Damage Dealer Rankings [Archive]

eqravenprince

04-07-2011, 03:46 PM

I'm guessing someone has already done the math on this. But what do you think the sustained damage rankings are? Assume they have the best equipment and buffs, and non stop pulls. Here is my guess, probably completely wrong.

1. Rogue
2. Monk
3. Wizard
4. Ranger
5. Bard
6. Warrior
7. Magician
8. Necromancer
9. Shaman
10. Shadow Knight
11. Paladin
12. Druid
13. Enchanter
14. Cleric

Supaskillz

04-07-2011, 03:56 PM

Kunark changes alot, but Mage pets melee damage only was only behind rogues and monks on my parser before kunark on raids so I think mages are likely higher on the list. I think rogue and monk at 1 and 2 is correct in your typical group, but I never had a parser to test back in the day.

Gear is very important for melee though and no one on the server has the best rogue weapon in game ( thornstinger ) so I'm not sure it makes sense to compare with best gear

Daldaen

04-07-2011, 04:00 PM

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Quick parse from our 2~ grouping of Hate recently. I'd put Warrior higher on your list though. Bards generally aren't that great DPS unless they are stacking DoTs and not helping their group at all... which would be epic failure.

guineapig

04-07-2011, 04:05 PM

Looks to me like the enchanter forgot to haste his rat =)

Lazortag

04-07-2011, 04:10 PM

I'm guessing someone has already done the math on this. But what do you think the sustained damage rankings are? Assume they have the best equipment and buffs, and non stop pulls. Here is my guess, probably completely wrong.

1. Rogue
2. Monk
3. Wizard
4. Ranger
5. Bard
6. Warrior
7. Magician
8. Necromancer
9. Shaman
10. Shadow Knight
11. Paladin
12. Druid
13. Enchanter
14. Cleric

Some of this is definitely wrong but I'll only comment on the placing of Bards since I play one. Bards definitely do not out-DPS warriors or other tanks. With all their dots they probably would, but roughly even con mobs resist those very often, so in ordinary situations tanks do more damage since the Bard would just be using his weapons.

As hinted above, your list makes little sense unless you specify dungeons, levels, etc. If you had a group of level 60's, one of each class, fighting mid-50's mobs, then Bards would probably beat clerics and that's about it.

baalzy

04-07-2011, 04:10 PM

With best gear in the game you're going to have all the melee classes ahead of the magic classes. Paladins/Shadowknights with a 51/53 2hb + max str & max haste, or a 39/47 with 200+dmg ice proc will put out higher numbers then any caster. The reason being, a casters spells are as effective now as they will ever be. Necros/mages can slightly boost their overall maximum DPS by getting focus items, but that's it.

I pick paladins/sks to talk about simply because they're without a doubt the lowest DPS providing melee in the game (i don't count bards as melee)

(gear references)
http://wiki.project1999.org/index.php/Blackstone_Maul

http://wiki.project1999.org/index.php/Frozen_Zweihander

Muergan

04-07-2011, 04:21 PM

was a druid's rat pet hehe :)

Daldaen

04-07-2011, 04:24 PM

was a druid's rat pet hehe :)

^ that was my rat, and Yea I probably forgot to haste. Used to Savage Spirit being a 30min+ long buff :(

Mcbard

04-07-2011, 04:24 PM

I used to parse about 7dps at level 50 on planar trash with 2x 11/25 weps. Bard melee dps is not very good, lol.

Ankiilbiter

04-07-2011, 04:54 PM

Would be nice to see a "true" parse of dps, in other words a fight lasting 5min or longer. 1minute could be subject to lucky crits and such.

How about a parse from a planar raid perhaps?

Ankiilbiter

04-07-2011, 04:59 PM

I'm guessing someone has already done the math on this. But what do you think the sustained damage rankings are? Assume they have the best equipment and buffs, and non stop pulls. Here is my guess, probably completely wrong.

1. Rogue
2. Monk
3. Wizard
4. Ranger
5. Bard
6. Warrior
7. Magician
8. Necromancer
9. Shaman
10. Shadow Knight
11. Paladin
12. Druid
13. Enchanter
14. Cleric

Imho, I would think it would be this...

