Human Warrior - creation

[Lange]

Greetings!

If I were to start a human warrior, should I throw the 25 starting points in STA as "recommend" or... 25 in DEX, as I also want weapons to proc.. to get/keep agro.

I thinking STA, since HP is king. and you can "only" buff 50 STA.

Where DEX, lots of items have it, FoS, Avatar, etc.

Let me hear your thoughts please :)

[kjs86z]

STA

[Benanov]

STA is the hardest stat to raise with the gear that is available in the 2 expansions + classic that is P99.

The payoff is a little later in the game, as STA doesn't mean too much at early levels - but they're early levels and go by comparatively quickly.

[Nirgon]

Get a cheap bladed thulian claw and pgt asap too.

Barbarian starts right around the corner and is overall better.

If you care about stats and not looks, make the better choices. If you care about looks, don't worry so much about stats.

[hannahgrams]

furor planedefiler would never be a disgusting barbarian

[Allishia]

Reroll dark elf, reason is because best in slot arms are red, and the red pants look crappy on humans and the blue don't match the arms at all.

And yes all points into sta cause procs are random anyway :p
Have fun !

[Wallicker]

Roll Ogre/troll warrior on green get guise be a DE with superior stats, slam and racial stun immunity or regen.

[DMN]

Halflings are really good long term, too. With sneak you can be bound in all sorts of places that non halfing warrior could not( since you have the potential to get a locket of escpape this could be a pretty big deal long term) -- grobb for example, in vanilla. And of course you can sell your loot/buy food almost anywhere you can approach a vendor from behind. You also get a slighlty gimpier version of gnomish wall hacks.


FSI isnt doing much for a warrior though unless you plan to be raid tank... and most raiding guilds only have a tiny handful of those, if not only 1 or 2. Regen is even questionable as a warrior your long term ability to solo is incredibly limited.if you are waiting for your 50+ warriors health to regen, you are for a bad tiime.

[Wallicker]

Slam interrupts casts without a shield and has a higher skillcap than kick

[DMN]

Slam interrupts casts without a shield and has a higher skillcap than kick

Cap only affects damage though, and kicks eventually stun at same frequency for wars.

[Wallicker]

Ogres base stats, FSI, slam is so OP for warrior lol you can’t try to say it isn’t especially more so before full BiS endgame velious when race doesn’t matter as much.

Halfling sneak is a nice QoL improvement though.

[DMN]

Ogres base stats, FSI, slam is so OP for warrior lol you can’t try to say it isn’t especially more so before full BiS endgame velious when race doesn’t matter as much.

Halfling sneak is a nice QoL improvement though.

Like I said, it's a long term thing, not just short term. Ya, ogres and trolls get much higher stats for vanilla but eventually that extra strength is useless and the dex difference makes up for stamina difference( halfings will also level 20% faster than ogres, and 25% faster than trolls). FSI is virtually worthless for a non raid tank and like I aid, regen is moot usually since warriors have little ability to solo. We arent talking about shadow knights here or soemthing, who can still solo reasonably but rock em sock em warriors.

[Wallicker]

Long game leveling speed doesn’t matter....Roll an Ogre and add 25 dex lol

[DMN]

Long game leveling speed doesn’t matter....Roll an Ogre and add 25 dex lol

If leveling speed didn't matter we would have about 5 times as many hybrids on green right now. I didn't mention in my original post, only in reference to base stat difference. I think leveling 20%-25% faster is better than starting with an extra 40-50 str. The extra str is nice though if its going to be your first character.

[Wallicker]

Halfling Ogre
Sta 85 132
Str 80 140
Dex 90 70
Total. 255. 342.

Lol bro gtfo here it’s a difference of almost 100 in the stats that matter. It’s much easier to make up 20 dex than 47 sta and 60 str.

[DMN]

Halfling Ogre
Sta 85 132
Str 80 140
Dex 90 70
Total. 255. 342.

Lol bro gtfo here it’s a difference of almost 100 in the stats that matter.

STR doesn't matter if experience modifier doesn't, bro. Didn't we just cover this?

Then you have 175, versus 202. 27 stat points. One can decide for themselves if hide/sneak/wall hacking abilities is worth the price of admission. I'd say it's at least worth considering.

[Wallicker]

STR doesn't matter if experience modifier doesn't, bro. Didn't we just cover this?

Then you have 175, versus 202. 27 stat points. One can decide for themselves if hide/sneak/wall hacking abilities is worth the price of admission. I'd say it's at least worth considering.

