Rolling a new warrior, quick question

[Halfcell]

Not a huge budget so I have full crusty, SCHW, and WESS/Frostbringer prepped and ready. The real question for me is Halfling or Barbarian? The Halfling xp bonus, plus having sneak/hide seems pretty legit, but being tiny and weird looking is giving me pause. Barbs on the other hand, look dope AF. I dont want to roll troll or ogre, so I am hoping for some experienced tanks to give me an opinion here.

[Legidias]

dorf

[Halfcell]

dorf

I am not aware of any real perks to being a dorf other than doing flips. Am I wrong?

[Generik]

Out of your preferred choices I'd say halfling.

Min/max would be either ogre for FSI or iksar for AC

My personal favorite would have to be gnome because they are tiny, see through walls, can wear robes and have tinkering.

[Crede]

Gnome. 40% spell haste whenever you want it is OP.

[Legidias]

Shh dont let them in on gnomic secrets

[Izmael]

One eyed human is where it's at.

[Wallicker]

Sneak allows you to sell/bank anywhere but looking cool is everything and barbs have an eyepatch face too + bash

[rajax]

When sneak pulling was still common and race hide skill had ivu I would say halfling without hesitation. Now I would base the choice on how much you value slam over sneak+ 5% xp bonus.

If no clear choice for you, I would take a look at the wiki for armor appearance especially velious plate on the 2 races. What do you want to stare at for hundreds of hours? Personally, I would go Barbarian and if you aren't set on those 2 it would be Troll by a big margin.

[Troxx]

I am not aware of any real perks to being a dorf other than doing flips. Am I wrong?

-High starting dexterity paired with “not bad” other stats.
-short innate size, no shaman/potion/cobalt-bracer needed
-inexpensive yet potent/powerful cultural armor
-fashion quest for those that prefer meaty builds in a compact package
-barrel rolls!

Ultimately it’s liking the look of the dwarf while sporting a better set of starting stats than other smaller races (ie not the big 3). I made a dwarf. No regrets.

If dwarf had not been an option it would have been a tossup between ogre (obvious reasons) or halfling (sneak).

Between the two you are considering? Hobbit unless you really want barbarian. Gear can compensate for most things in this game but you can’t get a piece of gear that lets you sneak. Sneak is really helpful when it comes to faction-based quests.

[aaezil]

Barb warriors can see thru walls with shrink bracer/shrink pots. barbs get slam. Halfling get hide/sneak (hide useless when you have charged insta invis and unlimited item cast invis, sneak always useful) and their kick becomes a stun (like slam) at 55

Also congrats you have more gear than 90% of warriors in classic era!

[Troxx]

Fashionquest is always the most important aspect when picking your race ...

... unless necro

[Halfcell]

Fashionquest is always the most important aspect when picking your race ...

... unless necro

See, this is what I have been worried about. Maybe I'll just save up for a rogue epic and roll one to enjoy sneaking around and roll my tank as a Barb so that I can look cool. I mean, I guess if I was really dead set on fashion questing I would roll a DE or WE warrior but it's just so hard to justify giving up so many stats and abilities.

[Keebz]

...being tiny and weird looking is giving me pause.

You don't deserve to be a Hobbit.

But seriously, as a halfling warrior, I will say hide and sneak are super great for dungeons. However sometimes I wish I didn't have to swap in a shield to bash.

If you don't like how halflings look though, go barb. Or if you really want hide, WE/DE.

[Jimjam]

"If you can't handle me at my tiniest you sure as hell can't handle me at my creepiest". -Marshall Lanena

[Keebz]

I guess if I was really dead set on fashion questing I would roll a DE or WE warrior but it's just so hard to justify giving up so many stats and abilities.

The gear on this server is sooo cheap. Now is _the_ time for fashion quest. A deficit of like 10-20 points in starting stats really doesn't matter. And as a warrior, all you do is wave sticks at things, so you better like the way you look.

If you want to pain yourself worrying about starting stats, green is just around the corner.

[JohnT88]

Wood Elf Warrior for fashionquest.

[kaizersoze]

I like wood elf for fashion quest, but if you plan to solo a lot I would suggest troll or iksar. The extra regen on them is a huge boon, especially if you know how to do combat bind wound. You can basically stay berserk npnp if you have troll / war regen and duo with a shaman, no fungi required, but does make it even more of a cakewalk.

[Gozuk]

but being tiny and weird looking is giving me pause.

Bro

[rajax]

That reminds me, as far as tiny and weird looking goes, I keep hearing how awesome twinking out a starting gnome warrior with the tinkered gnome armor spell haste and some upper tier trade worn haste works out.

Not arguing cause on it certainly sounds fun and looks unique, but how hard is that to find? Only gnomes I know have never bothered raising it past 1st tier products and I hardly ever hang out in EC and can’t recall seeing anyone selling that?

[Snaggles]

That reminds me, as far as tiny and weird looking goes, I keep hearing how awesome twinking out a starting gnome warrior with the tinkered gnome armor spell haste and some upper tier trade worn haste works out.

