How many rebounds can you get off the boards?

[Macken]

You need boards to be fully immersed in basketball.

[JayDee]

I kept telling the staff leaderboards would dwindle our population, and it subsequently did just that. Removed accordingly.

/close thread

[naez]

obligatory http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/7100/etay.png


leaderboards own, would be interesting, you all blue as fuck

[naez]

/reopen

[naez]

http://www.notacult.com/fastinyoh/fastinyohrox.JPG

[JayDee]

what game is that bro

[Misto]

aw shit flowers of happiness shit just got srs

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://blog.dreamhost.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/08/serious.jpg&imgrefurl=http://blog.dreamhost.com/2006/08/&usg=__HOt_MjwIoIKOv_X78ckzoFT8HGE=&h=365&w=300&sz=25&hl=en&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=8rOGLYCjdNmB5M:&tbnh=126&tbnw=107&ei=yzTATfWINouN0QGlvumaBQ&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dserious%26hl%3Den%26biw%3D1280%26bih% 3D591%26gbv%3D2%26tbm%3Disch&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=258&vpy=225&dur=532&hovh=248&hovw=203&tx=114&ty=128&page=1&ndsp=21&ved=1t:429,r:8,s:0

[Prince]

obligatory http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/7100/etay.png


leaderboards own, would be interesting, you all blue as fuck



u acked tho doesnt count

[naez]

what game is that bro

Sullon Zek

aw shit flowers of happiness shit just got srs

You kno wut time it is http://www.notacult.com/forums/images/smilies/flower.gif

u acked tho doesnt count

#kill counts

[Macken]

This from the author of the webpage of logs of SZ kills:


Wonder if someone is farming points in August?
Fastinyohrox had the most kills with 422.
Pompousmick had the most deaths with 422.

=/

[Macken]

i won SZ and i would have averaged only 180 kills in that August.

Sorry Naez.

[Macken]

In my opinion, anyone who thinks a leaderboard would not increase population is trying to make a decision with no experience.

It is my belief that anyone who experienced a leaderboard such as SZ's already knows the correct answer.

If anyone voted no to the above poll, check and see if they have any experience with a well thought out, professionaly done EQ pvp leaderboard server for a length of time.

If they don't, then their opinion is factually not qualified and if put in a position to make decisions will obviously have to make an uninformed decision about a topic with no experience.

If you aren't old enough to understand what will happen if people are put in a position like the above paragraph. Let's just say doesn't turn out well.

[Macken]

But that's just my opinion.

I might be biased because i really enjoy leaderboards. And i therefore i think everyone else does too.

Here is a list where me, my brother and a rl friend make up the top 5. Another rl friend is in the top 15. We all think a leaderboard for a pk server is not only really fun but essential.

I have a hard time understanding why anyone would think different. If you vote no, please explain why.


Top 20 Overall - Evil

1. Iackey 109,513 pts
2. Despairr 77,359 pts
3. Xebekn 60,324 pts
4. Moru 56,537 pts
5. Cheeze 56,341 pts
6. Dequefreir 45,404 pts
7. Kraav 44,974 pts
8. Catlynne 42,606 pts
9. Darvunx 33,394 pts
10. Niteblastt 31,258 pts
11. Graveblade 28,698 pts
12. Burnfactor 28,240 pts
13. Webbis 23,988 pts
14. Myrkuls 21,228 pts
15. Drayson 18,975 pts
16. Rann 18,565 pts
17. Tryal 18,320 pts
18. Zafer 17,742 pts
19. Majingoku 15,252 pts
20. Zikbus 14,984 pts

[naez]

This from the author of the webpage of logs of SZ kills:


Wonder if someone is farming points in August?
Fastinyohrox had the most kills with 422.
Pompousmick had the most deaths with 422.

=/

It was like right when the leader board got put in, and they nerfed being able to farm alts like the next month. Lol @ how bad Sony devs were to not think of that.

[Pudge]

think there would definitly be more pvp going on with leaderboards.. but that it wouldnt be good for population in the long run because ppl would get slewn too often when trying to level, backstabbed, try and farm alts/friends for pvp points, etc.

it would be fun to have a leaderboard but if you slay newbs all the time, ppl will see the yellow/hear the word anyway. just think leaderboard puts too much pressure on ppl, especially if they see themselves at the bottom of the list and just get killed all day in solb they wont want to log in. on vztz if you saw newbs leveling you'd generally leave them alone.. but if there were a leaderboard there'd be a reason to go over there and kill them anyway. and this would be what everyone did all day when they were bored

[Pudge]

shit i cant edit post in here.

so, yea what i said above sounds blue but at the end of the day i rather the server be populated and a little bluer. and like i said, ppl find ways to manipulate the system and farm points anyway

[Arclyte]

I don't think it would affect the server population at all. PlanetSide had a leaderboard for a while until Sony jewed out and pulled the plug on it. I think it added to the sense of community, personally.

It's a neat little gadget, nothing more. A few people would earn their spot on the board, and a few would cheesedick their way to the top via bind camping / killing a friend over and over. All in all it means nothing.

If it's in, it's in. If not, I don't care. It's by no means essential.

[Envious]

Macken, you might have "won" SZ, but your question is flawed as fuck. L2takeafuckingpracticalstatsapplicationclass.

Create more PvP? Yes, for some. Others dont need rewards to go kill folks. If you need a carrot on a stick to go kill people, then... meh. Whatever.

Incentive for pvp? Meh, again, for some people. Most people from VZ/TZ dont need leaderboards to pvp, most of my friends dont need them. And they are not needed to know who the better players are. But some, again, need that reward to fulfill the whole intent of the server. Personally, I dont need a leaderboard to kill people.

