What Happened To Journalism?

[Baler]

Journalism Use to be....

Someone takes a certain idea and they present the facts and allow the reader to determine how they feel about a given subject. Allowing the reader to determine their own view based on the facts presented. Across Party lines and across political lines. They present the facts in an honest and straight forward manner. Then people develop their own opinion based on what they see. Being a free thinker and a level headed approach.

[douglas1999]

24 hr morphine drips of things you already agree with and\or things that will make you super angry at the other guys (because you are after all on the good guy team by default) are way more profitable

[Topgunben]

Journalism Use to be....

Someone takes a certain idea and they present the facts and allow the reader to determine how they feel about a given subject. Allowing the reader to determine their own view based on the facts presented. Across Party lines and across political lines. They present the facts in an honest and straight forward manner. Then people develop their own opinion based on what they see. Being a free thinker and a level headed approach.

Sad, isnt it?

3 instances of bad journalism come to mind:

Richard Jewell - a case or gross negligence, where conjecture ran wild and journalists played judge, jury, and executioner in the court of public opinion.

Jussie Smollet - a case of turning a blind eye to the truth, while pushing a narrative that seeks to further the Journalist's political Dogma. If any one on this forum still believes Jussie's story, please raise your hand so I can know who you are.

Nicholas Sandmann - knowing the facts, but ignoring them in order to push a political narrative. Willing to destroy a young man who acted exemplary in the given situation. Sandmann got a lot of money out of CNN btw.

[Jibartik]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzgfQvB2dvA

[Woke Locc]

The opinion page pays for the journalism part

Read less opinion articles

Or try https://thebulwark.com/

[Jerri]

We are products of the media nowdays. They manipulate us so as to gain our favour, our vote, etc.

[Trexller]

words are weapons. broadcasting is artillery.

[Rader]

Journalism Use to be....

Someone takes a certain idea and they present the facts and allow the reader to determine how they feel about a given subject. Allowing the reader to determine their own view based on the facts presented. Across Party lines and across political lines. They present the facts in an honest and straight forward manner. Then people develop their own opinion based on what they see. Being a free thinker and a level headed approach.

Good luck with that. Libtards cannot stand freedom of thought, they scared of that discussion since they suck at facts

[Swish]

Globally the BBC used to be revered for a (seemingly) impartial approach to its news. Facts, locations and the incident, who was involved and police reports of what caused it...as an example.

These days it's bad for two reasons. Like every other big news agency it plays up certain things, adjusts numbers up or down depending on the narrative, or focuses in on a really niche thing that will incite a reaction from a certain voting populace.

The other reason is more sinister, and that's what it refuses to report on. Anything with a racial slant is almost banned, or at least played down. Images are cropped to show what they want you to see... there's no honesty in it anymore. And they wonder why people turn away from the news and don't watch it.

BBC is just one example, I know most western government arm news is the same (ABC in America and Australia both use the same template).

Would be great if they stuck to facts and there was nothing "off limits" if it happened.

[Patriam1066]

Hahahaha yeah liberals are the problem

Do we even have those in the United States? Barack Obama toppled a foreign leader, drone striked browns more often than he golfed, and deported Mexicans en masse

Obama and Hillary would both be center-right in any sensible political spectrum, you guys are just brainwashed into thinking abortion (which republican appointed judges won’t even ban!) and other niche issues are more important than the fate of the country

We’re circling the drain, and it’s not only the fault of the blacks. You rednecks should consider joining them in going back to Africa

[Swish]

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/nick-ferrari/bbc-cropping-out-weapon-black-lives-matter-protest/

"Lets not show the weapon, eh?"

https://i.imgur.com/iX9YrF9.jpg

[Topgunben]

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/nick-ferrari/bbc-cropping-out-weapon-black-lives-matter-protest/

"Lets not show the weapon, eh?"

https://i.imgur.com/iX9YrF9.jpg

Modern day liberals want to make it seem like black people are better than they really are (morally superior to whites). They paint a picture of family-valued refugees who’s only crime is being born pour in a war torn country that the west is guilty of creating.

The reality is that whenever I hear about a knife attack, robbery, petty theft or aggravated assault, whether it’s in the UK or the US, it’s almost always instigated by a black male.

This is turning a blind eye to the truth, rather than reporting the truth as it comes. I think liberals journalists feel it their duty to squelch anything that shows minorities in a negative light because the opposite would be deemed racist.

[zodium]

like journos, you mistook the dominance of capitalist ideology for objectivity, and now that capitalism is late-staging itself into the grave, both fascism (da bad guys) and socialism (da good guys) are cool again. but journos have run on ideological autopilot so long they can't remember how to journal things. they just regurgitate what people tell them uncritically, or obliviously let their ideology shine through.

[douglas1999]

like journos, you mistook the dominance of capitalist ideology for objectivity, and now that capitalism is late-staging itself into the grave, both fascism (da bad guys) and socialism (da good guys) are cool again. but journos have run on ideological autopilot so long they can't remember how to journal things. they just regurgitate what people tell them uncritically, or obliviously let their ideology shine through.

Yeah except c-span, I actually agree with most of this

[Fame]

Fairness doctrine

[BarnabusCollins]

What Happened To Journalism? All 6 mainstream news corps. (a whole six, wow...) were bought and are now owned by the Illuminati cult that runs the global shitshow, that's what happened. Most anchors today are CIA.

[gherron]

Fairness doctrine

Bingo

[charmcitysking]

It was on it's way out long, long before.. but Journalism officially died the day Robert Parry passed away. RIP

[hobart]

Which libtard President's administration killed the fairness doctrine? I actually remember like Pepperidge Farms. Anyone else?

I voted for him the one time I was old enough. He was the best man for the job and I believe a true patriot. Though if I were old/smart enough at the time to understand the significance of his speech in Neshoba county four years prior I would not have. Interesting that something seemingly insignificant in a hillbilly shithole was the singular most significant event which led to trumptardism and angry white incels like yourselves.

[Woke Locc]

If you watch Bernie's question to Dukakis in the 1988 debate, the Drumpf orange mushroom tiny hands stuff seems like small potatoes.

[Jimjam]

The two corporate incentives to publish media are to garner money or influence. If you can make money garnering influence even better. Scrutiny, context and facts are boring and neither sell papers nor control attitudes / behaviours.

There is not incentive for massed market journalism under capitalism.

[douglas1999]

Nah demand for actual journalism is rising hence the rapid success of independent reporting on youtube of all places. It's sad it's come to that, but mainstream outlets are dying rapidly because many people are realizing it's all bullshit. Give it ten years.

[hobart]

And you can always tell exactly which Youtuber is reporting facts because those facts will always align with your world view. Coincidentally, of course.

[douglas1999]

Well it's more like how often they admit mistakes, make retractions, and say "Ya know I don't like X political entity, but I think they're right here". These are super elementary signs of honesty that have evaporated from mainstream outlets. Every single headline is editorialized out the ass. "A comet is heading directly for earth; women most affected"

This is where I actually agree with zodium, capitalism incentivizes this type of slimeball journalism. But then the populace who consumes it, since they aren't 5 years old, start to notice how full of shit it all is and the market provides preferable alternatives.

[Woke Locc]

Journalism is when YouTube's doesn't pay you for your videos, so you get da skrilla by patreon begging

[douglas1999]

Well until patreon bans you too anyway but I wouldn't see it as begging any more than like... selling a car is begging or running a sandwich shop is begging. Nobody is forced to patronize you.

[JurisDictum]

since they aren't 5 years old, start to notice how full of shit it all is and the market provides preferable alternatives.

is that what happened? i have been sad because the exact opposite happened. like u are 5

[Nuggie]

I yearn for the day when journalism isn't political activism. Until then I read "news" from both sides and laugh at how differently the story is spun.

[zodium]

the concept of a single objective, universally accessible world of fact may now be allowed to recede into the darkness; and just as critical theory might have suggested, what has come to replace that image of the world is another in which the chief thing is to see who has the upper hand.

[Baler]

Remember when video game journalism wasn't the same article being copied 1000x across all gaming news sites? Remember when IGN was a UO (the crossroads) website?

[solleks]

There never was an objective reality look at all the religion. What you believe is your reality literally.

[Patriam1066]

the concept of a single objective, universally accessible world of fact may now be allowed to recede into the darkness; and just as critical theory might have suggested, what has come to replace that image of the world is another in which the chief thing is to see who has the upper hand.

