Rogean vs Lite

[Tune]

Hit it bros

[DRAGONBAIT]

would pay

[White_knight]

Well..Rogean can give is what we want...a new server.

So Lite who?

[Rogean]

https://i.imgur.com/jkpFsBt.png

[Madbad]

Well..Rogean can give is what we want...a new server.

So Lite who?

I mean right?

[coolget]

deletion of the thread was effectively rogaine throwing in the towel

[Mingo]

Other than ourselves who are we kidding? The likelihood that Project 1999 was going to dedicate time in development, and likely more importantly to management, of a PVP enabled server has always been nearly zero. It's conceptually a viable idea but unless the management team were themselves an avid fan of EQ PVP it would never succeed.

Rogean was never a Red player or a PVPer. Sirken was never a PVPer, he was a 4th tier halfwit bluebie on Vallon Zek. They're not the correct project managers for an EQ PVP server.

--Renly was never a PVPer.

--Devnoob and Co were never PVPers.

If we're to ever have a viable, successful, arc for a PVP server it's going to have to come from the rare spawn that is a well-balanced PVP fanatic.

Spoiler Alert: Don't hold your breath.

[aaezil]

Other than ourselves who are we kidding? The likelihood that Project 1999 was going to dedicate time in development, and likely more importantly to management, of a PVP enabled server has always been nearly zero. It's conceptually a viable idea but unless the management team were themselves an avid fan of EQ PVP it would never succeed.

Rogean was never a Red player or a PVPer. Sirken was never a PVPer, he was a 4th tier halfwit bluebie on Vallon Zek. They're not the correct project managers for an EQ PVP server.

--Renly was never a PVPer.

--Devnoob and Co were never PVPers.

If we're to ever have a viable, successful, arc for a PVP server it's going to have to come from the rare spawn that is a well-balanced PVP fanatic.

Spoiler Alert: Don't hold your breath.

Seek help

[Raclen]

These forums have had real life attacks and the worst insults imaginable to try to cut people as deep as possible and the threads stay up no problem. Someone questions Rogean's motivation to make a pvp server after 7 years of neglecting it and the thread is erased.

[Wonkie]

These forums have had real life attacks and the worst insults imaginable to try to cut people as deep as possible and the threads stay up no problem. Someone questions Rogean's motivation to make a pvp server after 7 years of neglecting it and the thread is erased.

This is his website and his forum. Get lost, orc.

[El Prez]

Other than ourselves who are we kidding? The likelihood that Project 1999 was going to dedicate time in development, and likely more importantly to management, of a PVP enabled server has always been nearly zero. It's conceptually a viable idea but unless the management team were themselves an avid fan of EQ PVP it would never succeed.

Rogean was never a Red player or a PVPer. Sirken was never a PVPer, he was a 4th tier halfwit bluebie on Vallon Zek. They're not the correct project managers for an EQ PVP server.

--Renly was never a PVPer.

--Devnoob and Co were never PVPers.

If we're to ever have a viable, successful, arc for a PVP server it's going to have to come from the rare spawn that is a well-balanced PVP fanatic.

Spoiler Alert: Don't hold your breath.



We are playing on servers that are intended to never go past a certain era and players with an absolute willingness to play for years longer than the server's timeline.

No one is ever more excited about pvp than when they hear about a new server and the opportunity to fight for Guk again. Only real sick fucks who have lost touch with reality will remain on Red and give a shit about not having an opportunity to BIS out their 10th
whatever character because of a limited timeline.

Red99 is a fine server, has the best classic code, and I can't wait to play on the next box. The biggest and honestly, the only significant problem this server had, is guilds with three times the necessary kill force sitting at spawns at the 1-week mark, preventing PVP.

I believe nerds will be more interested in having fun than zerging to get BIS in every slot when they know that won't even be achievable before the next expansion drops since the expansions are coded and ready for release in classic timelines. More importantly, because they know the server will reset after a certain amount of time.

Hope the staff does some Q&A before implementing PVP inducing ideas.

