet?

[Hotel]

that feel when you guys have to stay suspended until you work with Freedom

[Nexii]

I would have maybe picked AG but more 16 hour POG clears sounds awful

[Molitoth]

Now that all 15 Freedom members have voted for their own proposal, watch the Riot/AG votes start climbing.

[beversami]

Imagine having to write a 9 page document because you can't play a game nicely.

[Hotel]

Now that all 15 Freedom members have voted for their own proposal, watch the Riot/AG votes start climbing.

better work on that attitude or we could be here a while

[Scalem]

Worth mentioning that the non-suspended guilds were able to create an agreement that was a mix of draft-pick rotation and ffa mobs that everyone was happy with in one afternoon.

Just another reason to leave them all banned. The server will survive just fine without them. The real question is can they survive without their precious pixels?

[Maschenny]

Worth mentioning that the non-suspended guilds were able to create an agreement that was a mix of draft-pick rotation and ffa mobs that everyone was happy with in one afternoon.

Yeah, but riot/freedom/ag have a much more difficult task. They have to figure out mob distribution and also how to keep you lot in line. Stay tuned and make sure you follow the rules.

[pogs4ever]

Voted AG. Though Riots is good too.

[Jeni]

I want want to vote Azure Guard just for that juicy buttering of the GM's one sentence one. These guys get it

[adichi]

AG and Riots proposals look very well done, apologetic and respectful and genuinely want to work on the issues at hand.

Freedom's proposal looks like a 12 year old was forced by dad to write an apology letter for setting the neighbor's lawn on fire

[enjchanter]

Where is the "leave all 3 guilds indefinitely suspended" option

[N0tClassic]

AG and Riots proposals look very well done, apologetic and respectful and genuinely want to work on the issues at hand.

Freedom's proposal looks like a 12 year old was forced by dad to write an apology letter for setting the neighbor's lawn on fire

The first lost dragon and everyone would be back at square one

The problem with the raid scene on beta is Culture

[Allishia]

I voted for AG one, the Yelinak race looks fun /nod

[hobart]

The problem with the current discussions is Detoxx.

He's better at EQ than any of you are -- at least the ones left. He's also a toxic piece of shit who talks down to his "friends" as if he's not an obese blue collar piece of shit cuck from New Jersey.

As such, he needs a rule set that lends itself to a single person (or small group) securing the mob that he can then casually kill with the few drug addicts, losers, and degenerates who can stand to be guilded with him without Riot or AG breathing down his sweaty neck.

Right now the answer is Mario Carting, but that is just for the time being. Eventually Detoxx will cross the line and make fun of Furoar's speech impediment or something. Now, I know many of you are thinking that Furoar must not have any sort of self respect given that he is now the pixel jockey for the turd that accused him of cheating in the past. You might be right...

Still, the point is that the Mario Cart metric only works for Detoxx when he's winning. A few bad cycles and he'll be back to wanting to "fix" the raid scene again with some other random contest he thinks he'll win with. First one to post a Tiktok of them finishing a shitty frozen pie from the dollar store gets 3 hours to kill Vulak!

The staff needs to let AG and Riot come up with the solution and then force everyone to live with it for a long, long, long time.

[getsome]

^NaCl y

[reznor_]

The problem with the current discussions is Detoxx.

He's better at EQ than any of you are -- at least the ones left. He's also a toxic piece of shit who talks down to his "friends" as if he's not an obese blue collar piece of shit cuck from New Jersey.

As such, he needs a rule set that lends itself to a single person (or small group) securing the mob that he can then casually kill with the few drug addicts, losers, and degenerates who can stand to be guilded with him without Riot or AG breathing down his sweaty neck.

Right now the answer is Mario Carting, but that is just for the time being. Eventually Detoxx will cross the line and make fun of Furoar's speech impediment or something. Now, I know many of you are thinking that Furoar must not have any sort of self respect given that he is now the pixel jockey for the turd that accused him of cheating in the past. You might be right...

Still, the point is that the Mario Cart metric only works for Detoxx when he's winning. A few bad cycles and he'll be back to wanting to "fix" the raid scene again with some other random contest he thinks he'll win with. First one to post a Tiktok of them finishing a shitty frozen pie from the dollar store gets 3 hours to kill Vulak!

