Witchcraft! Do you believe in it?

[Vormotus]

For curiositys sake, as most of you are to me quite "americanized" , what is your personal take on Witchcraft?

Down here it is pretty common, and specially in my country Venezuela, where we have several native religions heavily based on Orisha and Nature Spirits Like Maria Lionza.

See some of these videos>

https://youtu.be/Kpcc4D9e3BY A typical ritual, warning its ... bloody.

https://youtu.be/jL7ialG-QMI ---- Doctors out witches are in in Venezuela

For me, as a mind health and wellness practitioner it has been part of my training to know about these things as well, if I get to see a client that has these beliefs I must be aware of the common practices and the types of "curses" and "hexes" and "favors" and treat them according to them.

A lot of Venezuelans go to Sorte Mountain, a sacred place where people go to die , pray, get possessed by spirits or get rid of them. People disappear, get killed or mugged in there, and it is recommended you go there in groups.

I went there several types as the local Folklore is quite rich and colourful, but usually when talking to people from other countries they have a wide variety of reactions.

So decided to cast the net here :)

My informal training goes into reading tobacco as well plus cards and many other things for fun and empirical knowledge as my country has a strong tendency to magical beliefs and well I worked in a Psychiatric hospital, which further encouraged me to dig deeper into the vast web of beliefs in my country.

To top it off, we have a lot of native population, each of them with their gods, spirits and belief systems, from the Mohanes of the west on the Colombian Border to the Piaches of the West near the Brazilian Borders and a plethora of magical practitioners in the middle.

Find it always a good topic of discussion, so wanted to see what other people think about it or their experiences with it.

When I was in Dominican Republic a couple years ago I was invited to see some nice rituals near the Haiti Border, and was quite thrilled to find a lot of Europeans and Americans in there, just like when I found them in Venezuela, so I know a lot of you guys are into it as well haha.

Some of the most prominent patrons usually end up being foreigners, so always curious about it.

A super big hug from the Isthmus my friends!

[Jimjam]

I'm married to Calypso herselph.

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

WITCHCRAFT WHERE?

[solleks]

The Bible

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

The Bible

Edgy

[Teppler]

I’ve spent a lot of my life with advanced spiritual pursuits, meditation, the occult etc and have taught many people. I’m qualified to lead discussions on these topics. I’ve always appreciated the shamanism path the most and their collection of techniques. I’ve seen female shaman referred to as witches plenty of times.

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

I’ve spent a lot of my life with advanced spiritual pursuits, meditation, the occult etc and have taught many people. I’m qualified to lead discussions on these topics. I’ve always appreciated the shamanism path the most and their collection of techniques. I’ve seen female shaman referred to as witches plenty of times.

You have tutored people on the occult? Qualified to lead discussions on the occult?

What just happened..

[Rick Sanchez]

I bet witches fuck your brains out.

[Wonkie]

makeup is the most common type of magic

[Teppler]

You have tutored people on the occult? Qualified to lead discussions on the occult?

What just happened..

Feel free to test me.

Shamanism is high voltage. It's a series of techniques that tugs on incredible forces that are behind the veil.

Consider this. I've probably done this rant somewhere here before but, string theory says that reality is made up of tons of intersecting strings that make up reality. Most are not perceivable to the human mind but they are there none the less. There's a whole world of things happening around you every moment, tugging on you, that you are unaware of. Advanced occult meditation teaches one how to deal with these forces and perhaps one day manipulate them.

Shamans main technique is the power of the trance. They utilize all sorts of techniques to induce a state where they are in a trance and they can gain information from there. They utilize repetitive singing, dance, other movements, drugs, rituals and my favorite, intense breathing exercises which I'm one of the best at. Spinal bhastrika is a great breathing/trance technique.

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

None of my concern what you do for a hobby :)

I used to do Qi Gong, who am i to judge anyone for what they choose to believe in. Even you.

