At what level can one reasonably solo all of the Thurgadin Armor quests?

[Loadsamoney]

I'm about to ding 44 on my Paladin, planning to take Paineel to 50 if I can, maybe even a little higher depending on the captains respawn time, and immediately after that I'm making it a priority to assemble a suit of Thurgadin armor, which means farming the rep and acquiring all the necessary pieces on my own, including gems.

Let's say I do get to 50 before I finally abandon Paineel. Will it be possible for me to solo the mobs needed for the corroded plate pieces at that point? What will be the best enemy for me to farm for the specific gems (maybe excluding crushed diamonds, if they really are 5k a piece...).

[Snaggles]

Unless you plan on burning puppet strings, Midnight market charges, and soulfire clicks a paladin will never solo these mobs. At least not without BIS everything and at that mainly just to see if it’s possible (frankly I don’t know about the second part...my lull is ridiculously bad on lower dogs even at 190 buffed CHA). They certainly will never get corroded armor drops going solo.

60 enchanters farm the flawless diamonds all the time. I don’t know of many that waltz into Kael solo. A scrappy duo/trio is likely possible. Definitely doable with four people.

Best to just join a community Arena night and roll on drops you need. You should be in your low 50’s for this unless you can find a couple solid groups carrying it for the lower levels. Farming plat is always an option too but typically recommended at 60 or close to it.

[Loadsamoney]

Unless you plan on burning puppet strings, Midnight market charges, and soulfire clicks a paladin will never solo these mobs. At least not without BIS everything and at that mainly just to see if it’s possible (frankly I don’t know about the second part...my lull is ridiculously bad on lower dogs even at 190 buffed CHA). They certainly will never get corroded armor drops going solo.

60 enchanters farm the flawless diamonds all the time. I don’t know of many that waltz into Kael solo. A scrappy duo/trio is likely possible. Definitely doable with four people.

Best to just join a community Arena night and roll on drops you need. You should be in your low 50’s for this unless you can find a couple solid groups carrying it for the lower levels. Farming plat is always an option too but typically recommended at 60 or close to it.

So I can't solo any of the 38-40 mobs that have a chance of dropping Corroded and getting it that way? I didn't say it had to be fast or easy, I just need to know what I have at least a chance of being able to kill something in Kael that drops what I need, without help.

For instance: https://wiki.project1999.com/A_Frost_Giant_Berserker

Or

https://wiki.project1999.com/Adjutant_Lynlrom

You're telling me a Paladin cannot solo enemies like this at all, even at 50?

[Jimjam]

These mobs have 2% regen per second while engaged. That is a lot on a mob with maybe 10k hp.

My 52 sk with a reaver (but no haste click) struggles hard to beat that. The level you have for them must be wrong, as the berserker who paths to the entry gives green xp to my 60 ranger (who can beat their regen pretty easily with epics and sky haste click).

Paladin solo relies on using CC breaks to click heal up, I'm not sure if you can win that attrition war against the giant's base regen. At least the sk can constantly apply dps with fear kite.

If you add a second player you will have MUCH more success. I suggest buddying up.

[Snaggles]

Often they are around other mobs. Often lull won’t work. Stuns won’t interupt giants who are healing. Etc.

I’ve never seen a green con to me drop corroded but could be wrong. I’ve only done it half a dozen or so times. Someone else can chime in.

I’m just telling you if it was easy every stupid 51 necro would be farming it to death solo. They aren’t.

[Loadsamoney]

These mobs have 2% regen per second while engaged. That is a lot on a mob with maybe 10k hp.

My 52 sk with a reaver (but no haste click) struggles hard to beat that. The level you have for them must be wrong, as the berserker who paths to the entry gives green xp to my 60 ranger (who can beat their regen pretty easily with epics and sky haste click).

Paladin solo relies on using CC breaks to click heal up, I'm not sure if you can win that attrition war against the giant's base regen. At least the sk can constantly apply dps with fear kite.

If you add a second player you will have MUCH more success. I suggest buddying up.

My assumption was that Kael is a regular zone for leveling, farming, etc, not a raid zone like Planes.

IIRC from my time on PEQ Grand Creation, the giants around the zone entrance are at or just under 40.

[Grokk]

Find one person of each armor type and group together! that way no one competing for armor and everyone has a chance for loot.. shaman/monk/enc maybe!