[Nirgon]

This is his website and his forum. Get lost, orc.

deletion of the thread was effectively rogaine throwing in the towel

Yeahlight broke like spun sugar as eqclassic head over us ripping him about re-envisioned or otherwise nonclassic content

Getting Rogean to turn off the boxes has proved to be an impossible task for many who have tried

and I'm not talking about any of the casual efforts made

[Rang]

Who was that guy who only made forum posts in like really cringe hip hop raps and I wonder what rehab / prison he is in now that prevents him from continuing his shit posts

[Tassador]

It’s Rogean every time. Thread is dumb.

[Raclen]

This is his website and his forum. Get lost, orc.

The argument wasn't about whether or not he owned the hamster wheel keeping Red99 turned on. It was about him being a sensitive man baby.

[Fame]

Who was that guy who only made forum posts in like really cringe hip hop raps and I wonder what rehab / prison he is in now that prevents him from continuing his shit posts

He has ascended to a higher plane for now.

https://fox40.com/2015/03/23/woman-hospitalized-after-brutal-medieval-mace-attack/

No one will ever know the dedication in this poor elfs heart.

[Nirgon]

#BoxLegacy

[DRAGONBAIT]

Red was just a troll to get the problematic players off blue

i hope it wont work again friends


coming from what it seems to be a very respectfull and non toxic blue player

[Baler]

I really want to post in this thread..
so here I am.. Consider RED staff

[RenlyB]

--Renly was never a PVPer.

If we're to ever have a viable, successful, arc for a PVP server it's going to have to come from the rare spawn that is a well-balanced PVP fanatic.

Spoiler Alert: Don't hold your breath.

All of my staff played on red, myself included. I played on TZ back in 2004, albeit not very much. I literally won't touch a game unless it has PVP. UO, WoW, etc. Anyone (bergs excluded) who played on RoZ seem to think we got the formula right. I think you want some elf lawyer to compel the community to play the way you remember, but those days are gone. It's an evolving game strategy-wise even today.

[SteppinnRazor]

The allure to a new p99 pvp box is stability, even though they have dumb shit like LNS, 1 hotbar, no bufftimers etc. The brand brings the pop.

I had a blast on RoZ but the gms change the rules based on who cries the loudest, and its glitchy.

[Gustoo]

Ahh buff timers were a big RIP as a cleric rolling around heavy duty with full buffs means I gotta stay extra vigilant and smart now.

Love the classic. Its more classic.

All the dumb numerical data that made no sense from a roleplaying perspective makes sense.

In real life its really hard to target 1 mob in a huge pile of zerging gnolls

Is /assist classic?

[paegan3]

The allure to a new p99 pvp box is stability, even though they have dumb shit like LNS, 1 hotbar, no bufftimers etc. The brand brings the pop.

I had a blast on RoZ but the gms change the rules based on who cries the loudest, and its glitchy.

[Baler]

the allure is a server that wasn't based on exploits, bugs and non-classic code.

Welcome to project 1999

[iamnotsalem]

RoZ sucked ass compared to the way red99 felt but red99 has obviously been dead for years so it was decently enjoyable for a few weeks.

I dunno why renly and jeremy think the formula was "right". Population peaks were never the same as red99 and player retention was low with every expansion. But I guess you had more people playing it then red99 after the 3rd year of velious, sooo ya theres that. Lol.

[Gustoo]

Goog times dudez

[Raclen]

RoZ sucked ass compared to the way red99 felt but red99 has obviously been dead for years so it was decently enjoyable for a few weeks.

I dunno why renly and jeremy think the formula was "right". Population peaks were never the same as red99 and player retention was low with every expansion. But I guess you had more people playing it then red99 after the 3rd year of velious, sooo ya theres that. Lol.

Red99 was successful because it piggy backed off of the credibility of blue99. Everyone knew it would be the best coded pvp server as far as pve goes. Renly and them started with nothing so of course they didn't have the hype. If you look at the server now it is in really good shape code wise. I am surprised they had the population they did for so long while coding was bad. People enjoyed having better pvp rules so much more than having good coding that RoZ had more players than red99.

It provided much better guild vs guild pvp then Red99 ever had. For a while there were 20-30 real people in both top guilds fighting for hours over targets every week for several months. Red99 produced a handful of large scale guild vs guild fights over 7 years.

[SteppinnRazor]

When I quit playing people were abusing the anti train code to ghost through zones. Still much code work to do.

