Why is America so prudish? (might contain NSFW stuff?!)

[Domo]

Ahoy da mates.

Before I start I like to say that this is not a hate or political post.
I am just interessted in other countrys cultures, and I like to have dialogs with people from around the world.

(This Thread is not about whats better or worse or anythink like that.)


Anyway, America and Europe have a lot in common, but there are still some small but subtle differences. And one of the diffrence which comes to my mind is that America is more prudish then Europe and I am wondering where it comes from?

I dont really follow the Superbowl, but I remember the "scandal" in 2004 when the american nation saw Janet Jacksons nipple. And I remember thinking to myself "WTF? Why is this such a big story in America?"

Maybe I had this thoughts because I grow up with butter ads which shows tits (https://youtu.be/XggzmTZMivA) (NSFW)

But I really couldnt understand (and I still dont understand) why Janet Jackson nipple was such a huge story in america.

I mean we all have nipples, why is such a big thing for you guys? Does it have something to do with the conservative christians in your country? Do people really think that Janet Jacksons nipple would make kids into pornstars or something?


I am sorry if my question or "asking-style" offends someone, I dont mean to (its just my bad english).

Anyway, I have so many questions to this topic but the main question is "why is america so prudish"? (well, maybe its not and Europe or germany is just to permissive /liberal)



P.S. wish you all a good start into the new year

[Jimjam]

Storm in a tea cup mate.

All constructed hysteria to boost viewing figure or some other agenda.

[Thrombosis]

Don't forget that a lot of the early immigration to the US was from puritan sects fleeing religious persecution in Europe. As a German you'll be aware of the Anabaptist rebellion at Munster (sorry - can't do the umlaut) in the 16th century. Even though the followers of those sects are small-scale today e.g. Amish in parts of Pennsylvannia, that puritanical streak I think remains in the USA's DNA, though you can of course opt-out of it thanks to the various freedoms offered by the US constitution.

Here in the UK we used to have what was known as the "watershed" on TV, basically 9pm before which no nudity, extreme violence or excessive swearing could be shown on TV. I think it was a good thing. We also have a fine tradition of streakers - male and female - at major sporting events which were broadcast live on national TV, I'm sure when the cameras didn't cut away quick enough there were complaints, but most people accepted that there wasn't an awful lot the TV company could do about it. I'm happy that the wardrobe malfunction in the Janet Jackson incident was an accident, if it happened these days I wouldn't be so sure.

[vossiewulf]

If you actually want to know, read this (https://www.amazon.com/American-Jeremiad-Studies-Thought-Culture/dp/0299288641/).

[Wonkie]

Media is often censored in theocracies, OP

[solleks]

Americans were originally trying to set up a better place to live than toilet europe. Most very religious xities are very nice but what happens is the moochers progressives communists scum come into a nice place and try to get naked bundle sticks and get free shit off the success take shits in the street. Turn them to shit holes (sf la ny are already gone for instance) there are still mostly great places in the u.s. look for places with lots of guns, lots of christianity and lots of tough men that do hard jobs. Steer clear of places where everyone bundles sticks.

[Teppler]

Except we have more porn and sex in your face than ever before. Could you imagine Kim kardashian flaunting her obese unhealthy ass in the 1930s? She would be a community outcast.

We’ve had our society pushed into a hyper porn culture for a long time and it’s bit for the better.

Look up the stats related to how watching porn frequently effects mental health. The degradation of the family unit. The children who inevitably see it.

Pushing porn on a culture is real ugly if you actually love that culture. It’s been used as a weapon a few times throughout history even. After Israel invaded Palestine the first thing they did was take over the television station and blast porn to all Muslims televisions.

Look into who owns the porn industry in America. It’s one company, particularly one main guy.

And thank god we don’t have the same norms as the UK because the effect a hyper porn culture has had on your women is beyond sad.

[Horza]

Fundamentalist evangelicals run this country, look up the Mercer family.

[Teppler]

Fundamentalist evangelicals run this country, look up the Mercer family.

Mercer family doesn’t own the federal reserve. There’s much higher players bankrolling the country. You can tell this because we don’t have Christian values and we haven’t moved in that direction in my life time and beyond. I would challenge you to point to evidence of rule by evangelicals because socially it’s the complete opposite. Christianity is shrinking, vilified and anti Christian values such has LGBT push has blown up regularly and consistently. If we have rule by evangelical Christians, it’s about the lamest level of control I’ve ever seen.

[solleks]

In order for politicians to destroy a place for their own personal social status the population of the place has to be 1.imported and lied to(immigrants illegal) 2. Cucked into control by freebies (lazy people) 3.tricked by media hype into thinking living in babylon is cool (media hype)
4. Atheist and void of christian morals ( media and gov trick dumbs into thinking most people are this way )

[Horza]

Christianity is shrinking

This is absolutely true, but there's no need to get so angry just because young people are increasingly rejecting your outdated scripture and beliefs.

[Wonkie]

Love it or leave it fellas

There's always Yemen

[Teppler]

This is absolutely true, but there's no need to get so angry just because young people are increasingly rejecting your outdated scripture and beliefs.

Na we’re gonna fight back against what you people are doing. It’s not a natural decline but promoted which is shown by the media dogging Christianity constantly. If evangelicals were in control that would not be happening.

[Horza]

Na we’re gonna fight back against what you people are doing. It’s not a natural decline but promoted which is shown by the media digging Christianity constantly.

Are you proposing some solution to this, perhaps even a final one?

[Teppler]

Are you proposing some solution to this, perhaps even a final one?

I'm sorry to disrupt the utter enjoyment you get out of your blacked.com porn but unfortunately this is what happens to your brain on porn :(

https://i.imgur.com/qzkvaYp.png

I suspect we see a lot of the effects in real time as you post here.

[Mblake81]

Recall trying to watch Skinemax on some grainy cable channel as a kid. The little room behind the black curtain at video rental stores.

Sex and sexuality is all through our media and has been for the longest time, it just wasn't in your face nudity. It has been persecuted many times for its indecency. It might be innuendo based as censorship was there. They found means to bypass it without setting off alarms.

For example (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3t8H07c30io)

But there was some Druid (no shit, real druid) on youtube a few years back and gives credit directly to Pornography for the internet. So maybe you do have US porno to thank for this chat. Sorry that the Euro sex is unsophisticated that this has to be explained. That is my jab because the USA is shit on by even our celebrities about how Euro is so much more sophisticated and things need to be explained to us. You often hear "Americans only know about America" and for the most part that is true. Why would I even need to know anything about anyone else, has no bearing on my life.

Edit note: Male with female sexuality. Not dudes dicks flashing on screen, fucking gross rejects.. or women on women which is only for male enjoyment. It's not changing for real no matter how much foreign funds are pumped in or how much ugly hair dye is used.

[Horza]

So I'm supposed to believe you found and annotated those sources in the less than ten minutes it took you to reply and it's not incel copypasta?

[Wonkie]

So I'm supposed to believe you found and annotated those sources in the less than ten minutes it took you to reply and it's not incel copypasta?

He's just trying to blind you with science, he doesn't understand it either. Infographics are memes.

[Horza]

Also don't look up blacked.com, Teppler has some weird fetishes.

[Teppler]

Darwinism in action here. These porn addicts have screwed their brains so much they are unable to focus enough to critically analyze the grave harm they are doing based on tons of independent studies. Lack of focus and critical thinking is one of the biggest effects and we see great evidence of it right now.

This is when addictions get to be really dangerous too. When people ignore the clear cut evidence that their addictive behavior is harming them. I’m sorry for anyone that’s stuck in this loop.

