future for red99?

[DRAGONBAIT]

any new words? green is doing great but there is many of us who just cant sit waiting on a line.

[Bigsham]

just keep asking about it clearly no one gives a fuck

[magnetaress]

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=358896&page=2

[Tassador]

Feeling all time levels of embarrassment for op at this time. Also selling several mana robes on red just never logging in.

[Uton]

You are a moron

[Uton]

OP won box retard title 5 years running

[wiggleroom]

Wig it clean 2020

[Bigsham]

im wiggling this thread

[Snortles Chortles]

dead

[Videri]

We're not allowed to make any more of these threads until Kunark comes out on Green99.

P99 staff are not about to have two servers in Classic era at the same time. Let them open Kunark on Green99, then you're allowed to make this thread again (and again and again). Ok? Ok.

[magnetaress]

We're not allowed to make any more of these threads until Kunark comes out on Green99.

P99 staff are not about to have two servers in Classic era at the same time. Let them open Kunark on Green99, then you're allowed to make this thread again (and again and again). Ok? Ok.

seems kinda dumb

if red2.0 is made it should never leave kunark

in fact it should just open up already in kunark and just stay there

[Gustoo]

I'm thinking we gotta do kubark + iksars only red99 server just for the heck of it.

[Knuckle]

I think Rogean prides himself on not wiping pixels and I can respect that as building trust with your community. That being said doing a pvp approach similar to what green 99 is doing could be wise. The difference is, you'll never maintain a healthy population on a PVP server, but you can keep it "alive" (not one guild alone in the world farming end game) by allowing two-boxing. PVP by its nature isolates the number of parties you can group and explore the world with, this means melee classes are highly undesirable unless part of a poop-sock guild. Casual players and smaller guilds simply cannot compete in this one box classic XP environment. There is nothing inherent that makes it unethical to two-box if the server rules acknowledge it as allowed based on a low population making leveling impossible for certain classes.

I push so hard for this because it kept the PVP scene alive for so many in the 2007-2011 era. For Red99 I really wanted to play a melee, but I basically felt forced into playing a necro/caster class to keep up with my guild as my schedule did not permit me to join the melee groups at optimal hours. That was the reality of Red99 launch. Get in a melee train or get left behind, or level a class that can solo.

Long rant but I think a P99 certified 2 boxing PVP server would create a resurgence we haven't had in a decade.

[magnetaress]

I think Rogean prides himself on not wiping pixels and I can respect that as building trust with your community. That being said doing a pvp approach similar to what green 99 is doing could be wise. The difference is, you'll never maintain a healthy population on a PVP server, but you can keep it "alive" (not one guild alone in the world farming end game) by allowing two-boxing. PVP by its nature isolates the number of parties you can group and explore the world with, this means melee classes are highly undesirable unless part of a poop-sock guild. Casual players and smaller guilds simply cannot compete in this one box classic XP environment. There is nothing inherent that makes it unethical to two-box if the server rules acknowledge it as allowed based on a low population making leveling impossible for certain classes.

I push so hard for this because it kept the PVP scene alive for so many in the 2007-2011 era. For Red99 I really wanted to play a melee, but I basically felt forced into playing a necro/caster class to keep up with my guild as my schedule did not permit me to join the melee groups at optimal hours. That was the reality of Red99 launch. Get in a melee train or get left behind, or level a class that can solo.

Long rant but I think a P99 certified 2 boxing PVP server would create a resurgence we haven't had in a decade.
Yeah I agree.

Boxing is inherently fine, its when mixed with automation and exploits it gets bad.

Anyway 1 lvl 50 or 60 can easily exploit most grouping and soloing content and dungeons. So...... liekk. u don't even need to box to be bad for the server, or a bad player, keep that in mind..

at least on pvp u can kill players u dont really like

[Kerwin 5.0]

make pvp box with timelock progression classic to PoP

[Snortles Chortles]

https://i.imgur.com/m3AHOIV.jpg

[Kerwin 5.0]

fuck u Lulz, hope all is well irl

[Uuruk]

Some real fucking losers in this thread

[Uuruk]

seems kinda dumb

if red2.0 is made it should never leave kunark

in fact it should just open up already in kunark and just stay there

dumb tranny

[magnetaress]

dumb tranny

Mad,I don't know at what

[Tassador]

This was the runlvlzero guy right? Was pretty bad at EQ but was always seeking attention. Lulz brings something to the boards tho. He spices it up and when he spams the same gif it reminds me of that guy who used to do the robot on some of chapelle skits. Magnetress is novel quest I don’t care about eq that much to read that nonsense. Keep it short it keep it light and keep it moving.

