LEAVING RED BEHIND LIKE THAT

[DRAGONBAIT]

they could also just close it, since they dont give a shit

[Videri]

Man, Dragonbait, I'm trying to be nice and help you. You gotta chill a little bit and grow some patience. Remember when P99 Blue came out? (neither do I) I think it was two years before they opened P99 Red. If it's gonna happen, it's not gonna happen right away. Capisce?

[fan D]

hey tala there is some weirdo on my wow server who is claiming to be you, very odd

its clearly not, guy is named severos on deviate delight

[kotton05]

Poster above me is certified beta cuck

[Chortles Snort|eS]

Poster aBovE me haS maN giRl heRo as AvatAR!

big LAFF!

[Demoraliser]

poster above me is sipping on a 99 cent coffee

[Videri]

poster above me is sipping on a 99 cent coffee

Poster above me might like my favorite webcomic https://www.oglaf.com.

[Videri]

hey tala there is some weirdo on my wow server who is claiming to be you, very odd

its clearly not, guy is named severos on deviate delight

It is definitely not me. I have never played WoW. I don't know why anyone would claim to be me.

[Nirgon]

They are asking the red community to come to green guys

Let's give it to them and be pals

See you in general community chat after launch!

[DRAGONBAIT]

ducks_underneath
920 points ·
16 hours ago

The thing that gets me the most is the level of distaste the mods seem to have for members of the sub.

I understand that there's a small subset of users who have doxxed/harassed mods, and I get why you'd be angry at them.

But when a majority of the mods seem to at best feel vastly superior to, and at worse actually hate, the members of the subreddit they're moderating, then it's clearly a problem.


tldr : saw this on reddit and sounded right on point, familiar. Difference is here and in eqemu people praise p99 devs for being dickheads. Not even thinking about what means to keep to urself p99 code so noone else can open an accurate classic server of a game thousands of people love from their childhood.


best regards, ill enjoy my ban ; )

[stewe]

The fact is, if they dont get the donations needed red would be the first server to go, does red ever even have more then 100 ppl on at one time

[heartbrand]

The fact is, if they dont get the donations needed red would be the first server to go, does red ever even have more then 100 ppl on at one time

It doesn’t even have more than 25 on

[Gustoo]

Toons need to be dumped to blue.

Rallos zek actual replica with held item loot rules and player fear and charm launch with green for the full chaos (actual live timeline adhered to)

OR discord permadeath launch with green

I don't want gustoo to go to blue any more than blue wants the red players dumped on blue but its wrong to just leave this broken rules stillborn server floundering when it could easily get revitalized (for a time)

[Vidar]

they could also just close it, since they dont give a shit

Explain how they dont give a shit? im curious

[White_knight]

Lol.

Poor people still hanging on....poor people who spent thr last 3 years farming pixels non-stop on 50 pop box.

Glad I threw the towel in 3 years ago.

[Bondrake]

There is nothing more pathetic than people who play Red. You can feel the desperation within their posts. All those years spent and nobody plays on the server. Sad.

[DRAGONBAIT]

they should give us a fresh start too

[quido]

Rise of Zek 2.0 launching late autumn. Gonna be yuge

[DRAGONBAIT]

Rise of Zek 2.0 launching late autumn. Gonna be yuge

No offense, i tried zek when it was some weeks in, enjoyed it, everquest is enjoyable if u can box also but it had several non classic tweaks, nothing against it. Its an awesome effort and my hopes are that somewhere in the future we (the eq classic pvp community) will have a pretty decent p99 quality level pvp server where we all can start fresh and do something good, better than what we did on this box.

Honestly cant stop thinking about it, in my spare time im not playing anything atm, thinking about green and gettin hyped on a fresh classic experience but as soon as i realize that i will be farming pixels for nothing its like...meh. Does blue have any kind of pvp action in the sort of tournaments or something like that? maybe that could do it for me

[Gustoo]

Yeah its hard to be motivated. The fresh green situation is super fun and classic era is the best, but I just can't help but not give a shit about gear at all on blue server because PVE is not hard and I don't need to brag about pixels.

Pixels are fun when they make your character able to play with different strategies and survive differently.

Or whatever. PVP just spices it up. Sux this server had such a rough life.

[Demoraliser]

Please submit all screenshots before ditching.
The free AoN's must be preserved.

[Tassador]

Yeah its hard to be motivated. The fresh green situation is super fun and classic era is the best, but I just can't help but not give a shit about gear at all on blue server because PVE is not hard and I don't need to brag about pixels.

Pixels are fun when they make your character able to play with different strategies and survive differently.

Or whatever. PVP just spices it up. Sux this server had such a rough life.

Pretty much. I mean imagine pve same ai in 2019. If you played EQ the only challenge is going to be the 600 people exping in guk that you cant fucking kill.

[Tradesonred]

Yeah its hard to be motivated. The fresh green situation is super fun and classic era is the best, but I just can't help but not give a shit about gear at all on blue server because PVE is not hard and I don't need to brag about pixels.

Pixels are fun when they make your character able to play with different strategies and survive differently.

Or whatever. PVP just spices it up. Sux this server had such a rough life.

A big mistake was leaving the keys to people like Sirken who did shockingly bad stuff like Nerf xp to the tune of "We gotta lose pop before we gain it". At least thats what it appeared like from the outside. Maybe he was just the spokesperson, not sure.

Another mistake was letting people grief the fuck out of casuals when server started out until server went from 600 to roughly 200 after a few months. People like me tried to scream for months to remove xp loss but what the fuck did we peasants know.

It made the worst people kings of the server by default because nobody wanted to even try to challenge them. By the time xp loss was cut, server was already railed for failure by lack of pop and gear gap.

[Eggbell]

The main reason I prefer red is none of the absurd camping.

There really should be an alternative rule-set. Like trading kills on a camped mob. But hogging a mob all to oneself for long periods of time is ridiculous.

PvP shenanigans are great as well and I'm actually fine with no item loss, just gold.

[Izmael]

The problem with Red is that Velious created such a gear gap between newcomers and established players, potential newcomers ended up just not bothering. Without new blood influx, population disappeared.

At this point, wiping it and keeping it in classic forever could make sense.

[Palemoon]

A big mistake was leaving the keys to people like Sirken who did shockingly bad stuff like Nerf xp to the tune of "We gotta lose pop before we gain it". At least thats what it appeared like from the outside. Maybe he was just the spokesperson, not sure.

Another mistake was letting people grief the fuck out of casuals when server started out until server went from 600 to roughly 200 after a few months. People like me tried to scream for months to remove xp loss but what the fuck did we peasants know.

It made the worst people kings of the server by default because nobody wanted to even try to challenge them. By the time xp loss was cut, server was already railed for failure by lack of pop and gear gap.

No, you just wanted ez mode. You leveled up on that broken dwarf in butcher block (ive already forgotten what exactly was broken with him, maybe re-spawned too fast)

Its rich that someone that played a shaman, and abused a broken spawn, still thought the xp was too hard.

The insignificant xp loss on pvp death reduced mindless bind zerg rushing.

Some people just can't handle classic xp I guess.

[Gustoo]

Ouch

[AenorVZ]

Wipe it clean 2019

[coolget]

anyone remember how hard empire griefed fresh because they were scared to death of competition during velious then after BIS Gearing their team of stay at home sons they were bored and cried they had no one to fight?

Lol , losers

nihilum 2.0

if i had known that playing this video game would have had this kind of lasting psychological damage, i might not have played

i'm sorry for what we did to you

[DRAGONBAIT]

The insignificant xp loss on pvp death reduced mindless bind zerg rushing.



that + no LNS is a recipe for disaster my friend, naked bind rushing is annoying, corpse camping + exp death = griefed out.

u choose i see

[Videri]

anyone remember how hard empire griefed fresh because they were scared to death of competition during velious then after BIS Gearing their team of stay at home sons they were bored and cried they had no one to fight?

Lol , losers

nihilum 2.0

I thought Ship was Tomatoking. But was he in <Fresh>?

if i had known that playing this video game would have had this kind of lasting psychological damage, i might not have played

i'm sorry for what we did to you

Oho! You do read these forums. Hi coolget.

[Tradesonred]

No, you just wanted ez mode. You leveled up on that broken dwarf in butcher block (ive already forgotten what exactly was broken with him, maybe re-spawned too fast)

Its rich that someone that played a shaman, and abused a broken spawn, still thought the xp was too hard.

The insignificant xp loss on pvp death reduced mindless bind zerg rushing.

Some people just can't handle classic xp I guess.

I was working at the same time, /shrug.

I could handle it, i leveled to 60. Through all the grief gank trains. Its all the casuals that quit before they could get a foot in and enjoy themselves.

The xp loss was massive, to the point where, like i said, nobody wanted to even try challenging Nihilum in Fear, not even one go. I wanted to do it at least a couple of times, for fun. I cant remember which crew i was with at the time but everyone was basically "why try, theres only xp loss in it for us". And i can understand why. I can remember one time me Andis and a couple of guys tried it.

It doesnt matter if thats how you maintain your fragile male ego that you think youre a real man for pvping through xp loss (im guessing you were on the easy train either on holo at the start or nihilum after, whichever side was dominating atm) the fact is thats how the server was depopulated and it never really recovered.

It was a totally different vibe from Rallos, which had constant pvp in the newb zones, newbs chasing twinks for a chance at a piece of gear and what made it fun.

[DRAGONBAIT]

I was working at the same time, /shrug.

I could handle it, i leveled to 60. Through all the grief gank trains. Its all the casuals that quit before they could get a foot in and enjoy themselves.

The xp loss was massive, to the point where, like i said, nobody wanted to even try challenging Nihilum in Fear, not even one go. I wanted to do it at least a couple of times, for fun. I cant remember which crew i was with at the time but everyone was basically "why try, theres only xp loss in it for us". And i can understand why. I can remember one time me Andis and a couple of guys tried it.

It doesnt matter if thats how you maintain your fragile male ego that you think youre a real man for pvping through xp loss (im guessing you were on the easy train either on holo at the start or nihilum after, whichever side was dominating atm) the fact is thats how the server was depopulated and it never really recovered.

It was a totally different vibe from Rallos, which had constant pvp in the newb zones, newbs chasing twinks for a chance at a piece of gear and what made it fun.


+1. completely agree with this dude. Eq pvp is a tool, in a heavy itemized game pvp is a tool to fight over long ass camps, good exp spots, plat farming spots etc. if u cant compete somewhere u got tons of content to keep grinding and compete in the future. PvP in eq is not meant to compete arena wise etc. Death in eq already means something, so being able to kill other PCs is enough for what i mentioned before, thou item loot and exp loss just adds as griefing tools.

U a pvper or a griefer? we all know theres both choices

[Tassador]

Ship has to be tomato. And nobody cares about ecoli or his garbage eating comic books selling thoughts. Cooler gates did some good work here.

[coolget]

Hi coolget.

hi

[coolget]

i said sorry dude

[Krone90]

Poster aBovE me haS maN giRl heRo as AvatAR!

big LAFF! you mean Cloud?...... jesus =/

[Tradesonred]

+1. completely agree with this dude. Eq pvp is a tool, in a heavy itemized game pvp is a tool to fight over long ass camps, good exp spots, plat farming spots etc. if u cant compete somewhere u got tons of content to keep grinding and compete in the future. PvP in eq is not meant to compete arena wise etc. Death in eq already means something, so being able to kill other PCs is enough for what i mentioned before, thou item loot and exp loss just adds as griefing tools.

U a pvper or a griefer? we all know theres both choices

What should have happened is a reset after the guards were fixed with no xp loss. My camp arguing for no xp loss was in the minority because the rest thought it was too satisfying to grief people off the server. I mean, that expression was all over the forums, grief people off the server. From a RMT viewpoint in retrospect, nihilum was also militant against it on the forum because it would have meant they could have been challenged and would have slowed down the pixel flow. The fact that this was not picked up by the devs or GMs before it was too late demonstrates negligence/they didnt care/didnt have the resource and time to care/GMs making money on RMT on their part.

Personally i was sad my idea wasnt picked up: Add item loss with periodical events that drop unlootable gear. It would have created both an organic way to create pvp events (like the madness that was the halloween event of Rallos in 2001) and a buffer for the harshness of item loot. It would also have created a good economy because people would always be buying pieces of gear here and there. With the RMT debacle, im wondering if that wasnt a factor in it, because RMT woulda been dead on an item loot server. Just xp loss removal and reset woulda been fine as a basic solution for a vibrant, populated server for the long run but the griefers got what they wanted: Their dead server from which they squeezed every drop of grief juice and RMT from it.

[Chortles Snort|eS]

you mean Cloud?...... jesus =/

https://i.imgur.com/I4nJfD6.jpg

[iamnotsalem]

Lol dragonbait, tomatoking, ecoli. All trash at this game. Cya

[Chortles Snort|eS]

https://i.imgur.com/b82rwVV.png

[DRAGONBAIT]

Lol dragonbait, tomatoking, ecoli. All trash at this game. Cya

man, i didnt mean to kill all ur 55ish farming alts, im sorry