One day when you get your dopamine levels regulated you might momentarily find yourself with enough energy and attention to actually read the studies and maybe save your mind from further deterioration.

[Horza]

Darwinism in action here. These porn addicts have screwed their brains so much they are unable to focus enough to critically analyze the grave harm they are doing based on tons of independent studies. Lack of focus and critical thinking is one of the biggest effects and we see great evidence of it right now.

This is when addictions get to be really dangerous too. When people ignore the clear cut evidence that their addictive behavior is harming them. I’m sorry for anyone that’s stuck in this loop.

One day when you get your dopamine levels regulated you might momentarily find yourself with enough energy and attention to actually read the studies and maybe save your mind from further deterioration.

Am I crazy or did you just link to an interracial porn website for no apparent reason?

[Teppler]

So with studies showing how destructive porn is to individuals, families and society as a whole, the real question is why would any leader that means well let their society be flooded with porn? Interesting questions. Look into who owns the companies that dominate the industry in America to start to find answers. It doesn’t come from America. It’s a foreign born menace pushing this on America. It’s largely all free too despite huge production costs. Wtf kind of business is that? So which foreigner(s) are spending big money to do this to America and why?

[Horza]

So with studies showing how destructive porn is to individuals, families and society as a whole, the real question is why would any leader that means well let their society be flooded with porn? Interesting questions. Look into who owns the companies that dominate the industry in America to start to find answers. It doesn’t come from America.

Why do your arguments about religious morality involve sending people to interracial porn websites? Holy antisemitic edits.

[Teppler]

Why do your arguments about religious morality involve sending people to interracial porn websites? Holy antisemitic edits.

Well simple, because you are addicted to it. If not that one then one of the other sites mindgeek owns because they dominate the entire industry.

And rightfully so. Who is going to compete when mindgeek gives away super high production cost videos for completely free? What kind of business model is this if not propaganda? Kind of a dumb question to pose to you when you’ve never had a job though.

[Horza]

Well simple, because you are addicted to it. If not that one then one of the other sites mindgeek owns because they dominate the entire industry.

And rightfully so. Who is going to compete when mindgeek gives away super high production cost videos for completely free? What kind of business model is this if not propaganda?

So you just sent me to an interracial porn website for no apparent reason, but I am the one who is addicted to it?

[Teppler]

So you just sent me to an interracial porn website for no apparent reason, but I am the one who is addicted to it? :confused:

If you are defending porn, you’re defending mindgeek which is the only game in town currently and their biggest baby is blacked.com.

It’s also the porn site that pro degeneracy pushers like to spam to their enemies all over the net. I post on a few sites and people with similar views to you, Horza, spam blacked like it’s an attack. I find it to be very strange behavior from your ilk. That’s why it comes to mind.

Hope this helps and you can move beyond your blacked obsession. I want you to be healthy son.

[Horza]

I'm sure that you post on many websites using many different accounts but I have no idea what the hell you're talking about.

[Teppler]

I'm sure that you post on many websites using many different accounts but I have no idea what the hell you're talking about.

I know, I’m well aware you don’t have good critical thinking and I’m trying to explain to you as simply as I can this is one of the effects of porn addiction. You would do well to take a break from whacking off so much and maybe get a job. Your dopamine levels can recover with enough time and you will be a smarter person who is no longer confused by simple things.

[Horza]

You mean that I don’t have good critical thinking skills, critical thinking is something that one does (and not has). Hope this helps.

[feniin]

I know, I’m well aware you don’t have good critical thinking and I’m trying to explain to you as simply as I can this is one of the effects of porn addiction. You would do well to take a break from whacking off so much and maybe get a job. Your dopamine levels can recover with enough time and you will be a smarter person who is no longer confused by simple things.

I don't think podcasting counts as a job.

[Teppler]

You mean that I don’t have good critical thinking skills, critical thinking is something that one does (and not has). Hope this helps.

Helps further illustrate the effect your chronic masturbation has on deteriorating your critical thinking.

[Teppler]

I wonder if people are aware the average age someone is exposed to porn is 11 years old. And its so extreme and fetish heavy today. And there's people that think we are too prude? Get the fuck out.

>Frequent masturbation lowers testosterone utilization
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Alonso_Fernandez-Guasti/publication/6536830_Relationship_between_Sexual_Satiety_and_Br ain_Androgen_Receptors/links/54b6c2970cf2e68eb27f0321/Relationship-between-Sexual-Satiety-and-Brain-Androgen-Receptors.pdf

>Three weeks of abstinence increases testostorone levels
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11760788

>Masturbation is associated with lower psychological health and reproductive well-being
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/14681994.2019.1677883

>Sperm contains compounds that prolong lifespan, fight cancer & heart disease
https://vitalrecord.tamhsc.edu/spermidine-rich-foods-may-prevent-liver-cancer-extend-lifespan/

>Masturbation decreases dopamine
https://sites.tufts.edu/emotiononthebrain/2014/11/18/postcoital-neurochemistry-the-blues-and-the-highs/

>Watching porn reduces gray matter in prefrontal cortex
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/fullarticle/1874574

>Porn addiction has similar mechanism with substance addiction
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4600144/

>Making sperm shortens lifespan of male worms
https://www.nytimes.com/1992/12/03/us/in-worm-at-least-making-sperm-is-found-to-shorten-a-male-s-life.html

>Masturbating 3 days in a row decreases sperm count by 20%
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2054949

>Increasing ejaculation frequency decreases sperm count significantly
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15497706

>Prevalence of erectile dysfunction doubled between 2004 and 2013
http://cir.usc.edu/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Genital-Image-Sexual-Anxiety-and-Erectile-Dysfunction-Among-Young-Male-Military-Personnel.pdf

>Pornography consumption associated with mental health issues
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6327603/

[solleks]

Nice post teppler. I agree with your post. I think that the strongest weapon being used against our population is porn. Is really disgusting the woman and men involved are often abused previously and they are also still being used. You are part of this usury if you partake in looking at it.

[galach]

I am going to leave this open for now. If people steer this into politics it will get locked.

[Evia]

Interesting discussion...
Teppler made a good point when he said 'the majority of porn is free'
Ive always wondered this myself...porn stars get paid hella money, and you can tell the production value on most videos isn't cheap, so why have I never paid for it?
Definitely does ring some alarms.

Need to do some research now...


Side note: my wifes cousin was/is a famous porn star.

[Horza]

Nice post teppler. I agree with your post. I think that the strongest weapon being used against our population is porn. Is really disgusting the woman and men involved are often abused previously and they are also still being used. You are part of this usury if you partake in looking at it.

Nice post teppler he says to himself.

[Wonkie]

Nice post teppler. I agree with your post. I think that the strongest weapon being used against our population is porn. Is really disgusting the woman and men involved are often abused previously and they are also still being used. You are part of this usury if you partake in looking at it.

Just say you're sex negative. It's a valid position without the nasty connotations of race.

[solleks]

I'm not teppler dude. We have vastly different ways of communicating. Sorry you have no pattern recognition.

[solleks]

Just say you're sex negative. It's a valid position without the nasty connotations of race.

Give definition of "sex negative" and i will say yes or no

[Wonkie]

I'm not teppler dude. We have vastly different ways of communicating. Sorry you have no pattern recognition.

The first part is tru

[Darkfuneral]

I am going to leave this open for now. If people steer this into politics it will get locked.

I thought America was free?

[Horza]

I thought America was free?

https://i.imgur.com/jw6kF41.gif

[Wonkie]

Give definition of "sex negative" and i will say yes or no

I like Dworkin

[Valeriya]

I am going to leave this open for now. If people steer this into politics it will get locked.

