Solo shm vs nec (budget edition)

[Tann]

Who would overall be a better soloer and money maker? Budget style, no epics, no expensive spells, no clickies. I know shamans are solo kings with Torpor but what if that ain't even close to feasible.

Figuring a sub 10k budget does the necro win? They could afford almost their whole toolkit with that budget.

Shamans get hosed, Malo is at least 10k, Pox and Bane are twice that easily, and obviously Torpor still more than all those combined. Are they still stronk without that stuff?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Necromancer and Enchanter are the best budget solo options. Enchanters can solo some camps Shamans cannot as well.

Shamans really need Torpor to solo the stuff Enchanters cannot solo. Shamans can still solo well without Torpor, but they would be soloing the same things a Necromancer would be. Guards, Hill Giants, etc.

If you WANT to make a Torpor Shaman, roll Shaman so you can level and kill guards for money at the same time. Your farm rate is going to be roughly equal to Necromancer.

If you don't want to play a Torpor Shaman, roll Necromancer or Enchanter for your farming class.

[kjs86z]

Necro hands down over Shaman on a budget.

[wagorf]

u cant cheap a shm, all the good post 50 spells gonna cost you

[Jibartik]

Shaman is a toy, necro is a tool.
-some gnome

[Izmael]

Go with necro. The class in incredibly fun to play if you're new to it and you can farm serious cash with it at higher levels, the Fingerbone Hoop camp alone can simply make you rich if you put in time and patience.

[Zipity]

The answer is Necro. Close thread.

[Baler]

Necro all day

Roll Iksar Necro, don't even question it, do it.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Again, it just depends on if you plan on using that money for a Shaman. If your goal is to create a Torpor Shaman, kill two birds with one stone and go Shaman. You will level up the class you are planning on financing, and make pretty good money. Shamans can solo many money camps quite well, even before Torpor.

If you are not financing a Shaman, go Iksar Necro.

[Jibartik]

The best counter to a shaman being a farm bot that I've honestly ever heard, aside from the utility a necro offers, is:

A shaman you spend like 300k to farm with, a necro you spend 0 and that's a lot of catching up to do :o

It's a bit of an exaggeration, but just worth considering hehe

[nyclin]

The best counter to a shaman being a farm bot that I've honestly ever heard, aside from the utility a necro offers, is:

A shaman you spend like 300k to farm with, a necro you spend 0 and that's a lot of catching up to do :o

It's a bit of an exaggeration, but just worth considering hehe

this is the best assessment imo... if you're already a pro farmer and have some camps that you want to target which can't be soloed on an ENC or NEC, then you level up a SHM on the side with the expectation that a 300-400k investment might lead to big long-term returns

if you're just starting or aren't already a fat cat, NEC or ENC is gonna be your best bet - both classes could basically farm naked (or in maybe 5-10k of gear) if they wanted to

[Baler]

Use the iksar necro to fund your troll shaman, problem solved.
Moved to resolved.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

If you are farming money for the specific reason of making a Torpor Shaman, and you do not have a farming character already, just go Shaman. Leveling two characters to 60 will take longer than the slightly slower farming speed of a Shaman.

If you are planning on farming money for another character like a Warrior, just go Necro as your farming class.

[Ravager]

Server's 10 years old and gonna be older. You'll end up playing everything eventually, just go with the coolest looking character model and be happy.

[Crede]

Enc > both these options, and necros/shamans lost a lot of their fun when they removed dot damage text.

But if you have to choose, go human necro IMO for the coolness/rarity factor.

[Zipity]

Cheapest And most efficient plat farmer by far However is a bard, you can make 3-5k an hr doing PLs, swarming Droga for skins/salts, swarming dwarfs for coldain heads, etc.

[Bristlebaner]

A properly kitted shaman is magnitudes stronger than a necro. No slow makes necro soloing a real non starter deep in dungeons.

Necros can farm lots of lower level mobs with some success. Think Droga.

Enc puts both to shame.

[dwikt96]

if you just want plat make a bard and swarm to 60 then powerlevel people
necro is a good all around farmer but cant take out specific high value targets and brings nothing to something like farming fungi or guardian wyrms
enchanter can be damn near naked and farm anything a shaman or necro can, and brings something to groups that farm fungi/guardian wyrms etc
shaman can solo camps necro can not, but requires a massive investment of plat for malo/torp/bane/epic

[DMN]

A properly kitted shaman is magnitudes stronger than a necro. No slow makes necro soloing a real non starter deep in dungeons.

Necros can farm lots of lower level mobs with some success. Think Droga.

Enc puts both to shame.

Shaman kills slow as shit and has difficulty moving through certain areas a necro can skip with lulls.I don't think you really know what you are talking about frankly. Necros can even solo dragons in WW if they are fearable, and they enchanter-like kill rates in undead areas.

Shaman can certainly do more but slower and won't get nice stuff like summon corpse, Lull,Charm, FD.

[Noselacri]

Necro wins by a landslide. The only two items you ever really need to care about are CoS and Jboots which are realistically obtainable by anybody even before you hit the higher levels. Staff of the Dreaded Gaze is also very nice to have but hardly essential (and you could farm it solo if you're extremely patient), and it's nowhere near the price/difficulty range of what a shaman needs to perform optimally. You don't even miss out on much by not having necro epic, it's not especially useful. I guess one of the Soul Well staves from VP are the only hard-to-get item that really affects necro effectiveness, but you'll be just fine without it.

Shaman is not budget/casual-friendly at all. Without Malo, Torpor, epic, JBB and some solid gear overall, the class is not much of a soloer besides the common mobs that anyone with spells can solo. To really get the most out of the class, you need not only expensive shit but also some raid gear and high-end quests like Spirit Wracked Cords. If you don't have access to any of that, you'll have a hard time doing any of the really juicy high-end soloing that shamans are known for. It's not just a matter of clickies and spells, you also have to be able to tank stuff that hits in the hundreds, and do it for extended periods of time. If you only have like +400 hp from gear, that's rough.