Agnostic Human Rogue factions

[Verityn]

I've been doing a lot of web searching and I just haven't found much info on what to expect as an agnostic human rogue starting in Qeynos. In theory this race/class/deity combo seems really neutral, but I could understand some factions just never wanting anything to do with a rogue. I'm mostly curious to know if any town guards/merchants are KOS to me and If there are any surprises like a random KOS npc in Freeport.

On blue I'm only level 2 so I'm just running around Qeynos and everyone including the paladins just seem apprehensive to me which makes sense. I plan to see if the necro guild is KOS to me too tonight. I read some random forum post about Halas guards being KOS to non-barbarian rogues and I'm not sure if that's true. I don't expect to be allowed to go into Grobb or Oggok, but maybe I'm okay in Neriak commons?

[Gustoo]

You won't be KOS to anyone as an agnostic human rogue.

Rogue faction isn't particularly bad in any particular place. Racial faction way more significant.

The agnostic aspect will mean that when you wear a DE mask you won't be hated by evils. Evils will hate you if you worship a good God (illusion doesn't cover your diety alliance) so you definitely need to be agnostic as a rogue or enchanter.

[Verityn]

You won't be KOS to anyone as an agnostic human rogue.

Rogue faction isn't particularly bad in any particular place. Racial faction way more significant.

The agnostic aspect will mean that when you wear a DE mask you won't be hated by evils. Evils will hate you if you worship a good God (illusion doesn't cover your diety alliance) so you definitely need to be agnostic as a rogue or enchanter.

Thanks for the reassurance. At the very least it seems like I might con threateningly to the halas guards, but even with that I can still turn in the gnoll fangs there to bring it up to dubious. I'm hoping for something similar with Neriak Commons. I just think it would so cool to go there as a human and not just with a DE mask.

[Gustoo]

Halas guard 99.99 percent just fine.

The rogue factions you will be aligned with wont hurt them a lot. If a rogue was KOS he wouldn't be a very good rogue would he?

[Verityn]

Halas guard 99.99 percent just fine.

The rogue factions you will be aligned with wont hurt them a lot. If a rogue was KOS he wouldn't be a very good rogue would he?

Part of me was hoping that none of the dervish cutthroats or karana bandits were kos to me because I'm their bro.

[Gustoo]

Bandits may or may not be KOS to you I am not that good at faction knowledge.

For most important stuff in game, your race is number 1 most important.

For illusions your religion comes through and evil races are fully at war with (not tolerant of) goodie religions.

Good guys usually won't KOS you for being a bad religion. My first character in everquest in 1999 was a wood elf warrior. I worshipped rallos zek the god of war (duh, right?) and I had max wisdom because I knew that the most important part of a truly great warrior is that he is wise. I was dubious to wood elfs in my home town and KOS to dwarfs. I snuck onto the boat and went to the tolerant peoples of misty thicket to begin my adventure.

[Keebz]

On a more general level, is there solid info on which religions are 'good' vs 'evil' vs 'neutral'? Or is that an oversimplification of a more nuanced faction web? I'm personally curious what Prexus qualifies as... but I digress.

It'd be cool to be able to type in a class, race, deity combo and see what faction doors open/close.

[DMN]

On a more general level, is there solid info on which religions are 'good' vs 'evil' vs 'neutral'? Or is that an oversimplification of a more nuanced faction web? I'm personally curious what Prexus qualifies as... but I digress.

It'd be cool to be able to type in a class, race, deity combo and see what faction doors open/close.

It's not so much there are neutral deities, just some that not many people dislike very strongly. I think brell and bristle are the closest things to being neutral, maybe sol ro too? Generally it's the religious folks you have to watch out for, the shamans, clerics, SKs, necros, paladins, druids. The non religious types tend not be terribly impacted by your religion choices.

It's probably something like 70% of the time you are KOS it was purely your race that did it, 20% of the time your god pushed them over the line into KOS territory, and assuming you survived the race and deity check the remaining 10% was your class.

