Red-recycle server petition

[DRAGONBAIT]

Im just wondering, we as a community are not even thinking on trying to petition them to make a red recycle server? we could try it guys, get together and ask for it even throw them some donations if needed, wathever. But i feel we deserve another chance like the blue guys will have.

thoughts? what could we try to do to change rogean and those guys minds? im up for anything, even donate.

PD: we do some crowdfunding, get some plats together and toss em to them see if they change their mind, im up for it

[Videri]

I'd love to see some kind of petition or poll that would truly gauge the amount of interest people have in a fresh Project 1999 pvp server. I would suggest the poll/petition/guestbook or whatever it is be open for a long time, since some old players may not check the forums religiously. Cheers, Dragonbait.

[kotton05]

No one wants to play with blue GMs enforcing blue rules on a red server

[DRAGONBAIT]

No one wants to play with blue GMs enforcing blue rules on a red server


i dont understand what u mean, red has its own rules. and as its been discussed many times on this forums, they had flaws at the start, like exp penalty on a pvp death and such. they are ok now

[Raclen]

There is already a better server doing this, Rise of Zek. They start the next server in 2 months or so that will eventually be recycled into the original server. Rise of Zek has devs that care about PvP and they have gotten the PvE aspect in great shape since starting the project last year. The only custom things on the server right now revolve around PvP balance (resists, item effect duration like Tstaff, CoTH lockouts during PvP, translocate lock out during pvp).

[iamnotsalem]

RoZ sucks ass sorry dude

[Raclen]

RoZ sucks ass sorry dude

If you don't like RoZ then you don't like EQ PvP, NEXT.

[Videri]

i dont understand what u mean, red has its own rules. and as its been discussed many times on this forums, they had flaws at the start, like exp penalty on a pvp death and such. they are ok now

He's not talking about hardcoded rules. Or maybe he is. But he's more likely talking about rules against training and dispelling mobs.

[DRAGONBAIT]

There is already a better server doing this, Rise of Zek. They start the next server in 2 months or so that will eventually be recycled into the original server. Rise of Zek has devs that care about PvP and they have gotten the PvE aspect in great shape since starting the project last year. The only custom things on the server right now revolve around PvP balance (resists, item effect duration like Tstaff, CoTH lockouts during PvP, translocate lock out during pvp).

you know, roz is ok. but the community is splited up and we all know what would happen if we got a fresh red server on p99.

[Chortles Snort|eS]

Recycle it


































into the trash

https://i.imgur.com/zUn7VDE_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

[Kohedron]

let's band together as a community and get what we deserve!

All 10 of us are dedicated hard working players who need a new server!

[DRAGONBAIT]

let's band together as a community and get what we deserve!

All 10 of us are dedicated hard working players who need a new server!


its not about that, its about all the people even in the official forums asking for the eq pvp community to get some love, we are completly forgotten. It shouldnt be like this tbh

[Gustoo]

Yes.
Yes.

Yes, but nothing I can explain right now.

Soon.


PRAS

[Old_PVP]

I wouldn't hold your breath.

[LuckyBones]

Roz was amazing up till luclin dropped, great server. If you didnt like roz then clearly you either werent very good at pvp or you just dont like pvp. Would love a new fresh red server, sounds like allot of fun. Roz 2.0 is gonna be fun af in the meantime

[mischief419]

I'd be cool with it. As long as we can /servercopy our existing chars to Blue so I didn't just waste countless KoS aggros from wife over these years for nothing.

[Vidar]

Im just wondering, we as a community are not even thinking on trying to petition them to make a red recycle server? we could try it guys, get together and ask for it even throw them some donations if needed, wathever. But i feel we deserve another chance like the blue guys will have.

thoughts? what could we try to do to change rogean and those guys minds? im up for anything, even donate.

PD: we do some crowdfunding, get some plats together and toss em to them see if they change their mind, im up for it

Give it time. you will have a new Red server in the next few years. It will be a recycle server like green. I guarantee you this. But it wont happen now. And they arent going to make red a recycle server just like they wont wipe red and start fresh. it isnt going to happen. No matter how many people you get to agree with you it still wont happen. You are beating your head against a wall.

[mischief419]

like exp penalty on a pvp death
That was THE worst experience ever and the worst way to invite people from Blue to join. Oh man! Who made that decision? ;D as soon as the patch turned off xp penalties, it was super fun to me. Except... it may have already been too late.

Most of the PvP action is 50+ (although I also particularly like 39~50 pvp, if population). If reset (and copy our current red's to blue), I don't want a Green pvp server... I just want a RED reboot!

* Same loot rules as now -- good
* SIGNIFICANT pre 50 xp boost. We're here for pvp and not pve. Give people a reason to ditch their other servers to do this.
* Keep current red experimental stuff -- pet window. Global ooc I REALLY like for pvp, but .... probably could do away with it if relaunch. Could automatically add global OOC if <x population?

Subjectively, when expansions are out there (or if population blows), allow /servercopy from blue to red to invite higher population. Even if people just copy their chars to dick around, that's more than we're experiencing now. Or maybe with a reboot, there may actually be a big flow of population where we wouldn't have to worry. The launch was just super unfortunate with the ruleset. And people coming for the pvp would have a grindfest, so no xp boost imo was a mistake.

I love my chars now, but ... I also love pvp. I tried Blue a bit and I just couldn't get into it. No thrill. No extra quest for sv gear. Guilds mean nothing - no trust system. No "infamous" people and no "heroes". Things have less meaning on Blue.

TL;DR: Copy current chars to blue, keep same rules, reboot with massive pre-50 xp boost, auto-grant global ooc when <x pop.

