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Calabee
04-10-2011, 03:10 AM
I and several other people i've found out.. keep going LD when evacing / zoning to EJ and / or cant send tells / mem spells / do a who all / click seb orb when gating / zoning to TT.

I know for myself i have to /q out like 4-5 times at least to fix it, pretty annoying

Calabee
04-14-2011, 09:31 PM
Bump. new record, 45 + mins of not getting TT to work!

nilbog
04-16-2011, 11:38 AM
I can't replicate this.

Calabee
04-16-2011, 12:54 PM
several guildies / friends keep having the same issues, Going LD evacing / zoning to EJ, and literally not being able to do anything in TT, like the zone locks up. Is it just our files that's messed up or?

nilbog
04-16-2011, 01:09 PM
I do not have your problems, here are my specifics.

-windows xp
-titanium client
-default textures (unmodified for high res graphics)
-wineq 2.0

Find what is different with your friends and guildmates. If you can find a commonality, it will help to isolate what's happening to you.

Mardur
04-16-2011, 02:10 PM
Guess I can help narrow things a little bit. I have no problems in TT/EJ.

Windows Vista
Titanium
Default Textures
No WinEQ

Bushido
04-16-2011, 02:14 PM
I had this problem start happening to me today. I have been logging in and out for the past hour trying to get any of my port spells to work to get out of the zone.

Windows XP SP3
Titanium Client
No updated Textures
No WinEQ

Have had problems goind LD zoning into/out of EJ/TT but recently just started having the problem of not being able to send tells, load spells, cast spells, zone into seb, do any type of /who all(can still do /who for the zone), etc. Recently used Duxa's installer about 4 days ago.

I've spent a good 1.5 hours trying to relog into TT and not getting stuff to work. when i zone in i'll see guildchat/tells of when i was logging into the zone then nothing works after.

Wisetree
04-17-2011, 08:33 PM
I'm not having this issue and evac to EJ fairly often. Hopefully this helps narrow the issue down.

Win7Home Premium 32-bit
Titanium
Default Textures (i think)
EQPlayNice [v1.20]

Calabee
04-17-2011, 08:38 PM
win xp sp 2
titanium client
default textures
no wineq

Still happens ;/

Calabee
07-27-2012, 10:29 AM
bump lol, still happens to this day. has been happening since kunark launch, and i know way more people who has it happened too.

Oh yea.. also started randomly happening in FV too,

it's like you're just de-synched of zone, you can do a /who, but not / all friend, u cant send tells, u cant read gu, u cant zone, u cant mem or cast spells... etc

Hollywood
08-05-2012, 12:59 PM
Could this have anything to do with the same files/errors resulting in the login server being down? - possibly more specifically something to do with the inner server for Emerald Jungle and Trakanon's Teeth?

Treats
08-05-2012, 01:25 PM
I think it may have something to do with the heavy amount of tree textures in both of the zones.

I've had this happen off and on ever since Kunark was released so I don't think its related to the worldserver erroring.

When I zone into EJ/TT it takes a little while longer than any other zones to load.

When the UI and everything comes up after zoning, 2 to 3 seconds later there is a massive lag that lasts for a second or two and then everything is fine.

I can only assume that the time period when the massive lag occurs is where the desyncs are occuring.

Jjlent
08-06-2012, 10:28 PM
this happens all the time to me on my necro but only in TT not EJ, like cala said it acts like you're de-sync'd where you can't cast or do any "world" commands like tells/guild/etc. once it happens it takes logging in and out a bunch of times, as in more than 3 or 4 at the minimum before you can actually interact with game

Bushido
08-06-2012, 11:24 PM
Still happens to me in EJ/TT. The lagginess happens after zoning from all the textures and it being such large zones. Still happens that way whether I have graphics set to max or all the way down low. Maybe it's an ATI graphics problem? That's the brand of card I have. Does anyone have a NVIDIA card that has these problems?

Triangle
10-28-2012, 10:17 PM
I have to bump this thread... This happened to me today and yesterday and i simply cannot get thru the zone without multiple disconnects. In fact I am stuck there now and hope i can get gate or my click on sebilis to land or else I will have to petition to get out =(

nilbog
11-17-2012, 01:06 PM
Still have never experienced this.

Video card: Geforce

mostbitter
11-17-2012, 02:13 PM
This happens on red server also.

Calabee
11-17-2012, 02:24 PM
ok let me be more specific

winxp sp 3
titanium client
velious textures
geforce 6200
no wineq

what more could u need? im using an old intel p4, maybe that's the prob? cuz those of us who are experiencing it play with old ass shit? I mean... it is the only zones that are bugged to hell for me, everything else is fine *shrug* -- and hell, my comp, same comp, actually ran eq2 and eq live with better graphics / spell effects etc then it does P99.... and i've formatted it recently.