For what purpose? So that you can whine about being poor instead of working on your diabetes and laziness? The stock market makes theft easier, but it has always been that way and always will be. You waste your time hating people who are so empty that they siphon unearned gains from those beneath them. Have no fear, they will answer to God. And if hatred fills your heart, so will you

pussy

[solleks]

To quote the modern israelite "that means ho, ya been shitted on"

[zodium]

For what purpose? So that you can whine about being poor instead of working on your diabetes and laziness? The stock market makes theft easier, but it has always been that way and always will be. You waste your time hating people who are so empty that they siphon unearned gains from those beneath them. Have no fear, they will answer to God. And if hatred fills your heart, so will you

pussy

says increasingly nervous man for whatevereth time this year

[Patriam1066]

says increasingly nervous man for whatevereth time this year

Nervous about what? You guys are poor in the easiest country in human history to prosper because you’re lazy. Your revolution could be stopped by 25 Mormons. I’d just rather avoid bloodshed

[zodium]

im not worried, im not worried, I continue to insist as I attempt to cope with my reality disintegrating before my eyes by involuntarily oscillating between contradictory perspectives faster and faster

[Patriam1066]

The rednecks don’t believe in coronavirus because a mask reduces their “freedom.” When you ask them to pay more in taxes, what do you think they will do to your revolutionaries? There is no left in America and there never will be

[Patriam1066]

Kentucky could crush the entire black and Hispanic population in America. Hope this helps!

[zodium]

https://i.imgur.com/lzHy1ay.gif

[tsuchang]

I remember in an old cowboy movie I watched as a kid, (so it had to be true). There was a conflict between two newspapers in the city. One was for each candidate. One of the papers got burned to the ground.
I bet "fake news" isn't new.

[solleks]

Mormons are pretty bad ass

[douglas1999]

The great irony with dumbs is that the supply and demand issue with racists\nazis\fascists is a direct allegory of a basic capitalist architecture. Shit, we're running out of racists, things seem pretty good. Let's pretend people that aren't racists actually are so we can keep this gravy train rolling

[zodium]

The great irony with dumbs is that the supply and demand issue with racists\nazis\fascists is a direct allegory of a basic capitalist architecture. Shit, we're running out of racists, things seem pretty good. Let's pretend people that aren't racists actually are so we can keep this gravy train rolling

agreed, op. its an important insight that a person's ideology is informed by their material conditions. as you correctly point out, with capitalism failing, material conditions decline and the "supply" of privileges to the privileged classes recedes. these privileged classes then "react" to the loss, creating a "demand" for ideological fascism and nazism, which drives up the "supply" of fascists and nazis.

[douglas1999]

agreed, op. its an important insight that a person's ideology is informed by their material conditions. as you correctly point out, with capitalism failing, material conditions decline and the "supply" of privileges to the privileged classes recedes. these privileged classes then "react" to the loss, creating a "demand" for ideological fascism and nazism, which drives up the "supply" of fascists and nazis.

I really can't decipher this right now man

[solleks]

He is using bad grammar and syntax to make himself feel high iq. Hes trying to say that because capitalism is failing, there are more poor Nazis.

Its wrong on many fronts. The Nazis are imagined. The capitalism failing is imagined(if there ever was capitalism). The Nazis becoming poor is imagined. His brain is lumpy and he is obese.

[zodium]

His brain is lumpy

wrong. WRONG. my brain is smooth, free of wrinkles, a perfect and imperturbable exotic sphere.

[befofum]

Yeah except c-span, I actually agree with most of this

[Raev]

agreed, op. its an important insight that a person's ideology is informed by their material conditions

No, a person's material conditions are formed by their ideology.

The moral is to the physical as three to one.

And if you look at the mental/emotional/moral/spiritual (whatever word floats your boat) condition of the United States it is easy to see that the spiritual collapse has occurred first and is the driving force. Marxism is for useful idiots (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4kHiUAjTvQ).

[zodium]

Exposure to true information does not matter anymore. A person who is demoralized is unable to assess true information. The facts tell him nothing, even if I shower him with information, with authentic proof, with documents and pictures. ...he will refuse to believe it.

sounds familiar. wonder if the society this guy came from might have been engaged in some sort of "fact war."

[Gwaihir]

No, a person's material conditions are formed by their ideology.



And if you look at the mental/emotional/moral/spiritual (whatever word floats your boat) condition of the United States it is easy to see that the spiritual collapse has occurred first and is the driving force. Marxism is for useful idiots (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4kHiUAjTvQ).


Lol yup. Smoothbrain leftists never see the long game, and always think theyre the ones that are going to get more power under the pendulum swing, but it never happens because their losers through and through, and socialized labour has no place for a do-nothing skittle-haired freak who spends his days juggling cocks between his mouth and asshole.

Communism is for maximizing the profitability of the WORKING class, while minimizing the liability that stems from having to pay them for said work. The prize and reward of a successful communist coup is redirecting the profit that is intercepted by the bourgeoisie and centralizing it in the hands of the political rulung class.

[gherron]

Communism is for maximizing the profitability of the WORKING class, while minimizing the liability that stems from having to pay them for said work. The prize and reward of a successful communist coup is replacing the profit that is intercepted by the bourgeoisie and centralizing it in the hands of the political rulung class.

How is this not happening right now in the US? Politicians are constantly enriching themselves up while ordinary people had to wait for paltry handouts during covid no? Then, when their profits were drying up the politicians and the CEOs wanted ordinary people to get back to work and school, while there's a pandemic. Like you can keep calling these "leftists" in these threads all the names you want, but if you don't even understand how fucked the average person in the US is, you're worthy of pity.

[BarnabusCollins]

Cuomo is very close to 'Threatening the President of the United States' charges

[zodium]

Communism is for maximizing the profitability of the WORKING class, while minimizing the liability that stems from having to pay them for said work. The prize and reward of a successful communist coup is redirecting the profit that is intercepted by the bourgeoisie and centralizing it in the hands of the political rulung class.

https://i.imgur.com/0DrYscg.jpg

lol

[douglas1999]

How is this not happening right now in the US? Politicians are constantly enriching themselves up while ordinary people had to wait for paltry handouts during covid no? Then, when their profits were drying up the politicians and the CEOs wanted ordinary people to get back to work and school, while there's a pandemic. Like you can keep calling these "leftists" in these threads all the names you want, but if you don't even understand how fucked the average person in the US is, you're worthy of pity.

I guess all the poor immigrants who came here and became rich had a magic genie or something. Just because politicians are almost entirely slimeballs doesn't mean the average person is fucked. I know the commie stuff is enticing but it's complete bullshit and is just exploiting envy. It's incredibly ugly in practice.

[Gwaihir]

How is this not happening right now in the US? Politicians are constantly enriching themselves up while ordinary people had to wait for paltry handouts during covid no? Then, when their profits were drying up the politicians and the CEOs wanted ordinary people to get back to work and school, while there's a pandemic. Like you can keep calling these "leftists" in these threads all the names you want, but if you don't even understand how fucked the average person in the US is, you're worthy of pity.


How is this happening? is a very good question, indeed.

I would venture to say its happening already because this is what the dipshits are pushing for and.....they're getting more of what they're are implicitly asking for.

Why do you think these megacorps and the regional/state governments "support" BLM in unison.

They're literally being empowered, emboldened, and encouraged by the idiots on the left to do it. It's what leftist naively wants.

[Raev]

https://i.imgur.com/0DrYscg.jpg

lol

hehe

where do you find this stuff?

[Raev]

How is this not happening right now in the US? Politicians are constantly enriching themselves up while ordinary people had to wait for paltry handouts during covid no? Then, when their profits were drying up the politicians and the CEOs wanted ordinary people to get back to work and school, while there's a pandemic. Like you can keep calling these "leftists" in these threads all the names you want, but if you don't even understand how fucked the average person in the US is, you're worthy of pity.

We already live in a Marxist society. You just haven't realized it yet. The problem with capitalism is that it only works when everyone agrees to play by the rules . . . and this creates a huge asymmetric payoff for those who do not. All you have to do is bribe a few politicians to give you the ability to print trillions of dollars of "stimulus" and then you don't have to do all of that annoying 'work' to obtain things. Left and right are terrible terms because both political parties today are Marxist, as politics is simply theater. You see, the asymmetric payoff depends on you playing by the rules even as they don't. So you have to believe that all that is necessary for change is voting for some random politician.

In related news, there is no pandemic. The CDC finally released their figures that only 6,000 Americans have died of COVID without any comorbidities. COVID is at most about as dangerous as the flu. So why did our government and media react as they did? Because you are most easy to control when you are afraid.

A few links (no boring stuff, I promise): The best modern journalism (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qkOUXkBNS4) and the best spiritual teachings. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxznGIj8Ja0)

[Woke Locc]

The soup thing is real though. Mr Donald is right.

[zodium]

marxism is an explanation for why capitalism keeps collapsing from its internal contradictions. there's no such thing as a marxist society. that would be silly. but of course everyone is marxist today. you'd have to be a rube not to be. the contradictions in the empire are heightened to a degree so self-evident that people independently reinvent marxism every day without even realizing it.

the reason everyone is marxist is, well, its true. we capitalists know it. the intelligentsia class knows it. the information class knows it. what exactly do you think "targeted advertising" is, if not class analysis? the capture by the bourgeoisie and subsequent collapse into either socialism or fascism of liberal political structures was well described by marx before even the marginal revolution.

it is an explanation for what's happened. and a playbook for what's coming. and it really boils down to that question we've been asking since Jesus Christ: socialism, or barbarism?