[DRAGONBAIT]

tbh the exp boost and global /ooc is what i dislike most from red99. they are experience changers

[Raclen]

They would never copy chars to blue, I don't even understand the argument for that. Red99 has 0 competition and pixels are handed out to brain dead players that just logged in and afk a couple times a week. If they make a new pvp server the chars would stay on red99 and then be copied from the new pvp server to red99 every cycle.

[kotton05]

tbh the exp boost and global /ooc is what i dislike most from red99. they are experience changers

.... and yellow text.

Ez xp means everyone will have 10 alts max level to throw at anyone. I’d rather it be harder to level than easier.

Global ooc is something you can turn off. For most it seems like a way to pass the time while camping something. Not really immersion ruining.

Worst part of r99 is the blue GMs enforcing blue rules. Shit I felt like I got more petitions against me on red than blue. Get rid of the rules all together outside of warping and boxing.

[Old_PVP]

Don't bother trying to "fix" something that was never broken. Do old Rallos Zek style, or one of the Team variations, preferably Sullon. If it is RZ style, then bring back item loot + coin. Choice of 1 droppable item, with held items / weapons also included! (You were able to loot weapons in original RZ) One of the factors that drove many noobs away were the fungi super twinks showing up and ruining their day. I personally know of a couple friends that quit due to that very reason.

Item loot is a great mechanic which accomplishes several things...

1. It encourages questing to find those obscure NO-DROP items.
2. Discourages super twinks, and gives the regular casuals a means to inflict lasting damage to them.
3. Gives an alternative to raiding and farming gear in the traditional sense. Much of the high end gear can still only be obtained through raiding obviously.
4. Improves the server economy by keeping droppable gear prices down. People won't be shelling out large amounts of plat if that gear could potentially be taken.
5. Improves the economy further by promoting tradeskills to make expendable gear such as banded / cheap jewelry just to fill slots.


More people need to have an open mind when it comes to item looting. It balances the game.

[Clazxiss]

Don't bother trying to "fix" something that was never broken. Do old Rallos Zek style, or one of the Team variations, preferably Sullon. If it is RZ style, then bring back item loot + coin. Choice of 1 droppable item, with held items / weapons also included! (You were able to loot weapons in original RZ) One of the factors that drove many noobs away were the fungi super twinks showing up and ruining their day. I personally know of a couple friends that quit due to that very reason.

Item loot is a great mechanic which accomplishes several things...

1. It encourages questing to find those obscure NO-DROP items.
2. Discourages super twinks, and gives the regular casuals a means to inflict lasting damage to them.
3. Gives an alternative to raiding and farming gear in the traditional sense. Much of the high end gear can still only be obtained through raiding obviously.
4. Improves the server economy by keeping droppable gear prices down. People won't be shelling out large amounts of plat if that gear could potentially be taken.
5. Improves the economy further by promoting tradeskills to make expendable gear such as banded / cheap jewelry just to fill slots.


More people need to have an open mind when it comes to item looting. It balances the game.

In summary, this came off as, super twinks vs. super twinks, since there's more than one fungi geared character that ruin a new person's day. Item loot will not change anything. All that would happen is that instead of a select few super twinks, they would eat each other alive until only a very select few remain. Then it will be back to beat up the newbies.


The way to fix Red is to kill high end twinking and scaling skills down when players de-level themselves. Plain and simple. There shouldn't be a ToV geared melee character in level 20-50 zones, but I have had the displeasure of coming across such players on Red.

Later in the EQ history, level restrictions would eventually get applied to certain items. Some people despised this, but I felt it was a nice equalizer.

PvP needs to have a sense of equality if you want to keep players engaged.

But if you want the true secret to making Red prosper, I'll give it to you. Community. Right now, there are more toxic people on Red then regular players. Giving a newbie high end trash gear and cash to get started is not going to hold their attention for long. Forging friendships and fighting their boredom does so. If you can't accomplish those feats of strength, then the player base of red does deserve to fade into obscurity.

[Eggbell]

Is there item loot on death, on red currently?

Item Loot: Item loot will currently not be in place, however this may be subject to change as we consider alternative item loot mechanics.

[Gustoo]

No there is no item loot currently.

EXP boost terrible idea

Global OOC terrible idea not classic from terrible failed state other PVP servers.

These custom mods make the server suck and are part of what made it fail.

everquest is about journey not the destination. Level 1-50 is where all fun happens. Level 50-60 is where dragon camping petitionquest sadness begins.

[Chortles Snort|eS]

No there is no item loot currently.

EXP boost terrible idea

Global OOC terrible idea not classic from terrible failed state other PVP servers.

These custom mods make the server suck and are part of what made it fail.

everquest is about journey not the destination. Level 1-50 is where all fun happens. Level 50-60 is where dragon camping petitionquest sadness begins.

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[Gustoo]

Ooo good times afk medding on Jboots to save up for my manastone

love to see screenies with my beautiful name.

Old world pvp even deaths are really beautiful I look forward to seeing non pals like you in the battlefield. Would rez for free anyways much love

[mischief419]

They would never copy chars to blue, I don't even understand the argument for that. Red99 has 0 competition and pixels are handed out to brain dead players that just logged in and afk a couple times a week. If they make a new pvp server the chars would stay on red99 and then be copied from the new pvp server to red99 every cycle.

Ohhhhhh ok -- Usually when I see people say "wipe it" in my head it's just the same server and all chars are wiped, too. As long as the old chars still exist, somehow. That's a lot of time and love put into them.

[kotton05]

Wonder how many fungi twink epic rogues are camped in seb to never be logged in again

[Rick Sanchez]

Wonder how many fungi twink epic rogues are camped in seb to never be logged in again

[Gustoo]

Probably 5 including corpse retrieval alts.