[Tethler]

Nah, don't believe in any of that stuff. Or any religion for that matter.

[Asteria]

Feel free to test me.

Shamanism is high voltage. It's a series of techniques that tugs on incredible forces that are behind the veil.

Consider this. I've probably done this rant somewhere here before but, string theory says that reality is made up of tons of intersecting strings that make up reality. Most are not perceivable to the human mind but they are there none the less. There's a whole world of things happening around you every moment, tugging on you, that you are unaware of. Advanced occult meditation teaches one how to deal with these forces and perhaps one day manipulate them.

Shamans main technique is the power of the trance. They utilize all sorts of techniques to induce a state where they are in a trance and they can gain information from there. They utilize repetitive singing, dance, other movements, drugs, rituals and my favorite, intense breathing exercises which I'm one of the best at. Spinal bhastrika is a great breathing/trance technique.

Sound Dangerous!!

What the heck?? Go to church and meet normal people :eek::eek:

STOP the Tomfoolery before it is too late!

[Teppler]

Sound Dangerous!!

What the heck?? Go to church and meet normal people :eek::eek:

STOP the Tomfoolery before it is too late!

I'm loyal to Jesus too.

[Vormotus]

what did the fat guy smoke that made him spit up blood i wonder

Nothing beyond natural herbs ... Some of them quite Psychoactive.

Blood is common in all Maria Lionza rituals in the Sorte Mountain

Here you can see many videos where the blood comes from cutting skins, tongues, ears, cheeks and even arms and belly, plus varied types of cuts on yourself and others (always willing of course, nothing works in this type of rituals if forced)

Not all videos in English but you can see plenty real blood by the possessed here :)

Video 1: https://youtu.be/1kX5sox6yj4?t=8


Here in this video you can see a "Materia" or vessel , being possessed and cutting himself , then being questioned and proceeding to answer the multiple questions all participants have for the spirit or spirits allegedly possesing this man.

Again I have found these rituals quite entertaining and they are pretty common, but I know it is not to everyones tastes, just wanted to share.

Many practitioners of these rituals have their own customs, but in my travels around the world I have never seen them like this, the most similar might be the haitian ones, and yet, they are extremely different in scope and social impact.

In this other video, made by Vice, we see a more sanitized version and extremely simple explanation of the plethora of rituals done in Venezuela

VIdeo2 > https://youtu.be/GALJ_HkDmRg


But they are quite bloody, and none of it fake, been there myself as an spectator many times, again due to intellectual curiosity and cultural heritage, plus love seeing the faces of some of my foreigners friends when I toured them there to Sorte Mountain, a lot of them thanked me profusely for showing them this.

Love showing this off to foreigners as well on the net :)


Also one of the things I have always enjoyed about local religions in my country is how they adapt quickly to modern tropes and outsider ideas.

Most of the "Spiritual Courts" have unique names, spirits, greater spirits, guides and even priests.

Our history is full of encounters with the occult , again due to how our history is heavily influenced by the local Natives and the influx of African slaves during the Colony which created a very complex amalgamation of creeds, beliefs and rituals.

We have a "Corte Malandra" for example, which is a Royal Court of Spirits of Larceny, Theft, Murder and Vengeance

An old article here explaining how extremely evil people in life are now canonized in death as Guardians and Protectors of those that deal in Murder and Theft

https://observers.france24.com/en/20110822-venezuela-thugs-worshipped-saints-today-crime-violence-religion

I could spend hours talking about this as it is a highly interesting subject, specially due to how bleak and bloody it is which in a morbid sense, appeals to me.

Seems I have gotten some reaction so all is good!

It is always good to know more and outside your boundaries I say :cool:


Super big hug from the Lonely Isthmus!

[choppedandglued]

Feel free to test me.

Shamanism is high voltage. It's a series of techniques that tugs on incredible forces that are behind the veil.

