Coldain Ring 8 Roll: Official Poll

[remen]

There was a disagreement at the ring 8 roll today about the correct roll time, with about half the people saying that the roll should be at the same time as the day before, and the other half saying the roll should be 30 minutes before she pops. Some players cited the wiki link https://wiki.project1999.com/Ring_8_player_agreement as a source of information, but that isn't reliable as anyone can edit the page. As it turns out, GM Menden was eavesdropping in on the conversation! He weighed in, and to paraphrase, he said that there has never really been an official agreed upon rule for the roll that had been approved by any previous GM, and that whatever the majority of players agreed on would be the rule. Someone suggested making a poll on the forum here, and that he could sign off on the result of the poll so there won't be any confusion on the rules going forward.

That brings us here, I'm making this thread for people to post their feedback and the merits of what they think the best system would be. I'm including in the poll the two ways that it has traditionally been done (roll the same time as the day before or roll 30 minutes before her spawn time), as well as a third option that someone mentioned, suggesting to make this roll the same as scout / angry (roll when she pops and everyone present helps with the fight). I'll post my opinion later on in the thread to leave this post unbiased, so please reply with your thoughts about the best rules for the ring 8 roll, and hopefully we can reach a consensus that Menden can make the standard from now on. For the first two options, the caveats would be that you have only 30s to roll from the first roll, and you only have 2 minutes to make your turn in to gloradin when she pops to make sure the timer doesn't get pushed back too much. I'll leave the poll open for 5 days to give people time to post feedback and vote. Please let anyone you see at the ring 8 roll know about this thread.

[Hideousclaw]

Just treat the roll like the 3 other rolls: Shady, Angry, Scout. Roll when pops. Like the last 2 listed, everyone helps kill. Keep it consistent

[Kosmic Utensil]

Just treat the roll like the 3 other rolls: Shady, Angry, Scout. Roll when pops. Like the last 2 listed, everyone helps kill. Keep it consistent

This is how it went when I got my ring 8 but that was about a year and a half ago. It operated the same as scout roll does now and it worked well. I support this method.

[Ennewi]

Sometimes whole guilds outnumber others present at the roll and, even when randoms don't go in their favor, the majority of their members hang around and assist with the kill. No reason to make them wait AFK for 30 minutes on top of that.

[grenmyr]

I am super happy we got a gm that is so engaged in everyday life on p99, I hope either roll @gloradin pop or 30 min prior to last pop.

[Halox]

Just treat the roll like the 3 other rolls: Shady, Angry, Scout. Roll when pops. Like the last 2 listed, everyone helps kill. Keep it consistent

This is exactly how it should go. My experience with Angry and Scout have been very civil and easy. Keep it simple. It only takes 5ish minutes.

[Endonde]

Just treat the roll like the 3 other rolls: Shady, Angry, Scout. Roll when pops. Like the last 2 listed, everyone helps kill. Keep it consistent

This.

The old Ring 8 roll system forced you to roll over an hour before the mob would even spawn and it always pushed the mob spawn further and further back but the roll stayed the same. I have no idea why anyone would like that system over the system used for Scout, and Angry.

[Ezrick]

I've actually rolled once against only one other person (yes I lost). So it may not always be possible to have everyone help.

My proposal in another thread, where we had the same problem, was to simply allow all rolls up to 30 minutes before the mob spawns. So no matter what time someone *says* the roll should be, anyone can walk up and roll. If it's disputed, anyone who wants can wait around for the mob to spawn to confirm the time and see if a roll was late or valid..

One thing for sure is that it will end the problem of people rolling an hour or more too early. They won't show up just to stand around.

[EkotTunnel]

Cant do it pop more often? Its not so classic to random on mob anyway to be honest, or?

[remen]

I've actually rolled once against only one other person (yes I lost). So it may not always be possible to have everyone help.

My proposal in another thread, where we had the same problem, was to simply allow all rolls up to 30 minutes before the mob spawns. So no matter what time someone *says* the roll should be, anyone can walk up and roll. If it's disputed, anyone who wants can wait around for the mob to spawn to confirm the time and see if a roll was late or valid..

One thing for sure is that it will end the problem of people rolling an hour or more too early. They won't show up just to stand around.

The problem with this is people will log off and then just roll on their alts, any system has to have a 30 second max window to roll in, to prevent the same person from rolling on multiple toons.

[remen]

Cant do it pop more often? Its not so classic to random on mob anyway to be honest, or?

Gloradin is a 1 day respawn, that's never gonna change

[remen]

The poll results are overwhelming for what players agree on how they want this roll to go, with nearly 75 votes. I hope this is enough for a GM to step in and say this is the official player agreement going forward, it will avoid lots of headaches, confusion, and drama.