1. Rogue
2. Monk
3. Necromancer
4. Magician
5. Wizard
6. Ranger
7. Shadow Knight
8. Warrior
9. Shaman
10. Paladin
11. Bard
12. Druid
13. Enchanter
14. Cleric

This is of course assuming a raid boss, not a 30second skirmish.

YendorLootmonkey

04-07-2011, 05:02 PM

Imho, I would think it would be this...

1. Rogue
2. Monk
3. Necromancer
4. Magician
5. Wizard
6. Ranger
7. Shadow Knight
8. Warrior
9. Shaman
10. Paladin
11. Bard
12. Druid
13. Enchanter
14. Cleric

This is of course assuming a raid boss, not a 30second skirmish.

On a raid boss that DT's, you should take the one ranger on the raid off that list entirely.

Grizzl

04-07-2011, 05:13 PM

I notice that mage's and necromancer's are included and must assume
this is with pet damage....that being the case, id have to go with Enchanter
as #1 with a charmed pet of his choice. (which is common in groups now)
Add in a few DD;s and dot's and all others shall kneel.......

Dr4z3r

04-07-2011, 05:18 PM

Let's be honest here, in a real raid situation (I'll say a planar clear at 50), it's probably something like this:

1. Enchanter Pet
--MASSIVE GAP--
2. Rogue
2. Monk
4. Necro Pet
4. Mage Pet
6. Ranger
6. Wizard
8. Shadowknight
8. Paladin
10. Warrior
--MASSIVE GAP--
11. Bard (can technically melee for damage)
12. Necro (pumping is zero dps)
12. Mage (mod-rodding is zero dps)
12. Shaman (buffing is zero dps)
12. Enchanter (cc'ing is zero dps)
12. Druid (off-healing is zero dps)
12. Clerics (aka c-heal bots)

Daldaen

04-07-2011, 05:33 PM

Would be nice to see a "true" parse of dps, in other words a fight lasting 5min or longer. 1minute could be subject to lucky crits and such.

How about a parse from a planar raid perhaps?

Invite me on your next god kill and I'll parse for you :)

randal.flagg

04-07-2011, 05:58 PM

I'm surprised no one mentioned wizard lures or AoE here. Although, caster dmg is as good as it will get, the lure line for wizards makes them quite formidable. And the AE lines are off the charts. This is in stark contrast to the dps pre-kunark (thinking PoSky... eww... like 0 dps).

I'd be inclined to break this list out into different sub-sets... you're going to see a lot different results from a grouping situation to a raiding situation.

That being said...

Area Of Effect FTW

Wave AoE
At lvl 52 my AoE wave spell hits 4 mobs for a total of ~2100 dmg each (8400 dmg total per cast). This uses a mear 390 mana. My current mana pool allows for 6 casts of this.

in a perfect world i'm capable of dealing 67,000 dmg with a full bar of mana.
(6 casts X 4 mobs X 4 waves X 700 dmg = 67,000)

PBAE
At 53 my PBAE does 495 dmg to ALL creatures for a measly 285 mana. Lets just assume a moderately sized group of mobs - 20.

20 mobs X 8 casts X 495 dmg = 79,200 dmg. (3,960 to each mob)

Given 40 mobs...

40 mobs X 8 casts X 495 dmg = 158,000 dmg.

I'd like to see any class keep up with that DPS, even if it is spot damage... and this is at lvl 53. I have no clue what the manapool of a lvl 60 wizard would look like.

Trimm

04-07-2011, 06:19 PM

That problem with the Wiz AE is you can only do it once on a raid before you are accepting a rez box.

Hoggen

04-07-2011, 06:45 PM

Second what Trimm said. No raid is going to support AE in Kunark or SOV raids. It's too much of a PITA to coordinate. Most AE groups fail due to lack of skill or attention. Raid is ten times as bad.

Ankiilbiter

04-07-2011, 06:55 PM

Invite me on your next god kill and I'll parse for you :)

Lol, sure thing. I meant any boss though really that takes more than a minute to take down.