Would be a neat gadget tho, nothing more.

[mimixownzall]

This from the author of the webpage of logs of SZ kills:


Wonder if someone is farming points in August?
Fastinyohrox had the most kills with 422.
Pompousmick had the most deaths with 422.

=/

That's the one downfall of a leaderboard. This stuff will go on a lot.

[naez]

Not if you put a 24 hour limit and an IP check. There's like 90% of what you can do. Plus it will be obvious w/ YT.

[redghosthunter]

And i thought we were going to talk basketball. Me being a BAR in RL i can grab a few.

[Macken]

think there would definitly be more pvp going on with leaderboards.. but that it wouldnt be good for population in the long run because ppl would get slewn too often when trying to level, backstabbed, try and farm alts/friends for pvp points, etc.

it would be fun to have a leaderboard but if you slay newbs all the time, ppl will see the yellow/hear the word anyway. just think leaderboard puts too much pressure on ppl, especially if they see themselves at the bottom of the list and just get killed all day in solb they wont want to log in. on vztz if you saw newbs leveling you'd generally leave them alone.. but if there were a leaderboard there'd be a reason to go over there and kill them anyway. and this would be what everyone did all day when they were bored

Newbs being people in your 7 level range? I think of newbs as people who are low level. You could not kill those "newbs" on vztz unless they were in a raid zone. I know you know that, I just don't want anyone else to get confused. There are ways to organize the leaderboard that would make you lose points for killing "newbs", just like it was on SZ. If you were level 60, killing a level 39 would make you lose points. Greens grief reds in this respect knowing that killing them only 1 time is a loss of points. A green bind rushing a red could destroy any points the red had. This was a tactic that many greens used to grief reds and gain zone control, yet i never hear anyone talking about that, only that reds grief greens.

Again, if you do not have extensive experience with a well thought out EQ pvp board, you might tell off on yourself and let everyone know that you havn't thought it out very much. I lived it. I know what it's like from experience, and it's rare for anyone to talk about SZ's leaderboard or server in any form of credibility. People assume, yet have no idea.

People who try and farm newbs lose points, people who find friends who don't care that they lose points for dieing, will always be found out just like fastinyoh on SZ and Prime on VZTZ.

I understand some people don't really like to pvp, they only want to play on a pvp server to say they played a tough server without any of the challenge. They only want to pvp when they are ready. PvP servers in general are not for these folks. They just just duel on a blue server if that's what they want.

[Macken]

Macken, you might have "won" SZ, but your question is flawed as fuck. L2takeafuckingpracticalstatsapplicationclass.

Create more PvP? Yes, for some. Others dont need rewards to go kill folks. If you need a carrot on a stick to go kill people, then... meh. Whatever.

Incentive for pvp? Meh, again, for some people. Most people from VZ/TZ dont need leaderboards to pvp, most of my friends dont need them. And they are not needed to know who the better players are. But some, again, need that reward to fulfill the whole intent of the server. Personally, I dont need a leaderboard to kill people.

Would be a neat gadget tho, nothing more.

I understand you didn't fair well on your live pvp server. I also understand that while you get some of the points of why a leaderboard is essential, you don't want one because it will be factual evidence that you are no where as good as you would otherwise claim. I further understand that you intend to keep making grandiose claims, and a leaderboard would refute any integrity or credibility that you are now trying to claim.

I'm sorry that you don't like the obvious implications of the poll and that it is irrefutable that a leaderboard adds to the server, rather than takes away from it. I'm sorry the poll was worded in a way that contradicts any of the blue comments you made.

Sorry bro. Sorry.

[naez]

leader board should track assists as vitality or infamy imo

[stormlord]

I played on Sullon Zek and Rallos Zek. I didn't PvP myself, not actively. Think on my ranger, my kill count for YEARS was just several. I went for long stretches never killing anyone but getting killed. Anyway, I think the leaderboards for EQ added to the atmosphere and made things more interesting.

[Anger]

How many rebounds can you get?

Depends on how many times I dump your sperm-whale of a mother. Eyyyy!

[Sythyst]

I played on Sullon Zek and Rallos Zek. I didn't PvP myself, not actively. Think on my ranger, my kill count for YEARS was just several. I went for long stretches never killing anyone but getting killed. Anyway, I think the leaderboards for EQ added to the atmosphere and made things more interesting.

Most of my game time was spent seeking PvP, and this was back in the days without any kind of leaderboard. I would have loved to see one during that time. RZ was pretty damn competitive, and this would have just added napalm to the blaze.

Any way PvP will have a faction point reward system or something similar? I would rather just having RZ rule set where we can loot one item and coin, but a point reward system might quiet any no loot griefers.

[Knuckle]

I topped the leaderboards before the leaderboard wipe on 1.0 with Rizen my DE Warrior who ran around bow'ing, and bladestorm/sunder fury raping everything in sight. God warriors were so broke.

[Envious]

Macken, I do it for sport, son.

Not so that people can see how good or bad I am, but because its enjoyable. The reward is inherent in the act, just like how the punishment for a vice is inherent in the act.

Again, you need hand holding for PnP, now you want rewards for pvp. Play fucking WoW. Fuck, I'll sell you my account~

[Macken]

Envious playing in the YBA (youth basketball league), trying to tell Derrick Rose in the NBA how to play B-Ball.

That's cute.

[JayDee]

Innovative leaderboard really helped Altergate

Shits flourishing right now

[Mardur]

If you think a leaderboard had anything to do with altergate's death then you're an idiot. Besides, altergate didn't even have a real leaderboard, only the Most Wanted thing that just told you who was worth the most points.

[naez]

If you think a leaderboard had anything to do with altergate's death then you're an idiot.

srsly