Consider this. I've probably done this rant somewhere here before but, string theory says that reality is made up of tons of intersecting strings that make up reality. Most are not perceivable to the human mind but they are there none the less. There's a whole world of things happening around you every moment, tugging on you, that you are unaware of. Advanced occult meditation teaches one how to deal with these forces and perhaps one day manipulate them.

Shamans main technique is the power of the trance. They utilize all sorts of techniques to induce a state where they are in a trance and they can gain information from there. They utilize repetitive singing, dance, other movements, drugs, rituals and my favorite, intense breathing exercises which I'm one of the best at. Spinal bhastrika is a great breathing/trance technique.

There's always the guy that is offering 1 million dollars to anybody that can prove anything supernatural exists under a scientifically measured environment. I'm pretty sure if these shamans could do anything special they would of had one prove his magic and their whole village would be rich. Even with the rampant number of cameras on cell phones not a single event showing supernatural powers like you suggest exists.

[Vormotus]

There's always the guy that is offering 1 million dollars to anybody that can prove anything supernatural exists under a scientifically measured environment. I'm pretty sure if these shamans could do anything special they would of had one prove his magic and their whole village would be rich. Even with the rampant number of cameras on cell phones not a single event showing supernatural powers like you suggest exists.

The Amazing Randi is the BESTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT OF THE BESTTTTTTTTTT!!!:cool::cool::cool:


https://i.imgur.com/Yr9c4pi.gif

There is a documentary about his life, and was a bit shocked to find out his partner is a Venezuelan hahaha.

Docu is called: AN HONEST LIAR https://youtu.be/s9ZWaS_FjNU

All of my countrymen show up in the most weird places of the world.

I dont think he has the 1 million dollar offer still up, but man, debunking stuff is amazing for a living.

He has so many good stories!

Again for me all Venezuelan Magic is just part of a cultural baggage/heritage I enjoy showing around, due to how bloody yet visually impacting it is, regardless of how "real" it is. the blood was very real though, can verify it , the magical aspect is up to the performer and the recipient.

Oh man, the Amazing Randi is so good, he really has some amazing insights into how the human mind works.

Here is an old Ted Talk

https://youtu.be/c0Z7KeNCi7g

Ahhh love this topic.;)

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

Most "shaman" are just people who took a bunch of salvia and had "a visionquest" and are suddenly an authority on it. We all did salvia. We all had a bad time :D

[choppedandglued]

The Amazing Randi is the BESTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT OF THE BESTTTTTTTTTT!!!:cool::cool::cool:


https://i.imgur.com/Yr9c4pi.gif

There is a documentary about his life, and was a bit shocked to find out his partner is a Venezuelan hahaha.

Docu is called: AN HONEST LIAR https://youtu.be/s9ZWaS_FjNU

All of my countrymen show up in the most weird places of the world.

I dont think he has the 1 million dollar offer still up, but man, debunking stuff is amazing for a living.

He has so many good stories!

Again for me all Venezuelan Magic is just part of a cultural baggage/heritage I enjoy showing around, due to how bloody yet visually impacting it is, regardless of how "real" it is. the blood was very real though, can verify it , the magical aspect is up to the performer and the recipient.

Oh man, the Amazing Randi is so good, he really has some amazing insights into how the human mind works.

Here is an old Ted Talk

https://youtu.be/c0Z7KeNCi7g

Ahhh love this topic.;)

The point really is that the things you were talking about, the supernatural stuff, has had its chance to be proven by now. It hasn't, what's the excuse?

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

Probably the same place as the "deep state" and "Shadow government"

[Jimjam]

Probably the same place as the "deep state" and "Shadow government"

People like this sense of connectedness, and therefore control (even if the controller is something external to them). This also gives a tangible cause (or being) against which these people can ascribe blame for undesirable things that happen. This perceived cohesive 'personified evil' becomes a target to fight against, which internalises the locus of control for these otherwise wild and unconnected events in their life.