What lol? Str directly relates to DmG output? You are off your rocker... you know there’s plenty of ways to shrink for wall hacks too if you wanna go at it. Plus let’s just pretend Str doesn’t matter for a warriors white dmg and general aggro. Do you know what kind of insane things people here would do to themselves for a potion that boosted their stats by 27 points innately? And almost 100? You can’t Hide & Sneak like a rogue just one of the other. Also sneak pulling has long since been nerfed. Sneak is a QoL improvement that’s all, but true long game you can just grind faction, you can just grind Xperia’s, you can grind cobalt bracer/shrink pots you however cannot grind more base stats, or FSI.

[DMN]

What lol? Str directly relates to DmG output? You are off your rocker... you know there’s plenty of ways to shrink for wall hacks too if you wanna go at it. Plus let’s just pretend Str doesn’t matter for a warriors white dmg and general aggro. Do you know what kind of insane things people here would do to themselves for a potion that boosted their stats by 27 points innately? And almost 100? You can’t Hide & Sneak like a rogue just one of the other. Also sneak pulling has long since been nerfed. Sneak is a QoL improvement that’s all, but true long game you can just grind faction, you can just grind Xperia’s, you can grind cobalt bracer/shrink pots you however cannot grind more base stats, or FSI.

Every warrior is going have 200+ str eventually without even trying. And yes it does increase damage output -- which allows you to kill faster and hence level a bit quicker-- but so does just startigng out with a muhc better exp modifier. Str does nothing for aggro. Aggro is based on weapon/haste/procs, not white damage. You can keep calling Sneak/Hide "QoL" all you want. It doesn't change how useful it is, from bind location potetial, to selling anywhere, to CRs, to sitting invis waiting for a pather to move through a room you to grab it at just the right moment and tons of assorted similar scenarios. to being able to often safely AFK in many zones while you wait for your 07097309793019 hit points to regen watching netflix.

[Wallicker]

Both toons will get to 60 before Kunark finishes if played even remotely regularly both toons are not going to get 255str/sta/dex as easily actually an ogre starts off 87 stat points closer to that. Clickie invis items exist and last 20minites If you are hiding longer than that just camp.
Part of aggro is based on potential damage per swing if I’m not mistaken could be wrong on that but Str definitely factors into the damage output and if it doesn’t increase aggro, a mob that dies faster does less damage.

[DMN]

Both toons will get to 60 before Kunark finishes if played even remotely regularly both toons are not going to get 255str/sta/dex as easily actually an ogre starts off 87 stat points closer to that. Clickie invis items exist and last 20minites If you are hiding longer than that just camp.
Part of aggro is based on potential damage per swing if I’m not mistaken could be wrong on that but Str definitely factors into the damage output and if it doesn’t increase aggro, a mob that dies faster does less damage.

No warrior gives a shit about getting 255 str. Invis from clickies are not reliable for many things, and you can't duplicate sneak at all. Invis randomly fades, hide/sneak does not. if you camp out, you can't regen any hit points. Ya, sure if you kill things faster with higher str. Too bad warriors aren't around to do DPS. It's like painting flames on a geo metro.

[Dogma]

It's never too late to reroll as iksar (with 25 dex for warrior).

Unless you play green in which case wait a few months then reroll.

[Zekayy]

sooo heres my thing its alot easier to cap sta/str than it is dex and yes you can cap sta with high end gear easily no need to put your points into sta go dex

[Zekayy]

No warrior gives a shit about getting 255 str. Invis from clickies are not reliable for many things, and you can't duplicate sneak at all. Invis randomly fades, hide/sneak does not. if you camp out, you can't regen any hit points. Ya, sure if you kill things faster with higher str. Too bad warriors aren't around to do DPS. It's like painting flames on a geo metro.

WTF are you talking about??? I have seen several warriors be in the top 3 dps thanks to Mighty Strike Discipline and also thanks to Berserker Frenzy Detoxx was #1 on the dps meter a few times man

[Allishia]

Precision is war dps disc Goof! Mighty strike last like 5 seconds.

And Front stun thing don't matter at all on raid tank...source me, I am a raid tank /roar. :p

[Zekayy]

Precision is war dps disc Goof! Mighty strike last like 5 seconds.

And Front stun thing don't matter at all on raid tank...source me, I am a raid tank /roar. :p

my bad I dont play a warrior thanks for the clarfication /nod

[DMN]

WTF are you talking about??? I have seen several warriors be in the top 3 dps thanks to Mighty Strike Discipline and also thanks to Berserker Frenzy Detoxx was #1 on the dps meter a few times man

Oh ya man SK has the highest DPS in the game. /unholy Harm touch! Highest DPS evah!

Good lord. You embarrass your guild posting here.

[Rick Sanchez]

DMN is trying to impress on you people that in the long run, racials/stats for the warrior class doesn’t matter much. FSI is overrated when theirs rechargeable clickies. Play what race you genuinely like the most and make a name for yourself.