[Topgunben]

marxism is an explanation for why capitalism keeps collapsing from its internal contradictions. there's no such thing as a marxist society. that would be silly. but of course everyone is marxist today. you'd have to be a rube not to be. the contradictions in the empire are heightened to a degree so self-evident that people independently reinvent marxism every day without even realizing it.

the reason everyone is marxist is, well, its true. we capitalists know it. the intelligentsia class knows it. the information class knows it. what exactly do you think "targeted advertising" is, if not class analysis? the capture by the bourgeoisie and subsequent collapse into either socialism or fascism of liberal political structures was well described by marx before even the marginal revolution.

it is an explanation for what's happened. and a playbook for what's coming. and it really boils down to that question we've been asking since Jesus Christ: socialism, or barbarism?

It may be just me, and I mean this with all due respect, but I can’t follow your writing. I’ve attempted on several occasions to read through your posts, but something about how you formulate sentences leaves me scratching my head.

[douglas1999]

Zodium's posts are specifically designed to be so impenetrably convoluted you can't ever discern a point. I like him though

[JurisDictum]

they're good informative posts that teach vocabulary

i love him

he should be on an estate somewhere writing only to me while I pick and choose which of you go to which front. You'd love it; you would have the chance to commit murder.

[douglas1999]

Well that sounds insane.

[JurisDictum]

Well that sounds insane.

Might sound it from here but at least the "spit hoods" would be fabric. not plastic garbage bags.

[Luigi]

I cant read any big posts by juris either, his short posts are usually worth reading.

[BlackBellamy]

Journalism Use to be....

Someone takes a certain idea and they present the facts and allow the reader to determine how they feel about a given subject. Allowing the reader to determine their own view based on the facts presented. Across Party lines and across political lines. They present the facts in an honest and straight forward manner. Then people develop their own opinion based on what they see. Being a free thinker and a level headed approach.

I would have replied earlier, being a consummate fan of 'journalism' and working in a parent field, however I insinuated in a previous post that a fictitious person named Boqueesha Jefferson couldn't spell her own name and was given a vacation because people make assumptions about skin color based on people's names. That's racist I think. I guess it wasn't understood that "Boqueesha" was most likely white and Jewish (https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/03/us/jessica-krug-gwu-black-trnd/index.html).

What is with this Dolezaling? Is it like Lou Reed explained (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ehoomjQjfI) just bored white people trying to stir up some drama and excitement in their lives?

Ahhh, journalism. Another lie. When you write "Journalism Use to be...." you are repeating Journalism Propaganda. That's because Paley and Cronkite and others said it over and over with gravitas. They wanted to believe maybe, or they were just lying cynics, doesn't matter. Think of this image; the breathless newspapermen running to the telephone bank to get their story to the editors who yell hold the presses out their office door because the story has to be told.

That never happens except in old Hollywood movies. Or on TV shows, or in self-serving accounts written about themselves.

It's just like the Nazis. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwWgmrb9yeg) When you think about the Nazis you picture the Nuremberg Rally, with all those people in rows and the flags, and then during the war rows of tanks driving on and shooting stuff and stormtroopers piling out of halftracks with machineguns. But that's because you're watching clips from Triumph Of The Will and other propaganda and training films they made themselves. It's the only record out there so it becomes reality. In truth the Germans had very few tanks, their infantry walked through the mud as their artillery was pulled by horses. They were just like any other army. They only did good in the beginning because they were fighting reservists without radios, and after that they were just getting their asses kicked for like 3 years straight and the only reason it took so long is because there was a lot of Germans to grind through. But the Hitler War Machine mystique lives on.

The newspaper was never an organ of disseminating information. First and foremost the newspaper, and later radio and television were businesses that generate revenue through direct sales and advertising. The copy is there to accomplish the goal. It literally does not matter what you write as long as people continue to buy and watch. There is no real sanction. There is no authority or standards or anything. If anyone sues then you have them sign something that tells them to cash the check and shut the fuck up and that's it. Otherwise you cry First Amendment and if you know anything about the US libel laws then you know that once your name has appeared in the media then any subsequent mentions can just be full of slander because hey you're now a limited-purpose public figure.

Our media has flat out lied in order to start wars (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_of_the_Spanish%E2%80%93American_War) because wars are great news and great news sells a lot of advertising.

The stuff you write, the stuff I quote above, that's a great ideal. That would be awesome if that was actually happening. Oh yeah, I mean there are some outlets that profess 'nothing but the news' but in the end they are staffed by people who have opinions and absolutely zero consequences for lying their asses off. They can get a new twitter handle and a new domain name if the shame becomes too great and it's like nothing has ever happened.

There is no journalism. Only Zuul and manipulation.

[zodium]

people always have been the foolish victims of deception and self-deception in politics, and they always will be until they have learnt to seek out the interests of some class or other behind all moral, religious, political and social phrases, declarations and promises.

[Baler]

BlackBellamy I said Journalism not Media.

Through out history that have been individuals who have attempted to give it how it is. Maybe they weren't always allowed or didn't get it right but they did what I described in the OP.

If you're that paranoid that every single human on the planet is plugged into the media machine. Than you'll never understand this topic.
There are a lot of sheeple & they hate being called that but there are also free thinkers.

I am in agreeance that media has stolen the term journalism in an attempt to push their agenda.

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Zodium I agree we live in an era of deception. It's been history repeating it self for millenniums.

[PieOats]

Deception is FAKE NEWS. Journalism is mostly truthful. This is not contestable.

[Gwaihir]

people always have been the foolish victims of deception and self-deception in politics, and they always will be until they have learnt to seek out the interests of some class or other behind all moral, religious, political and social phrases, declarations and promises.

There's always going to be some sort of power behind the curtain developing and maintaining a system of order and "morality" to govern the affairs of men. Idealizing a fantasy that removing the vase in which the water retains it's shape, or is somehow going to facilitate the water self-organizing to take on a more utopic shape is asinine.

"Whatsoever therefore is consequent to a time of Warre, where every man is Enemy to every man; the same is consequent to the time, wherein men live without other security, than what their own strength, and their own invention shall furnish them withall. In such condition, there is no place for Industry; because the fruit thereof is uncertain; and consequently no Culture of the Earth; no Navigation, nor use of the commodities that may be imported by Sea; no commodious Building; no Instruments of moving, and removing such things as require much force; no Knowledge of the face of the Earth; no account of Time; no Arts; no Letters; no Society; and which is worst of all, continuall feare, and danger of violent death; And the life of man, solitary, poore, nasty, brutish, and short."

[Topgunben]

99% of the people talking in the media are just saying what their bosses want them to say. That goes for all the major broadcasters. If tomorrow CNN told Don Lemon to denounce Joe Biden as a racist, he would do it.

The only way to get solid information anymore is to do the research yourself, or look at all the information being presented and try to decipher what the truth is.

For the people saying that capitalism incentivizes news companies to present exciting information over truthful information; please consider communist North Korea’s state run media. At least with the news in capitalism, you can change the channel.

[Gwaihir]

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Zodium I agree we live in an era of deception. It's been history repeating it self for millenniums.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifaschistische_Aktion

Antifa's street-level antagonization of the citizenry during the era of the Weimer Republic where they also held a majority stake in a 5-party parliament is literally what enabled the Nazi party to absorb and consolidate the other 3 parties contesting for seats in parliament where, in a relatively short period of time, the Nazi party went from being a fringe minority party, holding only 5 seats in parliament, to the large majority, and the rest is history.

Antifa didnt "resist" facism, they literally pissed everyone off so much that they created it as a reaction to their bullshit.

[Luigi]

Gwaihir why cant you find a cool avatar?

Look how great topgunbens is

[Topgunben]

Gwaihir why cant you find a cool avatar?

Look how great topgunbens is

My avatar kind of looks like Mario from a distance.... kind of.

[Woke Locc]

Deception is FAKE NEWS. Journalism is mostly truthful. This is not contestable.

A lie by omission is still a lie.

feels bad man

[BlackBellamy]

BlackBellamy I said Journalism not Media.

Through out history that have been individuals who have attempted to give it how it is. Maybe they weren't always allowed or didn't get it right but they did what I described in the OP.

If you're that paranoid that every single human on the planet is plugged into the media machine. Than you'll never understand this topic.
There are a lot of sheeple & they hate being called that but there are also free thinkers.

I am in agreeance that media has stolen the term journalism in an attempt to push their agenda.

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Zodium I agree we live in an era of deception. It's been history repeating it self for millenniums.

Journalism is writing for newspapers, websites, television, radio, magazines, I guess podcasts too, it's all media. The preparation and delivery of so-called news is a business. You can call yourself a crusader for truth, the paladin of journalism, the Investigative one, but then you write your big expose on Harvey but they sit on it for months and then kill it because someone upstairs knows Harvey. So you can re-write or shop around.