Galach doesnt like Trump...... Trumps going to win!

[Mblake81]

I thought America was free?

Easy now, else we slip into the mire of depression and we get more posts about cutting veins and wallowing in emotions.

[Darkfuneral]

I hope all emo people die

[solleks]

Most metal is emo

[Darkfuneral]

Most metal is emo

??

[Jimjam]

I thought America was free?
Urine hour whirled now.

[Wonkie]

John Michael Greer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Michael_Greer)

Muh peak oil :rolleyes:

[Rader]

Ahoy da mates.

Before I start I like to say that this is not a hate or political post.
I am just interessted in other countrys cultures, and I like to have dialogs with people from around the world.

(This Thread is not about whats better or worse or anythink like that.)


Anyway, America and Europe have a lot in common, but there are still some small but subtle differences. And one of the diffrence which comes to my mind is that America is more prudish then Europe and I am wondering where it comes from?

I dont really follow the Superbowl, but I remember the "scandal" in 2004 when the american nation saw Janet Jacksons nipple. And I remember thinking to myself "WTF? Why is this such a big story in America?"

Maybe I had this thoughts because I grow up with butter ads which shows tits (https://youtu.be/XggzmTZMivA) (NSFW)

But I really couldnt understand (and I still dont understand) why Janet Jackson nipple was such a huge story in america.

I mean we all have nipples, why is such a big thing for you guys? Does it have something to do with the conservative christians in your country? Do people really think that Janet Jacksons nipple would make kids into pornstars or something?


I am sorry if my question or "asking-style" offends someone, I dont mean to (its just my bad english).

Anyway, I have so many questions to this topic but the main question is "why is america so prudish"? (well, maybe its not and Europe or germany is just to permissive /liberal)



P.S. wish you all a good start into the new year

America has its head up its rear when it comes to sex. Its either prudish blatantly, or prudish in stealth mode, on the surface they celebrate stuff that pisses the right off, like butt stuff, and they really want to seem tolerant, but deep down they still are uncomfortable with the idea of true sexual liberation.

[Videri]

I feel like people in this thread are making the mistake of thinking of the USA as a single, unified culture. The people of the USA are not all part of the same group; they comprise many groups. Coastal liberals, Midwest types, Southern Whites, Southern Blacks, rural westerners, New Yorkers of many stripes, many other groups/demographics...New Orleans has its own thing going...even just the state of Florida has dozens of subcultures or cultural-social pockets. In the USA, we are not all the same...and I find that awesome.

One article I read claimed the USA has eleven “nations” within it. The article had a name for each one and showed their borders on a map. That’s probably just one person/publication’s interpretation of the truth, but I see their point.

This is partially due to the many waves of immigration to this continent over the last 500+ years. It’s also partially due to the sheer size of the USA. And perhaps it’s partially due to the one of our country’s core values: that it’s OK to be who you are as long as you aren’t infringing on the rights of others.

Certain other countries may be similar (Brazil, Britain, idk), but it’s my understanding many countries are more culturally cohesive.

I expect it will be hard for us to pinpoint the reason for the USA’s “prudishness” (or depravity, depending on who you ask) because there are so many separate cultures within it.

There are prudish individuals as well as sexually liberated individuals here.

[Darkfuneral]

I love sex

[Llanos]

Na we’re gonna fight back against what you people are doing. It’s not a natural decline but promoted which is shown by the media dogging Christianity constantly. If evangelicals were in control that would not be happening.

You do realize there's been thousands of religions in human history? Each one had it's time and once people became educated enough they threw them out. Why do you think your current religion will be any different? So yes, all religions fade over time. Eventually we will stop replacing religions and just get rid of them all together. They aren't necessary anymore. I think of religion like training wheels on a bike. Super important thing that got humanity started and provided some structure. But just like training wheels, religion is now an encumbrance that is only holding us back now that we know how to ride.

[zodium]

america was founded by people longing to escape famously religiously liberal colonial age europe, OP

[feniin]

Surely the Christians have it right... They believe so much that they are, anyway. Hindus and Jews, which are nearly 2-3x as ancient couldn't possibly be right. What about the followers Zeus and Apollo and Odin and Set and Ra.

Very shortsighted and arrogant to assume that your dogma is any more accurate or valid than anyone else's (or none at all).

[Tenderizer]

Maybe I had this thoughts because I grow up with butter ads which shows tits (https://youtu.be/XggzmTZMivA) (NSFW)



this could also pass as a lube commercial

[solleks]

Surely the Christians have it right... They believe so much that they are, anyway. Hindus and Jews, which are nearly 2-3x as ancient couldn't possibly be right. What about the followers Zeus and Apollo and Odin and Set and Ra.

Very shortsighted and arrogant to assume that your dogma is any more accurate or valid than anyone else's (or none at all).
People worshipped many things, doesn't disprove the Bible. Jews and Christians were the same until Jesus came and politics caused some people to hate and kill him (modern Jews), sorry you didn't know this.

[Mblake81]

You do realize there's been thousands of religions in human history? Each one had it's time and once people became educated enough they threw them out. Why do you think your current religion will be any different? So yes, all religions fade over time. Eventually we will stop replacing religions and just get rid of them all together. They aren't necessary anymore. I think of religion like training wheels on a bike. Super important thing that got humanity started and provided some structure. But just like training wheels, religion is now an encumbrance that is only holding us back now that we know how to ride.

oh Jesus God the cringe in this post. Buffed out on soy and thinking oneself OP.

Very arrogant.

Hook it to my veins.

[solleks]

The church of mainstream media teaches that right now is the apex of humanity

[Pretzelle]

People worshipped many things, doesn't disprove the Bible. Jews and Christians were the same until Jesus came and politics caused some people to hate and kill him (modern Jews), sorry you didn't know this.

What is there to prove about the Bible? Literally zero of it was contemporaneous with Jesus. The earliest parts of the New Testament were around 30-50 years after Jesus died. It's all historical fiction. Hope that helps.

[Mblake81]

What is there to prove about the Bible? Literally zero of it was contemporaneous with Jesus. The earliest parts of the New Testament were around 30-50 years after Jesus died. It's all historical fiction. Hope that helps.

:D

The more you squirm the more it tightens. Despite your opinion that it can be disproved you are still here arguing that it can.

Ever consider going to school for a degree in women's studies?

[solleks]

What is there to prove about the Bible? Literally zero of it was contemporaneous with Jesus. The earliest parts of the New Testament were around 30-50 years after Jesus died. It's all historical fiction. Hope that helps.

That is a cool and normal opinion.

[Teppler]

You do realize there's been thousands of religions in human history? Each one had it's time and once people became educated enough they threw them out. Why do you think your current religion will be any different? So yes, all religions fade over time. Eventually we will stop replacing religions and just get rid of them all together. They aren't necessary anymore. I think of religion like training wheels on a bike. Super important thing that got humanity started and provided some structure. But just like training wheels, religion is now an encumbrance that is only holding us back now that we know how to ride.

The thousand of religions has all led up to the supremacy of Christianity. One of the 10 commandments is that you do not worship other gods except the one high god. The Bible takes into account that other gods exist and have been worshipped. Christianity and the bible has thousands of years of debate building it up from the brightest of philosophers and thinkers throughout history. These aren’t a bunch of made up rules we follow for the hell of it.

It’s true Christianity didn’t always exist though. It started with the birth of Jesus and he became the reform of a religion that already existed, Judaism. Many sources talk about Jesus, even outside the Bible. Such as the Quran which celebrates Jesus not as the son of god but some sort of magic saint.

Will something replace Christianity? Christianity could shrink but the story of the Bible takes us right to the very end, Armageddon.

