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Abacab "The REAL truth"
04-17-2011, 04:51 AM
Personally?

Barbarian Rogue... I gotta keep it hard over in blackburrow, so later on I can

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Abacab "The REAL truth"
04-17-2011, 04:56 AM
Just in case you were wondering, Ranger is not an option because no one will play that abysmal class in classic and if they do they're sucking the top guilds dick for sky bow

Foxx
04-17-2011, 10:31 AM
sniperfire will be a ranger

dont get mad bru, play a class u like not the op

big showtime goin back to my roots as a cleric, i will buff everyone on the server and rezz u all, lets all hold hands

notahipster
04-17-2011, 10:47 AM
umm bard isnt on the list,

Aerist
04-17-2011, 10:55 AM
I was going to go Cleric, but for me Paladin may be a more viable option if they actually get AC to work.

Shody

Heywood
04-17-2011, 11:00 AM
Im torn, ive always liked druids... but I like clerics espcially in PVP.


but if we can only 1 box... I'll probably stick with druid.

redghosthunter
04-17-2011, 12:01 PM
Play a pet class so we can RAID sky. Then make what ya want later.

I'd play a ENC, but the same nurfs will prob be in place on R99 as in B99. So if i played I'd go NEC. NECs have it all, and I'd be solo, lvling in some off far away zone.

redghosthunter
04-17-2011, 12:04 PM
Im torn, ive always liked druids... but I like clerics espcially in PVP.


but if we can only 1 box... I'll probably stick with druid.

NECs who know about Pet Nukes, will own any CLR. Ya got 1 Nuke- Magic. And our 3 type- DOTs will land.

pasi
04-17-2011, 12:21 PM
Assuming this is using the P99 code - shaman or necro probably. Shaman are going to be beastly without everyone having a potion bot.

Druids should be very viable.

Mage pets shouldn't be out of control like on VZTZ. On VZTZ, you could get like level 46(7) pets as a 50 mage. The necro spell Emissary of Thule was a level 47 pet to put that into perspective. On P99, pets are 40(1), I think. Plus, bolts being dodgeable.

Charm doesn't stick until really high levels of charisma. Enchanters will have to give up a lot of resists to make charm viable.

Melee are going to tickle in classic. Mith 2handers shouldn't hit for more than 60 at level 50. Monk fist ratios will be correct.

SKs/Paladins will have classic mana-pools and will just all-around suck to level.

Pudge
04-18-2011, 12:17 AM
farm bot necro in the lead

Prince
04-18-2011, 12:26 AM
clicked by accident meant 2 hit ench

Prince
04-18-2011, 12:26 AM
help gm

wehrmacht
04-18-2011, 12:29 AM
Mith 2handers shouldn't hit for more than 60 at level 50. Monk fist ratios will be correct.

Sorry but no, if this isn't some bullshit caster's paradise server and melee do normal damage, it will look like the following.

(255str / 200 2hs) / 100 = 95.55 + 2h damage bonus

= somewhere around 110-120 max hit with 255str

wehrmacht
04-18-2011, 12:32 AM
Monk max hit is something like 72-74 with 255str but monks can't get their str that high.

pasi
04-18-2011, 01:15 AM
Damage = DMod*Damage+DB
DB = (50-25)/3 = 8
DMod = (WS+STR-75)/100

So at 175 str, max hit w/ Mith 2h = 3*21+8 = 71
200 Str = 3.25*21+8 = 76
225 = 3.5*21+8 = 81
250 = 86

Granted none of this matters if you are rooted. There's no counter to being rooted.

wehrmacht
04-18-2011, 01:57 AM
DMod = (WS+STR-75)/100


Where in the world did you get this formula from? I've never seen anyone try to claim the max hit formula had a -75 in it anywhere. During Kunark on EQ live with a 14/28 weapon in the offhand of my troll warrior with 255str, I remember being able to hit for 70 with it. Using your formula, he only would have been able to hit for 60.2

Are you sure this formula you posted hasn't been extrapolated from a caster or hybrid or something.

pasi
04-18-2011, 02:05 AM
The project 1999 game mechanics section of the wiki. Thats the default algorithm from the EQ source code.

wehrmacht
04-18-2011, 02:22 AM
The project 1999 game mechanics section of the wiki. Thats the default algorithm from the EQ source code.

The formula might have been different for EQ Classic and Kunark.

I just remember doing sebillis for months in kunark as a troll warrior with 255str using a 9/18 mainhand and 14/28 offhand. Using your formula, my mainhand would have been 49.7 max hit and offhand would be 60.2 max hit.

Even though the 14 damage weapon was in the offhand, it would get substantially higher hits than the 9dmg mainhand weapon. It definitely didn't cap at 60. I remember being able to hit for 70 or so with it. I'm 99% sure the formula you posted is wrong, at least for Kunark era.

My formula of 70.7 offhand sounds much more accurate. I actually think it maxed out at 72.

Prince
04-18-2011, 02:30 AM
grats no one cares

fiegi
04-18-2011, 02:40 AM
wehrmacht needs a new hobby

100% sure

Maurk
04-18-2011, 02:46 AM
Paladin for sure

wehrmacht
04-18-2011, 03:47 AM
I'm positive your formula is wrong because I used a Tantor's Tusk (50/60 2h) in test of tactics on EQ live when Velious was highest expansion. It hit for over 300 per swing, 100% sure. Abacab told me the dmg bonus on that is 49 at level 60. With my formula it comes out to the following:

(255str + 250 piercing)/100 + 49DmgBonus = 302.5 max hit

With your formula it wouldn't break 300.
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I also dug this up off the internet so you can probably figure out what the correct dmg formula is off that:

"59 monk during Kunark with Imbued Fighter Staff, 255 str, max 2hb skill, epic atk buff, max hit 221"

http://common.allakhazam.com/images/f/7/f79c4d83a431de3f63a4e13a10cc08fa.png

Using the formula I posted, the damage with that would be (255str + 252twohandblunt)/100 = 192.66 + dmg bonus = 221

So it would require a damage bonus of 28.34 on a level 59 with 40delay weapon for mine to be correct. I'm not sure if mine is 100% correct, but it looks way closer than yours does.

