Backstab and haste questions

[deven1313]

Concerning backstab damage, the wiki has this info:

Backstab uses a weapon damage multiplier of: 2 + (Skill * 0.02).
((Offense + (Str up to 200) + (str over 200 / 5)) * WepDmg * Mult) / 100

I'm 51 with a Ragebringer, so plugging in my stats I get:
((215 + 200 + (55 / 5)) * 15 * (2 + (203 * 0.02))) / 100 = 387

However, I recently got two backstabs for 459 in the same night. How could I have gotten 459 when the maximum should be 387?

Also, is there any worn/wielded haste items that will stack with the Ragebringer's haste? I'm pretty sure the answer is no from what I've read, but there was a thread where a guy was using a RBG along with his epic and I couldn't understand why.

*edit* Forgot my last question. The wiki says this about level 50+ traits:
"Level 53 - Minimum Backstab Damage"
What does this mean?

[wagorf]

there's only that many droppable waist items for melees, and rbg is a good one considering its stats. for example my monk is using rbg AND cof

unless you want to shed more plat for turtle belt, or go cheap with spider fur belt/thick banded belt

i also have the same question with lvl 53 minimum backstab, because my backstab at 53 can go as low as 79 points of dmg where as at 52 my lowest was around 77 or 78

[Cecily]

51+ guide isn’t very good.

Here you go:

Lv 10-50: minimum backstab = level
Lv 51-54: minimum backstab = level * 1.50, sneak speed+
Lv 55-59: minimum backstab = level * 1.75, double backstab
Lv 60: minimum backstab = level * 2, sneak speed cap, assassinate, 100% haste cap

You’ll sneak a little bit faster each level after 51. 54 or 56 you’ll break into a jog and will eventually be close to full run speed at 60.

[jolanar]

51+ guide isn’t very good.

Here you go:

Lv 10-50: minimum backstab = level
Lv 51-54: minimum backstab = level * 1.50, sneak speed+
Lv 55-59: minimum backstab = level * 1.75, double backstab
Lv 60: minimum backstab = level * 2, sneak speed cap, assassinate, 100% haste cap

You’ll sneak a little bit faster each level after 51. 54 or 56 you’ll break into a jog and will eventually be close to full run speed at 60.

When you say 100% haste cap at 60, does that mean there is haste caps at lower levels?

[Bondrake]

When you say 100% haste cap at 60, does that mean there is haste caps at lower levels?

Yes there is, it's on the wiki somewhere.

[Jimjam]

When you say 100% haste cap at 60, does that mean there is haste caps at lower levels?

Yes, essentially the gist of it is you cap haste with a 20% tier haste if you group with an enchanter about equal or slightly higher level than you. If you want to function close to haste cap with lesser haste spells you'll need a haste item better than fbss tier. Roughly.

Check the Haste Guide wiki for more exact details.

[jolanar]

On live there are separate caps for worn and spell haste. Is that not true here? The wiki only has data for total haste and doesn't separate the two.

[deven1313]

there's only that many droppable waist items for melees, and rbg is a good one considering its stats. ...

So rogues would wear a RBG even though the haste won't stack with the Ragebringer? Since the haste won't stack with the epic, all your left with are the belt's stats which don't seem to warrant the cost of 18k. Am I missing something?

[Legidias]

While haste is a major component, its just for lack of a better item to go there at that price range. Turtle belt is pretty good too, but it costs like 5x RBG price.

[deven1313]

TBB seems like a better choice than RBG with +15 STR. And, it's only 2k vs. 18k.

[Legidias]

No hp or sta for when you need it

[deven1313]

My experience with being a rogue (mid-50s,) so far is, I rarely need HPs. And if I am getting beat on hard, that usually means things have gone really bad and I don't think the additional HPs from the RBG will make a difference. But, I guess if had 18k with nothing better to buy, I'd get one. Just seems like an extreme price for such little gain.

[Legidias]

It's more for buffer against AE

[wagorf]

So rogues would wear a RBG even though the haste won't stack with the Ragebringer? Since the haste won't stack with the epic, all your left with are the belt's stats which don't seem to warrant the cost of 18k. Am I missing something?

i never said rogues should wear rbg, im just pointing out a fact

this is the reality of eq, you pay a premium for a slight upgrade once you get to a certain point

some melee stats belts on top of my head: spider fur belt, tbb, rbg, rbb, belt of great turtle

if you want to debate whether rbg stats warrants 18k cost, there are tons of other examples - why get hiero cloak/lodi shield when cloak of maelstrom is relatively good and much cheaper, why get +6 neck when you can wear dragoon tooth choker, why eye of narandi when there is idol of thorn; why living thunder earring when there is fingerbone hoop

[Cecily]

TBB seems like a better choice than RBG with +15 STR. And, it's only 2k vs. 18k.

TBB is an amazing belt for leveling, but not a great belt for raiding. STR value plummets when you get 183 to cap w/ maniacal and being able to take a few AEs switches focus to resist+hp. RBG has the best overall stats, worn moreso for these stats instead of the haste, until you can get a turtle / dwarf belt.

[Cecily]

i never said rogues should wear rbg, im just pointing out a fact

this is the reality of eq, you pay a premium for a slight upgrade once you get to a certain point

some melee stats belts on top of my head: spider fur belt, tbb, rbg, rbb, belt of great turtle

if you want to debate whether rbg stats warrants 18k cost, there are tons of other examples - why get hiero cloak/lodi shield when cloak of maelstrom is relatively good and much cheaper, why get +6 neck when you can wear dragoon tooth choker, why eye of narandi when there is idol of thorn; why living thunder earring when there is fingerbone hoop

The fun thing is that a geared to the teeth rogue is just as effective as a goodwill rogue with smart gear choices who can live through an encounter. Rogues don't require a fortune to opperate at max or near max efficiency.

[enjchanter]

The fun thing is that a geared to the teeth rogue is just as effective as a goodwill rogue with smart gear choices who can live through an encounter. Rogues don't require a fortune to opperate at max or near max efficiency.

My rogue doesnt wear pants

[Cecily]

My rogue doesnt wear pants


Min/maxing!

[Ravager]

Pants are for poindexters.