Side note - QoL on halfling warrior is really nice in the FULL lifespan of classic, yes it’s no question ogre has better starting stats but in the end it’s not such a game breaking thing as you think it is(warrior is a class usually for a person who plans to be actively in the raid scene) Honestly, if anything, it gives you more wiggle room when using resist gear for certain fights and etc.

[Zekayy]

Oh ya man SK has the highest DPS in the game. /unholy Harm touch! Highest DPS evah!

Good lord. You embarrass your guild posting here.

embrass them how? cause I am right? dude come on you need to get your facts check about warrior dps lol dont believe ask detoxx and other wars yourself dude

[Gatorsmash]

Greetings!

If I were to start a human warrior, should I throw the 25 starting points in STA as "recommend" or... 25 in DEX, as I also want weapons to proc.. to get/keep agro.

I thinking STA, since HP is king. and you can "only" buff 50 STA.

Where DEX, lots of items have it, FoS, Avatar, etc.

Let me hear your thoughts please :)

DMN is trying to impress on you people that in the long run, racials/stats for the warrior class doesn’t matter much. FSI is overrated when theirs rechargeable clickies. Play what race you genuinely like the most and make a name for yourself.

Side note - QoL on halfling warrior is really nice in the FULL lifespan of classic, yes it’s no question ogre has better starting stats but in the end it’s not such a game breaking thing as you think it is(warrior is a class usually for a person who plans to be actively in the raid scene) Honestly, if anything, it gives you more wiggle room when using resist gear for certain fights and etc.

Just started a warrior (troll) for the first time ever this week and a few thoughts-

Pick your favorite race, your staring at it a looooong time. As much as i want to like other races i always come back to troll.

Go DEX. Any decent dex item has shit AC and you dont want to be switching out AC for DEX because its sub 100 and you dont crit has much as you could with a near 100 dex base. Annnnd make no mistake- crit equals damage which equals agro.

Dont lie to yourself on the racial ability standouts- FSI which means your producing agro while stunned warriors are not. Regen is no joke in classic-kunark post lvl 20 to the point its noticeable. Sneak-hide combo'd with access to all the good race stuff (quests-cities) is not something to be underestimated. Slam is incredibly underrated for slowing the damage you take from mobs in classic.

Last- STR and STAM items are the easiest to get and if you dont believe me send some random tells to guys on the server during play times and ask what there str,stam,dex is post lvl 45 like i did. Good luck!

[Zekayy]

Just started a warrior (troll) for the first time ever this week and a few thoughts-

Pick your favorite race, your staring at it a looooong time. As much as i want to like other races i always come back to troll.

Go DEX. Any decent dex item has shit AC and you dont want to be switching out AC for DEX because its sub 100 and you dont crit has much as you could with a near 100 dex base. Annnnd make no mistake- crit equals damage which equals agro.

Dont lie to yourself on the racial ability standouts- FSI which means your producing agro while stunned warriors are not. Regen is no joke in classic-kunark post lvl 20 to the point its noticeable. Sneak-hide combo'd with access to all the good race stuff (quests-cities) is not something to be underestimated. Slam is incredibly underrated for slowing the damage you take from mobs in classic.

Last- STR and STAM items are the easiest to get and if you dont believe me send some random tells to guys on the server during play times and ask what there str,stam,dex is post lvl 45 like i did. Good luck!

[Gozuk]

Entertaining thread. Few things beat a good Warrior discussion IMO. I went DEX on my Troll but that was an easy call since I felt their starting STR/STA was pretty respectable. In the past, I had always rolled Halfling/Elf Warriors of some sort.

To me stats are probably the least important thing when creating a character. To each his own though.

[Corpsed]

The best warriors are all human; that is just a fact. Put your stat points wherever you want, the most important decision has already been made correctly.

[Dogma]

The best warriors are all human; that is just a fact. Put your stat points wherever you want, the most important decision has already been made correctly.
Beady-eyed bucket head human warriors disgraceful.

Iksar is best warrior. Only other respectable option is ogre.

Everything else is simply inferior.

[Allishia]

:rolleyes: Have you seen iksar 2hander swing? Hahaha dark elf wins, best hat graphic too /nod :p

[Dogma]

:rolleyes: Have you seen iksar 2hander swing? Hahaha dark elf wins, best hat graphic too /nod :p
Fixed my 2handed swing clientside ages ago. For that matter, my iksar warrior also does the flying kick animation when I kick.
https://youtu.be/ltay_QUSiXA

[Allishia]

Lol fine but dark elf hat still wins ok ! =)

[enjchanter]

I would give almost anything to change my warrior from Iksar to Dark elf

[Dogma]

Lol fine but dark elf hat still wins ok ! =)
Iksar bone-horn hat thing always been my favorite but the plate helm has really grown on me.

Worst thing is the breastplate of eradication being the same as fungi tunic. Always looked dumb on iksar imo.

Oh, and iksar gets the best red pants.

