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Vsai

09-01-2020, 01:49 AM

It does appear that Lyendlln's Lute was in era for our timeline.

If you go to the follow link you will see "[IMG] Lyendlns_Lute.jpg 21-Feb-2001 16:38 53k "

http://web.archive.org/web/20010609232658im_/http://everquest.allakhazam.com/equipment/graphics15/

Stats provided here.

http://web.archive.org/web/20010804051928im_/http://everquest.allakhazam.com/equipment/graphics15/Lyendlns_Lute.jpg

Feb 21st 2001 puts it 2 months after Velious launch date so it is not from the revamp.

Tudar

10-19-2020, 10:41 AM

bumping for visibility - need more droppable lutes!

nilbog

12-11-2020, 01:19 PM

This item already has the chance to drop.

Vsai

12-11-2020, 06:21 PM

There must be a bug somewhere then. This is a fairly common tradable lute that has never been seen on the forums here or sales history ever. The big SG farmers have never seen it I checked with them before posting. Something is up. Only mentions of it at all are threads bug reporting it, asking if it exists, and one WTB thread(if it does exist).

nilbog

12-13-2020, 04:03 AM

Got a chance to look into this further; you are correct. The item can drop, yes, but the npc that can drop it does not spawn - Mistress Latazura.

I believe this is part of a missing sirens grotto revamp that needs more discussion and research.

Ennewi

12-13-2020, 06:13 AM

https://everquest.allakhazam.com/history/patches-2001-1.html
https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=211589

09-19-2015, 05:59 PM
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Dec 2000, Velious launch

FEBRUARY 2, 2001

Update: We also made several changes to Siren's Grotto to address player concerns with the difficulty of the zone

from JUNE 27, 2001

Sirens Grotto has been changed a bit. It should be a more interesting zone now.

Lyendlln's Lute

https://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=4896

Latazura
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#Nov 13 2001 at 6:04 PMRating: Excellent
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This lute dropped off Mistress Latazura twice for us last night on Tunare server. We killed her once and she almost immediately repopped.

Ishtarra Gemeinseele
Warlock of Tunare

https://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/npc.html?id=7008&p=2#comments

Twice Last Night
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#Nov 13 2001 at 6:02 PMRating: Decent
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She spawned for us twice...once right after the other. She dropped the bard lute both times. Once she dropped the 60th Wizzie Ice Spear spell. We had three groups 50+, heavily weighted 55+. She was cake for us. Our 60th SK puller was awesome and broke a very difficult room that she spawned in.

Ishtarra Gemeinseele
Warlock of Tunare

Dead, drop a bow
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#Nov 17 2001 at 11:22 PMRating: Decent
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We killed her some days ago, one group of level 60's.
Shaman (me), chanter, warrior, rogue, cleric, and druid.
She droped a bow, cant remember name since the war got it, it has something like 175 or 180 range, and a proc, a nice bow for sure.

Xion (60 Iksar shaman) <Northern Lights>
Antonious Bayle Server.

Gloomwater Bow

https://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=6304

Dropped from
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#Jul 12 2001 at 12:51 PMRating: Default
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We had this drop the other day from Mistress Latazyra (Mistress PMS) She also dropped a runed sea shell (EB) which is used for the 7th shawl quest, and a quest gem for INT caster robe. She also dropped a black sapphire I believe.

We had 3 groups to drop her and we lost a total of 2 I think from the battle, 1 was the 59 Enc that tash'd her (dead instantly Go Adjani! =P) and I think a ranger. The battle lasted awhile because she cast Forlorn Deeds on most of the melee and that can put a damper on your plans. All total we lost about 4-5 because no one was able to stun at the end and she gated and brought back all her castle friends (2 sirens 1 icy servent and 1 watery servent).

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Embrace of the Kelpmaiden

Decrease Movement by 40% (L1)

Resistance Check: Magic + 25

Spell Duration: Unknown
Duration Formula: 2

Spell cast on you: You are snared by vines of kelp.
Spell cast on someone: Soandso has been snared by vines of kelp.
Spell fades: You break free of the kelp.