Not arguing cause on it certainly sounds fun and looks unique, but how hard is that to find? Only gnomes I know have never bothered raising it past 1st tier products and I hardly ever hang out in EC and can’t recall seeing anyone selling that?

Do some forum searching for crafters and ahungry.com for recent auctions. If you see someone selling a bunch of clockwork pieces they are either dumping alt-gear or they are a crafter.

[aaezil]

The gnome armor haste is a cool gimmick but its only so many charges

[Legidias]

Fairly easy to find. Gnome armor is rechargable. Haste uses 50p batteries to recharge.

[demokatt]

I have a guild pal selling Clockwork vambraces, boots and gloves för 6k. Yes they are rechargable using a 50p Stone from iceclad shop.

[jolanar]

That's basically 5p for 5 to 15ish minutes (depends on level) of 40% haste. Pretty insane really.

If you plan to solo to 60, I don't see how any other class beats that unless you have access to eyepatch of plunder somehow. If you don't plan to solo it's not worth much though.

[Snaggles]

So let’s say you are a gnome warrior with a staff of battle in the mid 30’s. Investing in some basic other gear and the haste arms you get 40% extra haste for 30p each hour (approx 10 mins a charge). If you loot and sell 6 fine steel swords you can pay off the clicks you used.

Yea, that’s far from a gimmick.

[Troxx]

Pocket haste clicky 40% haste that is rechargeable is not a gimmick. If any warrior race could use it you know we’d all run around with it in our backpacks.

[Crede]

The best 3 pieces give 30 str/30 dex/40% spell haste.

This is no joke, and as a solo warrior this puts you at dwarf strength, and way ahead anybody’s dex. Not to mention you get access to the cheap powerful dwarven cultural armor. I believe it stacks with the cobalt boots strength buff too.

This is a fantastic build, and the only thing that sucks about it is that you can’t make a gnome sk to do the same thing.

[Snaggles]

The best 3 pieces give 30 str/30 dex/40% spell haste.

This is no joke, and as a solo warrior this puts you at dwarf strength, and way ahead anybody’s dex. Not to mention you get access to the cheap powerful dwarven cultural armor. I believe it stacks with the cobalt boots strength buff too.

This is a fantastic build, and the only thing that sucks about it is that you can’t make a gnome sk to do the same thing.

I'm planning my gnome alt thanks to this thread :).

On a mostly solo basis based on a Brell/clockwork gear setup would you put all the points in stamina or double-down on the dex?

[Crede]

I'm planning my gnome alt thanks to this thread :).

On a mostly solo basis based on a Brell/clockwork gear setup would you put all the points in stamina or double-down on the dex?

Definitely dex. People will tell you the extra dex wont make a big difference, but solo 50+ you want to be procing as much and as fast as possible. Str will not be an issue. Get your bind wound up and make a hotkey to do it in battle. Embalmers skinning knife is great for this.

[GreldorEQ]

When sneak pulling was still common and race hide skill had ivu

Gods, we were strong!

[Legday]

Roll barb. FQ winners of the warrior class and in terms of utlity we aren't bad either.

[Squire]

Gnome.

Youre small, you have xray vision (go into first person and press up against a wall)

You can tinker SOW, Haste, Invis, etc items, your own rebreather for your epic, stalking probes (pull with them, proc OT hammers or lifetap items on them etc https://wiki.project1999.com/Stalking_Probe) https://wiki.project1999.com/Cultural_Tradeskills:_Gnome

You can wear a robe https://wiki.project1999.com/Robe_of_the_Azure_Sky

http://wiki.project1999.com/images/AzureSkyDresses.png

Good faction. Good fashion.

[demokatt]

Altough for warrior solo-effeciency I would say regen matters alot more than haste, an iksar or troll with iksar bp/fungi is really nice

[jolanar]

Altough for warrior solo-effeciency I would say regen matters alot more than haste, an iksar or troll with iksar bp/fungi is really nice

Regen is great and all, but killing a mob 40% faster means you take 40% less damage. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see how iksar/troll beats that from a purely solo perspective.

[theonesler]

Dwarf. Don't question it. Just do it (they are sponsored by Nike).

[Crede]

Regen is great and all, but killing a mob 40% faster means you take 40% less damage. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see how iksar/troll beats that from a purely solo perspective.

It doesn’t. Iksar standing regen barely out paces normal regen. Literally no reason to sit as a solo warrior as you can bind wound to 70%. If you’re having to engage mobs at 100% health to survive then you prob shouldn’t be soloing.

40% haste > iksar/troll regen all day for a solo warrior build. The extra 25 dex you’ll have as a gnome with the buff will likely cancel out the standing regen with blood point procs anyway.

[bradsamma]

It doesn’t. Iksar standing regen barely out paces normal regen. Literally no reason to sit as a solo warrior as you can bind wound to 70%. If you’re having to engage mobs at 100% health to survive then you prob shouldn’t be soloing.

40% haste > iksar/troll regen all day for a solo warrior build. The extra 25 dex you’ll have as a gnome with the buff will likely cancel out the standing regen with blood point procs anyway.

I think you can only BW to 70% as a warrior at level 57 or 58?