This is why people enjoy blaming perhaps the Rothschildes, bankers, globalists, media monguls. It is comforting to believe someone is behind the chaos.

I'm certainly guilty of it, probably ascribing way more influence to Rupert Murdoch and his cohorts than really due. It's just so comforting to believe 'people are voting against their own interests because Ozyank brainwashed them into hating immigrants'.

[Vormotus]

The point really is that the things you were talking about, the supernatural stuff, has had its chance to be proven by now. It hasn't, what's the excuse?

The Validity of the Supernatural is not the topic I am discussing, but you are welcome to it!

I come from a culture that does not bother with proofs or truths, certainties or reality, we all live in a constant flux of truth and tangibility.

And yet I know what you mean though that is not what I am discussing.

What happens today is not what will happen tomorrow, there are no certainties.

It is very hard to think what lies in front of you is real, if at all, only because tomorrow it will not exist.

I always liked the concept the natives from Australia give to reality, The Dreamtime.

Latinamerica is like that.

I can understand "Magic" and "Witchcraft" is as real as <insert whatever you think its imaginary> , so I honestly just like to talk about it like ... Art?

Personally I love Randi and debunking people that believe these things are real, for Venezuelans these rituals are cultural and obviously it is dangerous territory when Real Medicine is left to the side for "magic", but again, that is not what I want to show here.

Love showing it to others, even if they do not believe in it, because I find it absolutely delightful how people react, outsiders and insiders.

Personally I only believe in the fact people believe what they see is real, which leaves me apart and detached from it.

I am not talking about people doing magical rituals with stones or trees, but about the act of self-mortification so evident in our local rites, the music, the smoke, the types of drugs, the dancing.

There is something amazing in the ritual act some of these performers, under strong hallucinogenics, do to their bodies and the energy you can feel when everybody begins to let loose under the influence of the Stage Theatrics of the whole ritual.

Imagine a Psychological Experiment on a Mass Scale. A Cultural Performing Arts, a visual debauchery of the senses.

There is nothing there but what you want to pour on it, and it is also a longing.

Visually it is amazing, the sound is sublime, tribal.

Here you can see what I mean > Venezuelan Drums https://youtu.be/Q3ZVgldwHOU


And more Venezuelan Drums! Love it! > https://youtu.be/hbtQmhnSxl4


Again, Art, local Venezuela Art and Music, which can not be separated from its "magical" aspect. It is something hard to explain to others, so all I can do is show it around :D

in Venezuela the line between reality and fantasy is so blurred people live in an altered reality state, which is fascinating to me as a psychologist.

Points of validity or reason, though being important overall, are not the focus on the deep sociological aspects that surround these rituals, it is like trying to point at Mickey Mouse and insulting it , like the famous "Enemy Mine" scene :p

It is like growing up knowing Santa is not real, yet enjoying Xmas for the chance to be with loved ones or as an excuse to be charitative or hang out with friends and have dinner, even if the whole mythology behind it is as fake as a 3 Dollar bill and elves do not exist and no white fat guy travels from the North Pole to bring gifts to good children.

I mean, everyone knows it is not real, hope the analogy conveys what I mean. :)

And love showing it around ... the more blood, the better, its fantastic! For me when people begin to pour hot candle wax all over their bodies and spasm is like the climax of the whole show.

If just one person discovers about it from this thread, my work is done, which is again, just to show some interesting local aspects of my country to others.

Reality is another topic, delusions a different reality altogether.

Here let me finish with something the Amazing Randi once said:
https://i.imgur.com/ysOESOw.jpg

So open you rmind to it, just not too much, and see it as performing arts.

We do not have geishas or danish tongue singers (https://youtu.be/OBv8zbHiLls) or russian squat dancers (https://youtu.be/Q-Y7oKPdV70), we have guys cutting themselves open praying to local nature spirits while under the influence of strong drugs.