RE: no pallys
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#Jul 07 2001 at 2:34 AMRating: Default
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A magic resist based snare is quite crappy :) If you are a ranger, go ahead and get the bow from gleed instead (it procs a 81pt DD, great for bow kiting and can be quested for, or you can camp gleed for it). Rangers need bows that proc DD's or other extra damage spells, not something that procs a crappy snare :)

I could see this bow being useful for a soloing warrior - or more than likely, being worn for the resistances on it. Other than that its really a toy. :)

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#Jul 05 2001 at 5:33 PMRating: Decent
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is a 40% snare magic based snare.

Dunno
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I don't know, but 170 range is good. The veluim recurves coming out of DN are like 30 37 100/150 range and are tradeable. This is a nice bow. Sounds like a snare/root proc to me.

Vsai

12-13-2020, 06:46 AM

This should also be a trash drop. As for the date the item picture upload was handled the same day as all of the other sg loot we currently see. Both horns both drums ect. Date is February so it would not be from the revamp.

Vsai

12-13-2020, 07:35 AM

Sol invictus of bristlebane was the source for all the original sg loot images on allakazams file servers. They were all uploaded in the first 7 weeks of velious. Mistress doesn't appear to be in game when lute was dropping and no mention on the names ever dropping it that were in game at launch so it must have been a siren trash drop.

Ennewi

12-13-2020, 12:58 PM

The items in question were placed on a siren coercer's loot table after the 2003 revamp, which may be why people assumed they weren't classic items as it isn't a classic NPC.

New drops..more coming!
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I am currently working my way around SG and clearing to find new mobs and new drops. here is the zone info I can tell you.
A SIREN COERCER:
As far as I can tell this mob only spawns in the hanging bridge tower. I cleared here for 4 hours and got her 6 times. Seductress also spawned here. Coercer dropped the lute and the EB arms.
A SIREN TEMPTRESS
I got this mob once on every spawn cycle clearing the small castle (the one that is near the hanging bridges area.

Revamp Info's ...
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#Sep 07 2003 at 3:00 AMRating: Excellent
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After a bit of poking around in my favorite Velious zone I thought I'd post the new stuff I've came across ..

New Mobs: Deadly Siren, Siren Coercer, Siren Mymirdon, Massive Walrus and Massive Manatee
.... All the above except the siren mymirdon are named and drop loots ....

Also, the "entralled ulthork" (old mob new model) has the model for the GD bear's, and drops a descent face slot, also a all/all 2hb 32/35 w/ stats and around 0.4 weight (2hb is rarer) ..

The Siren Coercer now drop's the 3ac 10str EB arms, Lyndlen's Lute (sp?) and that suck 25/50 war/rng NO DROP bow

Ennewi

12-13-2020, 01:16 PM

http://brisk555666.tripod.com/id7.html

Sunday, November 04, 2001

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Lute
Lute of the Gypsy Princess
[MAGIC] Adds 5% to Stringed songs
Lute of the Howler
[MAGIC] Werewolf Illusion Lute Self: Change Form(Werewolf); Self: Faction Modifier(Werewolf);
Self: Increase ATK(45-61), Attack Speed (40%); Self: Increase STR(23-30) Effect: Illusion: Werewolf
Lyendlln's Lute
[LORE] [MAGIC] AC+10 HP+25
Lyran's Mystical Lute
CHA+15 DEX+10 INT+10 STR+10

https://eq.magelo.com/item/24723

Lyendlln's Lute
Magic, Lore
Class: BRD
Race: ALL
Primary, Secondary

Size:MEDIUM AC: 10
Weight: 5.0 HP: 25

Stringed Instrument: 24
Slot 1, type 7 (General: Group): empty
Effect: String Resonance 14 ()
Item summary
Id : 24723

Lore : Lute of the Sirens

Type : Stringed Instrument (not stackable)

Initial entry : 10/14/01 8:00 PM
Last updated : 4/20/20 4:42 PM

https://eq.magelo.com/item/24744

Gloomwater Bow
Magic, Lore, No Trade
Class: WAR RNG
Race: ALL
Range

Size:MEDIUM Base Dmg: 25
Weight: 5.0 Delay: 55
Skill:Archery Range: 170

Magic: 4
Fire: 4
Cold: 4
Disease: 4
Poison: 4
Slot 1, type 4 (Weapon: General): empty
Slot 2, type 20 (Weapon Ornamentation): empty
Effect: Embrace of the Kelpmaiden (Combat)
Item summary
Id : 24744

Lore : Estrella's Bow

Type : Archery (not stackable)

Initial entry : 9/13/01 8:00 PM
Last updated : 4/22/20 4:44 PM

Vsai

12-13-2020, 11:22 PM

Seems like we need to shift to what trash mobs were dropping lutes, because they were clearly dropping on release velious. Seems very likely it would share a table with the bard horns but it would be nice to get a reference for Nilbog to work off of.