Calabee
01-01-2013, 12:31 PM
bump, really fucking fun trying to do a seb key with yourself (kill with a char, loot on other) when you're just being ''de-synched'' all the time and cant loot...................gratz rot..................

maximum
01-03-2013, 12:40 PM
You probably need to start a thread in Technical Discussion. This is not a server-side bug.

Ellia
01-22-2013, 09:57 PM
Windows XP SP3
Titanium Client
No updated Textures
No WinEQ

watching my lights blink on my HD and router it seems like an unnecessary amount of data is going back and forth but only on my toon that is logged in EJ.

Does EJ have "that much" graphic content that it requires that much information sharing? maybe the server is sending double or triple the amount that is actually required? dont know but this has been a continuing issue. I still randomly go ld upon zoning in to EJ and randomly desynic as well with a ping over 1K.

SamwiseRed
01-22-2013, 09:58 PM
wonder what this could be. i play on a piece of shit 200 dollar e-machine and i dont lag in either of those zones.

i dont lag on my laptop either and that thing is a piece of shit too.

nilbog
01-23-2013, 09:26 AM
You probably need start a thread in Technical Discussion. This is not a server-side bug.

Jete
02-16-2013, 12:57 PM
I think one fix for this is to set EQ or winEQ2 (I currently use winEQ2) to use only 1 core of a processor. Although EQplaynice is supposed to do this I found that when I set winEQ2 to use one core it fixed my issues in TT.

To do this (using windows 7):

1. Launch task manager while winEQ2 is up (ctrl+alt+del).

2. Under "Processes" find WinEQ2.exe.

3. Right click and go to "Set Affinity".

4. Select only one CPU.

5. Profit.

Hopefully this will work for other people!

Bamzal Sherbet
02-21-2013, 11:36 AM
Jete my buddy will try this and let you know

Brut
03-31-2013, 03:52 PM
Still no idea what's the cause, but it's only got worse. Used to be so it'd happen to me as I'd zone in, and could just relog until it wouldn't happen and could then do whatever in the zone. Now it's happening 100% of the time, I can count a couple seconds, use a clicky maybe, and then it's desync. Have to do like checkpoints of running from SoNH to the lake, camp, from lake to the the arcway to Seb ruins, camp, run to trak entrance, camp, click the orb to get in. Ping climbs to 7000+ in a matter of 10seconds every time now.

Haven't got this issue on any other server in this zone, so really don't know what's up with this.

Can we just throw a translocator in EJ or something so people can at least reach Sebilis? Pretty please?

Masakizt
04-03-2013, 12:30 AM
^^^

skorge
04-04-2013, 08:01 AM
yea whats bad is also u need the pained soul there for the VP key as well as the mobs just to get in seb for the seb key, lol....imagine trying to do either of those

Calabee
04-04-2013, 02:27 PM
lol look at my original post, 2 years went by, still not fixed.
and people think this is a recent issue as of late.

Enanon
04-04-2013, 07:56 PM
i have same problem, once i log on into TT, that's it. 5k ping and cant do anything.

Im running win 7
eq titanium, no textures.

it started to happend after i clicked the shadows at display options, but i turned it off and nothing

Calabee
04-05-2013, 08:53 AM
instead of making a new thread (there's already tons about it) in tech discussion, cant we just move this one? it's the oldest one + one with more info...

Would the people experiencing this, posting dxdiag info help at all? to try and corner the problem

Otur
04-07-2013, 12:59 PM
Trakanons Teeth is unplayable for me - I got the same issues. 5000ms+ with minute long spikes, its hard just to get to Sebilis - almost impossible to kill/kite anything in the zone.
Sometimes relogging helps for a little while.
I'm running titanium client, windows 8 on a pretty new (and awesome) comp with 200mbit internet connection - so I doubt its a "lousy computer" issue.

Edit-

Got this shit issue after the last patch when mobs started fighting eachother or something.

xnolanx
04-11-2013, 05:53 PM
Confirmed is happening to me..

Has caused 2 deaths/loss of experience, missing out on 3 groups now, spent at least 2 hours stuck in the zone with no way in or out..

I have a corpse in TT right now that I won't be able to get, because even if I do get back to the zone, I won't be able to loot my corpse when I zone in..

ozguy
04-17-2013, 04:23 AM
Hi this is also happening to me and I have tried everything suggested in this post as well as refreshing the trakanon zone files, different PCs, different client installations etc etc.