Server did however provide many times that were on par with my best times on red. Legal training was cool, forced guilds to problem solve.

But I'm ready for a sturdy p99 box.

[Smedy]

we doing "play nice policy" once again with no gm intervention?
shiiet

just make sure you are the ones training first and you'll be fine

[Raclen]

When I quit playing people were abusing the anti train code to ghost through zones. Still much code work to do.

Server did however provide many times that were on par with my best times on red. Legal training was cool, forced guilds to problem solve.

But I'm ready for a sturdy p99 box.

The anti train code wouldn't allow anyone to ghost through a zone. It made it so aggro wouldn't transfer to someone else, but the aggro would still be on whoever originally got aggro through the entire zone. I like hard code fixes to grief and not making rules people have to willingly follow or they get banned. Either way, that was something that was put in a couple weeks before everyone quit so it was pretty insignificant throughout the timeline. The server was already over by then.

No matter how well coded Red99 2.0 is if they implement some play nice policy where they are banning people for stuff like training I will not end up playing it. That was the worst part of Red99 for me. The power the GMs had by enforcing rules however they wanted lead to way too much corruption and /petitions.

[Raclen]

There is no red99 2.0 are you stupid?

great story tho

great contribution, good luck with the aspergers

[Mingo]

All of my staff played on red, myself included. I played on TZ back in 2004, albeit not very much. I literally won't touch a game unless it has PVP. UO, WoW, etc. Anyone (bergs excluded) who played on RoZ seem to think we got the formula right. I think you want some elf lawyer to compel the community to play the way you remember, but those days are gone. It's an evolving game strategy-wise even today.

Renly was looking for party boys in Casual Scum discord. Just some bros to hang out with and talk.

Engelburt was denied entry to Holocaust on his shitter bodybag mage and joined Nihilum and then Empire, only after he had a 6k hp warrior did he invite pvp.

Jeremy requires no explanation as everyone is well aware of his inability to PVP or want to PVP. He's basically Karsten but w/ less skill.

My post stands untarnished. If EQ PVP is ever going to work, it's going to have to be a project managed by a PVPer. Lite, the mantle might be yours to carry.

[Chortles Snort|eS]

Anon poster since red launch

Opinion invalid

KeK

[quido]

Lewis' immersion and saltiness both second to none. Gotta love him. ;)

[Bazia]

for the record red died when all the old emu pvpers got dunked on by that swede WoW autist kungen at launch and scattered like roaches from a flash light, which was well before lites time and is in no way rogeans fault

[kotton05]

Jeremy the head autist programming extra chromies into RoZ 2.234720

[Rick Sanchez]

Jeremy the head autist programming extra chromies into RoZ 2.234720

[heartbrand]

for the record red died when all the old emu pvpers got dunked on by that swede WoW autist kungen at launch and scattered like roaches from a flash light, which was well before lites time and is in no way rogeans fault

Lovely exploited the fuck out of bugs and rechargeable clickies

[Raclen]

All of the old time emu players lost because a guy recharged wands? I don't remember it being a secret, others did it too. People also used sword of runes that procced on everything instead of just summoned mobs.

[Chortles Snort|eS]

“Lovely cheater better than we did”

-Holocaust

[Mingo]

Lewis' immersion and saltiness both second to none. Gotta love him. ;)

If by immersed you mean i have an accurate memory of history and your failings, you're right.

Not sure on what merit you would rank my 'saltiness' but i do call it like i see it. There is validity and a good deal of accuracy to any claim i've made. Unlike you i don't go where I'm unwanted begging friendship and attention.

What is it that you claim i'm salty over? If it's disliking the choices you made as developer and Renly made as project manager you're right. All for good reason. I'm not salty though, pal, i happily quit and i learned not to play a shitty Renly/Jeremy server.

Only reason i posted here is that you're here bragging and claiming that your turd is polished. Good luck re-launching your project 2.0 and trying to get a player base from these forums.