Ennewi

12-14-2020, 01:27 AM

Vsai

12-14-2020, 05:12 PM

Looks like trash didnt drop it as of sept 2001, loot tables were posted in illia's npc entries. Mistress should be in game and dropping lute as her common drop. She had some sort of a rapid respawn mechanic which would explain why I saw archived sales entries in the 100-150pp range. Mistress should be in game. Nilbog is right this is part of a much larger revamped-sg conversation. Mistress looks like she was in game May 10th(earliest entry I found). While lute was definitely dropping from something else until that point I see no mention of what it was. Since we are past that point in the timeline it appears adding Mistress is the fix. (http://web.archive.org/web/20010814093451im_/http://everquest.allakhazam.com/equipment/graphics15/sleeves_kelpmaiden.jpg) Upload date 10-May-2001 18:01 28k

Ennewi

02-09-2022, 04:39 PM

https://web.archive.org/web/20010224161753/http://everquest.allakhazam.com:80/

February 21, 2001

I'm sure the message boards willing be humming after todays patch. If you haven't read it, they have it posted at caster's realm. There are some interesting changes.

New Equipment: Rowyl's Chestguard of Nature ; Lyendlln's Lute ; Resonant Greaves ; Grand Master's Arm Wraps ; Shroud of the Dar Brood ; Wolves Eye Necklace ; Imbued Cabilis Scale Mantle ; Wurm Tendon Whip ;
Updated Quests: Druid Velium Tunic ; Bard's Velium Greaves ; Monk Velium Sleeves ;

https://web.archive.org/web/20010417042312/http://eqdb.allakhazam.com:80/itemzone.html?zone=122

04:23:12 Apr 17, 2001

Items by Zone

Item Stats Classes How/Where Level
Ancient Fishing Pole +75 Hit Points All Classes Multiple Creatures 50
Ancient Seahorse Hide Cloak +20 AC +25 Hit Points Ra Sm C P Sk B Mk Ro Wr Multiple Creatures 50
Drums of the Beast B Multiple Creatures 50
Immaculate Shell Horn -8 Strength +15 Charisma B Multiple Creatures 50
Lyendlln's Lute +10 AC +25 Hit Points B Multiple Creatures 50
Neriad Shawl +2 AC -10 Strength -8 Stamina +5 Agility +10 Intelligence +25 Charisma +5 Cold Resist E B Multiple Creatures 55
Netted Kelp Amice +5 AC +4 Strength +4 Stamina +3 Intelligence -4 Charisma +10 Fire Resist All Classes Multiple Creatures 50
Netted Kelp Cap +5 AC +7 Strength +8 Stamina +5 Intelligence -2 Charisma +3 Fire Resist All Classes Multiple Creatures 50
Netted Kelp Cloak +6 AC +2 Strength +8 Stamina +3 Intelligence -3 Charisma +5 Fire Resist All Classes Multiple Creatures 50
Netted Kelp Gloves +5 AC +4 Strength +6 Stamina +5 Intelligence -4 Charisma +10 Fire Resist All Classes Multiple Creatures 50
Netted Kelp Lined Shoes +5 AC +1 Strength +14 Stamina +4 Intelligence -8 Charisma +4 Fire Resist All Classes Multiple Creatures 50
Netted Kelp Pantaloons +6 AC +6 Strength +8 Stamina +6 Intelligence -8 Charisma +10 Fire Resist All Classes Multiple Creatures 50
Netted Kelp Sash +5 AC +6 Strength +3 Stamina +5 Intelligence -2 Charisma +8 Fire Resist All Classes Multiple Creatures 50
Netted Kelp Sleeves +5 AC +6 Strength +2 Dexterity +6 Intelligence -2 Charisma +10 Fire Resist All Classes Multiple Creatures 50
Netted Kelp Tunic +13 AC +5 Strength +10 Stamina +10 Intelligence -10 Charisma +20 Fire Resist All Classes Multiple Creatures 50
Ornately Runed Shell Necklace All Classes Multiple Creatures 50
Seahorse Spine Bracelet +8 AC +5 Strength +5 Agility +10 Charisma Ra Sm D C P Sk B Mk Ro Wr Multiple Creatures
Spined Seahorse Hide Breastplate +29 AC +15 Dexterity +50 Hit Points Wr Ro B Sk P C Sm Ra Multiple Creatures 50
Walrus Fang Belt +15 AC +50 Hit Points All Classes Multiple Creatures 50
Walrus Skin Drum B Multiple Creatures 50
Wavecrasher Dmg 9, Dly 19. +5 AC +9 Agility Wr Ro B Sk P Ra Multiple Creatures 50