I'm not sure what you mean when you say journalism is separate from media. One is a process within the other.

You might be thinking of bards.

[Patriam1066]

Nuke Portland, there are very bad people on both sides (unemployed)

[Bones]

No, a person's material conditions are formed by their ideology.



And if you look at the mental/emotional/moral/spiritual (whatever word floats your boat) condition of the United States it is easy to see that the spiritual collapse has occurred first and is the driving force. Marxism is for useful idiots (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4kHiUAjTvQ).

Thanks for sharing the link, I remember seeing the video years ago but had forgotten the name of the guy. But even at the time I remember thinking of how prevalent it was at the time, and now its down right frightening how real it is.

Decided to read through the comments though and one in particular stuck with me and pretty much perfectly sums up how I feel about the current situation.

"I first watched this interview (the full 90 minutes) years ago, maybe 2011 or 2012, but it still shocked me how rapidly things were deteriorating. When shit started to hit the fan in 2020 with the pandemic, I was worried about how the year would play out, and knew we'd never go back to the way things were before. Then that video of George Floyd's death exploded, and the US seems to be on the precipice of outright civil war. As of early July it's a relatively small faction of the far left in fairly open revolt, but the frightening thing is that almost nobody seems to realize what's happening.

I've found several people who share my feeling that this shitstorm feels premature - I think the ideological subversion hasn't quite permeated deeply enough yet to reach the critical mass, and the pandemic & economic crisis seems to have blown this brewing revolution into the open before it was ready to happen organically. Might sound crazy to say this in the current moment, but I think we should probably count ourselves fortunate this is happening the way it is now. I think we stand a much better chance of surviving it than we would if it had been able to stew another 10 years or so before blowing open."

[douglas1999]

Journalism is writing for newspapers, websites, television, radio, magazines, I guess podcasts too, it's all media. The preparation and delivery of so-called news is a business. You can call yourself a crusader for truth, the paladin of journalism, the Investigative one, but then you write your big expose on Harvey but they sit on it for months and then kill it because someone upstairs knows Harvey. So you can re-write or shop around.

I'm not sure what you mean when you say journalism is separate from media. One is a process within the other.

You might be thinking of bards.

Your example of why it's bad (harvey was powerful) is an anecdote though. It says nothing about the fact that *different* outlets offer *different* ratios of fact to spin. It's worth figuring out which are more, or less, reliable.

I mean when you have clear cut video of an event happening, and one outlet summarizes essentially what actually happened based on the available video evidence (albeit with their own biased language of course) and another reports the exact opposite despite the video being a control which doesn't change for anyone, it doesn't take much to figure out who is being more honest in that instance. Media is shit broadly, but not all shit is created equal.

[zodium]

There's always going to be some sort of power behind the curtain developing and maintaining a system of order and "morality" to govern the affairs of men. Idealizing a fantasy that removing the vase in which the water retains it's shape, or is somehow going to facilitate the water self-organizing to take on a more utopic shape is asinine.

when feudalism was overthrown and “free” capitalist society appeared in the world, it at once became apparent that this freedom meant a new system of oppression and exploitation of the working people. various socialist doctrines immediately emerged as a reflection of and protest against this oppression. early socialism, however, was utopian socialism. it criticised capitalist society, it condemned and damned it, it dreamed of its destruction, it had visions of a better order and endeavoured to convince the rich of the immorality of exploitation.

but utopian socialism could not indicate the real solution. it could not explain the real nature of wage-slavery under capitalism, it could not reveal the laws of capitalist development, or show what social force is capable of becoming the creator of a new society. not a single victory of political freedom over the feudal class was won except against desperate resistance. not a single capitalist country evolved on a more or less free and democratic basis except by a life-and-death struggle between the various classes of capitalist society.

the genius of Marx lies in his having been the first to deduce from this the lesson world history teaches and to apply that lesson consistently. the deduction he made is the doctrine of the class struggle. independent organizations of the proletariat are multiplying all over the world, from america to japan and from sweden to south africa. the proletariat is becoming enlightened and educated by waging its class struggle; it is ridding itself of the prejudices of bourgeois society; it is rallying its ranks ever more closely and is learning to gauge the measure of its successes; it is steeling its forces and is growing irresistibly.

[Raev]

Glad you liked it, Bones. I agree that this whole process is happening earlier than the barbarians (I like Corona Circus' (https://coronacircus.com/) term the best) would prefer, but if you look at it from their point of view it's obvious that the Internet is their nemesis. It reminds me of the Sword of Shannara from a different elf simulator. We are all getting better and better at sorting through the propaganda.

For example, I learned yesterday that America was founded on White slavery (https://www.amazon.com/White-Cargo-Forgotten-History-Britains/dp/0814742963/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3HQXMNIYC5FBQ&dchild=1). I read about these people as 'indentured servants' in high school, and if I had just taken a second to think logically it would have been obvious that the plantation owners would have every incentive to work the indentured servant to death before they could finish their term and take the owner's land. Most of them were teenagers who were kidnapped off the streets. The 300,000 Europeans were roughly comparable to the 400,000 Africans (there were 10 million slaves shipped across the Atlantic, but the vast majority (https://www.pbs.org/wnet/african-americans-many-rivers-to-cross/history/how-many-slaves-landed-in-the-us/) went to South America and the Caribbean). Kind of gives you a different perspective on reparations for slavery, doesn't it?

[douglas1999]

If the history of the barbary slave trade by the ottomans\moors was taught alongside the atlantic slave trade in highschool and undergrad world history courses, the world would be a much saner place.

By blm logic, I should be allowed to go to turkey\algeria and take their shit and burn everything down. Or alternatively, I could realize that nobody in the history of the world doesn't have dirty hands when it comes to barbarism, and burning everything down in the present because you're ignorant of so much of what came before you is much worse than the original sin you're so against.

[zodium]

Or alternatively, I could realize that nobody in the history of the world doesn't have dirty hands when it comes to barbarism, and burning everything down in the present because you're ignorant of so much of what came before you is much worse than the original sin you're so against.

champions of reforms and improvements will always be fooled by the defenders of the old order until they realize that every old institution, however barbarous and rotten it may appear to be, is kept going by the forces of the ruling classes.

[douglas1999]

champions of reforms and improvements will always be fooled by the defenders of the old order until they realize that every old institution, however barbarous and rotten it may appear to be, is kept going by the forces of the ruling classes.

Sure I'm just saying the violence currently happening in america is propelled by pure self involved narcissism and an extreme ignorance of history rather than some revolutionary new understanding of it. A cause better be pretty damn noble if you think it justifies going out and terrorizing and burning down the life's work of people who have absolutely nothing to do with your central grievance.

Also I don't really know what you're talking about.

[Jimjam]

Slavery never ended.

The greatest trick users of slave labour achieved was to offload the responsibilities and expenses of slave ownership onto the slaves themselves by making them self-owned. No longer was the welfare of the workforce held accountable to the wealthy.

[JurisDictum]

Slavery never ended.

The greatest trick users of slave labour achieved was to offload the responsibilities and expenses of slave ownership onto the slaves themselves by making them self-owned. No longer was the welfare of the workforce held accountable to the wealthy.

*plucks banjo line from deliverance in affirmation*

[douglas1999]

Working at burger king is the same as picking cotton until you die for no money. Got it.

What the hell is wrong with you people? Let's just muddy the shit out of this. Here's a word: slavery, here's another word: wage. Seeeee, kinda the same thing? When you put the word slavery next to any other word, it automatically is bad.

Bill gates is simply a slave to creating amazingly useful technologies that enhance the welfare of the entire world and is compensated for it. Slavery never ended.

[Luigi]

America is like the army, you get what you put in. Sure starting salary at burger king is not that much.

but if you work hard, learn the system they generally promote from within LIKE EVERY COMPANY

Eventually you will be a store manager, if your good enough district

Shit attitude in life = shit life
Dont want to work? Go riot and vote for democrats, see if your life gets better

spoiler

it wont

See you at the polls, ill be wearing my MAGA Hat and ready to fight you

[Woke Locc]

America is like the army, you get what you put in. Sure starting salary at burger king is not that much.

but if you work hard, learn the system they generally promote from within LIKE EVERY COMPANY

Eventually you will be a store manager, if your good enough district

Shit attitude in life = shit life
Dont want to work? Go riot and vote for democrats, see if your life gets better

spoiler

it wont

See you at the polls, ill be wearing my MAGA Hat and ready to fight you

in australia they sell sausages at the polls(sausage sizzle) and voting is mandatory.

