Best new aggro setups

[Troxx]

The 2h dmg bonus patch is now in. With the spell proc nerf how does that shuffle the balance?

[Raev]

The 2H epic is going to see a renaissance and will be BIS as long as the Blade of Carnage stays nerfed, unless your goal is roll on Green and farm SoDs. The problem Warriors have is that is the best 2H with a decent aggro proc. Even with better ratios Gaudralek & Palladius come in at 71 hate/sec vs the 2H epic's 79.

I'm going to have to get used to using FD on my monk a lot more, though. Abashi's is going to generate nearly 80 hate/sec. #opmonks

P.S. I look forward to Rog/Rng/Shd/Enc/Wiz/Clr Tomtee

[Troxx]

Warrior epic: https://wiki.project1999.com/Jagged_Blade_of_War

better than https://wiki.project1999.com/Frostreaver for raw aggro?

What about Vyemm's: https://wiki.project1999.com/Gaudralek,_Sword_of_the_Sky

[Raev]

Gaudralek as mentioned is only 71 hate/sec. I was extremely disappointed to learn this weapon had no stun proc, just a DD. Warriors with any of the NTOV 2Hs should put out serious damage, though.

Good call on Frostreaver; it does have a stun proc and clocks in just under the epic in terms of raw hate due to the inferior proc (525 vs 675 hate) but does a bit more damage with the superior ratio. I'd say the epic is still bis due to the vastly superior stats, but my calculator still likes Frostreaver more than the Willsapper/Blade of Strategy combo for both damage and hate (of course, 35% slow on Willsapper can't be underestimated) and it's much easier to obtain. So I think we will see a lot more Frostreaver warrior twinks soon!

[Trelaboon]

I didn’t think that a Warriors got a 2 handed upgrade? I have a 60 epic Warrior, but it’s one of my lesser played Alts. How did this patch make the Jagged Blade of a War so good? I hope that’s true because I love the epic two handed and wish I could wear it more lol

[Dillusional]

The warrior epic is a real weapon now. The red blade can be moved to the offhand where that 14/24 ratio isn't so pathetic.

[Dillusional]

The 2H epic is going to see a renaissance and will be BIS as long as the Blade of Carnage stays nerfed, unless your goal is roll on Green and farm SoDs. The problem Warriors have is that is the best 2H with a decent aggro proc. Even with better ratios Gaudralek & Palladius come in at 71 hate/sec vs the 2H epic's 79.

I'm going to have to get used to using FD on my monk a lot more, though. Abashi's is going to generate nearly 80 hate/sec. #opmonks

P.S. I look forward to Rog/Rng/Shd/Enc/Wiz/Clr Tomtee


so if the new damage bonus is 32 at 60 for a 38 delay weapon , that gives us 75 agroe per swing on guadralek and a 179 agroe proc since it's only a DD

((60/3.8) * (43 + 32)) + 179 * 2 = 1542.21 1542.21/60 = 25.7 hate per second....

I guess I didn't use any haste in the math.... but yeah sword of the sky is definitely not an agroe weapon

[Dillusional]

Gaudralek as mentioned is only 71 hate/sec. I was extremely disappointed to learn this weapon had no stun proc, just a DD. Warriors with any of the NTOV 2Hs should put out serious damage, though.


It seems like warrior DPS was nerfed "moved off the rogue table", so even with new 2hand damage bonuses, we are putting out less DPS than before the last patch.

[Raev]

Scepter of Destruction ((60/1.8) * (12 + 11)) + 688 * 2 = 2142.67 hate per minute on average

You are forgetting haste and double attack. Fixing those gives ((1.6*(60/0.9) * (12 + 11)) + 688 * 2)/60 = 63 hate/sec from a SoD in the primary.

The 'damage tables' in EQ are pretty pointless; it only affects the absolute max you can hit for and the vast majority of hits are not for max. Monks were supposed to actually get a damage table upgrade IIRC, so I guess the monk tables were much too high before.

but yeah sword of the sky is definitely not an agroe weapon
It was indeed terrible. But if you try it now, it should be roughly equal to an Epic/Shissar setup while delivering a lot more damage.

How did this patch make the Jagged Blade of a War so good?

The patch hugely increased the damage bonus for two handed weapons. Since the damage bonus goes straight to hate generated, it increased hate generation for 2H more than it increased damage for 2H. And damage for 2H went up a lot.

[Dillusional]

During the quake last night, I was using guadralek to DPS in ToV and the numbers looked lower than I was used to seeing. Not definitive proof but I felt nerfed. If it really only was max hits it was affecting, maybe it was all in my head.

[Troxx]

I picked up a Frostreaver yesterday and was pleasantly surprised by its performance. Giving up 1/3 of my procs is never nice but the melee threat more than makes up for it on average.

[Troxx]

Yeah after some more horsing around Frostreaver is my new primary aggro setup until I upgrade to Willsapper/epic. Infestation + other was and still is nice for that extra chance at an early proc (3 procs per minute vs 2) but the white damage threat on Frostreaver paired with its 125dd/stun seems to make it the clear winner averaged over time along with early into the fight before the first proc. The dmg bonus changes are nice.

Plus, as a Dwarf, it makes me feel more dwarfly and impresses the ladies magnificently when I barrel roll.

[Troxx]

This also begs the question just how good aggro on Truncheon of Doom is now.

33/44 procs 50% slow and 9 poison counters

https://wiki.project1999.com/Truncheon_of_Doom

[enjchanter]

This also begs the question just how good aggro on Truncheon of Doom is now.

33/44 procs 50% slow and 9 poison counters

https://wiki.project1999.com/Truncheon_of_Doom

Pre epic , when I was leveling, I actually found it to be a decent tanking weapon.

Slow proc obviously decent for aggro and you hit fairly hard with it. Just make sure your haste is sorted

[Solist]

I don't see whats so hard about making a spreadsheet. None of this is subjective.

[Legidias]

Then make one yourself if it isn't hard

[Zemus]

here

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WjyFoAuqCrhWKdMKTSRAWsF8SlBQHhOS0EZu-kendZM/edit?usp=sharing

[enjchanter]

Okay so red sword and shissar still best after all this time

[Zemus]

Okay so red sword and shissar still best after all this time

Shissar means Sword of the Shissar to me, not Feaverblade, bane of the Shissar. /shrug

According to my (possibly flawed) calcs:

Feaverblade primary, red sword secondary if you don't have SoD's is best agro per second. Nerfing proc hate to 400 max (excluding epic that is 500) really hurt velious weapons.

Other factors to consider: Held stats, DPS, clickies.

[Troxx]

here

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WjyFoAuqCrhWKdMKTSRAWsF8SlBQHhOS0EZu-kendZM/edit?usp=sharing

Oh nice. Frostreaver is more or less identical aggro to willsapper/epic over time for threat and close to 10% better than what I had.

Nobody ever thinks about this little gem:

https://wiki.project1999.com/Nevederia%27s_Horn

10/15 offhand only procs double debuffs and a dot.

[Naethyn]

Zlandicar's Broken Claw is super good aggro.

[Naethyn]

Oh nice. Frostreaver is more or less identical aggro to willsapper/epic over time for threat and close to 10% better than what I had.

Nobody ever thinks about this little gem:

https://wiki.project1999.com/Nevederia%27s_Horn

10/15 offhand only procs double debuffs and a dot.

Nev horn is terrible aggro because it doesn't include a -AC debuff.

[Troxx]

Nev horn is terrible aggro because it doesn't include a -AC debuff.

Good to know, thanks

[Zemus]

Zlandicar's Broken Claw is super good aggro.

This is no longer true due to the February 10th 2019 patch

Haynar: Capped non-damage hate component for out of class procs/clickies to 400 hate.

This was later revised to exclude warrior epic proc.

[bradsamma]

That includes the epic proc now?

[Bbeta]

My warrior has Sword of the Shissar and Epic. I dont think its the best but i will be putting shissar main hand and red blade off hand for aggro now.