[cs616]

The poll results are overwhelming for what players agree on how they want this roll to go, with nearly 75 votes. I hope this is enough for a GM to step in and say this is the official player agreement going forward, it will avoid lots of headaches, confusion, and drama.

ITT, guy who sells ring 9 MQs really wants a GM ruling that says other people must help him.

[magnetaress]

If you need ring 8 to beat everquest... try red?

[Lotxi]

I would love to see a GM response on this one way or another. It seems pretty clear what most people want but clearing up any confusion would be great in any case.

[Lhord99]

Dudes. It's super sheisty as it stands. I've seen rolls, then someone shows up late (with clout generally from a top-end raid guild tag) and demands a re-roll, after the original rollers already took off, and the person about to turn-in is put into an awkward spot (esp. if they're not used to dealing with sheisters from the top guild(s) on server). Do it like scout.

[remen]

I would love to see a GM response on this one way or another. It seems pretty clear what most people want but clearing up any confusion would be great in any case.

100% this, I don't particularly care which one is agreed upon but clarification would save a lot of headaches and drama

Dudes. It's super sheisty as it stands. I've seen rolls, then someone shows up late (with clout generally from a top-end raid guild tag) and demands a re-roll, after the original rollers already took off, and the person about to turn-in is put into an awkward spot (esp. if they're not used to dealing with sheisters from the top guild(s) on server). Do it like scout.

I've seen this too many times as well, thus this thread.

ITT, guy who sells ring 9 MQs really wants a GM ruling that says other people must help him.

Interesting that your first thought turned to greed as being the motivating factor. Actually, I was one of the three people who voted for the first option of rolling the same time every day. I can do the entire fight solo, so changing the roll to an everyone participates situation allows even more people to show up and roll, including random level 5 alts and stuff. That would be the option that benefits me the least.

Also, do you think I somehow manipulated the results of the poll to force 67 people (80% as of now) to vote for changing to scout roll rules? Re-read my original post and this thread up until now, all of my posts were neutral and I stayed out of the discussion. The only thing I have repeatedly said is that it would be to the benefit of everyone to have an official set of rules in place. The poll turned out the way it did because that's apparently what the majority of the server wants.

ITT we have someone named cs616 making poor use of the few brain cells he / she has left.

[hotkarlmarxbros]

FWIW I would like to see all server agreement rolls change to rolling after pop, but also have no mandate to help other rollers. People just bring low level/unhelpful characters and wait for their handout. Forcing you to have your own kill force would curb that immensely.

[bradsamma]

FWIW I would like to see all server agreement rolls change to rolling after pop, but also have no mandate to help other rollers. People just bring low level/unhelpful characters and wait for their handout. Forcing you to have your own kill force would curb that immensely.

When the people present aren't enough to do it, then start complaining.

[Tilien]

FWIW I would like to see all server agreement rolls change to rolling after pop, but also have no mandate to help other rollers. People just bring low level/unhelpful characters and wait for their handout. Forcing you to have your own kill force would curb that immensely.

I mean now you're either asking:


5x the number of people to show up so each person has their group ready for their roll.

Or

The turn in to be pushed back by half an hour each time. So the winner can assemble a group.

[kjs86z]

Treat it just like Scout.

[fzzzt]

No legitimacy unless Menden or someone weighs in on this thread, IMO.

[Senn]

Saw people arguing on this in EW earlier, poll results seems clear. Menden needs to rubber-stamp.

[hotkarlmarxbros]

I mean now you're either asking:


5x the number of people to show up so each person has their group ready for their roll.

Or

The turn in to be pushed back by half an hour each time. So the winner can assemble a group.

Nah, after a minute turn in goes FFA.

[Tilien]

Nah, after a minute turn in goes FFA.

I mean if you roll at spawn then it has to be one of those options.

If it goes FFA after a minute then it's A.

[hotkarlmarxbros]

Bit of a jump in logic there. Mind explaining how you came to that conclusion?

[Tilien]

Bit of a jump in logic there. Mind explaining how you came to that conclusion?

If you roll on the pop, and you have 60 seconds to turn in, and the other people do not help you with the fight (as per the person I was responding to) how would you NOT have to show up to the roll with a kill force in tow?

[hotkarlmarxbros]

Exactly, you would have to have your kill force with you, thus reducing the numbers of people that will show up. Anybody can pop on last minute and chuck are roll at scout, ring 8, whatever, but people aren't going to put that effort to get their own kill force, so you will see scout roll go from 30 people to 5, etc. To keep people from moving the timer and leisurely collecting a kill force, the 1 min window to turn in will allow people that came prepared to turn in and get their item.