[quido]

What choices as a developer did you dislike? Not being able to fix some stuff that affected you quickly enough? You praised our work for quite a long time, but eventually quit due to grief (on a server where the staff doesn't directly intervene in matters of grief).

https://i.imgur.com/3wOjBl0.png

RoZ 1.0 has always been experimental EQ. We've made a lot of wild and progressive changes, and we've made a few mistakes, but we've learned from it all, and I think we are better equipped than anyone to provide a quality EQPVP experience. I'm sorry you didn't end up enjoying the server after Velious; you are not alone. We've taken what we've learned from 1.0 and are funneling it into 2.0 as a legitimate attempt to really do things right without any of the nonsense. I hope you'll give it a shot. I always appreciated and valued your input.

[Jeni]

He griefed himself off the box by losing his cool and training and attacking guild mates and threatening to take it out on innocent players cause he died to rikki a few times at bind. Pretty much no one liked him after he showed his true colors and he had no one left to play with and quit ( Catalyst also lost the box around this time despite according to him He was totally not worried about losing the box).

[iamnotsalem]

It provided much better guild vs guild pvp then Red99 ever had. For a while there were 20-30 real people in both top guilds fighting for hours over targets every week for several months. Red99 produced a handful of large scale guild vs guild fights over 7 years.

roz had 20 vs 20 guild fights ? very impressive thats so cool wow

[Rushmore]

for the record red died when all the old emu pvpers got dunked on by that swede WoW autist kungen at launch and scattered like roaches from a flash light, which was well before lites time and is in no way rogeans fault

When the server opened they tried to be a small dominate force but got owned. When they made a come back it became EMPIRE and the rest is history.

PVP servers really need 3 decent sized guilds but it usually never happens because people are bitches.

[Ragnaros]

I will play RoZ but I ain’t about the custom shit, would rather play a classic non custom reputable server such as red99 because I know people will always play and it won’t go anywhere

[White_knight]

Look it's well documented that Jermey is an odd ball with crippling insecurities that he tries very hard to over correct. But jesus guys show him the respect he deserves for helping out Renly and giving you a place to play for awhile - for free.

It's also not a good look to the people currently considering bring us a new p99 coded PvP server when there's people openly attacking other games GMs/Devs.

[SteppinnRazor]

Dude quit cause Shark killed his Gloridain mid ring 8 event. He thought it was me who did it. I wish it was

[quido]

XD P99 psychoanalysis (or psycho analysis?)

I don't care about being respected - happy to wallow in the muck - but I just can't help but let my autism flare up when people don't represent the facts correctly.

[Mingo]

Dude quit cause Shark killed his Gloridain mid ring 8 event. He thought it was me who did it. I wish it was

Huh? I had quit a month prior to that, came back to check out Velious. Played an afternoon, did Ring8. Killed Shark a dozen times and he deleveled out of range to grief encounter.

I asked Jeremy if he had any plans to encourage PVP around that encounter since griefing it was so simple. IE: open PVP range. IE: making the mob a PVP encounter/event more than griefable.

Jeremy and Renly decided that griefing was 'classic' and wanted to keep it in. I said, clearly, no problem you can make your management decisions that shape the server.

At this point the pop was showing like 50 at night less than a month after Velious drop. I play EQ to PVP, i dont play it to grief. EQ grief wars bore me.

[quido]

The zone was made FFA on 3/29.

[Chortles Snort|eS]

DiS lewIs guy seem real cool and normal

😬👍🏽

[Nirgon]

Not taking any sides in this fight or anything but love me some Lewis

Hope RoZ does classic item lewt before brown 99, Jeremy literally a top gentlesir and I'll keep the faith

[SteppinnRazor]

Nothing against the dude, don't really know em

Just love me some grief

[Raclen]

roz had 20 vs 20 guild fights ? very impressive thats so cool wow

You have dedicated a chunk of your life to this game and that is better quality pvp than you have ever experienced. What do you expect on a shit emulator for a 20 year old game?

[Raclen]

Huh? I had quit a month prior to that, came back to check out Velious. Played an afternoon, did Ring8. Killed Shark a dozen times and he deleveled out of range to grief encounter.

I asked Jeremy if he had any plans to encourage PVP around that encounter since griefing it was so simple. IE: open PVP range. IE: making the mob a PVP encounter/event more than griefable.

Jeremy and Renly decided that griefing was 'classic' and wanted to keep it in. I said, clearly, no problem you can make your management decisions that shape the server.