I appreciate the efforts of GMs who attempted to recreate the issue for themselves. We keep hearing that it is not server side. I tend to think it is more of an unknown interaction between client and server under certain network conditions. Like there is maybe some timeout on receiving of data and the timeout is not met so the packet is continuously re-sent and it snowballs. Or something that is negotiated upon zoning which causes everything to fall on its ass.

I am from Australia and found this recent thread where multiple Australians seem to be having the same issue.

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?p=882739

I notice upon entering TT my latency is normal, but I know straight away if there is a problem when I hit "track" and the tracking list doesn't populate immediately. After about 30 seconds the latency jumps to around 3000ms then continues to climb to stupid numbers like 12000ms. If I zone out quickly, within the first minute or so, I can successfully zone back into EJ otherwise will get booted to login screen with my character still in TT. I have to log back in and quickly zone to successfully escape the zone. If left alone in TT the client will eventually disconnect with "The server is not responding."

The VERY first time that I entered TT it was normal and I was tracking targets and pulling mobs. The second and all subsequent attempts to play in TT has resulted in this latency problem.

If you have not experienced this issue please do not come into the thread and talk about 'certain zones have always been laggy' suggesting to turn down settings or whatever. Please understand that this is unplayable and not just a 'bit of lag.'

This is an issue for me as I want to get my Sebilis key and at this stage it seems impossible unless I lend my account to someone (not likely to happen) or if a GM gives me a seb key.

quido
04-17-2013, 04:34 AM
This has never happened to me on blue, but seems to happen 50+% of the time on red.

Agatha
04-17-2013, 04:36 AM
you require additional supply depots.

Calabee
04-19-2013, 01:21 AM
Would the people experiencing this, posting dxdiag info help at all? to try and corner the problem

falkun
05-01-2013, 08:13 AM
Quote from BDA forums (Stinkyy (Btre)):
Hi

I think I might have a universal fix for people that crash in zones.
I had a nasty crash problem for the Zone ==> Trakanon's Teeth

My fix was to rename 3 files in the folder that you keep EQ
I renamed the files below

trakanon_chr.s3d to trakanon_chr.s3dx
trakanon_sndbnk.eff to trakanon_sndbnk.effx
trakanon_sounds.eff to trakanon_sounds.effx

The last 2 renames are most likely not required.

If you are crashing in the zone....try it.. see if that helps..

Is there a model the server is trying to call in TT that the Titanium trakanon_char.s3d client-side file does not contain?

I'm assuming by adding the 'x' at the end of the file, eqgame.exe is then unable to access the trakanon_char.s3d file. What (if any) are the repercussions of this?

Have any of the passed eqchanges_vXX.zip files contained updates for these 3 files (maybe someone only getting the newest update never got these updated file(s))?

Thanks again to Stinkyy and any others that look into this issue.

Brut
05-04-2013, 03:39 PM
Can we just throw a translocator in EJ or something so people can at least reach Sebilis? Pretty please?

mostbitter
05-04-2013, 05:20 PM
this zone is getting worse, i never had issues with it until recently but now even at 110ms sometimes clicking the orb desyncs me, and another time sitting still I randomly disconnected.

Rajahten
05-06-2013, 04:49 AM
Having this issue as well, I last about 30 seconds in TT before I go LD. From Australia.

Rajahten
05-06-2013, 04:51 AM
actually, i dont go LD, i just cant do anything.

knix
05-06-2013, 08:12 PM
I have been soloing in TT for the last 7 days, killed enough foragers to get 20percent into level 60.

sometimes ms is 121, cant do anything
sometimes ms is 230, but can do things
I usually log in and out until i can egress, sometimes it takes me 5 min to cast egress.
sometimes ms starts at 113 by the second time you hit track you spike to over 5k ms, after initially starting to be fine, then lets you agro a mob and you die.(like i did just now.



I have discovered if I use Egress to reenter zone, 7 times out of 10 it fixes whatever the weird issues are and i stay good until i have to camp.

please fix this, i am going to have to spend an hour getting a rez for stupid lag. I actually desynced and an easily killed mob ate me for lunch.

mostbitter
05-07-2013, 10:06 AM
I did notice that this seemed to get much worse after the change was implemented that made the mobs fight each other.

Spacebar
05-08-2013, 08:04 PM
Same issue also. Might be ATI graphics card? Overseas connection? Important sounding IT word?

Arteker
05-14-2013, 07:50 PM
i have camped several pained souls , TT was not a troublesome zone but since like 4 months ago its impossible.

caleros
05-15-2013, 08:31 PM
I didn't have this problem 1 year ago, now I do using the same laptop I do now, the only difference is now I live in Thailand instead of America, based on what I've read in the thread going to go ahead and assume that is the root of the problem.