[Snortles Chortles]

https://i.imgur.com/seh6p.gif

[magnetaress]

https://i.imgur.com/seh6p.gif

[Kerwin 5.0]

https://i.imgur.com/seh6p.gif

[Bigsham]

This was the runlvlzero guy right? Was pretty bad at EQ but was always seeking attention. Lulz brings something to the boards tho. He spices it up and when he spams the same gif it reminds me of that guy who used to do the robot on some of chapelle skits. Magnetress is novel quest I don’t care about eq that much to read that nonsense. Keep it short it keep it light and keep it moving.

Runlevelzero was pre tranny

also hi hammertime

[Uuruk]

Is everyone hammertime here

[Knuckle]

Yeah I agree.

Boxing is inherently fine, its when mixed with automation and exploits it gets bad.

Anyway 1 lvl 50 or 60 can easily exploit most grouping and soloing content and dungeons. So...... liekk. u don't even need to box to be bad for the server, or a bad player, keep that in mind..

at least on pvp u can kill players u dont really like

To point out how detrimental no-boxxing on a PVP server is; I have a 57 rogue that has to wait to find a bard swarm kiting that will let me leech to gain xp. I might go incognito on RoZ just to get that two box feels back of actually being able to level and play on a PVP Server. I'd prefer Red99 due to legit ruleset/itemization/coding but its unrealistic to one-box without being in the raid guild.

[White_knight]

To point out how detrimental no-boxxing on a PVP server is; I have a 57 rogue that has to wait to find a bard swarm kiting that will let me leech to gain xp. I might go incognito on RoZ just to get that two box feels back of actually being able to level and play on a PVP Server. I'd prefer Red99 due to legit ruleset/itemization/coding but its unrealistic to one-box without being in the raid guild.

Yeah I agree, red99 should be a boxing server at this stage to bring life back to it.

heck I would play it if I knew I could 2 box on it (legally).

[magnetaress]

Yeah, geting a melee + 55 is no bueno legit and everyone knows it. It was already bad years ago.

[Baler]

The future of red is whatever you imagine it to be.

[DRAGONBAIT]

give us red 2.0 thanks, not that hard.

[Eldini]

There are 9 players in EverQuest.

some time in the future on red 99:

There are 13 players in EverQuest.

[magnetaress]

Just R.I.P. folks. The one multi boxer I knew, who was literally half the population. I emancipated to TakP.

Red was glorious. It's now dead.

There's room in the EQPvP universe for a pvp server that stops at Kunark or even classic and offers transfers to blue. Red as it is will never survive.

[Old_PVP]

Future is bright. Bigly things on the horizon with terrific people.

[Mr Popo]

It was dead a long ass time ago (2010ish but i dont remember exactly) too before there were 500 people a night. If you want to play, roll a druid or wizard and wait for everyone else to come back. Make some friends, roll a party together, its not super complicated.

[Bardp1999]

As much as I malign the Red server in my normal forum questing activities, a new pvp server might actually be fun to play on. Would be cool to open Teal again when Green reaches Kunark with the ability to transfer but with the caveat that Teal is now the new Red

[Dolalin]

Sullon Zek remake would be cool.

No way vanilla rallos-zek style pvp will ever be popular though. Just give up.

[Caleb_Crawdad]

Sullon Zek remake would be cool.

No way vanilla rallos-zek style pvp will ever be popular though. Just give up.

Yup. People want to fight for a side/team. It makes solo players a lot more comfortable. Non PvPrs also enjoy the thrill!

[Visual]

What incentive do I have to play red? There are a handful of players and they all have NToV loot.

I will def jump in on new server

[Bozer Dispozer]

Sullon Zek remake would be cool.

No way vanilla rallos-zek style pvp will ever be popular though. Just give up.

Because it has been tried so times and didn’t work....

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[watbab]

What incentive do I have to play red? There are a handful of players and they all have NToV loot.