[Allishia]

:o:confused:I dunno, I feel the red pants look best on dark elf. I'll post pic when I get home /nod. And btw woooohoooo it's Friday :p

[DMN]

Swing timer is still going when stunned samwith mobs being stunned. And bash only stuns about 25% of the time.

[gkmarino]

Troll Warrior Approves.. https://imgur.com/H6c1yd2

[Allishia]

OK i took some screen shots to prove dark elf wins

https://i.postimg.cc/28HLd8PH/closeup.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/L8wq7Q4L/redblade.jpg


/nod

:p

[Dogma]

https://i.imgur.com/nWEHsdf.png
Dark elf has weak pants. Team Blue material.

Iksar best Team Red.

[Allishia]

https://i.imgur.com/nWEHsdf.png
Dark elf has weak pants. Team Blue material.

Iksar best Team Red.

Well at least we are both team red pants /nod

Not sure how you got your image to show up the in the forum, you win just cause of that, i tried but couldn't figure it out.

[Dulu]

Guy asks for advice on rolling his Human Warrior on a 21 year old elf simulator: gets flooded by "roll ogre" for 5 pages.

Nice.

[TripleLegit]

What’s up with the red pants. What item is that?

[Wallicker]

VP Robe + lightsabers + gnome = yoda warrior nothing else matters.

[gkmarino]

Team Red Pants for sure!

[kjs86z]

/nod

[Cen]

Slam interrupts casts without a shield and has a higher skillcap than kick

Only before Kunark though right? Kick goes past the low cap at Kunark matching Bash skill level if I remember right. Im not 100% on that

[cd288]

As someone who mained a Human Warrior back on live and was the MT on multiple raids through Luclin, STA is definitely the best way to go. Definitely don't go DEX, it's not worth it at all because it will barely make a difference on your procs.

Now, you could put a little bit into STR if you wanted, to help with the damage that Warriors need to keep aggro, but this is really something that is more beneficial in the old world days on Green than it will be later on. As the expansions come out, it becomes pretty easy to max out your STR with gear, while it's a bit tougher to do so for STA.

I recommend at the very least getting to 100 STA. You could go 20 STA/5 STR if you wanted and be alright.

[Lange]

Thanks!

[Smellybuttface]

Warrior has many option for races. One of the top raid guilds I knew back from the 1999 era had a Wood Elf warrior as the main tank and guild leader. He was the best geared warrior on the server practically, and as such one of the best tanks. As long as you can take the lack of infravision on a human, it's not a bad choice (for min/maxing it's also not the best choice, but they do absolutely fine).
Play a human at night and see if it's for you. See if you can swing a greater lightstone to drop in your inventory, and if you make it to 35 before May you can go for a Guise of the Deceiver to look like a Dark Elf (with added bonus of Ultravision).

If warrior is to be your first class, I might advise against it. It can be fun to be a sponge for damage, but otherwise it is also a class that doesn't get truly "fun" until you start working with disciplines and such. Also VERY gear dependent, so work on getting a full suit of banded as soon as you can. Other people may be generous and toss a couple of pieces of bronze your way.

Otherwise just go ahead and make it and see if you like it. You can always reroll if you don't.

[Allishia]

Play whatever race you want, just remember human war end game hat is a bucket :p

[Midgeon]

Why wouldn't you just roll an ogre?

[Kohedron]

Human plate helmet alone is enough reason to not go human warrior

[Lange]

So Ogre warrior - all starting points into DEX?

[Allishia]

So Ogre warrior - all starting points into DEX?

Thought we talked about this, dark elf for best helmet, and Max points into sta. :p

[Naethyn]

www.naethyn.com

[Bellringer]

1. Human warriors are best fashion.
2. Iksar warriors suck.
3. If Naethyns personality could be placed in a photo this is pretty close to the closest you would get:

https://i.imgur.com/tIztN7x.jpg

[Dogma]

I said my piece. Everyone else welcome to be wrong and inefficient. Mighty iksar only stands taller with more lesser warriors on server.

[Naethyn]

This isn’t rnf

[Modwolf]

1. Human warriors are best fashion.
2. Iksar warriors suck.
3. If Naethyns personality could be placed in a photo this is pretty close to the closest you would get:

https://i.imgur.com/tIztN7x.jpg

[Smellybuttface]

1. Human warriors are best fashion.
2. Iksar warriors suck.
3. If Naethyns personality could be placed in a photo this is pretty close to the closest you would get:

https://i.imgur.com/tIztN7x.jpg

Iksar warriors definitely do not suck. Granted they can’t wear plate in Kunark, but that’s rectified in Velious. Natural regen, and racial AC bonus that stacks on AC cap.

[crossplay]

Half elf warrior for the looks and decent rounded stats...

Picking a fun deity is only bonus.