Help a Cleric out?

[BlackBellamy]

Playing a Cleric on Green launch. Have played Shaman for years on live, so I have some healing and buffing experience, and I just got a Cleric to 30 on beta, so I got the basics and figured out the spell lines and stuff and which buttons to push.

My question for the tanks here, specifically the mains:

How do I keep my tank relationship nice and smooth and full of love? I know I heard it from the clerics and there are guides and whatever. But I wanted to hear it from the tanks, like what are your pain points with Clerics and what do you really appreciate?

Like what's yous guys take on a good guy Cleric?

[Videri]

Once you get Complete Heal, it's sometimes nice to let the tank know at what percentage you intend to CH them. If they're taking damage quickly, you might start CH at 50 or 60%. If they're super tough and the mob isn't hitting them hard, you could CH them at 40%, or even lower if you're pushing for maximum mana efficiency.

[Madbad]

One that's only half paying attention to Netflix.

I'm not a tank

[Baler]

Don't argue with the tank. Thanks enrage and will dip out. There goes the group.
Just keep people alive

But this is really more of a social question. Feel out the group. If they like banter, chat them up. If they're all introverts just shut up.

[Danth]

True story, I once had a Cleric blame me for dying after dying (without heals) when he had EQ minimized, watching netflix. Somehow he did not see the problem with that.

Not much to it as a Cleric. If you get aggro, stand your ground (invulnerable spell if needed) and don't run around like a chicken because that makes it harder on us to peel stuff off you. Maybe talk to the tank, see how much life he has so as to time complete heals for best mana efficiency. Realistically most clerics simply CH at about half regardless of how much life the tank has. Keep us posted on your mana, although in practice the puller is 50/50 likely to ignore such reports anyway.

Danth

[Videri]

Don't just be like "30m." "20m." You are allowed to say "30m, space out pulls" or "10m, please hold pulls."

[Baler]

Don't just be like "30m." "20m." You are allowed to say "30m, space out pulls" or "10m, please hold pulls."

This is actually really good advice. Communicate your mana situation with the group. So they don't do some dumb move like pulling 5 mobs while ur at 20m

[Videri]

This is actually really good advice.

yesssssssss I got the Baler bump

[elwing]

Definitely, has a tank, I assume that a silent cleric is ready to heal for a mob...

[Albanwr]

Macro your heals, so people know they are coming!

[Jimjam]

If there is a lull between pulls, and you've said you're low mana let the melee bandage themselves if thats what they want to do.

Very frustrating at higher levels when a cleric is not paying attention to bandaging as a few classes can bandage to 70%, greatly reducing downtime when cleric is lom.

[Kendir]

Don't heal the rogue/wizard/whatever else that continues to peel off of me. Let them contemplate their decisions while on a corpse run or while they are sitting there sick once you can rez.

[Invalid_Bard]

Learn to communicate, and be serious about what you're saying. If the dps doesn't listen, replace them and pass that name on. Use macros to announce mana frequently, talk to your tank and dps. Get in tells with your puller and make sure they know your comfort level for pull frequency, sizes and so forth. Nothing is worse than a Cleric who blames the group for a wipe when they aren't saying shit at all.

[wagorf]

I main a 60 war. The only thing I dislike, is when cleric gets constantly lom for healing others. I understand someone else is going to get hit, but when the clr needs to heal the chanter or rogue EVERY fight, something isn't right.

Also, please dont root, stun, or anything that can get you aggroed, unless you are asked to perform those tasks.

And by the way if you see me activate evasive/defensive, you can CH me when Im really low :)

[Dogma]

Don't macro your heals... Group spam is annoying and leads to distraction and missed communication. Maybe macro your CH but that's it.

Make sure the group knows that you're healing the tank first and foremost. If you're spending more mana healing dps than the tank then you need to start letting dps die.

Also watch out for tanks who run around from mob to mob trying to hold aggro on everything at once. Help them understand that tanking one mob is more efficient and leave adds either to a dedicated CC or to anyone who can root.

[Freakish]

I main a 60 war. The only thing I dislike, is when cleric gets constantly lom for healing others. I understand someone else is going to get hit, but when the clr needs to heal the chanter or rogue EVERY fight, something isn't right.

Also, please dont root, stun, or anything that can get you aggroed, unless you are asked to perform those tasks.

And by the way if you see me activate evasive/defensive, you can CH me when Im really low :)

Meh, stunning a krup wizard (I know not classic) ice comet can save that cleric a lot of mana. That takes a lot of situational awareness to see those sparkles and know what's coming.

[Jimjam]

I agree with people saying you need to be upfront about what you communicate.

I've been in groups where cleric declares "0m need to med". So everyone binds up to 70%, maybe spams invigorate to get even higher, 5 minutes pass which is circa 1000 mana from med. Pulls resume before spawns lose their stagger. Then no heals come. Perhaps someone dies, not a huge deal.

Cleric gets back and is pissed, "I said 0 mana! Now i have to rebuff". Turns out, "Out of mana, going afk for a med break. Hold pulls till I return." is what he meant to say.

[BlackBellamy]

Holy shit so much helpful advice!

Good tip about bandaging, wasn't thinking of that at all. And the more verbose mana communication is a good point. I know about letting people die, I have no problem if it doesn't result in group wipe to let some dps know they're being a cavalier with my mana.

Question about Berserker Frenzy. In a regular levelling group is that a thing to keep the Warrior below 45% so they get crippling blows? Or is that too risky? I don't mean raids or when fighting a hard hitter.

[Jimjam]

I just remembered something... If you say 'low on mana' some pullers will construe that as, 'so you're saying you you've got some mana'.

If you think the group is unlikely to handle a pull you need to be super clear on that.

[Gustoo]

It was so easy when people payed attention to the game and chat boxes.

As a cleric I'm a gabby gabby to keep people from dying.

[Dogma]

Berserker frenzy isn't necessary. Especially for the tank.

It's mostly just for fun. If the warrior is only in a dps role and can manage it on his own, fine. I wouldn't babysit his healthbar though.

[|tda| fatal]

Don't heal the rogue/wizard/whatever else that continues to peel off of me. Let them contemplate their decisions while on a corpse run or while they are sitting there sick once you can rez.

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