Religion let alone Christianity isn’t going anywhere. I promise you this. The Bible simply doesn’t change. It’s the word of god and thus infallible. If you think the Bible is wrong when you are reading it, odds are you need an adjustment to your perspective. And that’s another great thing about Christianity, it provides something stable when entities like media and scientists start getting bought off, wacky and pushing weird narratives on the public that are paid for.

[Teppler]

What is there to prove about the Bible? Literally zero of it was contemporaneous with Jesus. The earliest parts of the New Testament were around 30-50 years after Jesus died. It's all historical fiction. Hope that helps.

The Bible is actually the best piece of evidence we have for a lot of history around that time period. We don’t have any other texts. Through the Bible we have recorded stories and histories of places we only have evidence of in ruins and fossils. Hope this helps you appreciate the Bible as the most important non fiction book to exist.

[Teppler]

Consider this. Everyone worships something. If you don’t worship a higher power in God, what do you worship?

[Pretzelle]

Consider this. Everyone worships something. If you don’t worship a higher power in God, what do you worship?

White Nationalism and Anti-Semitism, of course. :o

[Teppler]

White Nationalism and Anti-Semitism, of course. :o

Okay, where’s your morality come from? Do you appeal to that at all or just don’t care?

[Pretzelle]

Treating others the way I would want to be treated, mostly. Except for internet trolls and Nazis. Fuck them :o

[Teppler]

Treating others the way I would want to be treated, mostly. Except for internet trolls and Nazis. Fuck them :o

Hasn’t worked in history. The problem is people with these viewpoints eventually always get up their own asses about how righteous they are. And this viewpoint is all feel good until you have tough decisions to make and it’s simply a lot easier to commit atrocities, and this has been proven throughout history, if you don’t have a fear of god. Atheistic societies are largely awful and committed horrible horrible atrocities throughout history. People largely don’t want to live around them for a reason.

Would you like to live in a neighborhood with people that all have their own personal morality that is highly variable or a neighborhood where stealing and murdering is flatly a sin? I know which one I would choose.

You have no guiding light and you start getting arrogant that you know better than god. Sorry but there’s some things in this world that are beyond human understanding. Eventually we all have to surrender to the idea that we can’t know everything. Surrender your arrogance and surrender to some higher power.

So I’ll ask again now since you ceased answering before, what do you worship if not God? Is it your media? Money?

[feniin]

Hasn’t worked in history. The problem is people with these viewpoints eventually always get up their own asses about how righteous they are. And this viewpoint is all feel good until you have tough decisions to make and it’s simply a lot easier to commit atrocities, and this has been proven throughout history, if you don’t have a fear of god. Atheistic societies are largely awful and committed horrible horrible atrocities throughout history. People largely don’t want to live around them for a reason.

Would you like to live in a neighborhood with people that all have their own personal morality that is highly variable or a neighborhood where stealing and murdering is flatly a sin? I know which one I would choose.

You have no guiding light and you start getting arrogant that you know better than god. Sorry but there’s some things in this world that are beyond human understanding. Eventually we all have to surrender to the idea that we can’t know everything. Surrender your arrogance and surrender to some higher power.

So I’ll ask again now since you ceased answering before, what do you worship if not God? Is it your media? Money?

I don't worship. Can you bring this up on your next episode? Talk about how the big bad elf forum trolls don't believe in god.

[Teppler]

I don't worship. Can you bring this up on your next episode? Talk about how the big bad elf forum trolls don't believe in god.

Sorry but you're wrong in your attempt to dox me. Yes, Galach told me you tried to dox me and he's watching you now. Luckily you are hilariously inept at that like everything else. Keep your harassment effort up and see what happens.

[Teppler]

Doxing is when you PM SPLC pages to the mods :o

The organization that was founded on framing a black man for rape so a pedophile could run free. Nice source of morality.

[feniin]

Sorry but you're wrong in your attempt to dox me. Yes, Galach told me you tried to dox me and he's watching you now. Luckily you are hilariously inept at that like everything else. Keep your harassment effort up and see what happens.

Hilariously wrong? You post the same things on all of the forums you post on. Pretty much confirmed it when you went ballistic about Heather Heyer.

Are you threatening me, Teppler?

[Horza]

People worshipped many things, doesn't disprove the Bible. Jews and Christians were the same until Jesus came and politics caused some people to hate and kill him (modern Jews), sorry you didn't know this.

So modern Jews killed Jesus two thousand years ago, how does one make it to adulthood when you're this stupid?

[Teppler]

So modern Jews killed Jesus two thousand years ago, how does one make it to adulthood when you're this stupid?

He's right. The Jews that live today are the modernized Jews that did not reform to christianity that Jesus brought.

[Horza]

Words have no meaning now, and the Jews modernized by not reforming two thousand years ago. :rolleyes:

[zodium]

das kapital is my bible; the guillotine my cross

[Horza]

Hilariously wrong? You post the same things on all of the forums you post on. Pretty much confirmed it when you went ballistic about Heather Heyer.

Don't forget the conspiracy theories about why Richard Spencer and Ann Coulter haven't been banned from Twitter.

[solleks]

Words have no meaning now, and the Jews modernized by not reforming two thousand years ago. :rolleyes:

sorry you're mad that some people hate jesus , join the club ( most the wealthy in world, media )

[feniin]

sorry you're mad that some people hate jesus , join the club ( most the wealthy in world, media )

Oddly, the Muslims you and your ilk hate so much also hold Jesus in reverence.

[Jimjam]

america was founded by people longing to escape famously religiously liberal colonial age europe, OP

"They're persecuting me by not allowing me to persecute people in the way I think is right".

[Videri]

Religion is not necessary for morality. I’m not sure how to prove that, but that’s my opinion, at least.

[Wonkie]

Religion is not necessary for morality. I’m not sure how to prove that, but that’s my opinion, at least.

Get your own word then!

[solleks]

Oddly, the Muslims you and your ilk hate so much also hold Jesus in reverence.

i dont hate Muslims

[Teppler]

Religion is not necessary for morality. I’m not sure how to prove that, but that’s my opinion, at least.

It's certainly is an opinion and one without good evidence. Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin.

What's that famous quote by Stalin? "Death is the ultimate solution to mans problems. No man no problem." And people like this have committed the worst of atrocities based off this justification. Having a natural fear of God and having a society with a natural fear of God puts the breaks on this.

[Teppler]

"They're persecuting me by not allowing me to persecute people in the way I think is right".

That's such an odd delusion about why the american revolution happened. It had to do with being unfairly taxed without representation. You are trying to spin this in to that they were against religion some how? lol The founding fathers were all God fearing Christian men. The basis of our country was built off those morals which are christian based.

[Jimjam]

People worshipped many things, doesn't disprove the Bible. Jews and Christians were the same until Jesus came and politics caused some people to hate and kill him (modern Jews), sorry you didn't know this.
Is this some immortal lizard man theory, like the british royalty?

The thousand of religions has all led up to the supremacy of Christianity. One of the 10 commandments is that you do not worship other gods except the one high god. The Bible takes into account that other gods exist and have been worshipped. Christianity and the bible has thousands of years of debate building it up from the brightest of philosophers and thinkers throughout history. These aren’t a bunch of made up rules we follow for the hell of it.

It’s true Christianity didn’t always exist though. It started with the birth of Jesus and he became the reform of a religion that already existed, Judaism. Many sources talk about Jesus, even outside the Bible. Such as the Quran which celebrates Jesus not as the son of god but some sort of magic saint.

Will something replace Christianity? Christianity could shrink but the story of the Bible takes us right to the very end, Armageddon.