With your formula it comes out to 164.16 + dmg bonus = 221.

Macken
04-18-2011, 04:08 AM
Sorry but no, if this isn't some bullshit caster's paradise server and melee do normal damage, it will look like the following.

(255str / 200 2hs) / 100 = 95.55 + 2h damage bonus

= somewhere around 110-120 max hit with 255str

Not 1999 Classic

wehrmacht
04-18-2011, 04:47 AM
Not 1999 Classic

Yea, I remembered that after I posted. Just use an 8 for that number instead and you get 95.55 + damage bonus of 8 = 103.55 max hit with Mithril 2hander which is still WAY higher than what he posted.

I hope the formula he posted isn't what's actually being used on the server. Even if there was a different formula for max hit used during classic and kunark, the P1999 blue server already is in kunark so it shouldn't be using what he posted.

Knuckle
04-18-2011, 10:11 AM
Going Monk or Shadowknight, 100% sure.

Lasher
04-18-2011, 11:53 AM
druid,cleric, or ench

Arclyte
04-18-2011, 12:43 PM
lol, are rangers that bad?

Knuckle
04-18-2011, 12:52 PM
i played a ranger in classic and did fine. of course I was boxxing a wizard with him, but alot of solo PVP was viable in south ro, mistmoore, and innothule among other zones. I also stacked fire resistance like no tomorrow, i could kill almost any mage except whorella with those fucking stun whip earth pets.

naez
04-18-2011, 12:53 PM
rangers are pretty good overall and just get better with every xpac

redghosthunter
04-18-2011, 01:19 PM
I will say the RNG epic is not hard to get. If this info helps push u to what it sounds like u really wanta play.

Knuckle
04-18-2011, 01:51 PM
ranger should be added as a choice imo. if any class is gimp in classic its gonna be rogues pre vox spear.

Lasher
04-18-2011, 02:09 PM
For single boxing rangers wont be as bad since there is going to be less people running around with sow and buffs as compared to how it was on vztz, at least thats my opinion

Walk It Out
04-18-2011, 02:55 PM
Shaman big shawty inc

Knuckle
04-18-2011, 03:50 PM
Jboots camp is gonna be crazy ridiculous with one boxxing on a pvp server =D

Arclyte
04-18-2011, 08:10 PM
Never played on an EQ pvp server or a ranger, so I'll probably roll ranger and get pooped on for a little while

Frytard
04-18-2011, 08:45 PM
Rogues were pretty bad in prekunark for the most part, most of who attempted to kill casters died from damage shield and only 1 or 2 nukes or the pet alone, as for rangers, all they did was hug zone lines vs casters, hit you a few times and zoned when you started casting a spell ( the smarter ones anyway ) and the bad ones just died... So if your idea of pvp is zoning/dying ninety nine percent of the time and killing for the rest, then go ahead and choose a ranger.

Frytard
04-18-2011, 08:46 PM
However my pvp experience was only in vztz so I'm talking from a small sample :)

Prince
04-18-2011, 11:23 PM
shit on lots of ppl as ranger pre kunark tbh

Terpuntine
04-18-2011, 11:27 PM
Jboots camp is gonna be crazy ridiculous with one boxxing on a pvp server =D

Im so super excited

Misto
04-18-2011, 11:36 PM
CAMPING PIXELS GIVES ME SUPER HUGE MAN BONER

naez
04-18-2011, 11:38 PM
ranger pre-kunark can be dangerous especially w/o call of sky. I recommend dual-wielding yaks and saving mana for heals and chain dispells since no1 has any clickies. most people won't even want to fight after you dispell 3-4 times, so make sure you bring them to middle before they beeline to the zoneline. kite melees like druid

Haul
04-18-2011, 11:54 PM
wehrmacht needs a new hobby

100% sure

hahaha

notahipster
04-20-2011, 09:37 AM
did that orcish creature just slam dunk on jesus ?

jbs89
04-20-2011, 11:44 PM
Shadowknight Ogre; he will forever reign terror

Castle
04-21-2011, 05:54 AM
Shaman/enchanter if I can find a guild - Knuckle who you roll with these days?

gnm wiz or hfl dru if solo...

Gnar
04-21-2011, 11:06 PM
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Lol Oderus dunks on jesus

Darksinga
04-22-2011, 04:56 PM
bard 100%.

doing donuts around people with selos

Rexxin
04-22-2011, 07:11 PM
Monk or Pally, hows people been? hope this thing gets rolling sounds like so much fun.....

Envious
04-22-2011, 07:47 PM
Can bards twist on p99?

naez
04-22-2011, 08:03 PM
uhyuh u mean melody??

Nytch
11-05-2011, 07:49 PM
No Melody. You actually have to play your bard.

Greenkrak
11-05-2011, 08:05 PM
Using a piece of shit Shiny Brass Halberd at lvl 50 with a pathetic str (around 100) i could hit got just under 70.

As of right now with everyone being 50 and havin pretty sick gear - melee are smashin fuckin face on casters.

Pally/sk/war are can easily hit for 100

Combobreaker
11-05-2011, 08:34 PM
Monk/War/Sk

whatevers needed

Nune
11-06-2011, 12:20 AM
Bard, i bought a conductors hat just for launch :cool: