Guild Wars

[Baler]

Guild Wars were in classic everquest during the 1999-2001 everquest period.
When will guid wars be added to project 1999?

Nilbog has stated he will add it eventually.
We are at the 'final patch' and it's still not added.
:(

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If two guilds both enabled guild wars with each other, the game would allow members of both guilds to PvP with each other.

/guildwar
Allows the guild leader to challenge or accept another guild in a guild war along with the length of the war in days. Both guild leaders must execute the command.

/guildpeace
Allows the guild leader to end a guild war. The leaders of both guilds must execute this command to end the war.


This is not a rants and flames thread.

[bigjeff100]

Baler you son of a gun, where u been at?!

[Jibartik]

I would love for guild-war to make it to p99

People say teams is what makes eq pvp work, but I've never tried raiding being the switch that turns it on, and would love to see what life would be like if you want to raid, you're killable by enemy raiders!

I have a feeling that would provide 30+ years of blue99 fun for a lot of folks!

It'd be harmless fun at that point!

But what do I know, that's just my opinion, man. :o

[Kinaki]

Guild Wars 1 pretty great game. 2 not so much.

[Baler]

Aftermath vs Riot in a guild war?

Let's make it happen. :)

[BlackBellamy]

Is there a guild size maximum? Two opposing guilds for alts to pvp with maybe?

[Baler]

Is there a guild size maximum? Two opposing guilds for alts to pvp with maybe?

Two guilds...
<RED> VS <BLUE>

I like it.. :)

[AbstractVision]

I remember some guild wars I was in on Povar server, we would meet up in oasis and battle it out a few times a week. I've been asking for this for years on p99. Would play out like a fun mini game.

[DMN]

No one is going to bother with it, outside of a joke or something. Like the bob/fred wars of ultima online.

[Fammaden]

Great for inter alliance hammering.

[DRAGONBAIT]

I would love for guild-war to make it to p99

People say teams is what makes eq pvp work,


honestly, guild wars on a blue setting could be fun, but would guilds really pvp over raid targets? i doubt it.

everyone is talking about how teams pvp would work, how many of u played tallon zek ? ( original teams pvp server ) because yeah, it was a lot of fun on the lower lvls, darkies vs lighties, shorties etc, the fights going on in EC were hella nice, people /shouting "lighties in zone" and everyone packed stuff to go pvp them, same in faydark when shorties came to pvp at crushbones ent etc, lots of fun. Reality is that at higher lvls it didnt work out, pandemonium broke teams creating an all-races guild, soon everyone followed, indignation, sanctimony, xanadu...high-end pvp ended when all but one race were dead, and u would have for example, all the darkies from 3 guilds standing on the zoneline of X zone with a hundred corpses at their feet, not being able to carry on or to see who won the zone.

thats how teams pvp would work.

imo the pvp ruleset that works in eq is plain and simple pvp with level range, so guilds can compete over zones and bosses, thats it. no item loot, no exp death penalty, no YTs for the egotrip, no bullshit. just classic pvp

what is good about teams is that on the lower levels the world feels safer, not everyone is a target or a potential killer, thats it, but post 46 it should be allowed FFA or we would have those problems i mentioned

[BlackBellamy]

I think the idea would be to let the guilds raid in PvE peace, but for people to have alts in the two PvP guilds and declare some zone as the war zone and everyone go fight there just for fun, not over spawns, but just something like who is going to own Oasis tonight.

[loramin]

honestly, guild wars on a blue setting could be fun, but would guilds really pvp over raid targets? i doubt it.

There's a reason many of us didn't even know about the /guildwar command until we came here and someone mentioned it was missing: there is literally zero incentive for guilds to use it ... except if they're bored and want to have fun (and/or settle something).

And that is exactly why it belongs on Blue! No rational guild would ever use it ... but maybe, after ten years of our raid scene, maybe just maybe someday two passionate neckbeard guild leaders will get upset enough at each other to make it happen (even though it would mean taking time away from collecting precious pixels).

[walfreyydo]

Guildwars would allow both PvE and PvP (for those who want it) to co-exist on one server.
Lets make it happen.

[walfreyydo]

There's a reason many of us didn't even know about the /guildwar command until we came here and someone mentioned it was missing: there is literally zero incentive for guilds to use it ... except if they're bored and want to have fun (and/or settle something).

And that is exactly why it belongs on Blue! No rational guild would ever use it ... but maybe, after ten years of our raid scene, maybe just maybe someday two passionate neckbeard guild leaders will get upset enough at each other to make it happen (even though it would mean taking time away from collecting precious pixels).

For those of us who enjoyed PvP, want to PvP but cant really see the point of playing on a server with only 25 people, this is the perfect solution.

In fact, it would make a lot of sense to simply have two guilds (light races and dark races) to be in perpetual guildwar which would basically emulate racial PvP on the Blue server. People who want to PvP can do so and still enjoy a server with a healthy population.

This is a really good idea with zero downsides.

[Old_PVP]

Guild Wars

Now we are getting somewhere. I like it.

[Braelyn]

For those of us who enjoyed PvP, want to PvP but cant really see the point of playing on a server with only 25 people, this is the perfect solution.

In fact, it would make a lot of sense to simply have two guilds (light races and dark races) to be in perpetual guildwar which would basically emulate racial PvP on the Blue server. People who want to PvP can do so and still enjoy a server with a healthy population.

This is a really good idea with zero downsides.

Yep, there would be a lot of fun possibilities, and people could get creative with it. And it's classic! As a former TZ player, I'm all for it.

[Baler]

I agree that it's unlikely the big raid guilds will partake in this. But it would certainly be used by smaller guilds or even guilds that form based soley around this features. It can breath new life into blue for those who have done everything and want to show off their pixel plunders in a different way.

[Old Prexus]

Agreed. The guild leaders can set the limit of the war from 1-14 days. So 2 guilds could have a one day war event in a particular zone, and sue for peace if concluded before the one day has ended. OR have a full blown 2 week beef war leaving mobs to scurry and hide all over Norrath.

[Nirgon]

RoZ said they got this kind of thing working in 2 hours including full testing with their implementation, but using #match command to do something similar

Praying for classic

"We want players to be able to sort things out between each other to resolve disputes"

Give us the tools!

[Pyrrhica]

This was a cool feature. My guild on live had some sort of dispute with another guild and we did battle in SRO to resolve it. Mixed in with some hits on people hiding out in lguk. Killed each other over and over until one side was getting mostly corpse camped and gave up.

[Palemoon]

force guild wars on guilds that don’t follow raid rules

[Baler]

I think there is for sure people who would love to see raid zones like ToV become a pvp zone. But as a middle ground compromise.

Please add classic /Guildwar

[Tyronius of Midnight]

This thread is deserving of a bump to the top.

Thank you Nilbog, for your consideration.

[walfreyydo]

The only real issue here is how to handle OOR healers when in a guildwar. My assumption would be that either:

a) During a guildwar, guild members can only be buffed/healed by other guild members
or
b) any OOR heal or buff would flag that person for PvP (not likely to be implemented)

Option A is obviously the easier (only) option, but this would require guild members to xp or PvE together.

Another consideration would be the (normal) 8 level spread for PvP. During guildwar the assumption would be that this would apply to any level range. However, that would put lower level members at risk, which would mean two warring guilds would have to be in the same rough level range (or not log into alts).

My vision is to have two guilds, light races and dark races, level 52+ be in perpetual guild war. Maybe the guild would be structured as a more elite, "best of the best"/hardcore players who have grown tired of the PvE game and want to experience perpetual world PvP against other, similarily leveled and geared players. Downside would be all PvE is limited to your guild only (or solo). To me this is an interesting concept. Perhaps the two warring guilds take PvP vacations to focus on PvE for a certain period and then go back to active guildwar.

[Madbad]

The only real issue here is how to handle OOR healers when in a guildwar. My assumption would be that either:

a) During a guildwar, guild members can only be buffed/healed by other guild members
or
b) any OOR heal or buff would flag that person for PvP (not likely to be implemented)

Option A is obviously the easier (only) option, but this would require guild members to xp or PvE together.

Another consideration would be the (normal) 8 level spread for PvP. During guildwar the assumption would be that this would apply to any level range. However, that would put lower level members at risk, which would mean two warring guilds would have to be in the same rough level range (or not log into alts).