And for me that is ... Sublime. :D

Big hug to you my friend! Remain Skeptical! Everybody is always selling something, even if hidden with the truth.

Yay!

[Vormotus]

This is why people enjoy blaming perhaps the Rothschildes, bankers, globalists, media monguls. It is comforting to believe someone is behind the chaos.

I'm certainly guilty of it, probably ascribing way more influence to Rupert Murdoch and his cohorts than really due. It's just so comforting to believe 'people are voting against their own interests because Ozyank brainwashed them into hating immigrants'.

Very good insight! +1 to you sir! :)

[Jimjam]

Santa most certainly is real!

[Teppler]

Most "shaman" are just people who took a bunch of salvia and had "a visionquest" and are suddenly an authority on it. We all did salvia. We all had a bad time :D

There’s also technique to do similar things without drugs. Intense meditation with breathing exercises and lucid dreaming. There’s technique and tradition and practice that takes years and years and then there’s also randomly dicking around with drugs.

[Jimjam]

Very good insight! +1 to you sir! :)
I'm not wanting to go into the politics of it out of respect for the moderation team, but I will comment on my own psychology.

My delusions of Murdoch's reach of influence are further entrenched my the results of last night's general election in the UK. Absolutely some confirmation bias happening here in my perspectives.

[choppedandglued]

The Validity of the Supernatural is not the topic I am discussing, but you are welcome to it!

I come from a culture that does not bother with proofs or truths, certainties or reality, we all live in a constant flux of truth and tangibility.
wtf were u born as mogley from the jungle book
And yet I know what you mean though that is not what I am discussing.
then why the fuck u finna write my ass a book?
What happens today is not what will happen tomorrow, there are no certainties.
no shit bruce lee einstein
It is very hard to think what lies in front of you is real, if at all, only because tomorrow it will not exist.
is what i tell my mom so I don't have to get a job
I always liked the concept the natives from Australia give to reality, The Dreamtime.
is this motherfucker really just gonna make a new paragraph with one sentence in it and say random shit?
Latinamerica is like that.
YEP
I can understand "Magic" and "Witchcraft" is as real as <insert whatever you think its imaginary> , so I honestly just like to talk about it like ... Art?
on a completely new subject now that I spent an entire sentence covering witchcraft in latin america
Personally I love Randi and debunking people that believe these things are real, for Venezuelans these rituals are cultural and obviously it is dangerous territory when Real Medicine is left to the side for "magic", but again, that is not what I want to show here.
you really love randy huh
Love showing it to others, even if they do not believe in it, because I find it absolutely delightful how people react, outsiders and insiders.
...
Personally I only believe in the fact people believe what they see is real, which leaves me apart and detached from it.
are you on adderal?
I am not talking about people doing magical rituals with stones or trees, but about the act of self-mortification so evident in our local rites, the music, the smoke, the types of drugs, the dancing.
or more than just addy?
There is something amazing in the ritual act some of these performers, under strong hallucinogenics, do to their bodies and the energy you can feel when everybody begins to let loose under the influence of the Stage Theatrics of the whole ritual.
*due to their bodies
Imagine a Psychological Experiment on a Mass Scale. A Cultural Performing Arts, a visual debauchery of the senses.
later that month a man who sneaked into a nursing home was caught giving residents large amounts of LSD, and then proclaiming himself to be some form of wind god.
There is nothing there but what you want to pour on it, and it is also a longing.
your face is melting dude
Visually it is amazing, the sound is sublime, tribal.
i forgot wtf you where talking about
Here you can see what I mean > Venezuelan Drums https://youtu.be/Q3ZVgldwHOU
pretty colors bro

And more Venezuelan Drums! Love it! > https://youtu.be/hbtQmhnSxl4
its cool bro I like turtles