Religion let alone Christianity isn’t going anywhere. I promise you this. The Bible simply doesn’t change. It’s the word of god and thus infallible. If you think the Bible is wrong when you are reading it, odds are you need an adjustment to your perspective. And that’s another great thing about Christianity, it provides something stable when entities like media and scientists start getting bought off, wacky and pushing weird narratives on the public that are paid for.
There are commandments not to kill yet also mandates to kill. It's a series of stories to give context to life.
It's certainly is an opinion and one without good evidence. Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin.

What's that famous quote by Stalin? "Death is the ultimate solution to mans problems. No man no problem." And people like this have committed the worst of atrocities based off this justification. Having a natural fear of God and having a society with a natural fear of God puts the breaks on this.

Have you considered some of these people were raised religiously and rejected it as they were amoral, not that they were amoral as they rejected religion?

[Horza]

It's certainly is an opinion and one without good evidence. Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin.

What's that famous quote by Stalin? "Death is the ultimate solution to mans problems. No man no problem." And people like this have committed the worst of atrocities based off this justification. Having a natural fear of God and having a society with a natural fear of God puts the breaks on this.

The moderators over at Twitter certainly put a fear of God into some of us posting in this thread.

[Teppler]

Have you considered some of these people were raised religiously and rejected it as they were amoral, not that they were amoral as they rejected religion?

Then they are great case studies to say “stick with your religions no matter what”. If one has a fear of god, it’s healthy and I’ve shown that a few times in this thread now with practical examples.

[Wonkie]

I think you can be a good person without religion, but you can't be moral.

Yes, I am that persnickety.

[Videri]

I think you can be a good person without religion, but you can't be moral.

Yes, I am that persnickety.

*scratches the kitty behind the ears* Sure, kitty.

Religion is not necessary for being a good person.

And no, Teppler, that won’t eventually make me into Pol Pot.

I’m not going to bother trying to prove it and trying to make you guys believe it too. It’s ok with me if I do not convince anyone. I just felt it should be stated.

[Fawqueue]

Religion is not necessary for morality. I’m not sure how to prove that, but that’s my opinion, at least.

That's quite easy to prove. Plenty of upstanding people of high character behave well because they want to, not because they believe God is keeping tabs on them. I don't follow or believe in any religion, and I'm a strict rule follower and I'm generally kind to everyone I meet. I don't have affairs or steal and have never been in trouble with the law. I'm sure everyone knows someone that isn't a religious person, but is still a good one. That's your proof!

[Videri]

That's quite easy to prove. Plenty of upstanding people of high character behave well because they want to, not because they believe God is keeping tabs on them. I don't follow or believe in any religion, and I'm a strict rule follower and I'm generally kind to everyone I meet. I don't have affairs or steal and have never been in trouble with the law. I'm sure everyone knows someone that isn't a religious person, but is still a good one. That's your proof!

Me too, Fawqueue. And hey, sounds clear enough to me.

[Wonkie]

Me too, Fawqueue. And hey, sounds clear enough to me.

It's all relativism without an omnipotent sky wizard to back it up :mad:

[Jimjam]

So you defend pedophile priests as a minority of instances and not representative of catholic as a whole, yet at the same time use just 3 world leaders to argue christian = morality, non christian = no morality?

Religion may or may not alter morality of an individual (and as per my previous post the direction of causality is questionable) but clearly it is not as clear cut as you make out. Especially as 'morality' is fuzzy, even in the bible goalposts shift (as already shown). The ultimate morality set out by Jesus is to love creator, creation and man.

We agree to be glad that some people have religion holding them back.

[Teppler]

*scratches the kitty behind the ears* Sure, kitty.

Religion is not necessary for being a good person.

And no, Teppler, that won’t eventually make me into Pol Pot.

I’m not going to bother trying to prove it and trying to make you guys believe it too. It’s ok with me if I do not convince anyone. I just felt it should be stated.

You won’t be Pol Pot because you’re not going to be a world leader and have those pressures but you’ll have a similar lack of morality. Or better way to phrase it- you’ll have a similar option to justify an atrocity you might commit which is scary to me. And when entire societies take atheistic viewpoints it leads to leaders like Pol Pot that can commit massive atrocities, so you’re aiding a certain type of society and atrocity by supporting atheism.

Stick with your families traditions that have been built up for thousands of years. Your ancestors would be very sad to see you throw away thousands of years of tradition so you can join the mish mash of a non descript 99% average no thought commoners. You’ve been brainwashed to abandon the only people you actually have blood connections to in this world.

[Horza]

That's quite easy to prove. Plenty of upstanding people of high character behave well because they want to, not because they believe God is keeping tabs on them. I don't follow or believe in any religion, and I'm a strict rule follower and I'm generally kind to everyone I meet. I don't have affairs or steal and have never been in trouble with the law. I'm sure everyone knows someone that isn't a religious person, but is still a good one. That's your proof!

Considering Teppler wants us to live in racially segregated ethnostates, I'd wager you have very different ideas of what constitutes good character.

[Jimjam]

Polpot was an anti establishment denier of experts. Right? I'm not an expert myself.

We're all blood related Brother Teppler!

[Teppler]

I mean you can anecdotally talk about how you know tons of atheists and they great people. And I can tell you how I know a bunch and they are largely ugly people on a personal level, arrogant, selfish and generally fuck ups but that’s anecdotal too. Not worth much without other historical facts.

What historical examples do we have from atheistic societies? They are really ugly and they are able to justify massive atrocities because they don’t fear thus have to answer to god.

It’s much easier to wipe out 100k people when you don’t think you have to ultimately answer to god.

[Horza]

What historical examples do we have from atheistic societies?

https://i.imgur.com/DaC5XsD.jpg

[Jimjam]

I mean you can anecdotally talk about how you know tons of atheists and they great people. And I can tell you how I know a bunch and they are largely ugly people on a personal level, arrogant, selfish and generally fuck ups but that’s anecdotal too. Not worth much without other historical facts.

What historical examples do we have from atheistic societies? They are really ugly and they are able to justify massive atrocities because they don’t fear thus have to answer to god.

It’s much easier to wipe out 100k people when you don’t think you have to ultimately answer to god.
'A bunch [of atheists]', you're getting the cause wrong: read 'most people'. They'd be asses as christian, jew or other.

As if Christians never commited atrocities. Some so grimdark they became origin stories for one of the most powerful daemons in the warhammer 40k setting.


If we're rolling deaths caused by mismanagement of famine into numbers Pol Pot was a rookie. The East India Trading Company killed 10 million in the Bengal region to keep shareholders happy. Thats on top of those they hung for refusing to sell what little produce/store they had to the company (instead of feeding their family). This company was acting under royal charter, vis a vis acting in God's name.

Christians aren't magicaly absolved of their sins(!) unless you want to play the 'no real scottsman' game.

[Teppler]

I don’t go to religious service monthly yet I’m religious.

[Jimjam]

It’s much easier to wipe out 100k people when you don’t think you have to ultimately answer to god.

Arguably it's easier if you feel you only answer to God. He'll understand and reward appropriately for bringing righteous justice to heathens and sinners ... Right?

How about the IRA killing young children in England? How about British squadies opening fire on irish civilians?

[Horza]

I don’t go to religious service monthly yet I’m religious.

Don't you have your own sermons that you give, I believe you call them podcasts.

[Wonkie]

'
As if Christians never commited atrocities. Some so grimdark they became origin stories for one of the most powerful daemons in the warhammer 40k setting.



https://i.imgur.com/bKFywnF.jpg

[Teppler]

'A bunch [of atheists]', you're getting the cause wrong: read 'most people'. They'd be asses as christian, jew or other.

