Low Level Questions on Courtesy

[Arakash]

When I'm running towards someone and they're running towards me (does anyone walk in EQ?), should I veer to my right or to my left, or should I just run right through them for a moment of nerd oneness?

What is the point of stealth buffs? My low level necro (level 11) was exploring the Warrens (it's been years since I've been there) learning the ropes on solo dungeon crawling when out of the blue, no hello, no conversation or greeting whatsoever, a well-meaning druid cast some level 50 buffs on me. Suddenly, I had a thorny shield and some other buffs and what was once a challenging area (for my level) of the dungeon was trivialized. I clicked off the god-mode buffs but then he proceeded to buff me again still without saying a word. It was actually quite disruptive. I've found these stealth buffs to be the oddest and even the creepiest thing about low level zones.

[Thomacles]

Really? Whining about receiving buffs? Maybe you need to find a single player game.

Or better yet, app to ALS.....You'd fit right in........

[garfo]

You should definitely consider joining the ALS guild.

Also: it's not considered rude in the p99 community for a higher level player to cast unsolicited buffs on lower level players. In fact, most normal people in your position would have sent a tell to the druid thanking him or her. If you didn't want buffs, you were free to tell the druid thanks but no thanks?

[Halfcell]

This post must be a troll. No actual human is so poorly raised as to be angered by unsolicited kindness from a stranger right?

[Arakash]

You should definitely consider joining the ALS guild.

Also: it's not considered rude in the p99 community for a higher level player to cast unsolicited buffs on lower level players.

Ah thanks, that's what I was wondering about. The stealth part rather than the buffs. I wasn't trying to be ungrateful. I just wondered about the lack of communication mostly.

I get trying to lend a hand, but it really does change the game for untwinked low levels with such powerful buffs. It's really two different games. I guess it's just expected that without an ALS tag most lowbies are trying to blow through low level content.

[reznor_]

This post must be a troll. No actual human is so poorly raised as to be angered by unsolicited kindness from a stranger right?

This is p99, please remember that we're populated by the dregs of humanity.

[Crawdad]

When I'm running towards someone and they're running towards me (does anyone walk in EQ?), should I veer to my right or to my left, or should I just run right through them for a moment of nerd oneness?

Nobody really cares. Nobody really RP walks, if you see someone walking its usually due to encumbrance.

What is the point of stealth buffs? My low level necro (level 11) was exploring the Warrens (it's been years since I've been there) learning the ropes on solo dungeon crawling when out of the blue, no hello, no conversation or greeting whatsoever, a well-meaning druid cast some level 50 buffs on me. Suddenly, I had a thorny shield and some other buffs and what was once a challenging area (for my level) of the dungeon was trivialized. I clicked off the god-mode buffs but then he proceeded to buff me again still without saying a word.
We buff you to be nice, as you say low levels can be painful and generally people want them. Buffs in EQ make a huge difference, an aspect that isn't in most MMOs these days. If you don't want them click them off, we have no way of telling. Most people 1) just want to be nice and 2) don't particularly want to spark a real conversation. Say thanks/thanks but no thanks and move on.

It was actually quite disruptive. I've found these stealth buffs to be the oddest and even the creepiest thing about low level zones.
This is the oddest and most perplexing take I've seen in a while. Maybe on par with people who get annoyed with ALS rules, but somehow weirder.

[Videri]

Try thinking of it from the other side: you're going through a zone on your druid and you see another player progressing. You can cast one or more buffs on them, which will assist them and speed up their progress, as well as serve as a little gesture of goodwill. You know most players prefer buffs; and you know that players who wish to play without high-level buffs can simply click them off. Would you ask for permission to buff them (which 99% of the time will be met with "yes, please, thank you") or would you just start casting and go about your EQ session?

In short, just click off buffs. But I betcha later on, as the leveling slows down, you'll be glad when you have a little extra HP or runspeed.

[Dolalin]

Bitching about powergaming is very classic tbf. :D


Monday, June 28, 1999 9:39:28 PM

Thanks for your submissions to the EQ Glossary. Normally, I prefer to
receive these privately, but since you asked publically (and since a few
others have asked):

re: Mules/Twinking: During Beta, Muling and Twinking were not approved (as
I understand it). Since no statement ever came out changing that status, I
naturally assumed that it was still the same when I began playing. A GM I
questioned about it shortly after I started confirmed it for me (I wasn't
playing during Beta, just reading the boards), however, since then, several
people have commented that it is not true. Mules and Twinking, while not
specifically approved, will not get the character(s) deleted. Well,
basically, I left the comments in the Glossary in the vain hope that some
newbies might be too afraid to try it, thinking their characters might be
deleted. Since it now appears that nothing will halt, or even slow the
onslaught of powergaming, I have decided to delete the references. It is
apparent that Verant not only approves of powergaming, they thoroughly
encourage it, leaving the slower or more roleplaying among us to twiddle
our thumbs in the dust.