Ennewi

02-09-2022, 04:55 PM

FYI for anyone researching while at work: Googling "Mistress Latazura" is entirely safe, but "Mistress Ltazura" and other variations will result in NSFW images.

Ennewi

03-04-2022, 06:16 PM

https://web.archive.org/web/20040928132945/http://eqcleric.gameglow.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-10883.html

Viscera
08-10-2001, 04:51 PM
Some named info...

Helena Mistweaver. Spawns in the tower, yellow at L60. Casts cleric spells, including CH. Has a lot of HP, not sure of max hit, but its below 300. Not really that difficult, if you can get slow in. Drops the Siren Hair Earring, Bowl of Watery Protection, and something else I don't know of.

Shimmering Servant (or similar). Spawns in any Icy servant spot inzone (so I've heard). Not that hard from what I remember, similar to a regular Icy. Drops Wavecrasher, Drums of the Beast, and Shield of the Tsunami.

Mistress Latazura. She is a badass, maxes for 360 or so, and casts cleric spells. She is red at L60. Need to stick slow, or you will have big problems. Drops Lyendlln's Lute (only killed her once).

All the above mobs were killed with 1 group (including Latazura), which included, Warrior, Enchanter, Rogue, Monk, Cleric, Druid. Everyone was 60 except the monk, druid and rogue. Once we stuck slow on Latazura she was pretty easy. You DO need the chanter to mana suck the two named sirens, as they can gate at times. Second time we pulled Latazura, slow wore off mid-battle, and we then got promptly owned.

(edit) - The two named sirens spawn in the tower to the right of the CS zone, the named servant also happened to spawn (for us) in that tower as well.

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Viscera Galen
L60 High Priest of Brell
Xegony

[This message has been edited by Viscera (edited 08-12-2001).]

Some general changes were noted following the zonewide nerf...

Jubal
06-29-2001, 11:07 AM
I didn't have time to check out the whole zone, but from what I saw:

- The zone in now has one mob instead of three

- HP, AC, and resistances of mobs have been dropped across the board. HPs are still fairly high though. Seahorses were the only mobs we found that had high magic resist but they were still mezzable. Everything was slowable.

- I've been told that the zone XP modifier has been raised significantly to account for the fact it is a largely underwater zone. The people I was with, ranging from level 56 to 58, seemed satisfied with the xp that was gained there.

Don't be fooled into taking this zone lightly though, it is still an area for 55+, though now you can do it with one group instead of needing two. There's also a boss mob around, red to our level 58 tracker, in the castle area to the right of zone.

Still no info on which NPC(s) dropped the lute before the introduction of Latazura.

Vsai

10-06-2022, 08:34 PM

https://web.archive.org/web/20020305145603/http://forums.castersrealm.com/cgi-bin/eq/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=267&t=000001

Caster's Realm Forums post dated December 10 2000 on his initial impressions of Siren's Grotto. He gives a detailed accounting which includes..

https://i.imgur.com/8APkjm5.png

This would have been release velious only 5 days in with Mistress being in the zone. What was dropping the items that we couldnt find a source for is in fact the Mistress.

Tigerstyle Wutangfist

10-09-2022, 01:11 AM

This seems like the important part of this post

Drums of the Beast B Multiple Creatures 50

Drums need to drop from more than just shimmering seems like?

Underlord

11-15-2022, 02:08 PM

Vsai

12-10-2022, 01:01 PM

This should have everything it needs to be put in.