I will def jump in on new server

[El Camacho]

What incentive do I have to play red? There are a handful of players and they all have NToV loot.

I will def jump in on new server

There are plenty that do not have NTOV loot.

10-20 people could change the entire dynamic of the server if they so wished to.

Most just post that they will not do anything until someone changes it for them.

/shrug

[watbab]

There are plenty that do not have NTOV loot.

There isn't 'plenty' of any kind of person on dead99, pal.

[Imago]

Last night saw 15 vs 20 PvP over TOV. Another 20 on a separate team would have changed the game. Another 40 would have been a totally different kind of change. Would 100% be worth a serious force coming to Red for pixels at the moment.

[White_knight]

Last night saw 15 vs 20 PvP over TOV. Another 20 on a separate team would have changed the game. Another 40 would have been a totally different kind of change. Would 100% be worth a serious force coming to Red for pixels at the moment.

There are plenty that do not have NTOV loot.

10-20 people could change the entire dynamic of the server if they so wished to.

Most just post that they will not do anything until someone changes it for them.

/shrug


Those 10-20 people would just merge into one guild and farm ToV for another bazzlion years to have 12-15 NTOV geared alts.

The moment there is enough people to slay rooted dragons the sickness will rise to the top and deals will be made.

Also why the F does anyone on this server need yet another NTOV geared toon? It's not a joke when people say the average person here has atleast 2-3 ntov geared toons, plus access to probably another 10-15 from people who have quit.

Lets be real about it guys.

[Gustoo]

It's not a joke when people say the average person here has atleast 2-3 ntov geared toons, plus access to probably another 10-15 from people who have quit.



I suck at this game and don't

Someone want to give me an cleric epic hand out, I would log in for that and also like any youtube video you post.

[Nuggie]

Coming here makes sense in regard to not having to compete for a spot to play. But doesn't make sense in terms of there being a community to play with.

My plan with Green was to level up some mages with my 2 kids. That fell to shit on launch night when they were turned away by having to compete for spiderlings. Maybe I will get them to log into red and we could quick level up a trio.

[Gustoo]

Red is a lot of fun, but how old are your kids?

Not being an asshole but take em out to play frisbee or something.

[Tassador]

Dude has dog with char names and one is from wow. Imagine that guy playing red. Also I would def log into for the first time in 3 years to make sure you all get the red experience from crushbone to unrest. You will thank me later when you’re back on green competing for lvl 1 mobbies.

[Gustoo]

Ah man I get shivers just thinking about taking a flame shock thru the window at the crushbone throne room from that guy.

Guaranteed to be a gnome piece of shit too.

lol man i'm getting to the point where I'm gunna take a month off work and tell my loved ones that i'm on coronavirus lock down if there is ever a fresh red.

[El Camacho]

Those 10-20 people would just merge into one guild and farm ToV for another bazzlion years to have 12-15 NTOV geared alts.

The moment there is enough people to slay rooted dragons the sickness will rise to the top and deals will be made.

Also why the F does anyone on this server need yet another NTOV geared toon? It's not a joke when people say the average person here has atleast 2-3 ntov geared toons, plus access to probably another 10-15 from people who have quit.

Lets be real about it guys.

That will happen no matter what.

People will gravitate towards the path of least resistance and the remainder will become the resistance.

As for NTOV characters, who cares. Some people still like playing the game as it is.

[Uton]

Also I would def log into for the first time in 3 years to make sure you all get the red experience from crushbone to unrest. You will thank me later when you’re back on green competing for lvl 1 mobbies.

Stfu you fukn loser. You would get your cracker ass beat the fuk down if you came back to red. Bitch

[Nuggie]

Red is a lot of fun, but how old are your kids?

Not being an asshole but take em out to play frisbee or something.

12 and 14. Not a fan of frisbee, but we do stuff in the great outdoors too. A moderate amount of hiking/backpacking(yes, outside at night in the mountains, in hammocks[fuck tents]). Thanks for the parenting advice. Dick.

[Christina.]

make pvp box with timelock progression classic to PoP

The resist become too much even in velious. How would a caster nuke someone in luclin / PoP lol

[Gustoo]

12 and 14. Not a fan of frisbee, but we do stuff in the great outdoors too. A moderate amount of hiking/backpacking(yes, outside at night in the mountains, in hammocks[fuck tents]). Thanks for the parenting advice. Dick.