[Tilien]

Exactly, you would have to have your kill force with you, thus reducing the numbers of people that will show up. Anybody can pop on last minute and chuck are roll at scout, ring 8, whatever, but people aren't going to put that effort to get their own kill force, so you will see scout roll go from 30 people to 5, etc. To keep people from moving the timer and leisurely collecting a kill force, the 1 min window to turn in will allow people that came prepared to turn in and get their item.

But people currently need to get their own kill force, they just have time to gather it within 30 minutes. It doesn't currently work like scout, you can't currently roll up, roll and then get a free quest turn in for winning.

All your requiring is more people to put in more time. This is the worst possible set up, worse than having the roll 30 minutes before pop as it currently is.

If I have say 5 friends willing to help me and they say "okay let me know and I'll grab a port to help" and stay at camp while I roll currently, under this set up they'd need to be in EW at the roll with me every single day.

[hotkarlmarxbros]

Exactly. Don't bring your own kill force, don't get a roll. These rolls would be immensely more obtainable for people putting in the effort because it throws out all the hangers-on that just show up and expect free shit.

[Tilien]

But you currently need a kill force, people currently don't need to help you the only difference is you currently have time to get ports for your friends instead of making them wait zone in every day.

Nobody is getting free kills for ring 8 currently, you're just trying to make it harder for people's friends.

[hotkarlmarxbros]

Right, the problem with ring 8 isnt the handout nature of it. It's the nebulous roll time which is just awful, awful drama. I'm saying as part of the solution the handout portion should not be implemented or ring 8 will be miserable like scout it.

[Tilien]

Right, the problem with ring 8 isnt the handout nature of it. It's the nebulous roll time which is just awful, awful drama. I'm saying as part of the solution the handout portion should not be implemented or ring 8 will be miserable like scout it.

Right then leave it how it is now, moving the roll time to the spawn and requiring the kill force on hand will just make it more miserable than having a nebulous time.

[hotkarlmarxbros]

Spoken like someone who has never won a roll against several people and then had to obnoxiously defend it for two hours while people come in saying the roll is at another time. Or tried to roll because you had the timer from the previous day and someone who rolled two hours earlier thinks that's bullshit and their roll is the one that mattered because *reasons*. Neither of these people are "wrong," because there is no official ruling or consensus on what is "right." Also, fuck waiting around for two hours.

[greasemonk]

I am bumping this thread for clarification:

Was there any official resolution to this discussion?

[Tilien]

I am bumping this thread for clarification:

Was there any official resolution to this discussion?

80% is not 100% therefore the old agreement is still unanimous 10/10

[greasemonk]

Oh good, same ol' dumb crap then. Glad to see this will never be resolved in a civilized manner.

[Hideousclaw]

I feel like 80% on over 100 votes is a good barometer of what maybe the broader server would like. Would be nice to have CSR/GM pop in and give either a yes/no or a "this is what you need to pass this" benchmark

[Ennewi]

80% is not 100% therefore the old agreement is still unanimous 10/10

Further adding to the confusion...

[Hideousclaw]

12779

While it’s not the same in numbers (also a higher population time of server) the percentages are worse than this one being offered

[xdrcfrx]

Ring roll sucks enough as it is without turning it into scout 2.0. Are you really interested in being obliged to help an endless succession of low level alts who show up to win free a free ring? At least scout happens 2.5 times a day. One roll per day gonna take a long time to win when there's 40 people there every time. You need like 3 people for the fight.

[kjs86z]

pixels for the people

[Tobius]

pixels for the people

Exactly everyone is suppsoed to inconvinience like 6 people each every single day.
Just don't be fucking socopaths and help each other out.
It doesn't take long and you'll get you ring eventually.

This was how it was when I got mine.

[Molitoth]

This fight doesn't take much.

With a Ranger or Druid to harmony, shoot an arrow at Firbrand and only him and Chief agro.

Root Firbrand, easily duo or solo Chief dependent.

[Tobius]

What time is the ring roll currently?

[Tilien]

What time is the ring roll currently?

about 3:20am EST unless it was affected by the soft reset.

[Bardy1000]

current system has been working well

[Tobius]

How long does the encounter take? From Roll to kill usually? Been thinking of getting up before work but wonder if there's time to do it?

[Tobius]

Does anyone know when this is? Should be like 7:20 am GMT according to the wiki but no one is here...

[pimpdrop]

Helping someone do the ring 8 fight right now. Gloradin still hasn't popped and it is 1:10AM PST. Roll was at 12:20AM PST. Can we just please go roll on pop? So much easier and less subject to unprepared people who cause countless delays each day.