'Merica's decline isn't Trumps fault (outsiders view)

[White_knight]

Let's air the dirty laundry out.

1. 'Merica has turned themselves into the laughing stock of the world.
2. It isn't Trumps fault.
3. Ironically he's actually the best thing you have going.

So why do 'Mericans like to blame him for every little speed bump? Especially after 8 years of turds like Obama who was one of the worse presidents ever.

Discuss.

[Baler]

Reddit removes Trump sub reddit, leaves anti-white, antifa and porno sub reddits in tact.
Twitch bans trump
Twitter hates trump
Mods on this forum will lock this thread

Guess who the president of the USA will still be in 2021 :cool:

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America is no longer innovating like it did in past decades.
The internet helped push people into believing others think like they do, even when they're the minority or worse fringe.
People living off the system who don't need to be is also a problem.

None of what we consider downfall started with trump and both political parties have failed America. He's just the here and now. People voice their opinions online thinking it matters so they can be justified in their way of thinking.
The age of cellphones and internet is doing just as much good as it is bad. Double edged sword.

And people need to listen to all sides. If you close your eyes and ears ignoring what your "opponent" is saying then you've become brainwashed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxYSW4Zz9iY

[Lune]

#1 and #2 are correct, #3 is not.

Donald Trump is objectively the worst US president in 100 years, yes that includes Nixon, Carter, and Reagan. However, he is a symptom, not a cause. He is the manifestation of a streak of retardation that has run through this country's population since long before its inception.

We are wannabe rugged individualists in a world dominated by far more effective societies run by collectivist cultures. This shows most recently in our embarrassing handling of the coronavirus pandemic where vast swathes of the country couldn't be counted on for social responsibility and civic duty as simple as wearing a fucking mask around other people.

It also shows in how profoundly bad we are, and always have been, at war. Our war machine was fought to a stalemate by a token force of too-young and too-old German garrison units speckled with a few under-equipped panzer, SS, and wehrmacht divisions on WW2's Western front while the Soviets won the war.

Defeated in Korea

Defeated in Vietnam

Defeated in Afghanistan

Barely won the Civil War in spite of massive asymmetry in manpower and industrial output. Look how long it took the Union to wade through all the idiots high up in the military (Scott, McClellan, Pope, Burnside, Hooker, before arriving at a mediocre general in Grant.)

Barely survived the war of 1812 in spite of being an obscure theater of a massive coalition war.

Barely survived the revolutionary war in spite of being an obscure theater of a massive coalition war.

If the United States as it currently stands ever actually gets into a shooting war with a competent enemy it will be so thoroughly disastrous and traumatic to the national psyche that it will be remembered as our Battle of Cannae. For some clues on this, look up how our Navy performs in war-games, look at how each great power has handled the development of next-gen JSF's, or talk to any honest and intelligent person who has been an officer in our military. There are few advantages to our high degree of individualism and martial prowess is not one of them.

Running a prosperous and equitable modern nation-state requires a higher degree of civic responsibility and cultural homogeneity than the USA possesses, as evidenced by the superior outcomes obtained by pretty much all our developed peers, even fascist China.

This country is a failed experiment that has only passably worked for the short periods of its lifespan where individualists (the GOP, essentially) were totally disenfranchised. Eisenhower doesn't count, as he was a collectivist.

[Kennie]

Donald Trump is subjectively* the worst US president in 100 years.

[Kennie]

America is still great it's just whinier than ever. See post by Lune to confirm.

[Woke Locc]

Obama was the worst until Trump came along, now Trump is the worst.

I can prove this mathematically.

[Baler]

Obama was the worst until Trump came along, now Trump is the worst.

I can prove this mathematically.

Bush 2 was the worst before Obama

:rolleyes:

deception
: the act of causing someone to accept as true or valid what is false or invalid
: the act of deceiving

agenda
subject

Think about who is telling you information and why they are telling you that information. Regardless of where you stand.

[Woke Locc]

Bush 2 was the worst before Obama

:rolleyes:

deception
: the act of causing someone to accept as true or valid what is false or invalid
: the act of deceiving

agenda
subject

Think about who is telling you information and why they are telling you that information. Regardless of where you stand.

It's not deceitful if it's true.

[Baler]

It's not deceitful if it's true.

I was agreeing with you and expanding on your point.

Someone out there has an agenda to make you a subject and they're doing that through deception.
This is one reason why every president is 'the worst'. People listen and don't question then repeat what they were told or learned from their environment.

[Snortles Chortles]

https://i.imgur.com/ss6tnke.jpg

[Kaveh]

America is still great it's just whinier than ever. See post by Lune to confirm.