[Loadsamoney]

Find one person of each armor type and group together! that way no one competing for armor and everyone has a chance for loot.. shaman/monk/enc maybe!

Not a bad idea, but I guess I can also MQ it. Figure roughly 500pp-1kpp for each piece except for the Chest, so maybe 3-5kpp total to get two bracers, helm, gloves, legs, arms and boots.

[Damarous]

Can also do a plate house group. Obscene plate drop rate there, just usually a greed loot process. Might save you some plats though

[Danth]

The giants around the Kael Drakkel zone-in don't drop corroded armor. The giants that do are mostly beyond your ability as a Paladin to effectively solo, and the few a Paladin can sort of handle (a couple of see-invis giants in the 4-way area for example) have such absurdly low drop rates as to render the attempt an exercise in futility. Even if you could solo it, you'd be at or near 60 and already equipped in stuff better than Thurgadin armor by the time you do it.

Thurgadin armor does not require raids, but it's not really meant for soloists either. It's group content for high-level players. Areas such as the plate house offer good drop rates and are very much single-group doable.

You can make the money to MQ the pieces far more quickly than you'd likely be able to solo/duo it. Plate house groups offer good enough drop rates to be worth going there but you'd either need a guild or a decent number of friends--it's not an area you'll usually find pick-up groups (but watch for such groups for when they occur). You can in theory obtain most of the gems (aside from chest slot gems) from random solo'able monsters in zones like Velketor's, but once again you can make the platinum needed to buy the same gems far more rapidly elsewhere. A Paladin is unlikely to solo farm the diamonds effectively although he can quite easily duo for them with an Enchanter partner.

Danth

[Loadsamoney]

The giants around the Kael Drakkel zone-in don't drop corroded armor. The giants that do are mostly beyond your ability as a Paladin to effectively solo, and the few a Paladin can sort of handle (a couple of see-invis giants in the 4-way area for example) have such absurdly low drop rates as to render the attempt an exercise in futility. Even if you could solo it, you'd be at or near 60 and already equipped in stuff better than Thurgadin armor by the time you do it.

Thurgadin armor does not require raids, but it's not really meant for soloists either. It's group content for high-level players. Areas such as the plate house offer good drop rates and are very much single-group doable.

You can make the money to MQ the pieces far more quickly than you'd likely be able to solo/duo it. Plate house groups offer good enough drop rates to be worth going there but you'd either need a guild or a decent number of friends--it's not an area you'll usually find pick-up groups (but watch for such groups for when they occur). You can in theory obtain most of the gems (aside from chest slot gems) from random solo'able monsters in zones like Velketor's, but once again you can make the platinum needed to buy the same gems far more rapidly elsewhere. A Paladin is unlikely to solo farm the diamonds effectively although he can quite easily duo for them with an Enchanter partner.

Danth

if I just MQ all the pieces and buy my own gems, excluding the chest, what kind of ballpark cost am I looking at?

I know the Chest alone is roughly 15k or so, factoring in the diamonds.

It's a toss-up which one I want to go for, either a full set of Thurgadin, or a full set of Hate or Fear armor (I.E Valorium or Righteous) as my entry-level raiding set. One of the two.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

if I just MQ all the pieces and buy my own gems, excluding the chest, what kind of ballpark cost am I looking at?

I know the Chest alone is roughly 15k or so, factoring in the diamonds.

It's a toss-up which one I want to go for, either a full set of Thurgadin, or a full set of Hate or Fear armor (I.E Valorium or Righteous) as my entry-level raiding set. One of the two.

Velious armor is superior to hate armor. For SK/Paly, get Silver Chitin Boots, Gloves, and Bracelets. They are better than their Thurg counterparts. The Thurg arms and hat are good. Thurg legs will cost you 8-10k, and it would probably be cheaper and better to just buy deepwater BP, good stats and clickie.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Just to be a little more clear:

Boots: https://wiki.project1999.com/Crystal_Chitin_Boots - 500pp

Gloves: https://wiki.project1999.com/Crystal_Chitin_Gauntlets - 300pp

Wrists: https://wiki.project1999.com/Silver_Chitin_Wristband - 5k each or https://wiki.project1999.com/Corroded_Plate_Bracer - 2k each including gems, becomes https://wiki.project1999.com/Runed_Protector%27s_Bracer

Helmet: https://wiki.project1999.com/Corroded_Plate_Helmet - 1.3k including gems, becomes https://wiki.project1999.com/Runed_Protector%27s_Helm

Arms: https://wiki.project1999.com/Corroded_Plate_Vambraces - 1k including gems, becomes https://wiki.project1999.com/Runed_Protector%27s_Vambraces

Legs: https://wiki.project1999.com/Corroded_Plate_Greaves - 8.5k including gems, becomes https://wiki.project1999.com/Runed_Protector%27s_Greaves

Breastplate: https://wiki.project1999.com/Deepwater_Breastplate - 11k

[Loadsamoney]

I think I'd rather just farm all the pieces myself then. It'll take time, but I'll make plat doing it instead of losing it, and part of the Everquest experience is actually putting the work in and earning this stuff, Epic included.

I'm using Crystal Chitin on my pally right now but I'm going to transfer that to start my Ranger very soon, and when I do my Pally will be back to using his old gear, including:

Brigandine Tunic
Black Ice Leggings
Silver Chitin Hand Wraps
Dwarven Work Boots
Crested Helmet
Vambraces of Avoidance

So I'm hoping that will be good enough to hold me over until I can start replacing it with Planar or Thurgadin Armor.

[Danth]

The plane of fear set (Valorium) is largely outdated in the Velious era. You might use a few pieces of it as temporary filler but in general it's not worth making a concerted effort to obtain it anymore. The plane of hate Paladin set (Righteous) serves as an alternative to Thurgadin armor because Paladins are one of several classes which do not have a set in Plane of Growth. The hateplane set is limited by a couple factors including the requirement to clear the second floor (not all guilds do) as well as by low drop rates on the pieces. If you're determined enough to obtain it, it's a nice set.

I agree with DeathsSilkyMist with respect to the lack of need to fill out the sets: As a general rule you shouldn't feel like you have to obtain an entire set unless you're doing so for the sake of completion. For example, compare Crystal Chitin Boots to the Paladin Thurgadin set and you should immediately see that there's little point in exchanging one for the other. Chest and legs tend to be the most difficult alternatives to find.

Danth

[Loadsamoney]

The plane of fear set (Valorium) is largely outdated in the Velious era. You might use a few pieces of it as temporary filler but in general it's not worth making a concerted effort to obtain it anymore. The plane of hate Paladin set (Righteous) serves as an alternative to Thurgadin armor because Paladins are one of several classes which do not have a set in Plane of Growth. The hateplane set is limited by a couple factors including the requirement to clear the second floor (not all guilds do) as well as by low drop rates on the pieces. If you're determined enough to obtain it, it's a nice set.

I agree with DeathsSilkyMist with respect to the lack of need to fill out the sets: As a general rule you shouldn't feel like you have to obtain an entire set unless you're doing so for the sake of completion. For example, compare Crystal Chitin Boots to the Paladin Thurgadin set and you should immediately see that there's little point in exchanging one for the other. Chest and legs tend to be the most difficult alternatives to find.

Danth

I like assembling full sets partially for completion, and partially for fashion, making sure my armor is nice and uniform and not a mishmash of different graphics.

I don't suppose people let armor pieces rot in Kael, so I could snag some for free if I just sit at the entrance and wait?

[Danth]

I like assembling full sets partially for completion, and partially for fashion, making sure my armor is nice and uniform and not a mishmash of different graphics.

I don't suppose people let armor pieces rot in Kael, so I could snag some for free if I just sit at the entrance and wait?

Note that the Thurgadin armor set looks exactly the same as Crystal Chitin armor. That might influence your decision-making. Rotting armor is exceedingly rare--even when not needed, most groups/raids will pick up excess pieces for MQ'ing later. You can't just waltz into the areas where that stuff drops anyhow because see-invisible giants will be blocking your path and you aren't high enough a level to hope for lull to reliably land. Pick-up groups go in on occasion, getting it that way or with friends might be your best bet if you don't want to buy MQ's.

Danth

[nasgul]

It is very rare that pieces rot, because typically people are there for loot.

Most pieces are exceptionally cheap to purchase except for the bp and legs.

I suggest joining a plate house group, or sometimes there are small groups at the 4way.

[Loadsamoney]

It is very rare that pieces rot, because typically people are there for loot.

Most pieces are exceptionally cheap to purchase except for the bp and legs.

I suggest joining a plate house group, or sometimes there are small groups at the 4way.