Wtb

[JurisDictum]

America is like the army, you get what you put in. Sure starting salary at burger king is not that much.

but if you work hard, learn the system they generally promote from within LIKE EVERY COMPANY

Eventually you will be a store manager, if your good enough district

Shit attitude in life = shit life
Dont want to work? Go riot and vote for democrats, see if your life gets better

spoiler

it wont

See you at the polls, ill be wearing my MAGA Hat and ready to fight you

ya except i would be literally dead if not for my democrat 1000% comped health insurance since my hands toggled off 4 years ago thru no fault of my own. now i literally cannot collect taxable income because of the perverse incentive involved in losing that medical, so i have been basically forced into retirement before 30 by Sin incarnated in "means testing" which is "sad" because my IQ is very high and i am a workaholic with way better ideas than literally any person i meet. but guess what it's not actually sad because now my life's work is serving others, not serving a black god of death and consumption and festitude politely handling billionaires' personal conversations and never leaking. (the inheritor-billionaires write to everyone, even their wives, with CAPSLOCK ON. THEY ARE LIKE HUNGRY DEMONS, HELL CONJURED ONTO EARTH. not joking they are so ugly in their personal interactions it would turn your stomach. once you see it you realize what you are building, whatever that shitty job is ur doing you work for the Devil itself.) i would be just another dead angel with all her words disavowed and called crazy if this were 1980s and democrat agenda hadn't advanced to where it is now (the physically destroyed can have medical in like 5 states and i happened to live in one yay). i put everything, my very soul into the system and have nothing to show for it but bright shining physical agony and PTSD. think dreams about trying to escape strait jackets over and over or your hands are so heavy you can't pull your firearm that you wake up from already sobbing. it's all a god-damned lottery system. i scored 99.9 on every one of their tests and did every one of their things. food for thot

[douglas1999]

ya except i would be literally dead if not for my democrat 1000% comped health insurance since my hands toggled off 4 years ago thru no fault of my own. now i literally cannot collect taxable income because of the perverse incentive involved in losing that medical, so i have been basically forced into retirement before 30 by Sin incarnated in "means testing" which is "sad" because my IQ is very high and i am a workaholic with way better ideas than literally any person i meet. but guess what it's not actually sad because now my life's work is serving others, not serving a black god of death and consumption and festitude politely handling billionaires' personal conversations and never leaking. (the inheritor-billionaires write to everyone, even their wives, with CAPSLOCK ON. THEY ARE LIKE HUNGRY DEMONS, HELL CONJURED ONTO EARTH. not joking they are so ugly in their personal interactions it would turn your stomach. once you see it you realize what you are building, whatever that shitty job is ur doing you work for the Devil itself.) i would be just another dead angel with all her words disavowed and called crazy if this were 1980s and democrat agenda hadn't advanced to where it is now (the physically destroyed can have medical in like 5 states and i happened to live in one yay). i put everything, my very soul into the system and have nothing to show for it but bright shining physical agony and PTSD. it's a god-damned lottery system. food for thot

That really sucks and I'm sorry you have to deal with shit like that. It's not quite an argument for voting for biden\harris though.

Democrats are basically extorting the country with their messaging right now. "This violence is terrrrible! And it's all donald trump's fault (even though it's literally all occurring in cities that have been democratically governed since forever). You better elect ME if you want the violence to stop!". Nothing mafioso about that at all.

[JurisDictum]

Choosing never to learn anything made you a murderer. You are fully complicit. God will not overlook you.

[Woke Locc]

the fact that you idiots are primarily wrapped up in the "violence" of a few hopped-up sweaty larpers consumed with unimportant bullshit after a Five Trillion Dollar Upward Transfer Of Wealth With No Health Care During The Pandemic is why the only argument i make is to invest in guns and ammunition.

you worship those people i have nightmares about and drink sweet propaganda nectar from their lips like baby birds. you punch down because you are murderers with nothing else in your heart. you are the imps of hell


by the way, i knew this the day we decided we were going for "Herd Immunity" (remember that day? you probably don't, do you. it was in the first 2 weeks. you don't know shit if you did not catch it on the day, in the press conference.), but I'm calling it here now: there will be over 1 million dead Americans from COVID. it could have been suppressed. That would have taken some vision and leadership tho, and you don't care to ask for it anywhere. Much more important to keep the punishment-factories open and keep those people lower than you a-working to feed disgusting hamburgers into your widening belly.

Oh well, maybe we can figure out quarantine next time; perhaps when we're attacked deliberately with a disease a hundred times more lethal and ugly we can "learn it running", losing another million or ten in the process. Because it's all about national security, right guys? Remember?

...oh. all you remember is that you don't like people who look different. i guess all that above must be small fries to you, huh, compared with Worldstar.Com.

I akshually think the upward transfer of wealth was necessary to keep the economic meltdown contained

[JurisDictum]

I akshually think the upward transfer of wealth was necessary to keep the economic meltdown contained

You're not wrong. A return to libertarianism is obviously not the path forward. Turns out, helping each other out works. Cash help could have kept people comfortably at home playing videogames instead of murdering 180,000 Americans and counting, too.

One was to be used as leverage for the political will to pass the other. But our government is 100% captured, so we just handed it to them. And none of these people care, STILL, even in retrospect; they care about BLM. These people are murderers. All around us.

[Woke Locc]

You're not wrong. A return to libertarianism is obviously not the path forward. Turns out, helping each other out works. Cash help could have kept people comfortably at home playing videogames instead of murdering 180,000 Americans and counting, too.

One was to be used as leverage for the political will to pass the other. But our government is 100% captured, so we just handed it to them. And none of these people care, STILL, even in retrospect; they care about BLM.

We're talking about pee-pee-pee, right?

[JurisDictum]

i'm talking about CARES, heroes et al. the whole fasce of bills. the whole bundle of sticks. the whole visible collapse of democracy here before our very eyes which is still less interesting than Trayvon and AntiTrayvon. Where can we be headed but into the ground?

[Woke Locc]

i'm talking about CARES, heroes et al. the whole fasce of bills. the whole bundle of sticks.

Sorry, PPP(Paycheck Protection Program).

[JurisDictum]

is that the EO? or the "small business" subcomponent of the early CARES bills? i presume it was named confusingly for a reason. anyway I bet this convo is going nowhere. i'm talking about the last 6 months.

[Woke Locc]

is that the EO? or the "small business" subcomponent of the early CARES bills? i presume it was named confusingly for a reason. anyway I bet this convo is going nowhere

Well what was the 'upward transfer of wealth'?

I'm doing something specific.

[JurisDictum]

100bn to People (unemployment, stimulus check et al), remaining 4.9trillion to Owners.

[Woke Locc]

100bn to People (unemployment, stimulus check et al), remaining 4.9trillion to Owners.

Stimulus cost $300bn, PPP cost $349bn, UI bonus cost $520bn

Where's the transfer?

[douglas1999]

Damn you are really angry. You should probably get into government so you can allocate the money better next time

[Woke Locc]

Damn you are really angry. You should probably get into government so you can allocate the money better next time

It's k, she has Zenkai. But for now:

https://i.imgur.com/0K7QVKV.jpg

[JurisDictum]

I was looking for those numbers :cool:

[JurisDictum]

Damn you are really angry. You should probably get into government so you can allocate the money better next time

i just want you to debunk me. ilu

[JurisDictum]

alright, made me look. doing anything more "specific" than water-muddying?

it's more like 1 in 6 dollars went to humans who may have need than 1 in 20. it's not important.

there's the cash spent and there's the opportunity cost involved in underwriting failing aristocrats. you cannot beat them because they are now "private" state institutions. competition is out. but owners continue raking in billions in personal profit. it is a way of making the government into a predatory apparatus and the citizenry into serfs; livestock to shear. you cannot beat an institution with infinite liquidity. it is a state apparatus. State apparatus should not pay out massive multibillion amounts of money to private families. The siphoning upward of all of this wealth is built in to every aspect of the system by way of these being "businesses" underwritten by the state. As if a broken bank is an institution of any true value and must be preserved un-nationalized. And as if things can carry on uncorrupted when these businesses know that any losses will be comped by the US taxpayer.

With that in mind the true cost of this bailout is far, far in excess of 4 trillion. It is all of the future profit drawn by these stinking institutions which "deserve" to have failed. Profit which should be yours now that you've bailed these inheritors out. Look to the private accounts of the owners involved; it's all dirty, siphoned money every last dime. This goes on as people spread lethal disease, get mangled in factories, die in road accidents in their pursuit of trivial amounts of spending cash which can only be gotten through a centralized, all-consuming, time-sucking, brain-disabling system of labor which guarantees they will never develop spiritually nor revolt politically. That makes it murder and treason and devil worship. Intellectual theft. And the cherry on top: the petty tyrants, the Epsteins. The most profound rape of a people imaginable.

