Sol Ro focus effects exactly the same as Staff of Elemental: x

[yaaaflow]

Updated OP with more specific info


After chatting with Xzerion about this issue he asked me to make a post about it with the data I have collected.

Currently the focus effects on the Sol Ro focus items are exactly the same as the focus effect on my Staff of Elemental Mastery: Earth/Fire/Water.

For my testing I have used the level 49 water pet spell because from what I can see it shows the largest difference between unfocused and focused.

Unfocused:

I summon pets between level 39-43. They proc for a maximum of their level +1, so I can summon pets which proc between 40 and 44. They hit for a maximum of 56 and all dual wield without holding weapons.

Summoning pets with the Stein of Ulissa:

I summon pets between level 40-44. They proc for a maximum of their level + 1 each - a level 40 pet procs for 41, 41 procs for 42 - except for the level 44 pet, which procs for a maximum of 108. They all hit for a maximum of 61 and all dual wield without holding weapons.

Summoning pets with the Staff of Elemental Mastery: Water:

I summon pets between level 40-44. They proc for a maximum of their level + 1 each - a level 40 pet procs for 41, 41 procs for 42 - except for the level 44 pet, which procs for a maximum of 108. They all hit for a maximum of 61 and all dual wield without holding weapons.

I am in the process of doing DPS testing between pets summoned with Sol Ro Focus, Raid Focus, and unfocused, but I'm not satisfied enough with my sample size to put full confidence in these numbers:

Sol Ro focus: After 47 fights using the Sol Ro focus item to summon a level 44 water pet proccing for 108 (using the 49 spell ofc) fighting mobs in Plane of Hate ranging from level 48-51: 33.7dps excluding procs.

Staff of Elemental Mastery: Water: After 62 fights using the water staff to summon a level 44 water pet proccing for 108 (49 spell) fighting mobs in the plane of hate ranging from level 48-51: 31.4dps excluding procs.

The differences in DPS here are incredibly minute and I would chalk them up to variance and/or the sol ro pet happening to attack from behind more often across that sample.

The best classic info as far as I know
http://www.xalmat.com/eqsummoners.com-old/eq1/pets-library.html#petexp
The specific pages for each type of pet have tables of their basic stats at different levels and at level 49 with the different focus items.

[yaaaflow]

http://www.eqmages.com/index2.php?page=lowfocus

This page lists the Sol Ro focus items as only working on pets between levels 4-44.

[Atennu]

I was told that the raid focus items boost your pet 2 levels. [Confirm] [Deny]

[drplump]

http://www.eqmages.com/index2.php?page=lowfocus

This page lists the Sol Ro focus items as only working on pets between levels 4-44.

The links to the lucydb on that site say level 49. I think one is talking about pet level and the other is talking about spell level.

http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spell.html?id=4398

[drplump]

http://magecompendium.com/pets-focus-items-library.html

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=66&page=1&howmany=50#m9819188149548

[yaaaflow]

http://magecompendium.com/pets-focus-items-library.html

This site lists the Sol Ro focus items as working on up to level 49 pet spells, but it lists different effects for the Sol Ro quests vs the raid loots as follows:



Torch of Alna (Minion of Fire)
Effect: Increases the Fire pet's overall characteristics to match an unfocused Air, including HP.

Shovel of Ponz (Minion of Earth)
Effect: Increases the Earth pet's overall characteristics. However it does not increase HP.

Broom of Trilon (Minion of Air)
Effect: Increases the Air pet's overall characteristics to match an unfocused Water, including HP.

Stein of Ulissa (Minion of Water)
Effect: Increases the Water pet's overall characteristics to match an unfocused Earth, including HP.

There are 4 Major focus items: Focus level 49 to 60 pets.
They all increase their corresponding pet's level by 1 and increases the pet's HP, and increases the melee attack by 2.




The effects on both sol ro focus items and raid staffs seem to be a combo of the two at this time.

[Jify]

I know raid focus items work lvls 49 - 60, Sol ro only lvls 4-49.

That is all I know for sure. 8(

[Somekid123]

The raid staff's are not suppose to be better then the Sol Ro, the only advantage to having them now is because they're used in Mage Epic.