[aaezil]

I mean good tanks use nets or other clicks for aggro

[Sonderbeast]

This is a good thread. I was too lazy to think about this since the patch. glad to know 2hand war epic is good now. I just assumed WS/Red blade was the new go-to.

[meritt]

What is the formula for calculating 2H damage bonus now?

[Goodest]

here

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WjyFoAuqCrhWKdMKTSRAWsF8SlBQHhOS0EZu-kendZM/edit?usp=sharing

/\ the aggro and bonuses are in there.

[Solist]

Only sad part about all this is just how nerfed aggro is now compared to prior. Feverblade+WESS was just so much more aggro than anything else possible on the server and now both sit in bank. Going from that to even now feverblade+red, red+shissar, sapper+red is just so much shittier playing a warrior.

Best part is the 2H looks great, and it’s comparatively not terrible so fashion wins.

[Troxx]

Yeah prior to patch infestation with 3 poison counters was more than 900 threat per proc. WESS with 4 poison counters, blind and debuff was an insane 2k or more per proc.

[Crede]

Only sad part about all this is just how nerfed aggro is now compared to prior. Feverblade+WESS was just so much more aggro than anything else possible on the server and now both sit in bank. Going from that to even now feverblade+red, red+shissar, sapper+red is just so much shittier playing a warrior.

Best part is the 2H looks great, and it’s comparatively not terrible so fashion wins.

Warriors shouldnt be aggro machines. That’s what knights are for. People just need to learn to let them build aggro first before going all in on dps. That’s the real issue.

[bradsamma]

Yeah prior to patch infestation with 3 poison counters was more than 900 threat per proc. WESS with 4 poison counters, blind and debuff was an insane 2k or more per proc.

People running around with WESS's in their offhand now drive me crazy.

[Troxx]

People running around with WESS's in their offhand now drive me crazy.

It’s still a decent weapon. The proc is still as strong as most other procs. Ac, resists, and stats are decent and considering offhand ratio is significantly less important 11/23 isn’t “bad”.

It’s not good, but not bad.

You have to be careful with the proc but the blind does have the benefit of working like root vs casters not in melee range. If blind they mob will not run off to hit a caster. They’ll turn and hit folks in melee range still.

[bradsamma]

It’s still a decent weapon. The proc is still as strong as most other procs. Ac, resists, and stats are decent and considering offhand ratio is significantly less important 11/23 isn’t “bad”.

It’s not good, but not bad.

You have to be careful with the proc but the blind does have the benefit of working like root vs casters not in melee range. If blind they mob will not run off to hit a caster. They’ll turn and hit folks in melee range still.

Frostbringer is cheaper, has a higher agro proc, better ratio, more DPS, and doesn't make mobs run off. It's also cheaper.

This goes doubly so with raids.

The only pro is that it procs at level 1.

[Troxx]

Frostbringer is cheaper, has a higher agro proc, better ratio, more DPS, and doesn't make mobs run off. It's also cheaper.

This goes doubly so with raids.

The only pro is that it procs at level 1.

No arguments with any of the above.

[Snaggles]

Is the Sarnak Warhammer decent for an off-hander now that procs are normalized? Stun is always handy.

[bradsamma]

I would say that it is superior in almost every way if you're high enough level to make it proc.

[nasgul]

If one had a Sarnak Warhammer, Silken Whip of Ensaring, Lamentation, and Frostbringer...best agro/dps combo Sarnak in main, FB in offhand??

[Snaggles]

If one had a Sarnak Warhammer, Silken Whip of Ensaring, Lamentation, and Frostbringer...best agro/dps combo Sarnak in main, FB in offhand??

12/22 with a dd/AC debuff is really good dps. Pretty close to 12/21 I’d guess. I’d offhand the Sarnak for aggro since both procs are now about the same threat. Maybe switch for caster mobs since stun might kill a nasty spell.

[bradsamma]

FB in main. Sarnak OH for agro. Silken Whip offhand for DPS.

[Sonderbeast]

People running around with WESS's in their offhand now drive me crazy.

Seems like WESS aggro still works for bradsamma.