[Zipity]

The only real question comes down to three races with best fashion: iksar w/robe and sabers(Sithlord) vs human w/ robe and sabers(Jedi) vs gnome with robe and sabers(Yoda)

[Troxx]

It doesn’t. Iksar standing regen barely out paces normal regen. Literally no reason to sit as a solo warrior as you can bind wound to 70%. If you’re having to engage mobs at 100% health to survive then you prob shouldn’t be soloing.

40% haste > iksar/troll regen all day for a solo warrior build. The extra 25 dex you’ll have as a gnome with the buff will likely cancel out the standing regen with blood point procs anyway.

I’m not saying racial regen is better than 40% but you’re flat out wrong. At 51 standing it is 2 vs 6. At 56 it’s 3 vs 10. At 60 it’s 3 vs 12.

Sitting:
51: 5 vs 12
56: 6 vs 16
60: 6 vs 18

That’s not “barely outpaces normal regen”. On top of that it’s free and has continuous uptime. Over the course of your eq career the difference in regen racial vs stock is probably going to be more than the healing others toss your way.

Better than 40% haste? No, at least not while it’s up. It does have upkeep, however, and sooner or later you’ll have outside haste >40%.

Bear in mind that despite the above I have a human monk and dwarf warrior. Because that’s what I wanted.

40% haste clicky is super awesome. It being awesome does not negate racial regen also being awesome.

[Logian]

Dwarf. Don't question it. Just do it (they are sponsored by Nike).

100% true

[demokatt]

And u don't have to Think about choose gender, they look the same anyway :-)

[Jimjam]

And u don't have to Think about choose gender, they look the same anyway :-)

I thought elves and dwarfs were the female and male option from the same race?

[Randarn]

**Sorry for text wall..I never post, I'll work on not-text walling..**
Find what race fits your inner spirit animal...If there is indecision, do a trial run for an hour on 2 race candidates, and walk around city in barb & halfling warrior and see which feel you connect with. Don't choose for best stats, etc, warriors eventually end up with similiar items no matter the race eventually in the end anyways..so fashionquest/ spirit animal I agree, is paramount importance. Small races in brell religion have the best incentives from cultural armor.. 1 has sneak/hide, 1 has awesome clickies, 1 has best sum stats for good race + barrel roll. Woodelves/Darkelves are fun sometimes to go as dex builds and have fun benefits, along with Human/Barb eyepatch and look&feel of towns. Try out Qeynos atleast once if you've never done, worst case, you can get a port somewhere else.~~My first Warrior was small race Gnome, which i've enjoyed..dwarf next small race to try. Troll/Iksar/Ogre may have to work on rep a lil more to bank, but also come with great benefits. Its not too big of a deal, rep grind, after you have done a little research and have a plan set out.~~Warrior #2 was Ogre..which I liked as well, but want to try Iksar next of evil large. Figure out what starting city you like best, or what city you have never tried. Lots of quests people look over in starting cities that are still awesome, and really get you in the Lore/Look/Feel of being that race as a warrior.. (Ogre/Troll 50% reduc med 10slot bag, and early 2hers), (gnome city 6/20 ratio +2 stats 1hb by lvl 7, dwarves some great starting armor/weapon quests or drops near city)(gnome have super cheap toolboxes in windmill merchant (1g = 8slot giant)~saves you like 20plat*?* vs Large sewing kits to fill bank I think?)).
Barbarians are secluded from world mostly until 20; you can see it as a good thing, in a realm of their own in the tundra, or bad ~in which you port out lol. So, have a plan of either staying there or going somewhere else, i vote stay in Halas or even leveling in Erudin Warrens and especially Stonebrunt Mountains for totem farming is awesome and something rarely done (if you didn't know. all drops in stonebrunt are unable to get if they green out now...) can be fun/exploratory.
Don't forget that going the warrior religion instead of Agnostic will allow you later in Velious to instantly have amiable with Giant faction quest armors (believe its giants?)~[go warrior religion if not small race]~. .
Best wishes, ~Trys.

[Trelaboon]

Gnome Warrior is amazing during Veliois because of their Clockwork armor, specifically the 40% haste arms. But seeing as how you’re talking about green, that’s irrelevant. I’ve learned that no perk outweighs my love for fashion though, and if you don’t want to look like a Halfling, I promise that you’ll regret it later, regardless of how good their perks are. Iksar AC isn’t that important...on mobs in Velious who are level 70, AC barely affects mitigation. I’d go with Barbarian, it seems like that’s your ideal race, because you’re gonna be looking at this character for potentially years.

[Trelaboon]

Also, the clicky on the Clockwork arms is being understated. At 60, my Gnome Warrior’s clicky arms lasts over 20 minutes, so you’re looking at around 15 plat for an hour of 40% haste. It’s honestly amazing. Also, pick what race you want, even as a Gnome, I easily have 255 in every stat with just Shaman buffs. If you like DE or WE, then do it. I regret 90% of my race choices except for my Gnome Warrior, which I absolutely love. Not to mention they can wear robes, so I love running around in my red and blue guardian robe with red and blue epic