As if Christians never commited atrocities. Some so grimdark they became origin stories for one of the most powerful daemons in the warhammer 40k setting.


If we're rolling deaths caused by mismanagement of famine into numbers Pol Pot was a rookie. The East India Trading Company killed 10 million in the Bengal region to keep shareholders happy. Thats on top of those they hung for refusing to sell what little produce/store they had to the company (instead of feeding their family). This company was acting under royal charter, vis a vis acting in God's name.

Christians aren't magicaly absolved of their sins(!) unless you want to play the 'no real scottsman' game.

How long ago were the crusades? How many secular nations have been great since then?

Almost all of modern days societies evolution cane from the great conditions of Christian societies largely because of the system of rules and laws that allowed for building and advancement to take place. And as we move away from those values you can see how we are declining in real time.

On the flip side what does atheism provide for a society? Increased degeneracy which I’ve already shown the deeply harming effects that has, fractures community without a unified set of decent morals, leaves room to justify mass atrocities.

[Llanos]

:D

The more you squirm the more it tightens. Despite your opinion that it can be disproved you are still here arguing that it can.

Ever consider going to school for a degree in women's studies?

I went to Jerusalem on my last business trip. Saw the blood of "Christ". Touched the stone they prepared his body on allegedly. Even went into the place they allegedly entombed him. Felt nothing. No magic. No power. No divine anything. Our tour guide was a very religious man. He could tell I don't believe in fairy tales. Near the end he came to me and told me that it could very well be bullshit. All of it. The stories of Jesus weren't even written down until decades after he died. He said it doesn't matter if it's real or not as long as people believe. I've come to realize that religion is just placebo. It's not real, but as long.ad people keep fooling themselves they actually do get some benefit. Just have to wake people up.

[Teppler]

Don't you have your own sermons that you give, I believe you call them podcasts.

Horza I know you don't have anything to do all day because you are chronically unemployed and overweight but I'm sorry to tell you you're attempted doxxing and subsequent harassment effort is wrong.

[Horza]

At least galach has scared him into just arguing the moral degeneracy of the continent of Europe rather than anyone who has more melanin.

[Teppler]

I went to Jerusalem on my last business trip. Saw the blood of "Christ". Touched the stone they prepared his body on allegedly. Even went into the place they allegedly entombed him. Felt nothing. No magic. No power. No divine anything. Our tour guide was a very religious man. He could tell I don't believe in fairy tales. Near the end he came to me and told me that it could very well be bullshit. All of it. The stories of Jesus weren't even written down until decades after he died. He said it doesn't matter if it's real or not as long as people believe. I've come to realize that religion is just placebo. It's not real, but as long.ad people keep fooling themselves they actually do get some benefit. Just have to wake people up.

Calling BS. What religion was the man that was touring you? Doesn't sound Christian.

[Wonkie]

Calling BS. What religion was the man that was touring you? Doesn't sound Christian.

Christian Agnosticism is like that scene in Peter Pan where they clap Tinkerbell back to life. It's ok.

[Teppler]

https://i.imgur.com/XTcAFH8.jpg

[Llanos]

Religion is not necessary for morality. I’m not sure how to prove that, but that’s my opinion, at least.

[Llanos]

Calling BS. What religion was the man that was touring you? Doesn't sound Christian.

I was in Jerusalem. He was Jewish. Try to keep up

[Teppler]

I was in Jerusalem. He was Jewish. Try to keep up

Jewish man tries to convince you Jesus wasn't real. Color me shocked.

[Teppler]

Llanos, that's such a hokey picture of an atheist. Its said anytime an atheist does something good it's about them having some inner higher morality than anyone else. Give me a break. This is what I mean when I say atheists tend to be up their own asses. What if the atheist had a big reward on the other side of his or her gesture? Bad consequences if they did something wrong? What happens when push comes to shove and two atheists both think they are doing the right thing?

Honestly the most caring and charitable people I've ever met were christian priests. The services, charity, visiting sick people, deathbeds.... all for free. What atheist groups are doing this?

[Horza]

I've noticed that many Christian priests are often particularly charitable towards young boys.

[Teppler]

I've noticed that many Christian priests are often particularly charitable towards young boys.

Right up your alley then Horza. You never had an answer for your support and enabling of pedophiles.

[Llanos]

Jewish man tries to convince you Jesus wasn't real. Color me shocked.

He said all religion. His included. It's all placebo.

I understand brain washing is very hard to overcome. There was some research done on how to clear out brainwashing. There's two methods that seem to work. One is just a lot of personal work. Research and a willingness to listen. The other is something traumatic has to happen that contradicts your brainwashing. Something so awful it breaks you from the spell. So this is all worthless ultimately. Unless you want to give up your fairy tales or something traumatic happens you won't ever learn.

[Teppler]

He said all religion. His included. It's all placebo.

I understand brain washing is very hard to overcome. There was some research done on how to clear out brainwashing. There's two methods that seem to work. One is just a lot of personal work. Research and a willingness to listen. The other is something traumatic has to happen that contradicts your brainwashing. Something so awful it breaks you from the spell. So this is all worthless ultimately. Unless you want to give up your fairy tales or something traumatic happens you won't ever learn.

His religion is largely atheistic. An extremely large percentage of Jews are atheists. You had someone from a foreign religion give you propaganda about their own religious/cultural beliefs and it effected you so much they recruited you as a low level soldier for them. Don’t talk me about brainwashing when you fell under that spell so easily. You’ve been brainwashed by media since birth to reject Christianity and Christian values. Traditions your ancestors built up for thousands of years. A guiding light that served your family and you throw it away so easily? They would be sad and disappointed.

[solleks]

I went to Jerusalem on my last business trip. Saw the blood of "Christ". Touched the stone they prepared his body on allegedly. Even went into the place they allegedly entombed him. Felt nothing. No magic. No power. No divine anything. Our tour guide was a very religious man. He could tell I don't believe in fairy tales. Near the end he came to me and told me that it could very well be bullshit. All of it. The stories of Jesus weren't even written down until decades after he died. He said it doesn't matter if it's real or not as long as people believe. I've come to realize that religion is just placebo. It's not real, but as long.ad people keep fooling themselves they actually do get some benefit. Just have to wake people up.

Likely a Jewish man.

[solleks]

Sorry i missed some but it seems i was right

[Horza]

Likely a Jewish man.

Sorry i missed some but it seems i was right

You were correct that Jews live in Jerusalem, Teppler. :rolleyes:

[Teppler]

Likely a Jewish man.

He thought it was some amazing enlightening thing that a Jewish man doesn’t believe in Jesus.

[solleks]

You were correct that Jews live in Jerusalem, Teppler. :rolleyes:

It is an ethnostate after all.

[Horza]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJUhlRoBL8M

[Jimjam]

How long ago were the crusades? How many secular nations have been great since then?

Almost all of modern days societies evolution cane from the great conditions of Christian societies largely because of the system of rules and laws that allowed for building and advancement to take place. And as we move away from those values you can see how we are declining in real time.

On the flip side what does atheism provide for a society? Increased degeneracy which I’ve already shown the deeply harming effects that has, fractures community without a unified set of decent morals, leaves room to justify mass atrocities.

You're moving the goalposts by discounting the crusades, you're again gatekeeping Christianity. Besides which you're ignoring the terrible shit Britain/her agents were responsible for for the sake of looting the world.

Law and order precedes christianity. The Mediterranean cultures that housed early christianity are from which western development is derived. By definition they predate christian values. Istanbul also played a major role of influence in thr development of modern nations despite not being christian.