At this point the pop was showing like 50 at night less than a month after Velious drop. I play EQ to PVP, i dont play it to grief. EQ grief wars bore me.

To back up lewis on this he had quit during Kunark. I played later in Velious again after a break for another couple weeks and he was never on, he must have already come back and quit by then.

Also, being nice to the GMs was required on RoZ. If you were nice to them they would make changes you wanted. Opposing factions were constantly getting things tailored to what their guild wanted by being nice to the GMs. Spell changes, free epics from turkeys, anti training, CoH nerfs, sky drop rate changes, etc.

That ended up being the real downfall of Catalyst, getting so pissed at the GMs over turkey day that they just did whatever the opposing guild wanted going forward. The GMs got booted from the Catalyst discord, communication stopped, and they just did whatever the other guild proposed.

[SteppinnRazor]

To back up lewis on this he had quit during Kunark. I played later in Velious again after a break for another couple weeks and he was never on, he must have already come back and quit by then.

Also, being nice to the GMs was required on RoZ. If you were nice to them they would make changes you wanted. Opposing factions were constantly getting things tailored to what their guild wanted by being nice to the GMs. Spell changes, free epics from turkeys, anti training, CoH nerfs, sky drop rate changes, etc.

That ended up being the real downfall of Catalyst, getting so pissed at the GMs over turkey day that they just did whatever the opposing guild wanted going forward. The GMs got booted from the Catalyst discord, communication stopped, and they just did whatever the other guild proposed.

Anti train and coh nerf were from cata crying. Turkey day wasn't created for us, it was an unbiased fuckup by the staff. You lost some to turkey day but the real nail in the coffin was losing VP.

[Raclen]

Anti train and coh nerf were from cata crying. Turkey day wasn't created for us, it was an unbiased fuckup by the staff. You lost some to turkey day but the real nail in the coffin was losing VP.

VP wasn't really a big deal. Anti train was after the server was already over. CoH was definitely something Catalyst asked for. Turkey day, spell changes, world shakes for PP timers, sky items handed to titanuk for quests were all things they "cried" for. It isn't complicated or a secret. GMs are in the guilds discords. You are nice to them, ask them for stuff and they give it to you. I guess when the other team gets something it turns into crying.

[coolget]

sorry you lost

[quido]

One side always thinks we only listen to the other side. We actually make changes because we think they are correct. We've received lots of quality input from people on all sides. We're a little more responsive than p99 but we actually move pretty slowly with significant changes generally. Bear in mind we have an extremely accelerated timeline.

I just began working on RoZ source again this morning. We got some good stuff coming and are working towards optimizing performance for 2.0. You know Big Jeremy won't let you down.

[Raclen]

sorry you lost

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZ3qUH-DFMM&t=34s

sorry you lost

One side always thinks we only listen to the other side. We actually make changes because we think they are correct. We've received lots of quality input from people on all sides. We're a little more responsive than p99 but we actually move pretty slowly with significant changes generally. Bear in mind we have an extremely accelerated timeline.

I just began working on RoZ source again this morning. We got some good stuff coming and are working towards optimizing performance for 2.0. You know Big Jeremy won't let you down.

I said you listened to both sides. I was just defending Lewis for being nice to you guys in those messages before he gave up on the server and didn't care anymore. Everyone was nice to you guys to get stuff at some point.

[iamnotsalem]

yikes lol

[El Prez]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZ3qUH-DFMM&t=34s

sorry you lost





good video. Thank you for reminding me of how much success I've had on R99.

Time to reflect

[Nirgon]

That's Bundy on Cwall bard ty

Always was during Holo return :)


You never mentioned the other enchanter you entered with and died on in the rng contest, funny to me

[White_knight]

Or the time his guild got massacred in the caves...

[Nirgon]

We had a very uphill battle against them when I came back, well played etc until it got dirty

I mean no disrespect but entering multiple enchanters in an rng contest is gonna get called out

[El Prez]

sorry yall lost

[kotton05]

sorry yall lost

Sorry you can’t live near a school ever

[White_knight]

Can't w8 2 fight the snout and his piglet followers.