The staff needs to let AG and Riot come up with the solution and then force everyone to live with it for a long, long, long time.

lol wow.

Figures you’d choose a forum handle name that’s the same as the worst Vulak loot.

[Pyrrhica]

Even a Hobart's is looking pretty good right about now. :(

[shuklak]

Just another reason to leave them all banned. The server will survive just fine without them. The real question is can they survive without their precious pixels?

After an eq addict detoxes for a few days to a week their brains are just radically different, and better off.

[Akg49]

AG's proposal is winning. Riot is in solid 2nd, with many Riot members voting AG. Seriously well done AG. Freedom is doing ok, my starter pity vote kinda propped them up I think.

If we keep up the solid UN cooperation we should be out of this by President's day at the lastest. Good show everyone :D

[Detoxx]

The problem with the current discussions is Detoxx.

He's better at EQ than any of you are -- at least the ones left. He's also a toxic piece of shit who talks down to his "friends" as if he's not an obese blue collar piece of shit cuck from New Jersey.

As such, he needs a rule set that lends itself to a single person (or small group) securing the mob that he can then casually kill with the few drug addicts, losers, and degenerates who can stand to be guilded with him without Riot or AG breathing down his sweaty neck.

Right now the answer is Mario Carting, but that is just for the time being. Eventually Detoxx will cross the line and make fun of Furoar's speech impediment or something. Now, I know many of you are thinking that Furoar must not have any sort of self respect given that he is now the pixel jockey for the turd that accused him of cheating in the past. You might be right...

Still, the point is that the Mario Cart metric only works for Detoxx when he's winning. A few bad cycles and he'll be back to wanting to "fix" the raid scene again with some other random contest he thinks he'll win with. First one to post a Tiktok of them finishing a shitty frozen pie from the dollar store gets 3 hours to kill Vulak!

The staff needs to let AG and Riot come up with the solution and then force everyone to live with it for a long, long, long time.

Seek professional help.

[Detoxx]

You are either:

A. Extremely lonely and are fighting depression due to a fear of no one ever truly loving you or;
B. In a toxic relationship where your partner unilatterly despises you and you come on the internet to spread your virulence.

Either case I truly feel sorry for you and wish you the best.

[Akg49]

Detoxx is getting unhinged and even more toxic. We might be reaching peak Toxicity soon, everyone stand back he's gonna blow!

[feniin]

You are either:

A. Extremely lonely and are fighting depression due to a fear of no one ever truly loving you or;
B. In a toxic relationship where your partner unilatterly despises you and you come on the internet to spread your virulence.

Either case I truly feel sorry for you and wish you the best.
Wife already leave you for the real baby daddy?

[Ripqozko]

Wife already leave you for the real baby daddy?

The moment you take eq and forums personal , how very liberal of you .

[Strifer]

Back in like 2012 I suggested Rap Battles for FTE ala 8-Mile.... everyone's crew will be there, it will add camaraderie to the raids and frankly help blow off steam

#RAPFORFTE2020

[Viscere]

Wife already leave you for the real baby daddy?

Toxic as fuck

You are so salty and mad that you can't help but display an attitude that fully justifies your suspension

[feniin]

Toxic as fuck

You are so salty and mad that you can't help but display an attitude that fully justifies your suspension
Going to just ignore what that fat sack of shit wrote to the other guy? :rolleyes:

I've played once in the last 6 weeks. Super sad about that suspension.

[Viscere]

Well you are chain posting here

I'm sorry pal but it does make you look mad as fuk

[Dreenk317]

Doesn't every one playing on blue have a right in saying what a server rule change should be? Good or bad Weather? Whether they raid daily,weekly or only at each rare Quake. It effects everyone and they will be bound to those said rules. Only if they they aren't considered minor violations.

Rule changes should be fair to all players. Not favour one guild or one raiding alliance, trying to have two separate votes.

No, absolutely not. Only rogean, the devs, and GM's have an actual say in server rules. And that's all who shoukd have a say. Thats why ag/f/r are coming up with an AGREEMENT, to prevent lawyerquesting of the rules in the future. And the galach and other GM's are updating/creating some rules as well.