Again, Art, local Venezuela Art and Music, which can not be separated from its "magical" aspect. It is something hard to explain to others, so all I can do is show it around :D
I find theories on time and space travel more interesting
in Venezuela the line between reality and fantasy is so blurred people live in an altered reality state, which is fascinating to me as a psychologist.
shade tree time travelers

Points of validity or reason, though being important overall, are not the focus on the deep sociological aspects that surround these rituals, it is like trying to point at Mickey Mouse and insulting it , like the famous "Enemy Mine" scene :p
all hell naaw he hit me with the Mickey Mouse defense
It is like growing up knowing Santa is not real, yet enjoying Xmas for the chance to be with loved ones or as an excuse to be charitative or hang out with friends and have dinner, even if the whole mythology behind it is as fake as a 3 Dollar bill and elves do not exist and no white fat guy travels from the North Pole to bring gifts to good children.
I been saying santa was black for ages, I mean you think a white guy could break into all those houses?
I mean, everyone knows it is not real, hope the analogy conveys what I mean. :)
starting to sweat about santa bud? he's gonna getcha!
And love showing it around ... the more blood, the better, its fantastic! For me when people begin to pour hot candle wax all over their bodies and spasm is like the climax of the whole show.
oh man this just went a whole new direction... can't say im surprised.
If just one person discovers about it from this thread, my work is done, which is again, just to show some interesting local aspects of my country to others.
you are a true blessing to man kind
Reality is another topic, delusions a different reality altogether.
yah lets stick here, madness
Here let me finish with something the Amazing Randi once said:
https://i.imgur.com/ysOESOw.jpg
now hes the fucking amazing randi
So open you rmind to it, just not too much, and see it as performing arts.
wow
We do not have geishas or danish tongue singers (https://youtu.be/OBv8zbHiLls) or russian squat dancers (https://youtu.be/Q-Y7oKPdV70), we have guys cutting themselves open praying to local nature spirits while under the influence of strong drugs.
im not opposed to that, I just said it's not accepted to have any value opposed to placebo effects and culture.
And for me that is ... Sublime. :D
man you do a lot of drugs don't you
Big hug to you my friend! Remain Skeptical! Everybody is always selling something, even if hidden with the truth.
first you started out like a drunk guy at the bar trying to give advice, and totally went all Confucius at the end, not bad.
Yay!
That was like homework or something

[Wonkie]

Santa most certainly is real!

[Teppler]

How does one prove a dream?

It’s possible to look at brain waves during sleep and show someone is within dreaming brainwave activity but..... how does one prove this or that happened in a dream last night?

Some experiences are personal. You know the dream happened. You experienced it. How can you prove what happened?

[feniin]

How does one prove a dream?

It’s possible to look at brain waves during sleep and show someone is within dreaming brainwave activity but..... how does one prove this or that happened in a dream last night?

Some experiences are personal. You know the dream happened. You experienced it. How can you prove what happened?

Why are you trying to "prove" a dream happened in the first place?

[Teppler]

Why are you trying to "prove" a dream happened in the first place?

I’m getting at a point here.

There are things that happen in this world that aren’t provable, yet they happen none the less.

[Ennewi]

Insert scene from "Contact" here.

[Cecily]

I've been dabbling with magic since April. It's given me a sense of radical openness in addition to nihilistic skepticism. I can entertain any belief because I have the tools to escape that belief.

"Nothing is true. Everything is permitted."

You can get a lot done if you don't believe anything is stopping you. That's magic.

[Madbad]

"Nothing is true. Everything is permitted."

You can get a lot done if you don't believe anything is stopping you. That's magic.


True magicks

[Tethler]

Feel free to test me.

Shamanism is high voltage. It's a series of techniques that tugs on incredible forces that are behind the veil.

Consider this. I've probably done this rant somewhere here before but, string theory says that reality is made up of tons of intersecting strings that make up reality. Most are not perceivable to the human mind but they are there none the less. There's a whole world of things happening around you every moment, tugging on you, that you are unaware of. Advanced occult meditation teaches one how to deal with these forces and perhaps one day manipulate them.