A more important question(s) is really what factions are worth raising in the first place?
Secondarily, which factions are impossible or extremely hard to raise if you already start out KOS to them. Like in neriak I recall it's nearly impossible to raise faction with the king or queen without upsetting the other. So if you started out KOS to one of those it's going to be pretty tough if not impossible to get out of that faction hole.

[Keebz]

Found this faction dump from live on the EQ classic forums. Might help answer some of our questions wrt class/race faction, assuming p99 is pretty close.

https://pastebin.com/raw/EXkdMT1W

Pretty fun reading. I also read there's some quirks like Prexus worshippers aren't KOS to sharks and ocean creatures and Brell worshippers aren't KOS to earth elementals. It's especially interesting given, we all have the chance to be DE's soon!

[DMN]

Found this faction dump from live on the EQ classic forums. Might help answer some of our questions wrt class/race faction, assuming p99 is pretty close.

https://pastebin.com/raw/EXkdMT1W

Pretty fun reading. I also read there's some quirks like Prexus worshippers aren't KOS to sharks and ocean creatures and Brell worshippers aren't KOS to earth elementals. It's especially interesting given, we all have the chance to be DE's soon!

Well, you certainly gave the OP what they wanted. Heh. Now if they want to take the time to pore over it? heh. Also that might not be 100% accurate. I can see right away the dark ones faction is different. ogre shaman start out KoS to grobb shaman guild, but according to that they should only be dubious.

[Keebz]

Well, you certainly gave the OP what they wanted. Heh. Now if they want to take the time to pore over it? heh.

If someone wants to give me a dump of all the factions in P99 (I don't really want to scrape the wiki, but I could...), I'd be happy to filter out all the noise. It would also be interesting to get this in the wiki somehow.

[DMN]

If someone wants to give me a dump of all the factions in P99 (I don't really want to scrape the wiki, but I could...), I'd be happy to filter out all the noise. It would also be interesting to get this in the wiki somehow.

Probably be best if someone wants to do anything related to it with the wiki to just find the applicable wiki page for the faction that already exists and just use find/word search and copy/paste the relevant information. maybe under the title of something like "base faction adjustments"? Obviously removing races like vahshir.

https://wiki.project1999.com/Category:Factions

[Verityn]

Found this faction dump from live on the EQ classic forums. Might help answer some of our questions wrt class/race faction, assuming p99 is pretty close.

https://pastebin.com/raw/EXkdMT1W

Pretty fun reading. I also read there's some quirks like Prexus worshippers aren't KOS to sharks and ocean creatures and Brell worshippers aren't KOS to earth elementals. It's especially interesting given, we all have the chance to be DE's soon!

This is beyond awesome. Thank you very much. Everything seems pretty easy to understand however I'm wondering where you're seeing that Prexus worshippers aren't KOS to shark? Perhaps you saw the Servants of Hydro faction and thought it was the ocean creatures when it's actually the water elementals in Twilight Sea.

Here are some of the things I learned that hopefully will be the same on green.

As for Human Rogue I don't think one could be more neutral in standing with a lot of the factions that aren't outright xenophobic. The exception being the various merchant and citizen factions that treat rogues like dark elves (-200 isn't that big of a deal at all). In cases where a faction hates everyone Rogues will often be hated least. Like the Karana Bandits and most of the human criminal factions, Rogues are the least hated class and since they obviously have nothing against Humans a human rogue is not KOS to the bandits. It almost makes me not want to do the bandit sash quest just for the novelty of being liked by my homies. In those instances if I was a dwarf or a barbarian rogue I'd be viewed threateningly. Gnomes Rogues are pretty close to humans though and some cases slightly better faction-wise.

Human Rogues are also in a pretty good position to not be attacked in Neriak by most of the common factions there with only a -175 starting faction to the guards for example. Dwarf and Barb Rogues on the other hand are very KOS. Not much I can do with the factions that hate everyone race except dark elf, troll and ogre.

Ultimately what I get with a Human Rogue is being viewed apprehensively with pretty much every human faction in the game whether they are necro guildmasters, paladins or bandits. Being human and agnostic in most other cases just serves as something that doesn't hurt or help me. Also, just at a glance it seems that human and gnome rogues don't really have to worry much about faction when it comes to their epics since we're not KOS in kaladin or the part of Neriak you have to go to.

