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Asher
05-09-2020, 10:34 PM
Not sure if it is on the loot table or not, but I'd like to post the evidence that this is the case prior to killing him a bunch of times and never seeing it.

https://web.archive.org/web/20000615000000*/https://www.allakhazam.com/

Unfortunately, you cant see a date on that page.

Browse to web.archive.org
Search for: https://www.allakhazam.com/
Click on the oldest page available; April 7th 2000 (Kunark was April 24th 2000)
Click on "this link" hyperlink.
Click on equipment
Click on Held Items (non-melee)
Scroll down to Eye of Innoruuk

Thank you.

Erati
05-10-2020, 12:52 AM
EQlizers Inny page from April 7, 2000

https://web.archive.org/web/20000616073003/http://www.gameznet.com/eq/ultra/innoruuk.html

Asher
07-12-2020, 03:07 PM
/bump

Still No Eye of Innoruuk on Green.

Can a dev confirm that it is on his loot table?

Kirdan
07-12-2020, 07:34 PM
There are a couple classic Inny drops that haven't shown up yet, it's not like he's died a ton yet.

Asher
07-13-2020, 01:31 PM
There are a couple classic Inny drops that haven't shown up yet, it's not like he's died a ton yet.

Agreed, but I'd rather not wait until we have a statistically significant number to say that it isn't dropping, if a Dev is willing to spend 5 minutes checking the table and confirming.

Dolalin
07-16-2020, 11:20 AM
OP isn't used to the Wayback machine and its quirks. Long story short, this isn't proof the Eye was around before Kunark.

1) Click on the OP's link, you get sent to an April 7th 2000 allakhazam, yes.

2) Click "This Link" as directed, and you get redirected to a May 2000 version of everquest.allakhazam.com, here: https://web.archive.org/web/20000511132450/http://everquest.allakhazam.com/

3) Click on Equipment as directed, and you get redirected to this page here from June 20th, 2000: https://web.archive.org/web/20000620002029/http://everquest.allakhazam.com/equipment/equipment.htm

4) Click Held Items (non-melee), and you get redirected to this page here from October 26th, 2000: https://web.archive.org/web/20001026215952/http://everquest.allakhazam.com/equipment/Held.html

So the Eye of Innoruuk entry the OP is referencing is actually from the October 26th 2000 version of Allakhazam.

How did this happen? Wayback will send you to the closest/latest version of the page you click on based on the page you came from. So just by clicking around you will always gradually drift towards the future. You always have to check the link you are sent to - click to open links in a new tab and check the URL.

Anyways, I did some digging on this, and Everlore, EQLizer both added Eye of Innoruuk in September/October 2000, coinciding with the introduction of epics. Other sites like Graffe have the same pattern:

First Everlore comments on Eye of Innoruuk are from October 2000:

http://web.archive.org/web/20020131143734/http://www.everlore.com/items/items.asp?IID=244705&mode=show&pg=1&sortby=1

EQLizer news page shows them adding Eye of Innoruuk on September 21st 2000:

http://web.archive.org/web/20001002175740/gameznet.com/eq/index.shtml

EQ General Forums topic "Verant: Quite a tease to Wizards with Eye of Innoruuk", last post Nov 30 2000:

http://web.archive.org/web/20001202162100/boards.station.sony.com/everquest/cgi-bin/forumdisplay.cgi?action=topics&number=2&forum=General+Discussion&DaysPrune=10&startpoint=680

eqloot.gamez.com shows Eye of Innoruuk updated on October 17, 2000:

https://web.archive.org/web/20001201052400/eqloot.gamez.com/items/held/index.html

Graffe.com equipment page doesn't have Eye of Innoruuk in September 2000, but it has it in October 2000:

http://web.archive.org/web/20000918121234/www.graffe.com/equipment/equipment.htm

http://web.archive.org/web/20001015023403/www.graffe.com/equipment/equipment.htm

Epic quests in EQ were released in September 2000, so this is incredibly suspicious timing for the Eye of Innoruuk to start being added all over the place. It was almost certainly added with epics and should be versioned to September 2000.

https://wiki.project1999.com/Patch_Notes#September_19.2C_2000

Nirgon
07-16-2020, 11:24 AM
^

Telin
07-30-2020, 12:16 AM
Working as intended.

Asher
08-08-2020, 04:27 PM
OP isn't used to the Wayback machine and its quirks. Long story short, this isn't proof the Eye was around before Kunark.

1) Click on the OP's link, you get sent to an April 7th 2000 allakhazam, yes.

2) Click "This Link" as directed, and you get redirected to a May 2000 version of everquest.allakhazam.com, here: https://web.archive.org/web/20000511132450/http://everquest.allakhazam.com/

3) Click on Equipment as directed, and you get redirected to this page here from June 20th, 2000: https://web.archive.org/web/20000620002029/http://everquest.allakhazam.com/equipment/equipment.htm

4) Click Held Items (non-melee), and you get redirected to this page here from October 26th, 2000: https://web.archive.org/web/20001026215952/http://everquest.allakhazam.com/equipment/Held.html

So the Eye of Innoruuk entry the OP is referencing is actually from the October 26th 2000 version of Allakhazam.

How did this happen? Wayback will send you to the closest/latest version of the page you click on based on the page you came from. So just by clicking around you will always gradually drift towards the future. You always have to check the link you are sent to - click to open links in a new tab and check the URL.

Anyways, I did some digging on this, and Everlore, EQLizer both added Eye of Innoruuk in September/October 2000, coinciding with the introduction of epics. Other sites like Graffe have the same pattern:

First Everlore comments on Eye of Innoruuk are from October 2000:

http://web.archive.org/web/20020131143734/http://www.everlore.com/items/items.asp?IID=244705&mode=show&pg=1&sortby=1

EQLizer news page shows them adding Eye of Innoruuk on September 21st 2000:

http://web.archive.org/web/20001002175740/gameznet.com/eq/index.shtml

EQ General Forums topic "Verant: Quite a tease to Wizards with Eye of Innoruuk", last post Nov 30 2000:

http://web.archive.org/web/20001202162100/boards.station.sony.com/everquest/cgi-bin/forumdisplay.cgi?action=topics&number=2&forum=General+Discussion&DaysPrune=10&startpoint=680

eqloot.gamez.com shows Eye of Innoruuk updated on October 17, 2000:

https://web.archive.org/web/20001201052400/eqloot.gamez.com/items/held/index.html

Graffe.com equipment page doesn't have Eye of Innoruuk in September 2000, but it has it in October 2000:

http://web.archive.org/web/20000918121234/www.graffe.com/equipment/equipment.htm

http://web.archive.org/web/20001015023403/www.graffe.com/equipment/equipment.htm

Epic quests in EQ were released in September 2000, so this is incredibly suspicious timing for the Eye of Innoruuk to start being added all over the place. It was almost certainly added with epics and should be versioned to September 2000.

https://wiki.project1999.com/Patch_Notes#September_19.2C_2000


Oops. Wasnt trying to mislead. Thank you for that update.