Shamans main technique is the power of the trance. They utilize all sorts of techniques to induce a state where they are in a trance and they can gain information from there. They utilize repetitive singing, dance, other movements, drugs, rituals and my favorite, intense breathing exercises which I'm one of the best at. Spinal bhastrika is a great breathing/trance technique.

This is true immersion, folks. Teppler camped Seb crypt for so many hours he thinks he became a real-life shaman.

[Vormotus]

How does one prove a dream?

It’s possible to look at brain waves during sleep and show someone is within dreaming brainwave activity but..... how does one prove this or that happened in a dream last night?

Some experiences are personal. You know the dream happened. You experienced it. How can you prove what happened?

This reminded me for a bit about one ... very and highly interesting brain/mental condition:

-APHANTASIA (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aphantasia)


- BBC Article on Aphantasia (https://www.bbc.com/news/health-34039054)

It is ... quite daunting to have this condition. :eek:

[Vormotus]

Santa most certainly is real!

Ohh!
https://i.imgur.com/N6hUr.gif

[Vormotus]

"Nothing is true. Everything is permitted."

You can get a lot done if you don't believe anything is stopping you. That's magic.

Completely apart from any Magic, this mindset is personally a very powerful one!

Glad you are incorporating it in your mental/thought patterns! +1 :D

https://i.imgur.com/vRyaneX.gif

[Hazek]

Magic, whether you call it witchcraft, voodoo, sorcery, etc, and despite the different practices within those schools, is just the concept of doing anything, usually ritualistic to achieve a desired result. Although the result isn't always how you expect kinda like the cliche of wishes from a Genie (Jinnea) backfiring. And the three main components of successful magic is belief, "the energy put into it", and "help" from unseen forces.

So whether or not you're drawing pentagrams in your room with candles or tricking people into giving you money with an illusion, is the essentially the same. And the means of doing so or even how it works is less important than producing results. And it includes "calling on unseen forces" or beings like demons, spirits, elementals, pure consciousness, whatever. Where do you think EQ got its lore from like the mage pets or the Ifriti? Its an actual type of jinn.

But I strongly suggest avoiding magic entirely and to call on God instead and do real work if you want results without "negative" effects. Although you could say that even basic work is a type of magic. But you need nothing else and it will only harm you in the end, sometimes severely.

This guy explains it well: Richard Smoley: Magic and the Occult (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bh8ahm7BSzU)

And here's some examples of what Jinn sound like, although they vary in type and demeanor. Some of them like to lie alot and mess with us but they have different motives. And multiple of them can reside in people. The new age channelers are using the same phenomena but have no idea what they're letting possess them:

"SON OF IBLEES" - 100,000 YEAR OLD JINN True or False (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uD_zhrggvMM)

Abu Ruqya - JAY Z satanic jinn (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBEKuZ_jWkA)

[feniin]

Magic isn't real.

[Hazek]

Magic isn't real.

Yeah neither are thoughts

[Teppler]

LOL I’m getting personal attacks in this topic too. For what?

All I did was point out that not everything that exists in this world is provable. That’s a fact. If so, prove to me what happened in your dream last night.

If we accept that not everything is provable, how does one prove that magic isn’t real? You can’t :)

[Kaveh]

Yes teppler, no one likes you or the Muslim guy posting about Jinn. The Quran and mean kampf are both used as toilet paper in the Kaveh household

[Hazek]

Yes teppler, no one likes you or the Muslim guy posting about Jinn. The Quran and mean kampf are both used as toilet paper in the Kaveh household

Only a roided up little dick idiot would use books instead of toilet paper.

[Kaveh]

The only force above that answers Muslims is the United States Air Force

hope this helps. Missiles called hellfire. Aptly named :)

[Teppler]

Yes teppler, no one likes you or the Muslim guy posting about Jinn. The Quran and mean kampf are both used as toilet paper in the Kaveh household

Yeah well too bad because I’m the most knowledgeable person in this subject while you are wasting your time freaking about about Hitler and ghetto Muslims.