I feel pretty good about being a human now.

[Benanov]

Wow. The iksar hits are huge compared to the other qualifiers.

[Deathrydar]

Thanks for the reassurance. At the very least it seems like I might con threateningly to the halas guards, but even with that I can still turn in the gnoll fangs there to bring it up to dubious. I'm hoping for something similar with Neriak Commons. I just think it would so cool to go there as a human and not just with a DE mask.

You can go there as a human rogue, you just need to stay away from the Wiz/Mage guild...

[Verityn]

You can go there as a human rogue, you just need to stay away from the Wiz/Mage guild...

That's where factions are kind of hard to understand. So the casters are part of The Spurned faction which I should only be apprehensive (-250) to assuming this list is correct. However I see people mentioning them being aligned with the King who is KOS to me (-500). Technically if I get 1 point of faction he should be dubious to me after that. The same for the warrior guild where I should be able to sneak into Crushbone to kill a single elf slave to get -499 (dubious). Of course there are some factions that are -1000.

Exploring all of this in game is going to be a lot of fun.

[loramin]

That's where factions are kind of hard to understand. So the casters are part of The Spurned faction which I should only be apprehensive (-250) to assuming this list is correct. However I see people mentioning them being aligned with the King who is KOS to me (-500). Technically if I get 1 point of faction he should be dubious to me after that. The same for the warrior guild where I should be able to sneak into Crushbone to kill a single elf slave to get -499 (dubious). Of course there are some factions that are -1000.

Exploring all of this in game is going to be a lot of fun.

Just remember that the wiki faction numbers are like the ZEMs. No one really knows the exact numbers here, because ShowEQ is banned (and without a tool like that there's no way to determine the exact numbers ... in fact, I'm kinda surprised you could even see those with ShowEQ ... but I assume that's how people got them back in the day?)

Which faction you gain/lose is almost always correct in the wiki, but you should take the numbers only as a "best guess".

[Lojik]

That list is awesome but I don't think it's the same for p99 (at least for some things.) Sol ro erudite wizard is apprehensive to order of three, but according to this it should be indifferent or above.

[Cen]

That list is awesome but I don't think it's the same for p99 (at least for some things.) Sol ro erudite wizard is apprehensive to order of three, but according to this it should be indifferent or above.

I was going to say that Solusek Ro specifically on that list is way, way wrong. On P99 its interesting, it gives better faction across the board than being agnostic!

[Verityn]

That list is awesome but I don't think it's the same for p99 (at least for some things.) Sol ro erudite wizard is apprehensive to order of three, but according to this it should be indifferent or above.

I guess at least that's not so wildly different that I would have to throw away this list. I was never going to fully trust it anyways because I'd really like to avoid being killed in a place that might make it hard to get my body back even as a rogue.

[soronil]

That list is awesome but I don't think it's the same for p99 (at least for some things.) Sol ro erudite wizard is apprehensive to order of three, but according to this it should be indifferent or above.

Agnostic Dark Elf Mage vs Coallition of Tradesfolk is also note correct. I was actually about 100 points negative into Dubious on a new character and had to raise faction by ~100 to get to apprehensive.

there's enough bad examples for me to consider the list useless. Like, how do you know which ones to trust?

[Verityn]

Agnostic Dark Elf Mage vs Coallition of Tradesfolk is also note correct. I was actually about 100 points negative into Dubious on a new character and had to raise faction by ~100 to get to apprehensive.

there's enough bad examples for me to consider the list useless. Like, how do you know which ones to trust?

Since it was only off by 100 faction in both cases I think it still serves as a reference (at least for me) for whether or not you MIGHT be KOS. I don't expect to run into a faction that I'm KOS to that I expected I would be friendly with. Also so far in Qeynos they have been pretty accurate even for the necro guild that I feared I would be attacked by.

I don't think we should upload this to the wiki though. Instead I will make notes in the specific faction pages as I play on green.

[BlackBellamy]

Found this faction dump from live on the EQ classic forums. Might help answer some of our questions wrt class/race faction, assuming p99 is pretty close.

https://pastebin.com/raw/EXkdMT1W



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