How important is Warrior epic in Velious? [Archive]

Psionide

07-21-2019, 04:16 PM

Trying to decide how important these weapons are given the options available in Velious. Are there more important items that should be focused on since there are a lot of good aggro weapons available in Velious? The stats and resists are nice.

Gumbo

07-21-2019, 04:26 PM

theonesler

07-21-2019, 04:51 PM

If you are in a guild that raids a lot then getting the items should be no problem. Otherwise, you can do better...

I actually disagree with this. The best weapons in velious will be only/most available to the top raiding guilds. Epics are better than most stuff you could get outside of one of the major guilds. Also, epics on warrior are no joke. Red epic (primary hand) is arguably one of the best aggro weaps for a war. So even the best equipped warriors still use it.

So, I would say if you are capable of getting the warrior epic, do it. Although it is is a tough quest.

wagorf

07-21-2019, 10:48 PM

I know a lot of Warriors who like getting the epic just to carry around two light sabers but getting all the items for the epic is another story.

If you are in a guild that raids a lot then getting the items should be no problem. Otherwise, you can do better...

How do you do better. Save up 1 million plat and MAYBE secure loot rights in VP/ToV? Sounds easy to do doesn't it.

aaezil

07-21-2019, 10:53 PM

Since willsapper aggro nerf its probably one of the best or the best aggro weapons outside of wtov/ntov loot for warrior. The resists are also nice bonus.

Legidias

07-21-2019, 10:58 PM

Good thing aggro is based on clickies for raid encounters

Gumbo

07-21-2019, 11:12 PM

How do you do better. Save up 1 million plat and MAYBE secure loot rights in VP/ToV? Sounds easy to do doesn't it.

It's the same question as how do you do a Warrior epic all by yourself? Take the 1 million platinum and buy help?

Lots of guilds do sell the loot rights to No Drop weapons and for decent prices at that...

Legidias

07-22-2019, 08:22 AM

Or you know, be in a guild that does that content and get it in a month after you have DKP?

Danth

07-22-2019, 11:42 AM

Warrior epic isn't critical. It's nice. Difference in aggro generation between it and the common infestation/frostbringer combo is not particularly significant. Warriors can and do tank for virtually all the game's content up to temple veeshan with such weapons. Most people who obtain the epic do so because they like the look, and that's as valid a reason as any to want it.

Danth

bradsamma

07-22-2019, 01:53 PM

Isn't infestation better agro in primary?

Raev

07-22-2019, 02:33 PM

Now that threat is capped at 400, ratio is the primary difference between weapons. The Blade of Strategy, Willsapper, Trident of the Deep Sea, and 'good' VP weapons are all more or less equivalent and generate some 70-75 hate per second on average.

The next tier is the SoD (which you aren't getting; blame Rampage) and the 'real' Blade of Carnage (which you aren't getting; blame Elethia), which generates 90 hate per second.

Once the 2H damage bonus is upgraded, Gaudralek will be roughly comparable threat to the Kunark-ish 1H combos but will do vastly more damage, be more consistent, and have better stats. The Jagged Blade of War should be the best threat option (78/s, a small improvement).

Legday

07-22-2019, 03:19 PM

The real answer is that if you're playing a warrior on this server and you're going to be a high enough level that you can ask this question - yes you should be working on getting your epic. Not because of any of the hate generation aspects already addressed in this thread, but because its probably the single greatest fashionquest item in the game. You might think that when you hit 60 and you're running around with an Infestation and Willsapper that you're going to feel like you've made it, but in true EQ form you will 100% feel like it is not enough and you need light sabers to be considered a real warrior (and you'll be correct.) Never underestimate your own vanity, young tank.

bradsamma

07-22-2019, 03:36 PM

Oh wow, so the WESS is no longer really good agro?

What is the current best dropable combo, frostbringer+what?