Does it get anymore normie than that? “Hitler and Muslims OMG!”. The real problems facing society today. With a combined net worth of 5 about dollars.

Kavehs viewpoint sponsored by billionaire bankers.

[Hazek]

When Brad was designing Everquest trolls he took inspiration from Kaveh except gave them more intelligence.

[feniin]

Yeah well too bad because I’m the most knowledgeable person in this subject while you are wasting your time freaking about about Hitler and ghetto Muslims.

Does it get anymore normie than that? “Hitler and Muslims OMG!”. The real problems facing society today. With a combined net worth of 5 about dollars.

Kavehs viewpoint sponsored by billionaire bankers.

Do you sit around in chainmail, holding a mop handle with a bit of tinfoil and a feather on the end, and a trashcan lid as a shield, roleplaying as your shaman?

[Horza]

Yeah well too bad because I’m the most knowledgeable person in this subject while you are wasting your time freaking about about Hitler and ghetto Muslims.

Does it get anymore normie than that? “Hitler and Muslims OMG!”. The real problems facing society today. With a combined net worth of 5 about dollars.

Kavehs viewpoint sponsored by billionaire bankers.

The moderators here have already told you a number of times that this forum is not an appropriate place for your antisemitic rants.

[Teppler]

The moderators here have already told you a number of times that this forum is not an appropriate place for your antisemitic rants.

I’ve never seen anyone on these forums use the word “antisemitic” besides feniin and yourself so no. I have, however, seen you both warned and banned multiple times for calling people Hitler/Nazi.

[Horza]

There are plenty of other places where you are allowed to discuss Hitler's contributions to the cause.

[feniin]

I’ve never seen anyone on these forums use the word “antisemitic” besides feniin and yourself so no. I have, however, seen you both warned and banned multiple times for calling people Hitler/Nazi.

Can you post a link to your blog/podcast and stop playing victim?

[solleks]

Im glad that its assumed that when u talk about bankers youre anti semitic. It's really a time of enlightenment

[Horza]

Kavehs viewpoint sponsored by billionaire bankers.

https://i.imgur.com/07NnIxy.jpg

[Jimjam]

Of course this bull shit spreads out into other threads once the sump gets blocked.

It was naiive to think cutting red would disappear toxic behaviour.

Friendship is magic.

[solleks]

This is a witchcraft thread. No laws have been broken

[Wonkie]

This is a witchcraft thread. No laws have been broken

People openly admitting to witchcraftery..

Are we in Tribulation?? :p

[Vormotus]

And the means of doing so or even how it works is less important than producing results.

Ahhh love this particular phrase, so good! Perfect! ;)

Reminds me when the Amazing Randi was called to his face an actual Magician by the sheer power of his will ...

It illustrates the point of people doing stuff, like con artists.

This is highly interesting, specially due to people that use skills like persuasiveness or people able to command others to do things highly opposed to what in a normal situation they would do.

Love all the replies, so much good stuff, ideas, topics! This has been a very interesting thread for me to read during my brief play time and leisure time.

Big hug to everybody! Love all of you!

[Jimjam]

What do you think of Derren Brown?

[Vormotus]

What do you think of Derren Brown?

Absolutely nothing as I was not aware of him but will begin looking into his works, sounds fun!

I have learned so much with this thread!

Alongside this Derren Brown persona I also found out about Richard Smoley, which adds to the mix very well!

In my field of work the more you know about these topics the better, as I can help others more.

For me it has always been about showing off some of my cultural heritage, deeply rooted in belief and the natural skepticism that is born from being curious about the things that make anything "magical" work.

It goes beyond the validity or lack of it , it is more about human nature :)

And that that in itself is so deeply powerful!