And when the people stop going to those torture jobs en masse, what do we find? Record profits. Record revenue. No impact.

i just want you to debunk me. ilu
i'm a cyborg waifu. i wear nice clothes and thousand dollar shoes and things made of animals. i am complicit too. if there's any rage it's only in that these sins bug me (to varying degrees) and not you. admonitions to "join the government" to change things are laughable; I could and would not be in any position unless I joined Pelosi's crew. Heard from AOC lately? What do you want, for me to spend my entire life so I can come back and say "I told you so" like so many others? Rise to the very top only to be slapped down and cucked like Bernie via the crass and obvious corruption that has gripped us for decades? Then what? Start over with the same question with your kids?

Stop with the credulity. The answer is obvious, right after free speech. Pelosi should be frightened to do what she does. She should be too frightened to hand off our leverage and leave us with zero unemployment and let us strangle. You could fix Pelosi right where she sits. It is a part of your franchise.

i do love you though

[zodium]

i'm a cyborg waifu. i wear nice clothes and thousand dollar shoes and things made of animals. i am complicit too. if there's any rage it's only in that these sins bug me (to varying degrees) and not you. admonitions to "join the government" to change things are laughable; I could and would not be in any position unless I joined Pelosi's crew. Heard from AOC lately? What do you want, for me to spend my entire life so I can come back and say "I told you so" like so many others? Rise to the very top only to be slapped down and cucked like Bernie via the crass and obvious corruption that has gripped us for decades? Then what? Start over with the same question with your kids?

“woe to me!” I cried. “I am ruined! for I am a man of unclean lips, and I live among a people of unclean lips, and my eyes have seen the King, the Lord Almighty.” then one of the seraphim flew to me with a live coal in his hand, which he had taken with tongs from the altar. with it he touched my mouth and said, “see, this has touched your lips; your guilt is taken away and your sin atoned for.”

then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, “whom shall I send? and who will go for us?”

[BlackBellamy]

my IQ is very high and i am a workaholic with way better ideas than literally any person i meet.

You could work on your delivery and become a successful podcaster like Joe Rogan. Your assistant could hit the buttons for you, or I guess you already have some sort of claw-pointer to touch things with, you could use that to turn the gain up and down. You could be a journalist of sorts and then get this thread back on point. I mean of course your idea would be better I'm just giving you a little push.

Look, I like your avatar so you're probably swell so I don't want to make you upset too much because then you'll change it to some Mario-derivative, but I would like to gingerly mention that pointing out that you can't work because of the system and then in the next sentence claiming to be an industrious genius kinda undercuts every point you make.

[Jimjam]

“woe to me!” I cried. “I am ruined! for I am a man of unclean lips, and I live among a people of unclean lips, and my eyes have seen the King, the Lord Almighty.” then one of the seraphim flew to me with a live coal in his hand, which he had taken with tongs from the altar. with it he touched my mouth and said, “see, this has touched your lips; your guilt is taken away and your sin atoned for.”

then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, “whom shall I send? and who will go for us?”

This about oral hygiene products. Tooth pastes contain abrasive powders such as coal dust.

[Woke Locc]

alright, made me look. doing anything more "specific" than water-muddying?

it's more like 1 in 6 dollars went to humans who may have need than 1 in 20. it's not important.


Having acquired your goat, specifically, and intending to keep it.

wHErE's ThE tRanSFer? (https://www.propublica.org/article/the-cares-act-sent-you-a-1-200-check-but-gave-millionaires-and-billionaires-far-more)

These five provisions that help the well-heeled will cost the Treasury — which is to say, U.S. taxpayers — an estimated $257.95 billion for the 2020 calendar year.


Eliminating Required Distributions From Retirement Accounts: $11.72 billion
Charitable Deductions: $4.83 billion
Pass-Through Entities: $140.61 billion
Corporate Interest Deductions: $12.09 billion
Corporate Loss Treatment: $88.70 billion


Real waifus don't let their husbands watch Jimmy Dore.

[JurisDictum]

https://www.centralbanking.com/central-banks/financial-stability/7509306/new-york-fed-to-offer-1-trillion-per-day-in-repo-funding

i missed the other $20 trillion in liquidity we *authorized in April. never even had heard of it! Gosh I sure love my special business being infinitely liquid forever!

oops! Wonder what else I missed.

[JurisDictum]

You could work on your delivery and become a successful podcaster like Joe Rogan. Your assistant could hit the buttons for you, or I guess you already have some sort of claw-pointer to touch things with, you could use that to turn the gain up and down. You could be a journalist of sorts and then get this thread back on point. I mean of course your idea would be better I'm just giving you a little push.

Look, I like your avatar so you're probably swell so I don't want to make you upset too much because then you'll change it to some Mario-derivative, but I would like to gingerly mention that pointing out that you can't work because of the system and then in the next sentence claiming to be an industrious genius kinda undercuts every point you make.

Don't you understand who Joe Rogan had to appeal to? Didn't you watch what he had to do? It's really easy to win by those means. In fact I've done it, become rich, cavorted with billionaires, gotten bored of the awful sex and returned to Earth and loving people. They -- the few rich and millions of hangers-on, of whom i was the highest status in the circles for my age grp (young hot too smart girl) -- were all disgusting, shallow weirdos. They threw little emotional knives at each other constantly like a high school. We would invite people over and they would disrespect my guy right there in his own home and he would pretend he didn't notice. Eventually I had reciprocal demands of my "husband" and the mirage vanished and the door closed. Just like high-end employment.

I had already addressed this before you wrote this trash. You don't win by joining them. It's not working that way anymore. Wake up.

And why do you assume I'm not trying, anyway? Why do you compare your life to mine? I have had about 3 fully-alert hours a day through my highest-achieving years. You literally cannot comprehend my frame of reference. But the truth is you still aren't punching down. God laughs from above when you dare to compare our achievements.

[zodium]

This about oral hygiene products. Tooth pastes contain abrasive powders such as coal dust.

colgate christ.

[JurisDictum]

Having acquired your goat, specifically, and intending to keep it.

wHErE's ThE tRanSFer? (https://www.propublica.org/article/the-cares-act-sent-you-a-1-200-check-but-gave-millionaires-and-billionaires-far-more)

These five provisions that help the well-heeled will cost the Treasury — which is to say, U.S. taxpayers — an estimated $257.95 billion for the 2020 calendar year.

Eliminating Required Distributions From Retirement Accounts: $11.72 billion
Charitable Deductions: $4.83 billion
Pass-Through Entities: $140.61 billion
Corporate Interest Deductions: $12.09 billion
Corporate Loss Treatment: $88.70 billion


Real waifus don't let their husbands watch Jimmy Dore.

nonsequitur. i addressed why already, since you telegraphed this. yes they are loans, you child. it is difficult to pin down the true expense of the loans. it is NOT 250bn; you are a retard if this data has convinced you of that. You cannot buy aristocracy for your entire family for $250bn. It costs a lot more than that. too bad u cant change tacks like me :) i like Dylan Ratigan.

What does it cost to have infinite liquidity backstopping your family's status as hegemon? Unnatural stratification. A twisting of the economy into something ineffecient. People without medicine. People enslaved in prisons. People dead-stupid. Blood.

[Jimjam]

colgate christ.

Thanks Coal gate.

Now my mouth is clean.

[JurisDictum]

colgate christ.

without leather attire who else would love me

[JurisDictum]

all i want is a nice solid floor of entitlements for every American citizen

companies compete and stratify around vacuuming up those entitlements

a world which works for you and the predators...and the rare creators. Beats dying in arms.

[Woke Locc]

nonsequitur. i addressed why already, since you telegraphed this. yes they are loans, you child. it is difficult to pin down the true expense of the loans. it is NOT 250bn; you are a retard if this data has convinced you of that. You cannot buy aristocracy for your entire family for $250bn. It costs a lot more than that. too bad u cant change tacks like me :)

Well yeah if you change your argument to my argument and agree with me, I guess I did get owned pretty hard.

[JurisDictum]

you never make an argument ever so i know that's a troll post

[JurisDictum]

https://apnews.com/6839bc681e86b773f26ba1c17fb43d58

[JurisDictum]

The upward transfer meme is stupid

we are trying to induce a resonance cascade retard

[Patriam1066]

UBI makes a hell of a lot more sense than free healthcare for prisoners and disability to 40 million Americans. Might as well help out people actually working instead of just the pieces of shit

Teachers should get a $5,000 bonus in the next stimulus bill (and paid maternity leave)

[JurisDictum]

UBI makes a hell of a lot more sense than free healthcare for prisoners and disability to 40 million Americans. Might as well help out people actually working instead of just the pieces of shit

Teachers should get a $5,000 bonus in the next stimulus bill (and paid maternity leave)

It's the obvious answer. Trump was ready to sign big changes into law at the start of this but the Democrats shirked their duty utterly. So completely that he had to EO to get any unemployment relief coming. This is the treachery of the Big Banks aligned with the venomous treachery of You, the American People.

They are able to do this because none of you even notice or care as long as you are getting your race outrage in. The Dems correctly deduced that, because you are blind and screeching murderous monkeys whose just desserts are death, they might as well make the country a flaming pile of debris while Orange Man in office since he'll get all the blame.