Seiter02

01-16-2023, 10:27 PM

Vsai

01-17-2023, 01:37 PM

As much as I would love to see this mob in game, I believe she was added later sadly. The "mistress" Caud is referring to in era is actually Helsia Mindreaver, as is clear by his description of Castle, which is directly right from the entrance and whom is very hard to get solo. Latazura is much further in SG in the tunnels below temple and it seems likely he would have desribed temple, and the long path to L if that's what he was actually referring to.

I dont buy that the term Mistress was used to describe Helsa Mindreaver. Mistress was in her location of course on launch Velious based on his statements. The rework likely moved her later on to the spawn point below the temple.

Seiter02

01-17-2023, 03:25 PM

I dont buy that the term Mistress was used to describe Helsa Mindreaver. Mistress was in her location of course on launch Velious based on his statements. The rework likely moved her later on to the spawn point below the temple.

Apologies, actually I think you are correct on this, after more thoroughly reviewing the details in this thread and others. The additional combat description here: https://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/npc.html?id=7008&p=2#comments is clearly talking about castle, which is consistent with Caud's comment. I can show some screenshots that make this clear if it's useful to GM's.

So vague timeline is:

dec 5 - velious launch
dec 11 2000 - caud describing named mistress - https://i.imgur.com/8APkjm5.png
feb 21 2001 - clear evidence describing the instrument exists and people discussing - https://web.archive.org/web/20010710200356/http://eqdb.allakhazam.com/item.html?item=4896
nov 13 2001 - still fighting mistress in castle, description is consistent with the difficulty of pulling her - https://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/npc.html?id=7008&p=2#comments

So I think this is definitely correct and in era. Wonderful find!

The only remaining question I think is still the relationship with Helsia. It's clear Helsia was around in 2002 and even then there was some question around whether she was a PH for Mistress L. and then she was promptly removed in 2003 revamp. See https://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/npc.html?id=10212 specifically "It seems she is the PH of Mistress Latazura. She drops the BP/robe gems for armor quest too."

Seiter02

01-17-2023, 03:28 PM

Do we have any evidence that Helsia is actually in era? Is it possible Mistress L. should simply replace her?

Vsai

01-17-2023, 03:57 PM

"Took about 6 deaths but i found out, if there is a full spawn in the tower you can single pull this guys with 0 to 1 add. Being a pally my pull spell is cease. I stood between the 2 icys at the entrane door to the tower and popped her from across the room. ran down the ramp in the tower that drops into the water and did not stop till i was at the zone out and i stopped."

Was still in tower June 19, 2002. https://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/npc.html?id=7008&p=2#comments

100% She is a tower mob in our timeline where helsa is.

Seiter02

01-17-2023, 05:51 PM

"I stood between the 2 icys at the entrance door to the tower"

20395

"ran down the ramp in the tower that drops into the water"

20398

Helsia also exhibits very strange behavior by spawning in 2 different spots instead of one.

20402
20403

I believe they are both in era, here is some discussion on the Bowl (which only drops from Helsia) in April 2001 here: https://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=5775

TLDR; Both in era, Helsia perhaps currently incorrectly occupying both spawn spots.

Vsai

01-17-2023, 06:17 PM

Helsia is in era based on what I'm seeing.

Helsia Mindrever Reply... By: gkwey,
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Posted @ Tue, Nov 20th 12:20 PM 2001 Score: Decent[3.00]
This item was dropped last night by Helsia Mindreaver also.

Possibly just at the very end of timeline.

What IS in era dropping "Bowl of Watery Protection" is Elna Kelpweaver who also drops siren hair locket, siren hair earring, spells 55+, and bp gems.

https://web.archive.org/web/20011226075441/http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com:80/search.shtml?zone=122

This is December 2001 no Helzia.

I started by assuming Bowl was a unique drop. Did searches on it, checked comments. Looked for dates the items from Mistress and Helzia were added and I found an issue. Bowl of Watery Protection was added early Velious.

I pulled up bestiaries for the zones and found no Helzia, but what I did find was Elna Kelpweaver. Which was in game and dropping Bowl.

https://web.archive.org/web/20020828160119/http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?id=7014

I also found information that Helzia in 2003 was spawning at any location a siren could spawn. And another person confirming she was not a PH.

She is not the PH for Mistress Latazura. She spawned in place of a normal siren, and not in the spot where Mistress Latazura normally spawns.

Vsai

01-17-2023, 06:37 PM

First person to post Helsia in Illia's SG page. While the first comment about Helsia I see is Nov 20 2001, the first reference to her on Illia's is March 2002.