My vision is to have two guilds, light races and dark races, level 52+ be in perpetual guild war. Maybe the guild would be structured as a more elite, "best of the best"/hardcore players who have grown tired of the PvE game and want to experience perpetual world PvP against other, similarily leveled and geared players. Downside would be all PvE is limited to your guild only (or solo). To me this is an interesting concept. Perhaps the two warring guilds take PvP vacations to focus on PvE for a certain period and then go back to active guildwar.

So your implementation of guild war would essentially be two Redbook guilds?

How boring.

[Danth]

/guildwar <guild leader name> <number> - Allows the guild leader to challenge or accept another guild in guild war. Both parameters are necessary, and both guild leaders must execute the command. The number is the number of days that the guild war will last, from 1 to 14. All members of a guild at war with another guild are PvP with each other for the duration of the guild war.

/guildpeace <guild leader name>- Allows the guild leader to end a guild war. Both guild leaders must execute this command to end the war. Guild war will end in any case after the time limit has passed.

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The above is cut-and-paste from the EQ manual. It's unlimited PvP range. If a guild full of level 40's is stupid enough to accept a wardec with a guild full of level 60's it deserves the beatdown it'll get. The feature was only rarely used in the original game but it existed so in theory it's on the table here, even if low priority.

Danth

[Baler]

wardec

Someone is or was an eve player! And I approve! :)
(war declaration for those unaware)

I'm happy other people are more interested in this now. Im sure it will make it's way in. Perhaps after green launch. I know the staff are putting in overtime to get green ready by the 25th.

[Baler]

Will you partake in guild wars pvp on green?

[Nirgon]

Ya

Passive aggressive bs and trying to petitionquest is what people resort to, yuck

[Chortles Snort|eS]

force guild wars on guilds

[Nirgon]

Forcing them ain't classic

If it were, I'd agree

"What about people interfering with heals and buffs"

Easy answer - shits classic, deal with it, maybe guild war those dudes who get involved too. Sounds like they wanna get into some PVP.

[Achromatic]

Posting in a legendary thread.

[Raclen]

Forcing them ain't classic

If it were, I'd agree

"What about people interfering with heals and buffs"

Easy answer - shits classic, deal with it, maybe guild war those dudes who get involved too. Sounds like they wanna get into some PVP.

The point is all support would be immune to pvp and would not accept a guild war. Guilds would simply have all dps go in the pvp guild while all support had another guild tag.

[walfreyydo]

The point is all support would be immune to pvp and would not accept a guild war. Guilds would simply have all dps go in the pvp guild while all support had another guild tag.

Or any guild participating in a guildwar would be unable to be healed and buffed by non-guild members. No outside support

[aaezil]

force guild wars on guilds that don’t follow raid rules

Plz

[Tyronius of Midnight]

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16360

[Baler]

Let the staff know we want this feature!

[3d_glasses]

This sounds like the ultimate solution to the level cap. End game content? Now you're a PVPer

[3d_glasses]

Hell you could flip it around have one week every summer where you have a week prior to join one of two guilds and then its a week long battle of levels 5 to 9

[Baler]

How are things looking for /guildwar :)

[whitebandit]

+1 for guildwars

[Nirgon]

How it worked on live is how it should be

No different

Don't like it? Don't guildwar

[Baler]

Spark some life into blue with guild wars mechanic please.

[ScottBerta]

I agree. This doesn’t force PvP on anyone but provides the option.

[Fame]

Back in 99 a friend of mine was in a top pve guild on his server when a guild war was declared between another top level guild. He missed a lot of school that week so im assuming it is incredibly fun and immersive. 20 years later it still comes up in conversation.

[Kerwin 5.0]

Yes plz

[Krone90]

Guild Wars 1 pretty great game. 2 not so much.lmao agreed

[Nirgon]

1 2 3 4

I declare a guild war

[radda]

i accept your guild war declare

[walfreyydo]

/guildwar please

[Ekl_Mortain]

I remember PvP in Live was a hell of a ball. It was so radical being a low level (20 druid) and being literally swept up by all the guild i was with while following the shouts of "DARKIES FIGHTING LIGHTIES AT SUCH AND SUCH". And you'd have all these people just come running. It was such a blast. Specially if you currently held EC and just get to watch this massive charge of players come out of it hahaha.

I too would love to see this. I think it could help guilds get some stress out and maybe develop some battle tested friendships. Rivalry only works if you give it an outlet afterall.

[Baler]

This seems like a great idea! :)
All the top heavy 60 twinks could pop on and liven up the place.