But ag/f/r are in no way making server rules. Just trying to hash out a server agreement.

[Allishia]

Can yall grow up please and quit with the personal attacks, I don't even know what to compare you guys to, I was going to say quit acting like children, but kids aren't even that mean.

Everyone wants dragons and I'm sure it will get fixed soon but no reason to act like this. At least stop with the personal attacks please.


Still voting AG, riots is close too, freedom kinda looks like the same thing we have been doing, no offense just how I read it.

Reading riots and Ags, everything all formatted nice and like the AG had an opening letter or cover letter I'm not sure what you would call it...but wow this is a video game and yall doing professional writing woot =P

Really hope we go with the ag one and get this raid suspension over so I can tank a dragon please, starting to get the shakes over here, /tap =P

[Zal22]

You are either:

A. Extremely lonely and are fighting depression due to a fear of no one ever truly loving you or;
B. In a toxic relationship where your partner unilatterly despises you and you come on the internet to spread your virulence.

Either case I truly feel sorry for you and wish you the best.


You eiether.

A. Are a career p99 player who cannot let go.
B. A sad person who claims he has children when he only has p99 in his life.

I truly feel sorry for you and wish you the best.

[Stroboo]

You are either:

A. Extremely lonely and are fighting depression due to a fear of no one ever truly loving you or;
B. In a toxic relationship where your partner unilatterly despises you and you come on the internet to spread your virulence.

Either case I truly feel sorry for you and wish you the best.

How can someone this toxic be allowed to have any UN responsibility or voice?

How do we start a petition to get him removed from the UN?

[Viscere]

You eiether.


so irritated that you can't type

jesus lol

[Dreenk317]

How can someone this toxic be allowed to have any UN responsibility or voice?

How do we start a petition to get him removed from the UN?

Id say detoxx is about a medium toxic compared to some of the voices in the UN. They've gotten a lot cleaner since the UN got opened up to outside eyes. But scroll up a couple weeks..... the toxicity, from multiple, and often surprising sources, is overwhelming.

[Detoxx]

How can someone this toxic be allowed to have any UN responsibility or voice?

How do we start a petition to get him removed from the UN?

Just PM the GMs, message them on the forums or put a forum petition in. There are several avenues.

[Akg49]

Just PM the GMs, message them on the forums or put a forum petition in. There are several avenues.

Nah its more fun watching you make a fool of yourself on there :D

[Clazxiss]

Just implement instancing already and be done with this. Each guild with have their own raid zone. What's hard to understand? This is the beta server where non classic items have been implemented, it's fine.

[beversami]

Worth mentioning that the non-suspended guilds were able to create an agreement that was a mix of draft-pick rotation and ffa mobs that everyone was happy with in one afternoon.

[Magerin]

Lets set up a weekly draft process.
5 Rounds, every guild gets one pick each round.
Trades for picks is NOT allowed.
Each guild picks their 5 targets for each round (a total of 5 mobs each week).
Non-picked mobs are FFA, open for any guild at any time.
There will be a 48 hour lock on each mob unless your mob is a linked mob (vulak), in this case, that 48 hour is paused and won't start until after all linked mobs are out of the way for a clear shot.
Normal FTE rules apply as always.
Currently in the rotation: Riot, Freedom, AG, Kittens, TSS and aegis making up a total of six guilds with a total of 30 picks over all.

This should solve a lot of problems and force guilds to focus on what their guild is able of doing and not spreading their forces too thin. Drafting orders will also rotate week to week. If you are first pick of each round on one week, you will be last pick of each round the following week. Pick your targets wisely! What mob(s) you pick(s) could also have tied mobs to them, like Jorl and Lady N, and Triplets could be considered one total pick to clear up any confusion. At the completion of each cycle, each guild will meet up to make their draft picks within 24 hours. The most recent draft will also apply if an earthquakes happen.

Everyone wins.