As for Elna spawn location: Took a group to the well and she spawned at the top of the stair case in the well.

another named Reply... By: Anonymous
Posted @ Fri, Mar 8th 4:10 AM 2002 Score: Default[2.00]
We just finished up in SG tonight and found another named mob right near the Mistress. Her name started w/ a Hel___ something. Conned level 60. Dropped a bow 25/55 war/rang effect: sirens embrace (or something like that). We determined this is a type of snare effect.

https://web.archive.org/web/20020811204440/http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com:80/search.shtml?zone=122

Seiter02

01-17-2023, 07:03 PM

Elna Kelpweaver is already in game on P99 and I have killed her.

This is the well they are referencing

20405

Here is the staircase leading up

20406

And here is where Elna spawns.

20407

In the times I have killed her, she has dropped nothing besides normal siren loot.

Seiter02

01-17-2023, 07:10 PM

TLDR; Helsia shouldn't exist until Nov 2001, bowl of watery protection should be on Elna, and Mistress L should be in the spot Helsia currently is

Vsai

01-17-2023, 08:32 PM

The plot thickens: Fellspine appears to have stopped spawning by Sept 2001

Posted @ Sun, Sep 23rd 3:34 AM 2001 Score: Good[4.00]
My group have been farming Fellspine for months now and since last patch he haven't been spawning anymore. It is highly possible that Fellspine have been removed. It used to spawn below the tower connected by 3 bridges. There is an alcove underwater where a single seahorse is parked there. Very prominent so you can't miss it.

Will need additional research. Found another comment with the same thing...

The story so far:

Elna...

In January/February 2002 Elna's loot included the Bowl of Watery Protection, Siren hair Earring, Siren Hair Locket, BP Gems, 55+ spells. Reportedly a rare spawn that takes 5 days to get. This Mob should be in the game from the Velious release until after the project's timeline. The spawn location has it near the "well" that Prismatica pointed to as its current spawn point, so I think that nearly matches classic comments.

Misstress should be in the game where Helsia is currently spawning. Her drops include Sleeves of the Kelpmaindens, Gloomwater Bow, Lyendlln's Lute, plus BP gems, 55+ spells. It should have a rapid respawn mechanic where upon death it will respawn very quickly sometimes, 50% chance to respawn on death or something.

Helsia: nov 19, 2001 is the Earliest reference I can find for her existing. Judgement call from Devs as to where the project timeline ends. If she is in the game, she is spawning near Misstress.

Rygar

01-18-2023, 01:10 AM

Still mention of drop as of early September 2001, which contradicts the 'months of farming' they spent trying to get him to spawn. Saw some mention of his PH could get stuck, wouldn't get past something like him spawning under world for a time and suiciding 32k on spawn like that one WW dragon did for a while in classic.

Would need more evidence to remove I think, tons of people were confused on where to find him even with people describing where to farm.

https://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=5564#m100034330457787
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Uhhh .. I'm not in an Uber guild and we got this just the other day. We got it off of Felspine who isn't really all that hard. Seems a bit tougher than the other sea horses there. We did this with two groups. Sure most of us were 55+ but that still doesn't mean we are in an Uber guild.

And for that matter it doesnt' take an Uber guild to do all these dragons. It just takes a bit of strategy.. some high lvls.. decent gear and teamwork. We have over 30 people easy who are 55+ and we could do Trak with that. I've seen him done with far fewer than 30.. I think I heard the fewest amount was 18 ppl.

Edit: Maybe i misunderstood original poster, saying they have been successfully farming for several months and as of last patch (which would be 9/11/2001) he hasn't seen him spawn since. Will keep on my radar

Seiter02

01-18-2023, 11:17 AM

Vsai

01-18-2023, 03:21 PM

I recommend you make another post if you want to talk about Felspine as it might muddy the discussion and delay any updates to the lute and ML, which I think are very well established in this thread.

Unless the purpose of this thread is the entirety of the SG state on p99, in which case there are many other items we would want to include.

I found 3 posts stating it was being farmed past our timeline by a few months, so there is no need for another thread. It wasn't removed in the project's timeline. I think we have all the bases covered to move forward.