Ankiilbiter

04-07-2011, 06:57 PM

@randal.flag

Umm, last I checked you don't kill Trakanon by AoE'ing. I mean if you want to have some AoE fun just gather all of Crushbone and splatter about 50 orcs in one fell swoop. Regardless though, that's still not a true representation of raid dps.

Kassel

04-07-2011, 07:00 PM

The key word to keep in mind is substained. The OP was looking in terms of "non stop pulls"

Kvappe

04-07-2011, 07:06 PM

group in chardok with 57monk 55rogue 55druid 56chanter 53cleric 54shaman

rogue about 80dps
monk about 80dps
pets arown 40-50dps both the druid and chanters

Ankiilbiter

04-07-2011, 07:08 PM

Kvappe, I only played a Necro from PoP and beyond, but does it still hold true that Mage/Necro pets pump out more than other classes pets or is it the same for awhile until later expansions?

baalzy

04-08-2011, 12:31 PM

Mage/Necro cast pets are stronger than Enchanter/Shaman pets. Although Beastlords have the strongest pets.

Druid/Enchanters pets in Kvappes post would be charmed mobs.

Bubbles

04-08-2011, 01:03 PM

Enchanter
Necro
Monk
Rogue
....
Other stuff.

Rasah

04-08-2011, 01:04 PM

If you are talking about typical exp grind groups of single pulls, you have wizards way too high. At level 51, Draught of Fire does 643 damage for 194 mana (assuming Spec:Evoc). It will take the wizard 7 tics (42 seconds) to med that back (with clarity). Basically putting their sustained DPS at 15.

Note: On live, 1 out of 3 rain waves were resisted, making this less viable.

In a quick fight, they are certainly up there. But sustained you have them too high.

Ankiilbiter

04-08-2011, 01:53 PM

On a raid boss that DT's, you should take the one ranger on the raid off that list entirely.

Lol, just read this. I thought it was a matter of pride on my Ranger, which I will probably start one up again eventually just to get DT'd, haha.

Ohh ranger's, red headed step-child of EQ.

Dantes

04-08-2011, 02:05 PM

Nobody ever agrees on this shit.

Seaweedpimp

04-08-2011, 02:16 PM

Charmers are obviously #1, then rogues, then proabaly monks. Then at 60 wizards are probably king again (still behind charm classes) by far.

eqravenprince

04-08-2011, 02:28 PM

After seeing a few posts putting Enchanter higher up in the rankings because of a charmed pet, why wouldn't a Bard also be higher up. Can't a bard charm just as well? Add melee damage on top of that, seems like maybe they should be at the top.

baalzy

04-08-2011, 02:37 PM

After seeing a few posts putting Enchanter higher up in the rankings because of a charmed pet, why wouldn't a Bard also be higher up. Can't a bard charm just as well? Add melee damage on top of that, seems like maybe they should be at the top.

Cause a bard can't charm fight while doing the rest of their job effectively. Bards also can't haste their pet.

Enchanter pets are WTFPWN because they're hitting as hard as the mobs you're currently fighting (which will be harder then any character can hit), but with 60% haste. Then, as long as the enchanter can rely on their charm lasting a reasonable amount of time they're still able to perform their other job duties.

Wenai

04-08-2011, 02:37 PM

Charmers are obviously #1, then rogues, then proabaly monks. Then at 60 wizards are probably king again (still behind charm classes) by far.
Wizards can't consistently be in the DPS ranking every pull or every kill. If we are talking single targets, then yeah, Wizard will look good. This is why I have always HATED having wizards in groups (other than AE groups obviously).

If you have a well balanced group, a wizard offers pretty much nothing to a group. You are chain pulling creatures and they nuke once every two pulls or so and really don't offer anything. Seriously. A pet class like a Magician will offer so much more with their pet DPS than a wizard ever will.

fischsemmel

04-08-2011, 02:45 PM

sustained damage rankings

. . .

3. Wizard

Really?

Kassel

04-08-2011, 02:45 PM

Enchanter
Necro
Monk
Rogue
....
Other stuff.