That's why I asked how old they are. Like I said I'm not trying to be an asshole (or a dick) I just wouldn't want to expose my loved ones to this, sadly.

But at least your kids are prime EQ age and not inappropriately young. GL parenting and hammocks are pretty cool.

Sorry for being offensive. GL with your kids I hope they have amazing lives.

[Nuggie]

@Gustoo

Right now my bigger concern is them getting not enough social interaction because people are afraid to talk to one another right now. Raids/guilds can serve as a make-shift team sport in this social skill building effort. Not that I want to raid.

[Gustoo]

Cool man. GL out there!

[Bigsham]

The resist become too much even in velious. How would a caster nuke someone in luclin / PoP lol

Lures work no matter what

druids get dots, other casters are shit anyways

[Raclen]

The resist become too much even in velious. How would a caster nuke someone in luclin / PoP lol

Rise of Zek is supposed to be a classic - PoP box but so far they have only made it through Luclin. PoP still need work. What they do to balance resists for PvP is adjust resists each expansion to compensate for the added gear. It is a simple system that works well. They just have to find an adjustment that fits the expansion which can take some testing the first time implemented.

Having custom resists for PvP in each expansion might be something Project 1999 can't get behind but it is better for game play. It also doesn't have to effect PvE.

[Uuruk]

Rise of Zek is supposed to be a classic - PoP box but so far they have only made it through Luclin. PoP still need work. What they do to balance resists for PvP is adjust resists each expansion to compensate for the added gear. It is a simple system that works well. They just have to find an adjustment that fits the expansion which can take some testing the first time implemented.

Having custom resists for PvP in each expansion might be something Project 1999 can't get behind but it is better for game play. It also doesn't have to effect PvE.
All RoZ servers are dead now.

[Bigsham]

They were dead from the start lol

[Tassador]

Maybe RoZ 3.0 will be Everquest and not custom feels for the crew.

[Frug]

Maybe RoZ 3.0 will be Everquest and not custom feels for the crew.

What happened to 2.0? The population has dropped through the floor.

https://i.imgur.com/GB1wcvs.png

[Tassador]

I clicked on that graph and throughly enjoyed it. Thanks for the share big dog.

[Heywood]

What happened to 2.0? The population has dropped through the floor.

https://i.imgur.com/GB1wcvs.png

GMs made a change where you get sent to your bind point if you log out anywhere in velious (minus Iceclad?) for more than 15 minutes. It was implemented to stop Guild A from pre-parking several waves of toons to fight Guild B in ToV/Kael/etc. Guild A decided to boycott the server, to which the GMs reverted the change. Guild B was upset so they ended up quitting the server, which pretty much made everyone stop playing.


I'm probably wrong on some details, but i believe that's the gist of it.

[Uuruk]

GMs made a change where you get sent to your bind point if you log out anywhere in velious (minus Iceclad?) for more than 15 minutes. It was implemented to stop Guild A from pre-parking several waves of toons to fight Guild B in ToV/Kael/etc. Guild A decided to boycott the server, to which the GMs reverted the change. Guild B was upset so they ended up quitting the server, which pretty much made everyone stop playing.


I'm probably wrong on some details, but i believe that's the gist of it.

Sounds about right

[El Prez]

GMs made a change where you get sent to your bind point if you log out anywhere in velious (minus Iceclad?) for more than 15 minutes. It was implemented to stop Guild A from pre-parking several waves of toons to fight Guild B in ToV/Kael/etc. Guild A decided to boycott the server, to which the GMs reverted the change. Guild B was upset so they ended up quitting the server, which pretty much made everyone stop playing.


I'm probably wrong on some details, but i believe that's the gist of it.

ugh, that's so fucking stupid/short-sighted. I love the boys over at RoZ and still believe they can deliver the best EQ pvp experience if they can just chill the fuck out a bit with their willingness to tinker with EVERYTHING. The RoZ product is still very good and has a passionate staff willing to do the work.

RoZ staff, bring me in as a consultant, not sure anyone has more experience than me analyzing actual root causes for the failure to establish a sustainable pvp environment. The fact that no one stopped this change from going live makes me think you have an echo chamber when it comes to points of view.

still your fan, El Prez <3

[Uuruk]

ugh, that's so fucking stupid/short-sighted. I love the boys over at RoZ and still believe they can deliver the best EQ pvp experience if they can just chill the fuck out a bit with their willingness to tinker with EVERYTHING. The RoZ product is still very good and has a passionate staff willing to do the work.