The thing is you're again moving the goal posts talking about modern nations, that has nothing to do with morality.

You argued morality is impossible without christianity, now you're arguing devopment of modern societies required the support of christian institution which is really a different debate and distracts from the fact there are clear examles Christianity is not synonamous with morality.

[Jimjam]

His religion is largely atheistic. An extremely large percentage of Jews are atheists. You had someone from a foreign religion give you propaganda about their own religious/cultural beliefs and it effected you so much they recruited you as a low level soldier for them. Don’t talk me about brainwashing when you fell under that spell so easily. You’ve been brainwashed by media since birth to reject Christianity and Christian values. Traditions your ancestors built up for thousands of years. A guiding light that served your family and you throw it away so easily? They would be sad and disappointed.

Christian values aren't thousands of years old. They're nearly 2000 at best. This is why people don't take you at face value.

[Evia]

Christian values aren't thousands of years old. They're nearly 2000 at best. This is why people don't take you at face value.

Isn’t 2000 years old ....thousands?

[Teppler]

You're moving the goalposts by discounting the crusades, you're again gatekeeping Christianity. Besides which you're ignoring the terrible shit Britain/her agents were responsible for for the sake of looting the world.

Law and order precedes christianity. The Mediterranean cultures that housed early christianity are from which western development is derived. By definition they predate christian values. Istanbul also played a major role of influence in thr development of modern nations despite not being christian.

The thing is you're again moving the goal posts talking about modern nations, that has nothing to do with morality.

You argued morality is impossible without christianity, now you're arguing devopment of modern societies required the support of christian institution which is really a different debate and distracts from the fact there are clear examles Christianity is not synonamous with morality.

How long ago were the crusades?

How many Christian societies have run successfully since then?

Now figure out the likely ratio and realize your argument is nutty.

Remember at the end of the day the people following Christianity are still human and make human mistakes. Humans sin, even Christians. Trying to be better is a big thing in Christianity not the guarantee that you’re a perfect creature right now. And also there’s been groups that have taken control of establishment Christianity. It’s happening right now.

Your argument is the other side of the coin of anecdotally pointing at your atheist buddy who you consider a good person therefore atheism is good. It’s a wack ass argument. You’re missing appropriate context.

[Horza]

Christian values aren't thousands of years old. They're nearly 2000 at best. This is why people don't take you at face value.

The Protestant Reformation took place during the sixteenth century.

[Teppler]

Isn’t 2000 years old ....thousands?

He’s also missing that Christian values are rooted in judeo Christian values which are much older than 2000 years as well.

[Fawqueue]

How long ago were the crusades?

How many Christian societies have run successfully since then?

Now figure out the likely ratio and realize your argument is nutty.

Remember at the end of the day the people following Christianity are still human and make human mistakes. Humans sin, even Christians. Trying to be better is a big thing in Christianity not the guarantee that you’re a perfect creature right now. And also there’s been groups that have taken control of establishment Christianity. It’s happening right now.

Your argument is the other side of the coin of anecdotally pointing at your atheist buddy who you consider a good person therefore atheism is good. It’s a wack ass argument. You’re missing appropriate context.

But the thing you are missing is that a lot of those successfully run 'Christian' countries do so by separating church and state. Even the founding fathers had the foresight to look to religion for morality, but keep it separate from government. You are attributing success to religion where it's definitely not warranted.

[Teppler]

But the thing you are missing is that a lot of those successfully run 'Christian' countries do so by separating church and state. Even the founding fathers had the foresight to look to religion for morality, but keep it separate from government. You are attributing success to religion where it's definitely not warranted.

To me, these are still examples of Christian nations. I don’t believe you need a Pope-sequel president to be considered a Christian nation. Just a background, morality and leadership that is largely Christian and hold Christian values. Same thing for atheist. I would consider a society largely an atheist society if most of its people and leaders were atheists and clearly had those values.

[Horza]

He’s also missing that Christian values are rooted in judeo Christian values which are much older than 2000 years as well.

Jordan Peterson has rotted your brain, you think that Christian values predate Christ?

[Jimjam]

But the thing you are missing is that a lot of those successfully run 'Christian' countries do so by separating church and state. Even the founding fathers had the foresight to look to religion for morality, but keep it separate from government. You are attributing success to religion where it's definitely not warranted.

I don't think Teppler is saying the church runs these countries or anything like that, rather the church's soft influence shapes the morality of the country... Right T?

[Jimjam]

How long ago were the crusades?

How many Christian societies have run successfully since then?

Now figure out the likely ratio and realize your argument is nutty.

Remember at the end of the day the people following Christianity are still human and make human mistakes. Humans sin, even Christians. Trying to be better is a big thing in Christianity not the guarantee that you’re a perfect creature right now. And also there’s been groups that have taken control of establishment Christianity. It’s happening right now.

Your argument is the other side of the coin of anecdotally pointing at your atheist buddy who you consider a good person therefore atheism is good. It’s a wack ass argument. You’re missing appropriate context.

I just misunderstood you then. It seemed you were arguing being atheist is anathema to morality on every level. My apologies if you weren't intended to be so absolute.

[Jimjam]

Isn’t 2000 years old ....thousands?

Well Jesus didn't have a cult following until his 30s, and Christianity as an organised, codified religion is younger again than that.

Using 'thousands' to mean 'just about, nearly but not quite 2000, unless we consider the herald testimony John the Baptist' seems disingenuous.

As does claiming ancient jewish values as christian values. And yes, I am aware the nature of the christ was prophesied, but that still is not christian values (noble as the 10 commandments may have been of whatever overlap the religions share).

[Jimjam]

The Protestant Reformation took place during the sixteenth century.

You raise a good point on what ARE Christian values? You think a message of love and respect would be simple but there have been so many schisms. Orthodox, catholic, protestant, hell even atheistic christianity?

[Teppler]

I don't think Teppler is saying the church runs these countries or anything like that, rather the church's soft influence shapes the morality of the country... Right T?

Yeah I think I explained that exact point pretty well in my last post.

[Jimjam]

Yeah I think I explained that exact point pretty well in my last post.

Ah good, at least sometimes i get a read on you right ;).

[Horza]

You raise a good point on what ARE Christian values? You think a message of love and respect would be simple but there have been so many schisms. Orthodox, catholic, protestant, hell even atheistic christianity?

The idea that there is a single unified Judeo-Christian value system that has ever existed in the history of western civilization is just a myth spread by various rightwing evangelists like Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterson.

[Jimjam]

Yeah I think I explained that exact point pretty well in my last post.

I think that soft power of the church is really important. There seems to be a critical mass where christian values can be encouraged as the social norm, even in those who never had or renounced their theism.

I know many who were raised as Christians, but lost their faith but still ascribe value to a core message of the New Testament (love ... )

I guess it's like those kids who lose their faith in santa but still strive to be nice rather than naughty.

[Teppler]

When you think about it, what Christian values does your society run by? Name em. I think you'll be hard pressed.

[Jimjam]

The idea that there is a single unified Judeo-Christian value system that has ever existed in the history of western civilization is just a myth spread by various rightwing evangelists like Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterson.

It's so much fun when my mother in law comes to church in England. Her father was an orthodox priest in Lesvos. Pretty much everything that happens in the church has her muttering "heresia" in Greek under her breath. It's a good job she didn't have the English language skill to recognise the point to announce objections in the wedding ceremony!

Apparently pipe organs are particularly heretical. I always imagine her head over those "what heresy is this?!" warhammer memes.

[Jimjam]

When you think about it, what Christian values does your society run by? Name em. I think you'll be hard pressed.

Supporting girls and women that fall pregnant outside of wedlock?