Ennewi

03-17-2023, 01:45 PM

https://web.archive.org/web/20010619171222/http://www.attcanada.net/~reaper/index.html

February 21th, 2001

Added Lyendiln's Lute to the Music Room. You guys better get your guilds to Siren's Grotto, there's about 4 or 5 nice instruments that have dropped in there now!
A new song has been added to EQ, and the Songs page, it's called Cassindra's Chant of Thought, and it's found in the East Commons Tunnel on a new vendor, near the Shady Swashbuckler.

Jomar

01-27-2025, 06:18 AM

TLDR; Helsia shouldn't exist until Nov 2001, bowl of watery protection should be on Elna, and Mistress L should be in the spot Helsia currently is

Not sure if it was stealth patched at some point, but FWIW I saw Elna holding a bowl on Blue a few weeks back.

I do think the easiest solution is to just outright replace one of Helsia's spawn points in the keep/castle with Mistress Latazura. It might not necessarily be what it was during "classic", but it would get some of the SG items in the game that should be in classic (and The Behemoth's are also currently missing (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=421576)).

TAKP has Mistress (https://www.takproject.net/allaclone/npc.php?id=125006) at (-585, -278, -28) and Helsia ("https://www.takproject.net/allaclone/npc.php?id=125004) at (-522, -306, -52)- which would put the Mistress in the Helsia spawn point where she's standing with another siren I think.

For more reinforcement- Here's a May 2001 post from Alla about the Sleeves of the Kelpmaidens mentioning them dropping from Mistress
https://i.imgur.com/THzYCDt.png

Here's a June 2001 archive from EQ'Lizer of the same sleeves being explicitly stated as dropping from Mistress-
https://i.imgur.com/38pjlrX.png

And then we have a Feb 2001 archive from EQ'Lizer, as well as a Mar 2001 archive from EQ'Lizer with screenshots of the Lute and Bow (items that have previously been shown as dropping from Mistress in other posts)-
https://i.imgur.com/TkH9Q3X.png
https://i.imgur.com/gIdCPBi.png

Cloak of the Seacaller should likely be on her drop table as well, as the listing has been around on Alla since Fall 2001 but I'm too lazy to look up more details. One of the replies in 2002 does mention it in her drop table at that point-
https://i.imgur.com/FvdOwGP.png

Passenger

04-25-2025, 12:09 AM

Feb 2001 reference to Helsia Mindreaver (short video clip, not captured):
- https://web.archive.org/web/20010620111001/http://www.eqraid.org:80/cgi-bin/news/viewnews.cgi?newsall
Clan Icewind had a little fun in Siren's Grotto and Slain Servellious and Talendore! See some of the pictures and movies (about 2 megs each): Sev fight, Sev dies, SG#1, SG#2, SG#3, SG#4, Helsia Mindreaver dies, graphic bug.

March 2001 diary of a Siren's Grotto raid:
- https://web.archive.org/web/20050114224227/http://www.kyoto.zaq.ne.jp/makoto/200103.htm
3月17日

Siren's Grottに行って来ました。
はじめての攻略と言うこともあり、右も左もわからない状態ですが、Nearly　Lvl60の 4Party
で攻めてきいました。
感じ的にはKKの上位番といった感じです。
タツノオトシゴ、鮫、Water Elemental、Sirenが主なMobです。
タツノオトシゴと鮫はMezもDDもはいり、それほど強くない感じですが、Water ElementalはMez
は入る物の、AE Dispellを使用してきます。SirenはLvl54 Mezなら入るらしいのですが、Resiは
高いようです。

注意点としては、PETがなかなか言うことを聞かず、MobのCastに反応して、勝手にMo bを攻撃
し始めてしまいます。

これが原因のようで、Elementalx2、Sirenx3くらいのINCで1回目の壊滅をしてしまいました。
PetがElementalに張り付いてしまい、AEで次々とBuffやMezがはがされてしまい、Cas ter陣が
次々と死んでしまいました。

奥へいったところに、Priestess SercemaというNamedがPOPしていました。
EllfaさんのRD PullでなんとかPullしてKill。
LootはRuned Sea Shellでした。

もう1匹Namedがいるということで、Rurukaさんに誘導してもらいずんずん進んでいきます。
Mistress LatazuraというNamedがPOPしているようで、建物のなかからCastが聞こえてきます。