RoZ staff, bring me in as a consultant, not sure anyone has more experience than me analyzing actual root causes for the failure to establish a sustainable pvp environment. The fact that no one stopped this change from going live makes me think you have an echo chamber when it comes to points of view.

still your fan, El Prez <3
It was Renlys idea except after it went live and was a failure he tried to blame cwall and also said even though it was his idea he didn't support it.

[Bigsham]

i wonder how colgate is doing?

Remember when he raided velious 12 hours a day for a year then quit and made fun of everyone raiding velious ?

im sure he makes millions like farzo

[Christina.]

I'd play RoZ again if they took away boxing completely or put it at max of 2 like in 1.0. I played a mage name Rick. Im the one who started the saying "For Ak'anon!" Or linked a bottle of milk whenever I killed someone haha. Fun times.

[El Prez]

I'd play RoZ again if they took away boxing completely or put it at max of 2 like in 1.0. I played a mage name Rick. Im the one who started the saying "For Ak'anon!" Or linked a bottle of milk whenever I killed someone haha. Fun times.

2 box max and players only being able to participate on the box via 2 accounts. A lot of the emu problems like stablequesting come from players not needing to worry about subscriptions and placing each of their 8 toons on a separate account. We've all done it and enjoyed the perks and should be able to face that it fucks up the game. It's an exploit of a free product. The game was designed so 1 account can hold 8 toons. It's a lot easier to act a fool/exploit when a ban only appies to 1 character.

Died on toon one, two, and three? switch accounts, save res timer. rinse repeat. Multiple accounts is probably the most unclassic and least talked about problem that RoZ/Red share. On both boxes the way to combat the winning team becomes how many accounts can 5-10 players share and camp out and in some whacky spot.

Allow one time character migrations for those that have toons on diff accounts and if further actions is needed enforce some level of IP/Mac address associations per account. Of course something like that would have to be well thought out, specially for those with dynamic ip plans. Just sayin tho

[White_knight]

2 box max and players only being able to participate on the box via 2 accounts. A lot of the emu problems like stablequesting come from players not needing to worry about subscriptions and placing each of their 8 toons on a separate account. We've all done it and enjoyed the perks and should be able to face that it fucks up the game. It's an exploit of a free product. The game was designed so 1 account can hold 8 toons. It's a lot easier to act a fool/exploit when a ban only appies to 1 character.

Died on toon one, two, and three? switch accounts, save res timer. rinse repeat. Multiple accounts is probably the most unclassic and least talked about problem that RoZ/Red share. On both boxes the way to combat the winning team becomes how many accounts can 5-10 players share and camp out and in some whacky spot.

Allow one time character migrations for those that have toons on diff accounts and if further actions is needed enforce some level of IP/Mac address associations per account. Of course something like that would have to be well thought out, specially for those with dynamic ip plans. Just sayin tho

It's a good point but man who's gunna hall monitor that shit rofl.
Would be a full-time job in itself.


i wonder how colgate is doing?

Remember when he raided velious 12 hours a day for a year then quit and made fun of everyone raiding velious ?

im sure he makes millions like farzo

last I heard he was doing well in a job he studied towards, why you hating on Colgate now?

lotta hate in your bones man.

[El Prez]

It's a good point but man who's gunna hall monitor that shit rofl.
Would be a full-time job in itself.

meh, depends on what identifying resources are available to the staff and if they'd be inclined to implement a system where those wanting to play have to make a one time submission for access.


The RoZ staff was already willing to oversee this kind of thing when they were making sure to only give away 1 lvl 46 toon to peoples.

These ideas are more for a new server and to get some root cause conversations going.

[Tassador]

You do realize that the fundamental issue with RoZ is it’s not Everquest. It’s customized for pvp and for the likes of pvp vets who have no interest in a real grind or journey. What locks people up is that time investment that as a player you get to reap the benefits later on. For myself was sacrificing tons of play time in the beginning to be able to demolish future red players in crushbone and mistmoore.