[Nirgon]

Well they mention that multiple entries being detected is grounds for disqualification

So ur dq'd in my book, and also have a first round loss... but u enjoy that

[El Prez]

cool,

better luck with the "rng" next time

[Worry]

Jesus, if this thread didn't make Rogean lose all interest for a pvp server, I don't know what would.

I played RZ back in the day, I don't remember the pop being this ridiculously toxic. Maybe one or two here and there, but was a pretty chill atmosphere. A shame the griefers took over and ruined their own server.

[gangsta]

Jesus, if this thread didn't make Rogean lose all interest for a pvp server, I don't know what would.

I played RZ back in the day, I don't remember the pop being this ridiculously toxic. Maybe one or two here and there, but was a pretty chill atmosphere. A shame the griefers took over and ruined their own server.

its a cesspool

[Bazia]

jeremys based, ill check out the new box

[Tassador]

Rogean is concerned with having a viable profitable project that allows people to play Everquest for free. Please donate and shut the fuck up! :)

[Rang]

Jesus, if this thread didn't make Rogean lose all interest for a pvp server, I don't know what would.

I played RZ back in the day, I don't remember the pop being this ridiculously toxic. Maybe one or two here and there, but was a pretty chill atmosphere. A shame the griefers took over and ruined their own server.

https://web.archive.org/web/20010331102715/http://www.darkenbane.com/

it was toxic back in the day too lol

"On Saturday night a squad of DBers were warned for ZONE camping on the Oasis/South RO border. Lots of issues came up inculding the GM indicating a NEW rule advising we were NOT allowed to chase foes across zone boundries!

We all know this is silly, but he SAID it! The bottom line? Our server needs a freagin' RULE book. Here's the log of the GM warning us." - circa 2001 yawl - 20 years of elf sim baby

[Gustoo]

The toxic was about 10 percent of server on rallos. And almost everyone killing dragons was anti pk so it was a different situation.

[Ragnaros]

The toxic was about 10 percent of server on rallos. And almost everyone killing dragons was anti pk so it was a different situation.

Sounds like red always was

[Tradesonred]

Other than ourselves who are we kidding? The likelihood that Project 1999 was going to dedicate time in development, and likely more importantly to management, of a PVP enabled server has always been nearly zero. It's conceptually a viable idea but unless the management team were themselves an avid fan of EQ PVP it would never succeed.

Rogean was never a Red player or a PVPer. Sirken was never a PVPer, he was a 4th tier halfwit bluebie on Vallon Zek. They're not the correct project managers for an EQ PVP server.

--Renly was never a PVPer.

--Devnoob and Co were never PVPers.

If we're to ever have a viable, successful, arc for a PVP server it's going to have to come from the rare spawn that is a well-balanced PVP fanatic.

Spoiler Alert: Don't hold your breath.

That is correct, except for that dev (forgot his name) who played the legendary Angwe on dethecus (rogue who spent hours waiting for the boat in menethil harbor to gank alliance players and then posted the hate tells he got on his alliance alt on a website).

Sirken kept organising joust-type events instead of capitalising on the fact that people wanna pvp organically. AKA fight over mobs. The halloween event of 2001 on Rallos should be the blueprint for great pvp server events.

The toxic was about 10 percent of server on rallos. And almost everyone killing dragons was anti pk so it was a different situation.

It could have been the same here, or at least more mixed if xp loss wasnt there for the first few months (years? cant recall exactly) so the population was less of a pure form of distilled toxic griefer types. It would have been less harsh and casuals/new players could have gotten more of a foothold in so that varied factions could emerge.

We (me and very few others) had to fight forever against the "Rogean mentality" (This isnt call of duty!) for a long time over xp loss and it was clear that alot of players just didnt get how fun it was to pvp in Gfay on Rallos which was basically a pvp map 24/7, coupled with the central hub for trading on an item loot server. By the time they reacted the damage was already done.

My post may seem contradictory as im praising Angwe and underlining the detrimental aspect of griefing through xp loss to server pop but on a wow server at launch you had endless supplies of people and no xp loss, so situation was different

[Gustoo]

Yeah. If you missed rallos gfay pvp, you can't imagine how fun it was.

[Trainhop]

no shit was angwe a dev here? bumped into the guy in redridge and we spent a good hour or so kill'n lvl 17's.