*sighing*
Talies the Wanderer

(for more definitions, see the EverQuest Glossary:
http://amtgard.pinkpig.com/bards/eqglossary.htm)


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[Weidar]

Bitching about powergaming is very classic tbf. :D



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Thank you for that history lesson :)

[Quinas]

Bitching about powergaming is very classic tbf. :D



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Yikes.

[Halfcell]

Bitching about powergaming is very classic tbf. :D



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Talies the Wanderer sounds like a fun guy at parties.

To the OP, I am sure if you post your character name in this thread no one will ever make the mistake of buffing you again.

[nostalgiaquest]

You know you can click buffs off right?

[Jlpstrtkng]

ALS does have some weird ass rules. Tried to buy an item off one of them and apparently guild rules dictate they can’t sell “outside their guild charter”

[fortior]

yeah ALS has a self contained economy and it's very strictly enforced.

[Fuzy]

This post must be a troll. No actual human is so poorly raised as to be angered by unsolicited kindness from a stranger right?

You’ve really opened up a can of worms with this one.

[Legidias]

Imagine a homeless guy on the street raging at someone who tossed him $5.

[Arakash]

Imagine a homeless guy on the street raging at someone who tossed him $5.

Imagine looking like a homeless guy on the street and wondering why someone tossed him $5. Is a bit more like it.

You know you can click buffs off right?
He buffed my pet too. Can other players buff pets? I thought only the pet owner could buff his pet.

[Pindrought]

Imagine looking like a homeless guy on the street and wondering why someone tossed him $5. Is a bit more like it.


He buffed my pet too. Can other players buff pets? I thought only the pet owner could buff his pet.

Imagine saving someone from a burning building and them wondering why you saved them.

[Halfcell]

I think the best analogy here is imagine driving down a long desert highway in the summer and seeing someone walking along the road sweating their ass off. You pull over to offer a ride and they guy says "what kind of piece of shit would try to rob me of the experience of walking through the desert alone?"

That guy is a dick and I hope his trek is long and miserable.

[Pindrought]

I think the best analogy here is imagine driving down a long desert highway in the summer and seeing someone walking along the road sweating their ass off. You pull over to offer a ride and they guy says "what kind of piece of shit would try to rob me of the experience of walking through the desert alone?"

That guy is a dick and I hope his trek is long and miserable.

But it's a once in a lifetime experience!

[Arakash]

I think the best analogy here is imagine driving down a long desert highway in the summer and seeing someone walking along the road sweating their ass off. You pull over to offer a ride and they guy says "what kind of piece of shit would try to rob me of the experience of walking through the desert alone?"

That guy is a dick and I hope his trek is long and miserable.

An even better analogy (based on my first post) would be the guy pulls up in the middle of the desert, opens his car door, and doesn't say a word. He just sits there with his car door open staring at me. Would you get in?

It was never the buff I was wondering about, it was the stealthiness of it.

Btw, I did thank the fellow in game before I clicked the buffs off.
Wow! I never knew not wanting a god-mode buff could be so hurtful to so many.

[Thomacles]

I really wonder what the OP would do if he came across a corpse that a higher level player killed and left behind because it was trivial to him, and to have a really good upgrade piece of gear the OP could equip.

I wonder if he would loot it and use it, or would it be, "Oh, I never killed it, so I'm gonna just let this piece rot even though I could use it."

OP: The game will get incredibly harder and more tedious in the later levels. A word of advice: Take all that is offered in goodwill while you can. In the upper levels, you will wish you had.

[Danth]

Btw, I did thank the fellow in game before I clicked the buffs off.
Wow! I never knew not wanting a god-mode buff could be so hurtful to so many.

You aren't getting negative responses for clicking off unwanted buffs. Other players do that. I routinely do it. You're hearing negative comments because you called drive-by buffing "disruptive" or even "creepy" (your words) when in reality it's both common in this game and positively regarded by most the community. What you call the "stealthiness" of it is in reality the simple fact that a lot of folks are too lazy to want to type much. On the other end of it, if you're new to EQ (I notice your 2017 forum join date, but maybe you haven't played much?) and used to other games where such buffing is not commonplace maybe it might indeed seem odd. A lot of newer games built using lessons learned from EQ opted to limit the ability to out-of-group buff players specifically to prevent the trivialization of content that you describe.

Danth

[Achromatic]

When I'm running towards someone and they're running towards me (does anyone walk in EQ?), should I veer to my right or to my left, or should I just run right through them for a moment of nerd oneness?


People here have such poor social skills that if you stand right in front of them, they'll veer slightly to the side, or move 5 feet away from you.

[Tuurin]

This thread reminds me of a funny bit by Dave Chapelle about women who get offended about being treated like a prostitute based on how they are dressed.

Woman: Just because I am dressed this way does not make me a whore.
Dave: That is true. Dressing like that does not make you a whore. However, you are wearing a whore’s uniform. So you can understand where the confusion comes from.