[N0tClassic]

Lets set up a weekly draft process.
5 Rounds, every guild gets one pick each round.
Trades for picks is NOT allowed.
Each guild picks their 5 targets for each round (a total of 5 mobs each week).
Non-picked mobs are FFA, open for any guild at any time.
There will be a 48 hour lock on each mob unless your mob is a linked mob (vulak), in this case, that 48 hour is paused and won't start until after all linked mobs are out of the way for a clear shot.
Normal FTE rules apply as always.
Currently in the rotation: Riot, Freedom, AG, Kittens, TSS and aegis making up a total of six guilds with a total of 30 picks over all.

This should solve a lot of problems and force guilds to focus on what their guild is able of doing and not spreading their forces too thin. Drafting orders will also rotate week to week. If you are first pick of each round on one week, you will be last pick of each round the following week. Pick your targets wisely! What mob(s) you pick(s) could also have tied mobs to them, like Jorl and Lady N, and Triplets could be considered one total pick to clear up any confusion. At the completion of each cycle, each guild will meet up to make their draft picks within 24 hours. The most recent draft will also apply if an earthquakes happen.

Everyone wins.

It's a mistake to even have these proposals. It's a total waste of time. No point in catering to people with all of the rube goldberg raiding schemes

Ban them all from ever raiding again. Just ban their accounts period. Block their IPs from connecting to the box

Break the cycle

Usher in a new golden age upon the server

[ScottBerta]

You think banning those guys would change anything? All that would happen is guilds would join together and we would have 2 or 3 elite guilds again fighting for the best pixels. This has always been the story of p99 blue. Take the top guilds out, new ones will merge and fill the void.

[Molitoth]

It's a mistake to even have these proposals. It's a total waste of time. No point in catering to people with all of the rube goldberg raiding schemes

Ban them all from ever raiding again. Just ban their accounts period. Block their IPs from connecting to the box

Break the cycle

Usher in a new golden age upon the server

This may be the most selfish post during this whole ordeal.
There are many good people in all 3 guilds that don't deserve to be banned.

And like the post right under you, that wouldn't solve anything but create new animosity at the top.

You sir, sound like an asshole.

[cobhc3]

This may be the most selfish post during this whole ordeal.
There are many good people in all 3 guilds that don't deserve to be banned.

And like the post right under you, that wouldn't solve anything but create new animosity at the top.

You sir, sound like an asshole.

Looks like he trolled you good. New account, 12 posts, you took the bait hard and fast. :eek:

[N0tClassic]

This may be the most selfish post during this whole ordeal.
There are many good people in all 3 guilds that don't deserve to be banned.

And like the post right under you, that wouldn't solve anything but create new animosity at the top.

You sir, sound like an asshole.

You're both wrong

This is best moment the beta server has had in a long time to break the cycle, purge the filth and usher in a new golden age of beta servering

Once these people are kicked off the box you then implement new raid rules that are very simple

If you're guild is raid suspended 3 times you are immediately transferred to Red permanently. Do not pass go. Bye. Have fun. This hammer is coldly mediated. No petitions. No second chances. Exile.

Think of it as an instanced server for the trash to go wallow in. Their own personal toilet to be toxic to each other. People are tired of all of the pixel greed and item lust. It doesn't just hurt the raid scene, the mentality bleeds all over normal day to day play. Shit rolls downhill.

As has been seen, it's the ambiguity of what type of raiding scene the overlords want that to be honest has somewhat contributed to the current situation. Some people have told me they want cutthroat competition, but we've seen over and over throughout the years unclassic changes made to content in an effort to control the raid scene. None of it has worked. Bandaids that never addressed the real problem. The Culture and Mentality of a rotten playerbase at the very top.

I'm sure there are a few good people in these guilds, but they've done nothing to change the behavior of the people they are tagged with and have chosen to associate with them and perpetuate the cycle. Like the average German citizen during WW2.

They are not part of any solution and made their beds. They can sleep in them.

[conoutoftrol]

You're both wrong

This is best moment the beta server has had in a long time to break the cycle, purge the filth and usher in a new golden age of beta servering

Once these people are kicked off the box you then implement new raid rules that are very simple

If you're guild is raid suspended 3 times you are immediately transferred to Red permanently. Do not pass go. Bye. Have fun. This hammer is coldly mediated. No petitions. No second chances. Exile.

