How can a bard solo a summoning mob?

[jazzman_so_fresh]

I can charm another and stick it on the summoning mob, but then when it breaks, I get summoned and two mobs hit me.

I can probably handle one 52+ mob hitting me, but not two. Any ideas? Charm mob 1, mez mob 2 before charm breaks, and re-establish your pet??

[branamil]

You can snare+fear it, or twist Mez/Heal songs when you get low and hopefully out-regen it. You should not try to do two at once, you should lull one if you have two

[Swish2]

You could try charming but you need to be so sharp with the recharm (I'm usually off by half a second each side guessing the moment it breaks).

[jazzman_so_fresh]

What happens when you try to fear a mob that is permanent rooted (ie in PoM)? Does the fear take effect and they turn away from you?

[fastboy21]

You could try charming but you need to be so sharp with the recharm (I'm usually off by half a second each side guessing the moment it breaks).

You can't time it perfectly just based on your cast and the duration...you'd have to be watching the server tick, which means up to 6 seconds after the duration ends.

I usually roll the charm and restart it halfway thru if there hasn't been a break yet. I do this even on non-summoning mobs if fighting in tight areas or inside.

As for solo'ing the summoning mobs folks already mentioned the two best strats:

1. Snare/fear/dot kite. I once was able to do the named bug at NG in seb by pulling it into the water and fear kiting it...mostly to see I could. it worked, took forever and probably annoyed whoever was actually at NG.

2. Tank and spank. Mez the mob when you get low life and regen. Rinse and repeat the 10k times it will take you to do this. I believe I did this and number 1 in combination to kill the skyfire drake for his guts for bard epic...also a long and painful fight.

Charming would be risky. If you get a perfect recharm off you could possibly avoid both mobs beating you for one round, but its unlikely and even a few hits here and there would make doing this a roll of the RNG.

Remember that summoning mobs don't summon every round, so if you can keep selos up and have good gear and buffs you will be able to have a larger margin of error.

With the exception of the rare quest mob you want to kill on your own I wouldn't suggest making a habit of bard soloing higher lvl summoning mobs.

[jazzman_so_fresh]

Good thing I bought a singing steel bp... Makes the Regen time much faster.

What I was thinking though is to pull the mob back, mez the summoning mob, so that I have about 10 seconds to recharm and send it back to fight. Viable?

[fastboy21]

Good thing I bought a singing steel bp... Makes the Regen time much faster.

What I was thinking though is to pull the mob back, mez the summoning mob, so that I have about 10 seconds to recharm and send it back to fight. Viable?

Your best charm song in classic will only charm up to lvl 51...so if you charming a lvl 51 summoning mob this would work. If you are solo'ing anything higher than no charm for joo.

[remen]

You can do up to 3 summon mobs as long as they can be mezzed. Do your best to time charm switches for as little time taking damage as possible, using the cast / recast half way method mentioned above and roll heal song between. Once you get lowish on health just switch to mez x 3 and then heal song til you are back to full health and resume charm killing.

I did drolvarg warlord + 2 bodyguards solo using this method so it can definitely be done, just takes a while. I more did it just to see if I could, many duo or group combos would be much more suited to take on this type of fight.

[jazzman_so_fresh]

You can do up to 3 summon mobs as long as they can be mezzed. Do your best to time charm switches for as little time taking damage as possible, using the cast / recast half way method mentioned above and roll heal song between. Once you get lowish on health just switch to mez x 3 and then heal song til you are back to full health and resume charm killing.
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Does being summoned interrupt your songs?

[Puluin]

When mez works, I had some luck with timing mez + dots. time mez to land just after server tick. this seemed to work more effectively than tank n spank on certain mobs in Skyshrine. When i hit 50% hp i would let dots die and just mez + regen hp. mind you this is entirely situational and is only effective if you have excellent timing.

[Legidias]

Does being summoned interrupt your songs?

No but the instant bash will

[Wallicker]

Snare fear dot dot highsun you can fear kite a mob on its spawn point all day and avoid it training in tight areas

[jazzman_so_fresh]

Man, I wish I would think about highsun more often. I probably don't use it because 50% of the time it won't work.

[Wallicker]

Also if you plan on soloing in a dungeon as a bard, tserrinas whip and/or an anklesmasher after you tash is some op shit almost 5mins of no having to snare. GET GOOD BARDS! Dual melodious truncheons for that long duration mez proc to regen up easier as well.