As for Orange Man himself, he isn't refilling their vacuum because that's "not his job" and doesn't line up with the political optics. I think I could have played this situation better than he has and it makes me sad. He should have spoken some of the ideas that were obviously in his head at that time. He is growing increasingly nihilistic as he witnesses you all for what you are, soaking day after day in low-IQ supporters he despises, and I think it is unsafe to keep him in office another 4 years. The drastic measures required to make him a truly Great leader are far too ugly; you do not want them. You do not want to see what Trump does without the leverage of next term's election pushing back on him. Back to the machine; it is at least stable and ceaselessly marches us toward that floor we need (at that murderously slow pace).

One day even the brown lands will be as subjugated mentally as we are and the bombing will stop. There's no need for despair, if you aren't despairing. It won't be any more servile a position than it is today.

Just like with the abolition of slavery, the gun-to-the-head starvation doctrine has grown outdated and will be done away with when we have more forward-thinking elites. It's coming soon but it's not coming under Trump. Rock the boat to and fro as hard as you can, voter. And promise me you won't sign off on violence -- ugh. you will. you will send me to my death if you can, me who loves you and never endorsed murder. You patriam.

[Jimjam]

UBI makes a hell of a lot more sense than free healthcare for prisoners and disability to 40 million Americans. Might as well help out people actually working instead of just the pieces of shit

Teachers should get a $5,000 bonus in the next stimulus bill (and paid maternity leave)

UBI, abolish minimum wage. Increased healthcare for workers (as keeping workers healthy and getting workers back to the workplace = increased tax revenue).

[zodium]

the complexity of our individual lives must be understood in the context of a system that must enable its components to contribute effectively to the collective system. thus, we are being, and will continue to be shielded from the true complexity of society. in part this is achieved by progressive specialization that enables individuals to encounter only a very limited subset of the possible professional and social environments. this specialization will have dramatic consequences for our children, and their educational and social environments are likely to become increasingly specialized as well.

given the complexity of human civilization's behavior, it is necessary to conclude self-consistently that as individuals we are unable to understand it, even though we comprise it as a collective. therefore, one would be unwise to argue, on the basis of general considerations, matters of social policy. social policy questions must be dealt with by the system, by the people involved, as direct challenges to the system.

[BarnabusCollins]

When you're left to choose between Trump and Hillary, you know you're country is screwed.

[BlackBellamy]

Why do you compare your life to mine? I have had about 3 fully-alert hours a day through my highest-achieving years. You literally cannot comprehend my frame of reference. But the truth is you still aren't punching down. God laughs from above when you dare to compare our achievements.

I'm on full alert 24/7. It's not by choice; I have these sudden urges to pee. Try to comprehend my frame of reference: I'm sleeping like a boss, three dreams going on at once. Suddenly up standing by the door frame holding a 10lb barbell over my head. My wife walks into the bedroom from her midnight snack. She's completely cubic, her body has expanded to exactly the size of the entryway. I lower the heavy iron knowing it would just bounce off her gelatinous head anyway. Dream number one. I put away the exercise equipment and go to the bathroom and take out my cock. I just keep taking it out, it's like a hose and there's no end in sight. It's coiling on the floor and I'm just hoping it won't go into the toilet because that water is nasty. Dream number two. Once I find the tip I stand there trying to urinate but nothing is coming out. Like there's a blockage. My servant comes in carrying a large plate. I take a snort and he calls me Señor Escobar. Energized I give it a full push and a giant bloody clot shoots out of my dick all over the toilet seat where it starts to crawl around, looking for a place to hide. I stand there pissing hot red blood and I'm trying to hit the clot with my stream, like a game. I push it off the seat and it runs behind the pipes. I'll get it later. Dream number three.

[Luigi]

What the fuck is wrong with you

[Lune]

I'm on full alert 24/7. It's not by choice; I have these sudden urges to pee. Try to comprehend my frame of reference: I'm sleeping like a boss, three dreams going on at once. Suddenly up standing by the door frame holding a 10lb barbell over my head. My wife walks into the bedroom from her midnight snack. She's completely cubic, her body has expanded to exactly the size of the entryway. I lower the heavy iron knowing it would just bounce off her gelatinous head anyway. Dream number one. I put away the exercise equipment and go to the bathroom and take out my cock. I just keep taking it out, it's like a hose and there's no end in sight. It's coiling on the floor and I'm just hoping it won't go into the toilet because that water is nasty. Dream number two. Once I find the tip I stand there trying to urinate but nothing is coming out. Like there's a blockage. My servant comes in carrying a large plate. I take a snort and he calls me Señor Escobar. Energized I give it a full push and a giant bloody clot shoots out of my dick all over the toilet seat where it starts to crawl around, looking for a place to hide. I stand there pissing hot red blood and I'm trying to hit the clot with my stream, like a game. I push it off the seat and it runs behind the pipes. I'll get it later. Dream number three.

this post is better than salvia but not as good as shrooms

[Patriam1066]

UBI, abolish minimum wage. Increased healthcare for workers (as keeping workers healthy and getting workers back to the workplace = increased tax revenue).

Healthcare is 1/6th of the american economy. That’s going to be very hard to do here, we already have shortages of doctors and nurses, and masseuses like Lune think they deserve six figures so yeah, I’m not sure what the answer is there. Oh, not to mention 88% of Americans are obese. Call me old fashioned but I still don’t think you should receive health care if you don’t take “care” of yourself

[SiP]

when i grow Up i want to be an anime girl

(LOL)

[Woke Locc]

when i grow Up i want to be an anime girl

(LOL)

hmm wonder who this is!

[douglas1999]

You guessed it: Frank Stallone

[Jimjam]

Call me old fashioned but I still don’t think you should receive health care if you don’t take “care” of yourself

I think fats are a case for primary health care, preventative healthcare, health education and community health workers.

The reason fats are a healthcare crisis is because it is allowed to become a raging inferno that is very expensive to fight, instead of dealing with it when it is just an ember.

Dollars spent in the right place ensure someone is a healthy worker, productive for the economy, and with a long working life.

Consider the potential taxes lost because someone is a fat cripple that can't work. Think about how they drain healthcare resources. Now compare how little it costs to have proper community health projects and preventative healthcare that greatly reduce the chance that someone becomes a disgusting slob.

I don't care for the moral argument; the economic argument is healthcare to save people from getting disgusting and a burden.

[Luigi]

when i grow Up i want to be an anime girl

(LOL)

YES LOOK AT THAT AVATAR

[JurisDictum]

Healthcare is 1/6th of the american economy. That’s going to be very hard to do here, we already have shortages of doctors and nurses, and masseuses like Lune think they deserve six figures so yeah, I’m not sure what the answer is there. Oh, not to mention 88% of Americans are obese. Call me old fashioned but I still don’t think you should receive health care if you don’t take “care” of yourself

you have no idea how much they spend on me (neither do I) but it's almost all waste.

$2500/week to send a sample through a machine
$like 4000/month on pills

i don't know the rest because they never slipped up and sent me a bill by accident for the MRIs, electroconductance tests, PT, surgeries.

there's not a doctor shortage. there's a doctor mafia. won't even accept a cripple. restricted access. the "profits for R&D" argument is crap.

[JurisDictum]

I'm on full alert 24/7. It's not by choice; I have these sudden urges to pee. Try to comprehend my frame of reference: I'm sleeping like a boss, three dreams going on at once. Suddenly up standing by the door frame holding a 10lb barbell over my head. My wife walks into the bedroom from her midnight snack. She's completely cubic, her body has expanded to exactly the size of the entryway. I lower the heavy iron knowing it would just bounce off her gelatinous head anyway. Dream number one. I put away the exercise equipment and go to the bathroom and take out my cock. I just keep taking it out, it's like a hose and there's no end in sight. It's coiling on the floor and I'm just hoping it won't go into the toilet because that water is nasty. Dream number two. Once I find the tip I stand there trying to urinate but nothing is coming out. Like there's a blockage. My servant comes in carrying a large plate. I take a snort and he calls me Señor Escobar. Energized I give it a full push and a giant bloody clot shoots out of my dick all over the toilet seat where it starts to crawl around, looking for a place to hide. I stand there pissing hot red blood and I'm trying to hit the clot with my stream, like a game. I push it off the seat and it runs behind the pipes. I'll get it later. Dream number three.

when i grow Up i want to be an anime girl

(LOL)

i am used to being highly exceptional with a lack of peer acknowledgment. spent most of my life indoors reading and writing pseudonymously, living with some wealthy person or another. best kept secret. envy is powerful and butthurt 2015 4chan discovery (brown) wizardry is 30+ kill count powerful

[douglas1999]

I often wonder if some of these posts come from an AI quote generator

[JurisDictum]

there's a poster here i know very intimately who thinks my husband (JurisDictum) is not a real separate consciousness. there are also a number of ppl who put me in this storyline "absorbing" Juris who believe i run many accounts here, for instance Patriam and Teppler and other right wingers. Some of them know Juris is real cause they met him and me IRL but they still think I am masterminding other personas. I guess what we can all agree on is I am so smart and prolific that it's mysterious and sexy no matter how transparent I am (very)

i also got really kind of insanely good looking in the last 3 years and ppl don't really believe it when i post pics lol but yeahhh just another AVVERAGE~XD

https://i.imgur.com/wX0RguD.png

[JurisDictum]

it's okay mad-senpais, for a last resort reach-judgment you can just decide i am "crazy" and or "mean"

(i am really nice though [except i throw tantrums when my drug balance is upset...i apologize a lot and freely. but look at these scars dude lol.])