Think of it as an instanced server for the trash to go wallow in. Their own personal toilet to be toxic to each other. People are tired of all of the pixel greed and item lust. It doesn't just hurt the raid scene, the mentality bleeds all over normal day to day play. Shit rolls downhill.

As has been seen, it's the ambiguity of what type of raiding scene the overlords want that to be honest has somewhat contributed to the current situation. Some people have told me they want cutthroat competition, but we've seen over and over throughout the years unclassic changes made to content in an effort to control the raid scene. None of it has worked. Bandaids that never addressed the real problem. The Culture and Mentality of a rotten playerbase at the very top.

I'm sure there are a few good people in these guilds, but they've done nothing to change the behavior of the people they are tagged with and have chosen to associate with them and perpetuate the cycle. Like the average German citizen during WW2.

They are not part of any solution and made their beds. They can sleep in them.

Novel red recruiting strategy... sadly no one wants to play with you on red. just delete our characters instead ty.

[N0tClassic]

Novel red recruiting strategy... sadly no one wants to play with you on red. just delete our characters instead ty.

Red is a dead box

Has been that way for years

Being transferred there is obviously punishment

Nice try tho

[Arvan]

"Bush did p99 toxicity" solid 2nd place, nice!

[Hyjalx]

Blue server....what was once a great server is now trash. Straight up. Rooted dragons and FTE foot races implemented to help petitions and improve gameplay..........riiiiiiiiiight.

Mechanics implemented across both servers to prevent CSR involvement.... yet there is more CSR involvement than ever. BY FAR.

I find it hilarious that guilds are now being suspended for not working together... yet the mechanic changes still exist.

So exactly what was the purpose of rooting the dragons and FTE foot races again? Was it just designed to make this game better? Cause its doesn't.

The ONLY success rooted dragons and FTE foot races have brought to p99 blue is that it made Green much more appealing (for now) and it killed all the smaller raiding guilds (ie. playerbase).

I mean, lets face the facts. Blue isn't really Everquest anymore. It's just an over saturated, custom version of it.

Great job on the changes btw... They are really "working". Should have thought about this idea of making guilds work together before changing the mechanics to the game and ruining it.

[Hyjalx]

And ya, I'm a little salty about Lord BoB and open raiders and normal every day players being pushed out of ToV to cater to the small percentage of the population in the top 1-2 entities that can field 100+.

That's all these changes have done. It hurt the chances of anyone else ever competing or playing. It's not even a classic mechanic during this era whatsoever. This was never good for the server.

Yeah, the zone in pulls sucked, but that's for not enforcing north dragons to be killed in north.

[Maschenny]

And ya, I'm a little salty about Lord BoB and open raiders and normal every day players being pushed out of ToV to cater to the small percentage of the population in the top 1-2 entities that can field 100+.

That's all these changes have done. It hurt the chances of anyone else ever competing or playing. It's not even a classic mechanic during this era whatsoever. This was never good for the server.

Yeah, the zone in pulls sucked, but that's for not enforcing north dragons to be killed in north.

Why wasn't Lord Bob able to compete? you had numbers, you built bot infrastructure. what pushed you out? serious question.

[Ripqozko]

Why wasn't Lord Bob able to compete? you had numbers, you built bot infrastructure. what pushed you out? serious question.

Because he couldn't split trips

[Ennewi]

And ya, I'm a little salty about Lord BoB and open raiders and normal every day players being pushed out of ToV to cater to the small percentage of the population in the top 1-2 entities that can field 100+.

That's all these changes have done. It hurt the chances of anyone else ever competing or playing. It's not even a classic mechanic during this era whatsoever. I was never good for the server.

Yeah, the zone in pulls sucked, but that's for not enforcing north dragons to be killed in north.

Ftfy.

[Arvan]

And ya, I'm a little salty about Lord BoB and open raiders and normal every day players being pushed out of ToV to cater to the small percentage of the population in the top 1-2 entities that can field 100+.

That's all these changes have done. It hurt the chances of anyone else ever competing or playing. It's not even a classic mechanic during this era whatsoever. This was never good for the server.

Yeah, the zone in pulls sucked, but that's for not enforcing north dragons to be killed in north.