The journey locks you in. The building you char little by little while pvping over Craig spiders and bat fang earrings is way more fun than fully geared tov zoneline guild to guild combat. Sure after your char grows you move towards the bigger pvp fights but without the many little fights on your way up you just have a server full of vets and farzo’s...

The short version of this post is I am sorry RoZ is a custom shit box. Enjoy your free lvl 46.

[Krazy/sickpuppy]

You do realize that the fundamental issue with RoZ is it’s not Everquest. It’s customized for pvp and for the likes of pvp vets who have no interest in a real grind or journey. What locks people up is that time investment that as a player you get to reap the benefits later on. For myself was sacrificing tons of play time in the beginning to be able to demolish future red players in crushbone and mistmoore.

The journey locks you in. The building you char little by little while pvping over Craig spiders and bat fang earrings is way more fun than fully geared tov zoneline guild to guild combat. Sure after your char grows you move towards the bigger pvp fights but without the many little fights on your way up you just have a server full of vets and farzo’s...

The short version of this post is I am sorry RoZ is a custom shit box. Enjoy your free lvl 46.
Who are you again ?

[Snortles Chortles]

https://i.imgur.com/2YUZd8G.gif

[Amyas]

Unroot dragons

Release Luclin still level 60eq ! =P

Please no pop

[Bigsham]

Rooting dragons best idea ever

Ultimate troll for blue losers , you guys dont even have pvp to deal with and still complain

[Danger]

rogean cant stop talking about it

[White_knight]

Rooting dragons best idea ever

Ultimate troll for blue losers , you guys dont even have pvp to deal with and still complain

Hacktually....Dargons on Blue are contested way more in a PvP (GvG) sense then they were ever on Red. The way Blue guilds engage rooted Dargons and adpated to changes have been impressive to see/participate in.

Red99 100% the more Blue server with only ever 1 guild killing Dargons - there's maybe 10 noteable times where guild on guild Dargon fighting happened in Red99s entire history.

Red99 guilds like Nilly, Apex, Empire were full of washed up blue converts looking for an easier pixel run, but no shame in that, was an intelligent thing to do to see ToV raid zones etc.

Takes 500% more skill, and determination to kill Dargon's on Blue then it ever did on Red as most Red99 guilds were 80% warmbodies, where as on Blue you need to be quite a bit more active as a whole guild to be sucessful.

Also say hello to your Grandma if you still live with her.

[Disease]

Hacktually....Dargons on Blue are contested way more then they were ever on Red. The way Blue guilds engage rooted Dargons and adpated to changes have been impressive to see/participate in.

Red99 100% the more Blue server with only ever 1 guild killing Dargons - there's maybe 10 noteable times where guild on guild Dargon fighting happened in Red99s entire history.

Red99 guilds like Nilly, Apex, Empire were full of washed up blue converts looking for an easier pixel run, but no shame in that, was an intelligent thing to do to see ToV raid zones etc.

Takes 500% more skill, and determination to kill Dargon's on Blue then it ever did on Red as most Red99 guilds were 80% warmbodies, where as on Blue you need to be quite a bit more active as a whole guild to be sucessful.

Also say hello to your Grandma if you still live with her.


You were in all 3 of them guilds and went 2-59 in pvp. Move on man.

[White_knight]

Okay Tassador or Tomatoe King (Bigsham) on anonymous account, thanks for your input again.

Maybe logout of your other account before posting next time.

[Tassador]

No that one is not me. I don’t have the energy to do that anymore. Barely trolling at a 3 out of 10 these days.

[Heywood]

Takes 500% more skill, and determination to kill Dargon's on Blue then it ever did on Red as most Red99 guilds were 80% warmbodies, where as on Blue you need to be quite a bit more active as a whole guild to be sucessful.



I was under the impress that blue just zergs dragon nowadays?

Youre right that most people on apex are warmbodies though.

[Bigsham]

Bad players always lump into the winning guild, red99 was a server full of people who didnt want to deal with pvp while farming raid mobs

for more examples see every single guild other then epidemic ( Best guild on red99 )

See you in thurgadin

LOL Pvp on blue

[White_knight]

haha I love you guys, red99 community by far the funnest I've ever been apart of.

[White_knight]

No that one is not me. I don’t have the energy to do that anymore. Barely trolling at a 3 out of 10 these days.

ahah just sounded like you is all.