PS i am a useless crippled drug addict, i was only a tech executive for about five minutes, it's not that braggable not sure why the inferiority complexes. (there does that help?)

[SiP]

https://i.imgur.com/BZIWAUt.gif

[JurisDictum]

https://i.imgur.com/BZIWAUt.gif

i lost the spelling bee i was in to this rich beautiful German boy who became a champion swimmer

the word was camouflage. it was b4 i played eq. :(

i spelled it like camoflauge. god

[Woke Locc]

i lost the spelling bee i was in to this rich beautiful German boy who became a champion swimmer

the word was camouflage. it was b4 i played eq. :(

i spelled it like camoflauge. god

The fuck is a clapboard? :confused:

[Ahldagor]

Journalism Use to be....

Someone takes a certain idea and they present the facts and allow the reader to determine how they feel about a given subject. Allowing the reader to determine their own view based on the facts presented. Across Party lines and across political lines. They present the facts in an honest and straight forward manner. Then people develop their own opinion based on what they see. Being a free thinker and a level headed approach.

Profit motive won out like with most things. Media outlets are a business, and analytics is fine tuning that business. They know how much of a market they need to survive and profit, so there's no incentive to expand or present unbiased publications. It's all well and in accordance with the law, so what's the issue?

[BlackBellamy]

Here's a typical example if you need to understand what happened to journalism.

https://www.thecollegefix.com/student-newspaper-staff-quit-en-masse-after-advisor-reportedly-said-breonna-taylor-wasnt-murdered/


In a “letter from the editors” published Monday, the News laid out its grievances against Griffin, who joined as its advisor earlier this month, and demanded her firing as a condition of their return.

The signatories – reportedly 43 out of about 50 newspaper staff – also demanded a reader and staff boycott of the News until Griffin is removed.

One of the incidents involve Griffin’s alleged attempt to stop the News from using the word “murder” to describe the death of Breonna Taylor.

The New York Times notes that Griffin was following standard journalistic practice at several news organizations, which reserve the word “murder” for homicide convictions.

The 43 staff are offended that Griffin has “[r]epeatedly stated that anyone offended by her words was simply being sensitive” and that taking offense was a poor fit in journalism.

They accused her of ignoring “reporters’ personal safety at protests” by telling them to cover breaking local news; “[r]efus[ing] to concede that people interviewed and photographed would want to be anonymous for safety reasons”; trying to edit out “trigger warnings on articles on sexual assault”; and asserting the mainstream view in journalism just a few years ago that “racism is a matter of subjectivity.”

It just goes on and on, I encourage you to read the whole thing.

It's there in a nutshell: Journalism today is not the telling of the news. It's having a giant website/tv station/newpaper/magazine to tell your own opinion and personal story in advance of whatever cause you're championing.

[BlackBellamy]

Another example:

https://www.insidehighered.com/views/2020/09/29/author-apologizes-inside-higher-ed-article-he-recently-wrote-opinion

This guy wrote an innocent article (https://www.insidehighered.com/views/2020/09/24/college-football-can-help-americans-get-through-current-difficult-times-opinion) about why America is better off with college football. You don't have to read it, believe me it's terribly written but it's completely anodyne. Yay for college football.

Well, something happened. Someone or ones got to him. Explained to him how wrong he was, what a racist he was, and how he should grovel and apologize.

And grovel he did.

It's an epic grovel.

If you're familiar with the denunciation and confession culture of authoritarian/communist countries, his writing can be taken directly from some Chinese professor in the 1950's groveling before the Red Brigades right before his execution.

I'm going to quote the entire thing here in case it gets deleted in the source. It's worth reading.

Try to understand what kind of person you have to be or what kind of pressure you have to endure in order to produce something so fucking awful it makes me shudder just looking at it:

It doesn’t. I was wrong. And even worse, I was uninformed, ignorant and harm inducing.

I recently led a piece in Inside Higher Ed titled “Why America Needs College Football.” I am sorry for the hurt, sadness, frustration, fatigue, exhaustion and pain this article has caused anyone, but specifically Black students in the higher education community and beyond.

I am struggling to find the words to communicate the deep ache for the damage I have done. I don’t want to write anything that further deepens the pain experienced by my ignorance related to Black male athletes and the Black community at any time, but especially in light of the national racial unrest. I also don’t want to write anything that suggests that antiracist learning is quick or easy. This is the beginning of a very long process, one that started with learning about the empirical work related to Black college football athletes.

Rather than make excuses, I should talk about which facets of the article that I have recently learned are harmful -- through my students, wider social media community and distinguished academics like Donna Ford, Joy Gaston Gayles and Gilman Whiting.

I learned that I could have titled the piece “Why America Needs Black Athletes.” I learned that Black men putting their bodies on the line for my enjoyment is inspired and maintained by my uninformed and disconnected whiteness and, as written in my previous article, positions student athletes as white property. I have learned that I placed the onus of responsibility for democratic healing on Black communities whose very lives are in danger every single day and that this notion of “democratic healing” is especially problematic since the Black community can’t benefit from ideals they can’t access. I have learned that words like “distraction” and “cheer” erase the present painful moments within the nation and especially the Black community.

Upon such beginnings of reflection, I have also learned that my love for Black athletes on the field doesn’t translate into love within the larger community -- that I have been dismissive of Black lives in moments not athletically celebrated. I have learned that I have taken pleasure in events that ask Black athletes to put their bodies on the line and take physical risks. I have been entertained by Black men who often are conditioned by society and structural racism in ways that lure them into athletics where the odds of making it are slim to none.

I am just beginning to understand how I have harmed communities of color with my words. I am learning that my words -- my uninformed, careless words -- often express an ideology wrought in whiteness and privilege. I am learning that my commitment to diversity has been performative, ignoring the pain the Black community and other communities of color have endured in this country. I am learning that I am not as knowledgeable as I thought I was, not as antiracist as I thought I was, not as careful as I thought I was. For all of these, I sincerely apologize.

I know it’s not anyone’s job to forgive me, but I ask for it -- another burden of a white person haunted by his ignorance. To consider the possible hurt I have played a role in, the scores of others whose pain I didn’t fully see, aches inside me -- a feeling different and deeper than the tears and emotions I’ve experienced being caught in an ignorant racist moment.

To all communities of color and especially the Black community, I am sorry for causing pain by ignoring yours. I really hate the idea of hurting anyone. I hate that I have done this: if I had not ignored the pain of so many, this article would have never been written. I hate that my students have to carry my ignorant racist energy with them at all times. I hate that I brought a graduate student into this space with me as a co-author: Musbah Shaheen, I am sorry. I hate the fact that I have hurt my colleagues at Ohio State and the field of higher education, especially Black scholars whose careers have been spent studying Black lives. I am sorry for ignoring your scholarship. I hate that I have let down my Black friends and friends of color, whom I love.

I am immeasurably grateful to the grace extended by Donna, Joy and Gilman and for their willingness to work with me on these issues. I know they are taking a risk by partnering with me on this pathway. I know that they are carrying a burden by even taking any time with me. I want to thank them.

To really begin the long process of antiracist learning, I am designing a plan for change, for turning the “I am sorry” to “I will change” -- for moving Black Lives Matter from a motto to a pathway from ignorance and toward authentic advocacy. To do this, a colleague of mine asked me to center the question: What can I do to unlearn patterns that hurt and harm Black communities and other communities of color? My center is as a learner, so movement for me will involve unlearning and relearning by listening, reading, dialoguing, reflecting and writing as a means for increasing my awareness and knowledge about systemic racism and the experiences of people of color and people who hold marginalized identities different from my own. I need time to reflect on the specifics of this plan, which includes accountability measures, and I am hoping news media like Inside Higher Ed will consider working with me and others on pieces that come from its enaction.

To be clear, no one should ever put their bodies on the line for entertainment. To be clear, football -- like COVID-19 -- places Black bodies at disproportional risk. To be clear, experts are not immune to ignorance. To be clear, no one can be antiracist and ignore Black pain and that of other communities of color.

You want to be a journalist? You want to publish articles? Wouldn't want anything to happen to your job, or your home, or anything. Why don't you just write this...