Shaman pets are incorrectly gaining triple attack

[DMN]

[Thu Sep 10 22:18:05 2020] A froglok guk shaman pet bites YOU for 21 points of damage.
[Thu Sep 10 22:18:05 2020] A froglok guk shaman pet bites YOU for 39 points of damage.
[Thu Sep 10 22:18:05 2020] A froglok guk shaman pet bites YOU for 34 points of damage.

[Dolalin]

That's dual wield + double attack roll

[DMN]

If it was dual wield you'd see them quading every so often. I've never seen that happened.Additionally they aren't supposed to dual wield in the first place.

[Dolalin]

Their skill isn't high enough to double-attack in the offhand, that's the simple answer. You need offhand double-attack to get quads.

Below that skill level you will occasionally see dual-wield plus primary-hand double attack, so triples. That's what this is.

Source: 60 levels of warrior

[DMN]

in either case it's incorrect.

[Dolalin]

Why is it incorrect? Shaman pets are warriors, they get double attack and dual wield. Having both of those skills, a triple is always possible no matter your level.

[DMN]

Why is it incorrect? Shaman pets are warriors, they get double attack and dual wield. Having both of those skills, a triple is always possible no matter your level.

Because they cant equip a weapon. Only a monk can dual wield without a weapon.

[Dolalin]

Pets of a high enough level dual wield without needing weapons. I'd wager a guk shaman's pet is high enough for that.

[DMN]

Pets of a high enough level dual wield without needing weapons. I'd wager a guk shaman's pet is high enough for that.

Pets that inherently can equip weapons are the only ones that should be getting automatic dual wield.

[Dolalin]

Well it looks like you might be onto something. What I'm seeing so far from the newsgroups is that Shaman pets didn't dual wield.


5/5/00

: Our 49 pet is five levels lower than the necro's 49 pet, and only
: hits for seven less max damage. Level is a major part of it, but
: damage matters too.

Yes it does. The necro pet dual wields. The shaman pet does not
so the damage margin is a bit wider than 7 points.

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.games.everquest/98xbrPzQqYI/tqPScBZQ4PgJ



7/31/00

> Now why does the level 60 shadowknight pet (AKA the L44 necro pet) do the
> same damage as the 55 shaman pet, WITHOUT dual wielding?

Because the level 55 Shaman pet *is* a level 44 Necro pet.

Without Dual Wield.

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.games.everquest/i_7HBf3xJZw/d1Cd-DTnOykJ



3/1/01

> If the shaman pet works like the necro one,

They don't. Dogs don't dual wield :(

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.games.everquest/iWWzDLVcHuw/b75hdiB29cUJ



2/22/00

Necro pets get dual wield at 29. I'm not sure when magician pets
get it. Shaman pets don't get it at all.

All pets get double attack.

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.games.everquest/fmXRaDSTFto/pYqmFDDj-UUJ

[Dolalin]

EQshaman.com guide, capture date 24 January, 2001:


Whilst our pets are relatively low level they hit fast and double attack aswell (they never duel wield).

http://web.archive.org/web/20010124235200/http://eqshaman.com/guides/pet_info.html

[Izmael]

Their skill isn't high enough to double-attack in the offhand, that's the simple answer. You need offhand double-attack to get quads.

First time I ever hear this.

It's my understand you can quad as soon as you both get DW and DA, just the chance of it is quite low, as you need to succeed the mainhand DA roll, the DW roll, and the offhand DA roll. If they are all tough rolls of like < 30%, you will rarely quad, but still quad sometimes.

Also if you filter misses, you'll probably barely ever see them in the chat window until your skill and luck gets high enough to ALSO actually LAND each of the 4 hits.

[Dolalin]

First time I ever hear this.

It's my understand you can quad as soon as you both get DW and DA, just the chance of it is quite low, as you need to succeed the mainhand DA roll, the DW roll, and the offhand DA roll. If they are all tough rolls of like < 30%, you will rarely quad, but still quad sometimes.

Also if you filter misses, you'll probably barely ever see them in the chat window until your skill and luck gets high enough to ALSO actually LAND each of the 4 hits.

On a warrior you need a skill of at least 150 in double-attack to double-attack in the offhand. That's what gets you quads.

For pets and NPCs it might just be a function of level in the db and what skills they're assigned when. I haven't checked on eqemu.

But anyways from what I'm seeing, shammy pets never got dual-wield in era. That would logically apply to NPC shaman pets unless there was some special coding I'm unaware of (always possible).

Shaman pets on live did eventually get the ability to equip weapons (I see references to this starting in 2003), which would let them dual wield, but never in-era.

[Baler]

shaman pet's are not triple attacking.
source: 2 level 60 shaman on blue.

[Izmael]

I just parsed my monk's logs and indeed, the first time a quad got succesfully issued was shortly after my DA skill hit 150. I stand corrected..

[DMN]

shaman pet's are not triple attacking.
source: 2 level 60 shaman on blue.

So maybe this is only a green thing? I dunno. Don't have a high level sham n ither. Bu they are either DWing or trip attacking on green, which is a bug.

[Sabin76]

Could it be a client/server timing issue? I swear I've seen my mage pet hit 5 or 6 times on rare occasion, but there seemed to be longer pauses in between than they should.

Edit: and yes, I checked that a bash/kick wasn't in there.

[DMN]

Could it be a client/server timing issue? I swear I've seen my mage pet hit 5 or 6 times on rare occasion, but there seemed to be longer pauses in between than they should.

Edit: and yes, I checked that a bash/kick wasn't in there.

Pretty sure the answer is ot because of the timestamps. The times of everything are based on the servers packets being sent to you.

[Sabin76]

Ok, didn't know how the client/server decided the timestamps to display.

[nilbog]

Is there any actual proof shaman pets are dual wielding in game on p99?

The code for pets is kinda jumbled. Might be somewhere else but I'm not seeing it.

[DMN]

Proof they are DWing? Nope. But certainly enough proof something funky is going on regarding them getting additonal attacks. It seems I wasn't the first to notice this on green and thankfully its a player and not an NPC pet this time:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=348461&highlight=triple

[Dolalin]

Some innate ability flag could be set on the pet in the db, and is being rolled against its skill, which might just be so low that it only happens once in a blue moon.

(random scenario my brain came up with just now)