Ravager
05-20-2013, 11:33 AM
Bumping this. I was killing hunter and forager for an alt this morning and I'd be desynced upon zoning in. Sometimes zoning out and zoning back in fixed it, but I don't know how to replicate either the bug or the fix. I'm playing on a Vista laptop Core 2 Duo with crappy Intel 965 Express onboard graphics. I also did not have problems with TT a year ago.

Brocode
05-21-2013, 04:50 AM
Quote from BDA forums (Stinkyy (Btre)):


Is there a model the server is trying to call in TT that the Titanium trakanon_char.s3d client-side file does not contain?

I'm assuming by adding the 'x' at the end of the file, eqgame.exe is then unable to access the trakanon_char.s3d file. What (if any) are the repercussions of this?

Have any of the passed eqchanges_vXX.zip files contained updates for these 3 files (maybe someone only getting the newest update never got these updated file(s))?

Thanks again to Stinkyy and any others that look into this issue.

Has anyone tested this theory?

First theory OS:
Different Systems get the problem, Windows XP, Windows 7 and with many different specifics.

Second Theory Ping/Country:
Spain here with mainly ping 240 ms usually, happens to others like stated on this post and with diff pings.

Third Theory Files Installed:
This is a good one, where did you get your copy, can files be corrupted?

THIS ONLY HAPPENS IN TT FOR ME, NEVER IN EJ. Did happen once yesterday in OT.

Jenni D
05-21-2013, 08:41 AM
Please save TT.
i cant even go to seb anymore :(

Aeolwind
05-21-2013, 11:01 AM
Just to make ya'll feel better. I had this same issue on live, but not here on p99.

Solution was in graphics settings for me. There is some 'odd' new setting from Titanium that TT doesn't like. Just keep disabling stuff till you have stick figures and flashing lights and once you get it gone, leave off the fancy stuff and you should be safe with the basic settings. Also lowering your clip plane can have a big impact.

Ravager
05-21-2013, 01:36 PM
Not quite the same. I've been playing with minimum settings since I started on this server three years ago and my problems with TT have only come up in recent months.

quido
05-21-2013, 01:42 PM
I never had a problem in TT until the last few months also - have been using the same settings since 2009

Aeolwind
05-21-2013, 02:55 PM
Coincide with driver changes? Crashes? Seemingly unrelated software updates? Tried a fresh install?

I've seen a new game change the 'baseline' settings on my graphics card and cause tee-total havok when I log into something else.

maximum
05-21-2013, 06:14 PM
I never had a problem in TT until the last few months also - have been using the same settings since 2009

Your PC doesn't stay the same: Windows Updates, video card drivers, new application installs, etc. In other words, Technical Discussion forum.

Tasslehofp99
05-25-2013, 05:48 AM
This is frustrating me and I don't even have this issue, seems like a lot of folks having the issue are from outside the usa. My good friends from down under can't get thru TT!

mostbitter
05-26-2013, 11:00 AM
TT worse than ever, all solutions suggested. Currently getting desync constantly. unable see any chat movement, but able to send tells that others recieve. wtf

Rajahten
05-29-2013, 02:47 AM
I have tried everything suggested and nothing works. I live in Australia, if that has anything to do with it.
Not being able to go to Sebilis is quite terrible, considering the alternate options pale in comparison.

Swish
06-11-2013, 04:45 PM
Still getting it. If its regional, I'm in the UK.

As Aeolwind suggested, my settings are turned all the way down....clip plane reduced to zero, still persists :/


EDIT: Interestingly, I logged out and back in each time I got the problem - on the 4th/5th attempt the ping stayed normal.

Blasted
06-22-2013, 11:48 AM
Had this issue in TT last night, and again this morning. Realized today that I didn't have EQPlayNice loaded. It's now working fine. Coincidence? Not sure. I'll post again if the issue recurs while EQPN is running.

SamwiseRed
06-22-2013, 12:00 PM
ye the only fix ive found is not playing on my laptop. i cannot figure out why my laptop (better specs) has the issue vs my main computer which is a piece of shit (has no problems in TT)

i just know connection and region have nothing to do with it.

mostbitter
06-23-2013, 11:46 AM
i never had any issues in this place until the change where mobs started fighting each other. since they it has gotten worse as time has gone on.

heartbrand
06-23-2013, 12:15 PM
I've never had an issue in this zone. Dunno what causes it for other people.

nilbog
11-14-2013, 02:10 PM
People with desync issues in TT, have you tried turning off shadows?

This.

Someone who has this issue:

-Download Wireshark.
-Before you zone into Trakanon, start packet collecting.
-As soon as desync happens, stop capture.
-Save in wireshark as whatever.pcap

It is important to note the time that it happens so we can investigate.

You can email it to testing.p99@gmail.com