[Wallicker]

can also charm a non summoning mob give it items, root net it then chain charm the summoning mob at it then finish of summoner once it’s dead.

[Wallicker]

Works good for casters too

[Tecmos Deception]

Keep in mind that summon only fires off if it's been at least 10 seconds since the last summon, AND the mob has a melee attack ready to use (and isn't casting, and is below 97% hp, of course). So if you're trying to use charm to kill (especially if your pet isn't also 51+), slow on the mob can buy you a bit of extra time usually to recharm before you get summoned (or to mez the mob if it isn't dotted, I guess?). I assume you'll still probably get summoned, especially if you're doing the slowing and not your pet via proc, but at least you won't get your song charm bashed as often and your pet maybe can get aggro back before 10 seconds pass and another summon is ready.

You can also force the mob to burn its summon on your pet so that, with good timing, the summon isn't ready to use on you when charm breaks. Pet back off a few times so it tried to come back towards you will probably trigger a summon even if there's no snares/roots involved, and your pet won't miss much melee damage in that time. This probably is your best bet for handling this, I would think.

[Wallicker]

Also shield of song will eat the bash and hence your interrupt

[remen]

Highsun heals the mob the same as when a mob gates on you. Rolling dots and twisting in mez is a terrible idea. If you are going that kind of route hit it with 2-3 dots, then charm and use pet sit commsnd for max dot damage, and roll heal song while it is charmed. When you get lowish health then let dots finish and keep it mezzed while you heal.

Also if you are in tight quarters watch your mez push.

[sacman08]

With the exception of the rare quest mob you want to kill on your own I wouldn't suggest making a habit of bard soloing higher lvl summoning mobs.

This.

[Tecmos Deception]

Also shield of song will eat the bash and hence your interrupt

Runea stop bash interrupt? Since when?

[jazzman_so_fresh]

Ankle smasher probably works in western wastes, but not a dungeon. I need the Selos consonant slow.

I like the idea of backing off pet so that it eats a summon. I will probably have to die a few times to get it right.

As for the pet sit technique, bards charm up to lvl 51, and I think summoning mobs start at lvl 52, so I can't charm them.

And shield of song might eat the bash, but doesn't that only work if the bash comes before the double attack? If the double attack happens first, your shield is gone.

[Toomuch]

52+ you’re looking at fear kite or fight/mez/repeat only.

As others have stated, there are some helpful tricks to fear kiting, including snare proc and
Highsun.

For tank & spank, I found I could dot/DS things down surprisingly well with AE dot/slow, other AE string songs, with string instrument equipped of course, mana/healsong, and stack as many DS’s as I can in there as well, including SS bracer clicky, and DS pot if you’ve got the plat to blow. Then when you get below 50 or 40, mez and regenerate, and start over. It’s painful, but doable, as long as you can land mez on that mob.

[Tecmos Deception]

Ankle smasher probably works in western wastes, but not a dungeon. I need the Selos consonant slow.

I like the idea of backing off pet so that it eats a summon. I will probably have to die a few times to get it right.

As for the pet sit technique, bards charm up to lvl 51, and I think summoning mobs start at lvl 52, so I can't charm them.

And shield of song might eat the bash, but doesn't that only work if the bash comes before the double attack? If the double attack happens first, your shield is gone.

Generally, 51s summon. Might be differences in Velious, but it's basically universal in kunark and classic. I'm still not sure runes blocking all of a bash will stop the interrupt effect though.

[enjchanter]

Generally, 51s summon. Might be differences in Velious, but it's basically universal in kunark and classic. I'm still not sure runes blocking all of a bash will stop the interrupt effect though.

Runes do not stop you from getting bashed/ stunned

[Wallicker]

Yea I went and tested this runes will negated bash dmg but not interrupt the stun effect sorry for Mis info.

[jazzman_so_fresh]

Update: I solo'ed the treasure chest outside the PoM castle at lvl 59 by using two dots and +160MR songs. He didn't summon at all. The only thing that landed on me was mana drain and Tash. I wouldn't recommend doing again because it takes me 1.5h to regen mana.

Also tried charming the skunks outside of the chest room. Yeah, you get summoned, but they don't hit hard. I think it's doable if you don't agro peachy.