[Wonkie]

When you think about it, what Christian values does your society run by? Name em. I think you'll be hard pressed.

I like your song and dance. Lol:cool:

[Horza]

I just misunderstood you then. It seemed you were arguing being atheist is anathema to morality on every level. My apologies if you weren't intended to be so absolute.

https://i.imgur.com/0HzcP8e.jpg

[Teppler]

You raise a good point on what ARE Christian values? You think a message of love and respect would be simple but there have been so many schisms. Orthodox, catholic, protestant, hell even atheistic christianity?

Anti degeneracy, anti usury, fear of god. Try that for starters. We fail on all accounts.

[Jimjam]

I'm a renowned table flipper I'll have you know!

[feniin]

Do you think that David Duke and Richard Spencer are examples of "good Christians"?

[Darkfuneral]

Gay

[Asteria]

Anti degeneracy, anti usury, fear of god. Try that for starters. We fail on all accounts.

Medieval RPing of a superstitious commoner is best left to fiction and obvious LARPing, friend. :o

P.S. Caging innocent children in inhumane/overcrowded conditions and supporting it could qualify as "degeneracy" under many peoples' definitions of perversions and "degeneracy". Be careful what highly subjective words you throw around so nonchalantly...

[Horza]

Medieval roleplaying coincidentally has a fascinating history of sexual perversions and degeneracy.

[Darkfuneral]

Hail Satan

[Wonkie]

Medieval roleplaying coincidentally has a fascinating history of sexual perversions and degeneracy.

Like it or not, Teppler has powerful psychic energy. You'd have to figure out the nature of his trauma to deal with it, like knowing a demon's truename.

He needs Elvish medicine.

[feniin]

Like it or not, Teppler has powerful psychic energy. You'd have to figure out the nature of his trauma to deal with it, like knowing a demon's truename.

He needs Elvish medicine.

He is an adept shaman.

[Horza]

I’m simply an observer who watches cultures and studies history.

[Teppler]

https://i.imgur.com/UMwq6mV.jpg

[Teppler]

https://i.imgur.com/wn2wX3A.jpg

[Teppler]

https://i.imgur.com/p4lUnpT.jpg

[Wonkie]

Thanks for the memes

[Horza]

Thanks for the memes

https://i.imgur.com/UI9QQcy.jpg

[Teppler]

https://i.imgur.com/C6IqdGx.png

[Darkfuneral]

https://i.imgur.com/UI9QQcy.jpg

LOL

[Teppler]

Why would a leader allow mass pornography around their society when the horrible effects are well known? Yes that includes Janet Jackson flashing her titties.

[Jimjam]

Because they too are prolific consumers.

[feniin]

Do you think that David Duke and Richard Spencer are examples of "good Christians"?

[Domo]

Happy New Year everyone.


Yikes, this thread didnt go so well as planned. But thanks to everyone who tryed to stay focused on the topic.

I will read your replys later (except the replys of you know who).

[Videri]

Happy New Year everyone.


Yikes, this thread didnt go so well as planned. But thanks to everyone who tryed to stay focused on the topic.

I will read your replys later (except the replys of you know who).

Your thread is truly Off Topic now.

[kjs86z]

Teppler, can you give us some information on the USS Liberty, the dancing Israelis, "Lucky" Larry Silverstein, nanothermite, WTC 7, and what the Talmud says about eating with goyim?

[Jimjam]

Happy New Year everyone.


Yikes, this thread didnt go so well as planned. But thanks to everyone who tryed to stay focused on the topic.

I will read your replys later (except the replys of you know who).

Thanks Domo! Happy new year to you too.

My apologies for embracing tangents that drifted your off topic thread off topic! Turns out debating the nature of christianity and morality was an important subdiscussion that needed addressing before we could address the initial question satisfactorily.

[Videri]

Domo, I hope you will read and reply to my very long post on page 6. I’d be curious to know if it gives you any insight or inspiration regarding your question.

[Teppler]

Because they too are prolific consumers.

And? Keep going. Why is that important to a leader?

[Videri]

Who doxxed Teppler? In what way did they dox him? Did they merely post a link to his podcast, and is that doxing, and why? Just curious.

[Teppler]

Teppler, can you give us some information on the USS Liberty, the dancing Israelis, "Lucky" Larry Silverstein, nanothermite, WTC 7, and what the Talmud says about eating with goyim?

I’m like the only one that tries to be respectful of the mods and the discussion here. Mods said they don’t want this discussion on these forums. It’s one of those dangerous narratives you can’t talk seriously about and I respect that. It is dangerous. If it were ridiculous no one would care.

[Teppler]

Who doxxed Teppler? In what way did they dox him? Did they merely post a link to his podcast, and is that doxing, and why? Just curious.

Read the rules of the forum. Let’s say they aren’t total boobs and actually figured out authentic information-

Stay out of Real Life
Many people expect to keep personal and real life matters separate from those that happen in the game. We expect all forum members to respect each other's privacy.

You may not ever post any real life information about another user, including but not limited to: name, address, phone numbers, pictures, employer's, associates, etc. This also extends to protect other forms of communication including IM Aliases, email addresses, social media accounts etc.

There is zero tolerance for posting someone’s real life information. Those that violate this rule will be banned and such posts will be deleted.

This is very clear cut. Stay out of real life stick to p99. Of course the degenerates can’t help themselves to try.

[Teppler]

Teppler, can you give us some information on the USS Liberty, the dancing Israelis, "Lucky" Larry Silverstein, nanothermite, WTC 7, and what the Talmud says about eating with goyim?

“Wahhhh someone’s criticizing my blacked.com addiction I’m mad”

[feniin]

Go on detective short bus feniin, let them know your retard findings. That you believe I’m an alt right celebrity posting on project1999 forums for hours a day.

awfully defensive about something you claim is incorrect :o

[Horza]

“Wahhhh someone’s criticizing my blacked.com addiction I’m mad”

Why do you keep bringing up interracial porn for no apparent reason? I'm really starting to wonder if there is some projection going on here.

[Videri]

Hm. I've never read anything about Teppler except what he posts on P99 forums, and I believe he is an alt right celebrity posting on project1999 forums for hours a day.

Read the rules of the forum. Let’s say they aren’t total boobs and actually figured out authentic information-

Stay out of Real Life
Many people expect to keep personal and real life matters separate from those that happen in the game. We expect all forum members to respect each other's privacy.

You may not ever post any real life information about another user, including but not limited to: name, address, phone numbers, pictures, employer's, associates, etc. This also extends to protect other forms of communication including IM Aliases, email addresses, social media accounts etc.

There is zero tolerance for posting someone’s real life information. Those that violate this rule will be banned and such posts will be deleted.

This is very clear cut. Stay out of real life stick to p99. Of course the degenerates can’t help themselves to try.

What platform is the podcast on? Soundcloud or something? That counts as a social media account? I'm not sure it's "very clear cut." Anyway, I'm certainly not in support of doxxing anyone. Luckily, interpreting the rules is not up to me, or to Teppler or Feniin or any of us, but up to the staff.

[Teppler]

awfully defensive about something you claim if incorrect :o

You attempting to dox me is flatly against the rules but secondary it’s pilpul that takes away from actual discussion. I’m here for the discussion. So I’m going to look to get you banned off the doxxing whether you were accurate or not. The thing with pilpul is you don’t need to be accurate at all to hijack a discussion with false pilpul like you’re doing in these threads now.

[Horza]

I’m here for the discussion. So I’m going to look to get you banned

https://i.imgur.com/jw6kF41.gif

[Videri]

Yeah, I was going to say, Teppler's usually the one to derail the discussion with tangentially-related topics.