It’s extremely easy to succeed here and with very little work we can easily lead the global fight for democracy, against poverty, and against climate change. The issue is all of the children who believe they’re entitled to a life that mommy and daddy promised them. Sorry pussies, you still have to exert effort and make good decisions to have good outcomes

Also, no one should vote or protest unless and until they’re both 1. Employed and 2. Physically fit (abs if you’re under 40). Anything less and you’re a parasite

[Kaveh]

Obama was the worst until Trump came along, now Trump is the worst.

I can prove this mathematically.

I would like to see this proof, Obama doesn’t seem like the worst

[Woke Locc]

I would like to see this proof, Obama doesn’t seem like the worst

US share of world GDP has declined every year under every President since the 1950 :eek:

[Gwaihir]

Also, no one should vote or protest unless and until they’re both 1. Employed and 2. Physically fit (abs if you’re under 40). Anything less and you’re a parasite

*2nd'd

[Blingy]

It’s extremely easy to succeed here and with very little work we can easily lead the global fight for democracy, against poverty, and against climate change. The issue is all of the children who believe they’re entitled to a life that mommy and daddy promised them. Sorry pussies, you still have to exert effort and make good decisions to have good outcomes

Also, no one should vote or protest unless and until they’re both 1. Employed and 2. Physically fit (abs if you’re under 40). Anything less and you’re a parasite

Silly question of the day.

Way back in 2003 I left corporate desk monkey status. Since then been a full time stay at home dad. No paycheck but do work harder now than in any of my previous jobs. I'm fit (6'1", 170 pounds, walk 30 miles a week). When my 2nd goes off to college I'll return to the paycheck scene.

Do I quality to vote in your world?

[Nilstoniakrath]

Obama was the worst.

I can prove this mathematically.

You don't need math, it is blatantly obvious to any one with a functioning brain

[White_knight]

Well from an outsiders PoV:

Obama was a used carsales type of politician.
A bit of charisma, a bit of charm and a smile that got him through 8 years of presidency.

Completely unremarkable tenure with his biggest achievements been some terrible attempt at heathcare and letting creepy men into women's bathrooms.

[Kaveh]

US share of world GDP has declined every year under every President since the 1950 :eek:

That was the point of the Pax Americana

We hoped helping, things like the Marshall plan and our military protection, would create a better world that avoided things like World War II. Unfortunately, we underestimated our own stupidity and the evil of certain tribes (the Chinese). Now it’s time to start calling dumb shit out within our culture, so that we can right the ship

That’s how dad did it. That’s how America does it

[Swish]

So people are voting for Joe Biden this time then?

[Blingy]

Well from an outsiders PoV:

Obama was a used carsales type of politician.
A bit of charisma, a bit of charm and a smile that got him through 8 years of presidency.

Completely unremarkable tenure with his biggest achievements been some terrible attempt at heathcare and letting creepy men into women's bathrooms.

Sounds like you either didn't know or forgot about Obama's NSA mess. Although Bush gave the NSA some fairly broad powers shit really didn't hit the fan until Snowden. The Utah data center was/is a SUPER WTF is Obama and his cronies doing type thing.

By the end of his tenure there were 5 executive orders that basically gave the NSA authorization to collect any/all data and do with it as they please; no warrants needed.

[pivo]

...leaves ... porno sub reddits in tact.

What is wrong with that? ;)

[gherron]

Well from an outsiders PoV:

Obama was a used carsales type of politician.
A bit of charisma, a bit of charm and a smile that got him through 8 years of presidency.

Completely unremarkable tenure with his biggest achievements been some terrible attempt at heathcare and letting creepy men into women's bathrooms.

Great Recession had to be dealt with. unremarkable is pretty good in this sense

[tsuchang]

Cripes!

[Woke Locc]

What is wrong with that? ;)

The meme I saw said it was rape porn.

Anyway, redtards had more individual subs banned but commietards had a bigger subscribers hit cuz their subs was bigger.

It was good.

[Woke Locc]

That was the point of the Pax Americana

We hoped helping, things like the Marshall plan and our military protection, would create a better world that avoided things like World War II. Unfortunately, we underestimated our own stupidity and the evil of certain tribes (the Chinese). Now it’s time to start calling dumb shit out within our culture, so that we can right the ship

That’s how dad did it. That’s how America does it

The ship sails true. The whole point of the post-war liberal order is that if great powers go to war, both countries starve.

We can feed 300 million easier than they can feed 1.2 billion, if it comes to it. 🥳

[Woke Locc]

https://i.imgur.com/yZa7CE4.jpg

Valkyrie

[BarnabusCollins]

You people judge the puppets and see not the puppetmasters.

[Mota]

You people judge the puppets and see not the puppetmasters.

K who are the puppetmasters?

[Tethler]

You're right that America's decline isn't Trumps fault.

America's decline has been ongoing for decades. Trump is just stepping on the gas.