[yaaaflow]

So the drop I got off of Innoruuk is supposed to be completely useless for me until Kunark comes out? Keep in mind that the staffs of elemental mastery were in the game well before Kunark. On top of that, the information found on the internet is contrary to what you are saying. Do you have any sources to backup the focus effects being the same at this point im time?

edit: not to mention the Staff of Elemental Mastery: Fire which is not used as part of the mage epic quest, and is therefore entirely useless until kunark provided sol ro focus items are supposed to be equal to raid focus items.

[yaaaflow]

http://web.archive.org/web/20010414015720/www.magecompendium.com/Focus_Items/Focus_Items.htm

This page references the Staffs of Elemental Mastery being more powerful than their Sol ro quest equivalents, but does not give any specifics.

[drplump]

I am guessing it became like manastones were if a mage didn't have a focus item they were seen as sub par. Sol-Ro was added later so there was a period in time were the staffs were the only thing in the game. It does seem stupid but I bet they had a lot of upset mages to appease.

[yaaaflow]

Again, the only site which is somewhat specific to how the focus effects work shows a clear difference between the sol ro items and the raid focus items.

[drplump]

If there is a difference it is that the Sol ro focus items only increase stats/hp of each pet to the stats/hp of the pet above them with no extra increases to damage and no hp increase for earth pet. The raid focus items increase ALL pets hp add +1 level to pet and add +2 attack(unsure what that means)

I am basing this from: http://www.magecompendium.com/pets-focus-items-library.html

[yaaaflow]

That is about what I got from it too, though I assume the +2 attack would be +2 max damage, rather than the +5 that both focus items are doing at the moment.

[drplump]

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=526&page=1&howmany=50#m101522243643577

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=526&page=1&howmany=50#m98802407921501

[drplump]

I have been searching here but perhaps we can just make a post asking.

http://forums.station.sony.com/eq/forums/show.m?forum_id=168

[yaaaflow]

Yeah if you look through all those allakhazam threads you will find dozens of people claiming the staff focus effects only work on 50+, usually immediately followed by someone correcting them. I think the fact that the items were all released pre-kunark is evidence enough that they work on the level 49 pet spells.

[drplump]

Fuck not letting me post :(

[Belakor]

I thought that Sol Ro focus items = +1 level , Staves are +2 and Sol Ro focus items work up until PET LEVEL 44, which means it buffs the magician level 49 SPELL.

Staves buff all pets after level 44 and sol ro focus items do not... (basically doesnt matter until Kunark)

This is how it was on live as i had the staff off innoruuk and remember the mechanics quite well.

[yaaaflow]

^This makes a lot of sense to me. Do you remember any old mage sites where stuff like that may be discussed?

[Jify]

Raid staffs also did not increase pet size... Sol ro focus did. Or so my memory tells me...

[yaaaflow]

Bump for the hope that my Innoruuk loot isn't useless until Kunark.

[Atern]

I don't think it's necessarily useless. It just means you don't have to get the sol ro focus items.

[yaaaflow]

The sol ro focus items at the moment are better than the god drops.

[Falisaty]

i could have swore the focus item on live caused you to summon the highest lvl pet available ( took out the random pet lvl when summoned ) also boosted the stats to that of the next highest pet fire being the weakest to earth being the strongest. Also when you use a focus item and you do happen to summon the highest lvl pet i know that the earth pet will do a 54 point DD when casting its root spell. not sure for the fire or air water does the 108 point dd. hope this helps

[drplump]

i could have swore the focus item on live caused you to summon the highest lvl pet available ( took out the random pet lvl when summoned ) also boosted the stats to that of the next highest pet fire being the weakest to earth being the strongest. Also when you use a focus item and you do happen to summon the highest lvl pet i know that the earth pet will do a 54 point DD when casting its root spell. not sure for the fire or air water does the 108 point dd. hope this helps

This would explain why only highest possible level pets are doing full damage procs.

[yaaaflow]

Bump

[yaaaflow]

Bump for hopefully a developer comment.

[yaaaflow]

This site: http://www.xalmat.com/eqsummoners.com-old/eq1/pets-library.html

Has some very extensive information on all the different pets and shows the difference in level/hp/damage for pets summoned with sol ro focus items and with the Staff of Elemental Masterys. Unfortunately it seems to be from a time after they removed the pet level variance, since for example focused 49 pets range from lvl 40-44 here, but it lists them at 42 on that site. Nonetheless, it does highlight the difference in effect between the types of focus items and does so with specific numbers.