Can you get the bp or legs from Plate House mobs?

[Danth]

Can you get the bp or legs from Plate House mobs?

Yes. Insofar as I know any monster which can drop corroded armor pieces can drop any of the pieces. I obtained my own in there, years ago. The "plate house" is by far the quickest reliable means of obtaining corroded plate.

[Loadsamoney]

Yes. Insofar as I know any monster which can drop corroded armor pieces can drop any of the pieces. I obtained my own in there, years ago. The "plate house" is by far the quickest reliable means of obtaining corroded plate.

Then I take it the bp and legs just sell for so much because they're rarer?

Well, if there are Pugs at Plate House, I'll give it a try when I'm done leveling in Paineel. Hopefully at 50ish Plate House can still give exp as well.

[Danth]

Then I take it the bp and legs just sell for so much because they're rarer?

Well, if there are Pugs at Plate House, I'll give it a try when I'm done leveling in Paineel. Hopefully at 50ish Plate House can still give exp as well.

The chest and legs drop less frequently and are also more in demand due to being harder to replace with non-set items. You seem to under-estimate the level of opposition in Kael Drakkel; most armor-dropping giants are blue at 60 and the final giant in the "plate cycle" /cons even to level 60. I've done that area single-group but everyone in said group was level 60. At 50 you can expect to most likely be part of a small raid, meaning you should go for loot, not necessarily for experience.

Danth

[Loadsamoney]

The chest and legs drop less frequently and are also more in demand due to being harder to replace with non-set items. You seem to under-estimate the level of opposition in Kael Drakkel; most armor-dropping giants are blue at 60 and the final giant in the "plate cycle" /cons even to level 60. I've done that area single-group but everyone in said group was level 60. At 50 you can expect to most likely be part of a small raid, meaning you should go for loot, not necessarily for experience.

Danth

I solo'd that place on my 65 Pally on PEQ Grand Creation with no issues. My assumption was that it was mainly a 40ish zone with enemies that con green at max level and have roughly 2k hp each.

[Evia]

I solo'd that place on my 65 Pally on PEQ Grand Creation with no issues. My assumption was that it was mainly a 40ish zone with enemies that con green at max level and have roughly 2k hp each.

No Kael isn't quite like that. Lots of blues and long fights in Kael even at lvl 60.

[Loadsamoney]

No Kael isn't quite like that. Lots of blues and long fights in Kael even at lvl 60.

So it really is a Raid zone then, basically, like Skyshrine, VP, PoHate/Fear/Sky, etc?

[Kirdan]

Yes, Kael is a raid zone. It's the city of the giants in velious just like Skyshrine is the city of the dragons in velious. Raids happen there. Like most raid zones, it's also possible to do some content with a smaller group. You should try and join people doing plate house or 4way or arena, sometimes those are groups and sometimes those are raids.

[Loadsamoney]

Okay, so assuming I do go after my own pieces then, where should I go for "gem" groups that can drop every gem type needed except maybe flawless diamonds?

(or where can I solo for the gems assuming any of the mobs that can drop them are Undead?)

[Trexller]

Perhaps consider that with the exception of BP/Legs, all of the thurg plate is pretty cheap to find MQs. 500-2k (at the highest) per piece. Make sure you take your helm to that dude in icewell for the cool customization

[Saisu]

Okay, so assuming I do go after my own pieces then, where should I go for "gem" groups that can drop every gem type needed except maybe flawless diamonds?

(or where can I solo for the gems assuming any of the mobs that can drop them are Undead?)

Wakening Lands is likely your best shot with Suits of Sentient armor (lvl45, 5870hp) but I’ve only seen Druids and Wizards quadding, or Enchanters and Bards charming there. Don’t expect to find a group here as it is a typical solo spot.

Geonids (lvl44-47, 6500hp) then would be your next option in Wakening Lands. Be careful because the shaman can mess up your day in those caves. The caves are big enough to support a couple people solo or a few small groups.

Ultimately these gems go for ~100pp each, and are very random in their dropping. I spent maybe 2-3 levels at Suits of Sentient Armor keeping 6-10 mobs down each ~14min cycle (read: fast, plentiful farming with nobody to share loot with) and even though some gems I’d have 10+ of, others still might be at only 2. I know for sure in the 50’s you can earn the PP way faster than you can reliably farm specific gem types.