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garfo
08-17-2019, 10:12 AM
Does anyone have a link to this? I'm having trouble tracking it down.

Also! Question: is it worth buying Poxx at 59 or should I save up the cash for Torpor at 60 and then get poxx after?

Wendak
08-17-2019, 10:16 AM
Does anyone have a link to this? I'm having trouble tracking it down.

Also! Question: is it worth buying Poxx at 59 or should I save up the cash for Torpor at 60 and then get poxx after?

Prioritize Torpor. But Poxx is a lot better than Bane of Nife IMO for soloing, so definitely work on getting Poxx after Torpor.

garfo
08-17-2019, 10:21 AM
Prioritize Torpor. But Poxx is a lot better than Bane of Nife IMO for soloing, so definitely work on getting Poxx after Torpor.

Got it. What about Malo? After torpor, would you say Poxx or Malo is next?

Xenmir
08-17-2019, 10:25 AM
Malo for sure

Wallicker
08-17-2019, 10:26 AM
Malo helps land slow and poison dots it’s definitely after torpor.

bradsamma
08-17-2019, 11:03 AM
Soloing a +6dragon?

Lojik
08-17-2019, 11:53 AM
Torpor>Malo>bane>pox

loramin
08-17-2019, 11:56 AM
Torpor>Malo>bane>pox

In general this, but as has already been mentioned pox is actually better for the really long fights like WW Dragons or TwentyTwo in PoM.

Either way though, Bane/Pox are probably not necessary. I haven't actually done WW dragons solo myself, but every other hard Shaman fight can be done with just Torpor, slow, Malo/Malosi, pet, and epic, so I imagine the same is true for them.

Really when it comes to Shaman soloing, you "win" by keeping slow and your HP/Mana up. That should just be your entire mentality for the fight: make sure you reslow at proper intervals, and otherwise keep HP/Mana high.

You'll do auto-attack and pet damage no matter what, so eventually the mob will die (and if you can sneak epics or even mana-based DoTs in then great, it will go faster), but what truly is important is you staying alive the whole time. That means re-landing slow early and often, in case you get resists (and also re-doing Malo/Malosi for really long fights), along with lots of Torpor + Canning ... not focusing on DoTs.

P.S. Oh and of course make sure you fight the right WW dragons: some are definitely not Shaman soloable :)

Wendak
08-17-2019, 12:08 PM
Torpor>Malo>bane>pox

I don’t really understand why Bane > Poxx

Poxx is better Damage per Mana, lasts around the same amount of time as your epic (18 and 15 ticks respectively). There are some cases where Bane is better (kills are happening quicker etc), but primarily I find Poxx is always a better go to for efficiency.

shortshot444
08-17-2019, 12:40 PM
I would assume bane would be used over pox because malo, malosini doesn't effect disease. Keeping malosini , tash (stick) , and slow for the fight can be a big part. Can still debuff disease to around -40 i think, so it could come down to preference or situation.

Droxx
08-17-2019, 12:53 PM
I don’t really understand why Bane > Poxx

Poxx is better Damage per Mana, lasts around the same amount of time as your epic (18 and 15 ticks respectively). There are some cases where Bane is better (kills are happening quicker etc), but primarily I find Poxx is always a better go to for efficiency.

I find a lot more things 50+ resist Pox than Bane (even with Insidious Decay), presumably because Malosini is -60 PR while Insidious Decay is -40 DR.

Wendak
08-17-2019, 02:16 PM
I find a lot more things 50+ resist Pox than Bane (even with Insidious Decay), presumably because Malosini is -60 PR while Insidious Decay is -40 DR.

Fair. I haven’t had too much issue with Poxx being resisted, but I haven’t done many crazy high end soloing.

Lojik
08-17-2019, 02:55 PM
Speaking from experience killing ww dragons, pox was resisted more often (anecdotal) and also required additional debuff spell. Bane wears off fast enough that there's not usually enough instances where you have time to do pox/bane/epic/torpor, and it's often good enough to just throw in a jbb nuke when you get a chance. Also there's something to be said for the greater DPS of bane (esp since you don't want a pet v. Dragons,) even though dpm in perfect instances isn't as good as pox.

Xenmir
08-18-2019, 10:54 AM
Speaking from experience killing ww dragons, pox was resisted more often (anecdotal) and also required additional debuff spell. Bane wears off fast enough that there's not usually enough instances where you have time to do pox/bane/epic/torpor, and it's often good enough to just throw in a jbb nuke when you get a chance. Also there's something to be said for the greater DPS of bane (esp since you don't want a pet v. Dragons,) even though dpm in perfect instances isn't as good as pox.

Why no pet v Dragons? Never soloed them myself.

Jimjam
08-18-2019, 11:03 AM
I guess AOE means it doesn't do the damage per summon to justify the mana or time?

Ostepop
08-18-2019, 11:28 AM
Pet causes the dragons to rampage. Combined with dispell AE you can't really keep it alive.

Kinaki
08-18-2019, 04:05 PM
I find a lot more things 50+ resist Pox than Bane (even with Insidious Decay), presumably because Malosini is -60 PR while Insidious Decay is -40 DR.

Insidious Malady (https://wiki.project1999.com/Insidious_Malady)