Zipity

07-22-2019, 05:39 PM

Prob wavecrasher/anklesmasher + frostbringer

Legidias

07-22-2019, 06:02 PM

A bio orb >>>>>> all those combos and strategizing

enjchanter

07-22-2019, 06:27 PM

A bio orb >>>>>> all those combos and strategizing

he made fun of my bard but technically hes right on this one

Psionide

07-22-2019, 06:34 PM

I thought the orb wasn't that great because of the cast time?

Gumbo

07-22-2019, 06:53 PM

Prob wavecrasher/anklesmasher + frostbringer

Gotta love how the Wavercrasher and Anklesmasher cost between 45-60K and the Frostbringer is only 2K

Trelaboon

07-22-2019, 06:56 PM

Warrior epic is super good. 15sta and 50hp on red blade, plus the proc is pretty good aggro. And then the blue blade is awesome for DPS. That attack boost is huge. Plus it looks amazing. Like others said, I felt like my Warrior wasn’t a real Warrior until he had his lightsabers. It’s 100% with doing.

Legidias

07-23-2019, 12:18 AM

I only specifically mention bio orb cause its infinite clicks. Root nets, slow hammer, etc. all make weapon based aggro meaningless beyond white damage to keep aggro up. The initial aggro from clicks will last you basically on any mob until your disc runs out, when you swap tanks (on raid mobs) anyways.

Jimjam

07-23-2019, 03:12 AM

Gotta love how the Wavercrasher and Anklesmasher cost between 45-60K and the Frostbringer is only 2K

If you do pillar dragons at all you end up giving them away.

Rewzer

07-23-2019, 07:36 AM

Naethyn

07-23-2019, 07:38 AM

Both epics are best in slot. Red sword best aggro/hp. Blue sword best dps.

Troxx

07-23-2019, 02:51 PM

How important is the epic?

Great item and stats. After the proc nerf it is much more competitive.

Having said that, globally it is not that important. There are plenty of alternatives that are perfectly capable at the highest levels of raiding.

elwing

07-23-2019, 03:55 PM

The epic is mandatory for eejag fight, otherwise the others can't find the mob without the traffic lights...

Tethler

07-24-2019, 12:20 AM

The epic is mandatory for eejag fight, otherwise the others can't find the mob without the traffic lights...

I just autofollow someone cause im lazy.

aaezil

07-24-2019, 12:43 AM

Lots of people who never played warrior or obvioisly dont have war epic + lots of other weps are commenting on here and it shows ;)

elwing

07-24-2019, 09:10 AM

Lots of people who never played warrior or obvioisly dont have war epic + lots of other weps are commenting on here and it shows ;)

Definitely true, but the marshaling wand part was both a funny comment and a serious comment warrior might not be aware off... Can't beat the marshaling wands in the lava...

Freakish

07-24-2019, 09:45 AM

If you offered me either warrior epic or any other weapon in game I would take the epic. Can you play a warrior without one? Sure. Is it worth the effort to do a tough quest? Absolutely.

Well, actually I would take a primal 1h over epic. But that's it.

Alde

07-24-2019, 01:01 PM

Troxx

07-24-2019, 02:56 PM

Lots of people who never played warrior or obvioisly dont have war epic + lots of other weps are commenting on here and it shows ;)

Meh. I had my epics on live. Here? I’ve been casually working on them. They’re great and I’d use them if I had them but anyone who thinks they’re necessary is kidding themselves. The good tradable weapons and easy to get nodrops will function interchangeably with epic for the purposes of threat after the nerf. Prior to the nerf they were flat out better.

The real value of the epic isn’t in rock solid superior aggro (at least not by any significant margin), it’s in the rock solid superior stats/resists. A ton of stamina, hp, resists? Why yes thank you!

pasi

07-26-2019, 01:13 PM

As mentioned the last time this came up:

The 2handed Epic will be extremely good for tanking once two-handed weapons get their own damage bonus tables. Less riposte spikes and very strong threat generation.