建物の周りにいる、タツノオトシゴをKillしているときに、死にかけのMobが建物に近づいてしまい、
Mistress Latazuraをはじめ、大トレイン発生＾＾；；
2回目の壊滅です。

時間も遅くなってきたので、CRをして解散となりました。

-- GPT-4o mini (Prompt: Translate the following to English: ) --
March 17

I went to Siren's Grott. Since it was my first time tackling it, I was completely lost, but I attacked with a nearly level 60 four-party group. It felt like a higher-level version of KK. The main mobs were seahorses, sharks, water elementals, and sirens. The seahorses and sharks could be mezzed and dealt damage, and they didn't seem too strong, but while the water elementals could be mezzed, they used AE dispel. It seems that sirens can be mezzed at level 54, but their resistance is quite high.

One thing to note is that pets don't listen very well and tend to react to mob casts, starting to attack mobs on their own.

This seemed to be the cause of our first wipe, as we were overwhelmed by about two elementals and three sirens. The pet got stuck on an elemental, and with the AE, buffs and mezzes were stripped one after another, leading to the casters dying one by one.

Further in, a named mob called Priestess Sercema popped up. With Ellfa's RD pull, we managed to pull and kill her. The loot was a Runed Sea Shell.

Since there was another named mob, I was guided by Ruruka and we proceeded deeper. It seemed that a named mob called Mistress Latazura had popped up, and we could hear casting from inside a building.

While we were killing the seahorses around the building, a nearly dead mob got too close to the building, causing a big train with Mistress Latazura and others. This led to our second wipe.

As it was getting late, we decided to do a corpse run and disband.

Out-of-era, but this description corroborates Ennewi's in-era findings (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3431040&postcount=16) from EQCleric:
- https://web.archive.org/web/20031031105256/http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?zone=122
SG INFO
Posted @ Wed, Sep 4th 7:55 AM 2002
By: MandicusLifescourge

mmm kay seems like I never see anyone in sg these days so i'ma share the wealth.

Fellspine location: between well and the end of his tunnel opposite the well (end of tunnel has 4 exits with siren priest building above) placeholder is ALWAYS a coldspine seahorse
(yah this is the guy with the 10ac 4allstats 1allresists 0weight all all 35% haste belt.)

Helena Mindreaver loc : 2 spawn locations in mistress room... from cs entrance go under right side past seahorse, hold left wall to walkup... go up walkup and turn right. go over bridge, then immediately hang a left past the 2 water type servants into room... her 2 spawn locs are on far side behind the statue and are always seductress placeholders.

Mistress Latazura loc: same room, 2 spawn locations... placeholders seem to usually be enticers, but can be seductresses as well. first ph is standing on the wood stairs solo near the helena mindreaver spawns. 2nd ph is nearer the 2 sirens standing on the stairs, but closer to cs zone.

Priestess scerema loc: above end of fellspine tunnel, or go under right side from cs zone, past mistress building and follow right wall till you see it. big building with 2 servants out front, 2 on sides, about 6 total priests in the building, 6 normal sirens I believe... don't know which ones are placeholders cuz cleric mobs = annoying.

The behemoth loc: in the well, ph is always a servant of the mammal type. drops 32ac 20weight chain bp, 15ac 50hps 0weight belt, 13dmg 21dly -25ac piercer.

a siren sorceress loc: if go to scaffolding from well (where the tons of sirens are) behind the well there is a room with 2 servants out front, 2 sirens behind them, and a fish and sorceress in water. sorceress drops platinum dragon scale... dunno what its used for at this time.

elna kelpweaver: no clue... if its a neriad then it spawns in the small tunnel behind the well with the 3 neriads... if its a siren, then keep killin sirens on the scaffolding is my guess... i've never seen elna.

shimmering sea spirit loc: anywhere that only watery and icy servants spawn. (6 places at scaffolding, 3 at mistress room, tons in tunnels, 4 at priestess room) You gotta mass slaughter them to have a chance at this guy, cuz hes about a 1 in 200 spawn.

helena mindreaver: hits 270s, cleric mob, loves to nuke for 675s esp when yer tashed by the other sirens in the room. yellow con at 60 loves to drop aego scroll

mistress latazura: quads for 375s, chanter mob, like to charm early on, winds of tashanian, just yer garden variety meat slap contest after she runs outta mana. red con at 60, shes hard =P
drops spells like every other kill

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