What in tarnation. . .

[Molitoth]

Because x4 DA pulling dragons to ToV zone in for 100+ people to login for a batphone and circle push a mob was SOOOOOOO Classic.

Nobody ever dungeon crawled on Live.

[Hotel]

idk why the hate for lord bob

at least his fucking pug force had a dagarn mage

more then all of you in kittens can say

[Arvan]

idk why the hate for lord bob

at least his fucking pug force had a dagarn mage

more then all of you in kittens can say

Laughed IRL

[feniin]

idk why the hate for lord bob

at least his fucking pug force had a dagarn mage

more then all of you in kittens can say

Who needs a Dagarn mage when you get dragons uncontested because Freedom is full of mouth breathers?

[Hotel]

Who needs a Dagarn mage when you get dragons uncontested because Freedom is full of mouth breathers?

happy Halloween

[Ripqozko]

Who needs a Dagarn mage when you get dragons uncontested because Freedom is full of mouth breathers?

Riot toxicity

[keawynn]

And ya, I'm a little salty about Lord BoB and open raiders and normal every day players being pushed out of ToV to cater to the small percentage of the population in the top 1-2 entities that can field 100+.

That's all these changes have done. It hurt the chances of anyone else ever competing or playing. It's not even a classic mechanic during this era whatsoever. This was never good for the server.

Yeah, the zone in pulls sucked, but that's for not enforcing north dragons to be killed in north.

There has literally always been server rules both in classic and on p99 about zone disruption, IDK how they were allowed to literally train dragons to zone in and act like "The only solution here is guild agreements and if that doesn't work we will be forced to root the dragons" Woulda been nice to see them just enforce already existing rulesets pertaining to zone disruption and ban people for training zone-in. They're off @ Microcenter buying a whole new power supply because they don't realize the one they got is just unplugged.

[feniin]

Riot toxicity

qq warder loot no mage epic mad bad sad

[Ripqozko]

qq warder loot no mage epic mad bad sad

Riot toxicity, this why you can’t raid

[feniin]

Riot toxicity, this why you can’t raid

I'm raiding just fine? There's more than one way to skin a cat.

[keawynn]

People train a whole zone through the whole zone on this server and act like it shouldn't be reviewed for zone disruption so long as nobody got hurt.

[Ripqozko]

I'm raiding just fine? There's more than one way to skin a cat.

On p99 blue? Want to make sure you are saying you are dodging the raid ban.

[feniin]

On p99 blue? Want to make sure you are saying you are dodging the raid ban.

Can't dodge something that doesn't affect you :confused:

[Ripqozko]

Can't dodge something that doesn't affect you :confused:

You are riot

[feniin]

You are riot

When was the last time you saw Plinki on p99? :cool:

[Ripqozko]

When was the last time you saw Plinki on p99? :cool:

Well I been gone like half a year, apparently long enough if ya left.

[Vianna]

There has literally always been server rules both in classic and on p99 about zone disruption, IDK how they were allowed to literally train dragons to zone in and act like "The only solution here is guild agreements and if that doesn't work we will be forced to root the dragons" Woulda been nice to see them just enforce already existing rulesets pertaining to zone disruption and ban people for training zone-in. They're off @ Microcenter buying a whole new power supply because they don't realize the one they got is just unplugged.

My guild pulled dragons to zone in area back in Velious era EQ. So you are wrong.

[Domni]

AG

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HimQtd_QDo_b_izOy1oO0TG7f3R4EpwPeKpHL7Hf21o/edit?userstoinvite=octaveous1215%40gmail.com&ts=5f95d4be&actionButton=1#

Riot

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1g5vk0X4CBeDFbeJLRDmZQUR0wqmDx2x8LP7df6EQeIs/edit

Freedom

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yAakK5B2iXbMksnoo0fsHTP0lTYLdQhB_Juwpa4TpoY/edit

Discuss :D

Naw, In addition to the court system, the correct proposal also needs to include conditions for medicaid for back, butt and hand/arm issues due to constant poopsocking, insurance claims against liable parties that caused the former, ptsd therapy for the tryhards that lose a court debate and free education classes on raid rules to be held by the lead guilds every Monday.