This weekend, you and i are grouping !! you need some rogue love IMO

Bubbles

04-08-2011, 02:52 PM

After seeing a few posts putting Enchanter higher up in the rankings because of a charmed pet, why wouldn't a Bard also be higher up. Can't a bard charm just as well? Add melee damage on top of that, seems like maybe they should be at the top.

lol no for 2 reasons.

1. ) Bard charm is generally a temporary crowd control thing. A bard can do a real good job of locking down one mob on an overpull to buy CC classes the time to lock adds down. An enchanter (and come kunark a necro) is going to hold a pet the entire raid. A bard charms in emergencies, or as a pulling tool. He'll never, ever be charming continuously for DPS.

2. ) On most raids a bard is going to be manasonging AFK most of the time and would actually be on the bottom of the list. =P

eqravenprince

04-08-2011, 03:12 PM

Really?

Wishful thinking I guess =). I always though Wizards should be near or at the top of the damage charts.

Ankiilbiter

04-08-2011, 03:27 PM

Wishful thinking I guess =). I always though Wizards should be near or at the top of the damage charts.

Wait a few expansions, and Wizards will be. But that's assuming a few things... Lots of AA's, High Mana Regen, and very good focus items. Right now, the issue is without an enchie buff and bard mana song playing, wizards go OOM too often to consistently make mob's explode.

Messianic

04-08-2011, 03:39 PM

Wizards can't consistently be in the DPS ranking every pull or every kill. If we are talking single targets, then yeah, Wizard will look good. This is why I have always HATED having wizards in groups (other than AE groups obviously).

If you have a well balanced group, a wizard offers pretty much nothing to a group. You are chain pulling creatures and they nuke once every two pulls or so and really don't offer anything. Seriously. A pet class like a Magician will offer so much more with their pet DPS than a wizard ever will.

Wishful thinking I guess =). I always though Wizards should be near or at the top of the damage charts.

Nah, our sustained dps sucks. Wenai has it right - the problem with wizards is they really don't offer much to groups. You'd rather have a Vocarate: Water pet backstabbing the garbage out of a mob and a relatively afk mage than an equal level wizard if you're talking sustained dps. If we could really nuke a lot more often than the mage, we might be more useful. But such is classic.

Now, if you measure where we rank in damage on the last 60% of a boss (who happens to have a crapton of hp) fight, sure - we might measure up. But it's definitely not sustained.

And as has been mentioned, an AoEing wizard is usually a soon-to-be-dead wizard unless you have chanters hard at work stunning the whole group. Esp because our level 53 PBAoE is a stun, so pulls even more aggro than merely nuking the mobs...

eqravenprince

04-08-2011, 04:19 PM

Wait a few expansions, and Wizards will be. But that's assuming a few things... Lots of AA's, High Mana Regen, and very good focus items. Right now, the issue is without an enchie buff and bard mana song playing, wizards go OOM too often to consistently make mob's explode.

AA's wasn't until Luclin I believe, so we won't see that here. Oh well... sometimes fun to play a character not too many others are playing. Started up a Erudite Shadowknight last night.. not too many of them.

Lazortag

04-08-2011, 04:40 PM

After seeing a few posts putting Enchanter higher up in the rankings because of a charmed pet, why wouldn't a Bard also be higher up. Can't a bard charm just as well? Add melee damage on top of that, seems like maybe they should be at the top.

The main reason this wouldn't work is the fact that our Charm lasts a maximum of 12 seconds. You can reapply it once it finishes, but even assuming no resists (which is ridiculous since it resists rather often), you still risk getting beat on a lot.

Ankiilbiter

04-08-2011, 04:40 PM

AA's wasn't until Luclin I believe, so we won't see that here. Oh well... sometimes fun to play a character not too many others are playing. Started up a Erudite Shadowknight last night.. not too many of them.

Yeah, Erudite SK's are rare. I'll be starting up a Wood Elf Warrior eventually sometime as a fun side project. On my classic server, I only ever remember seeing 1 Wood Elf Warrior that raided. Was funny when most (including myself) would confuse him for a Ranger.

Edzilla

04-08-2011, 04:53 PM

According to Verant, back in 2001, or whenever kunark first came out - the warrior was suppose to be only beaten in melee dps by the Rogue and Monk. Since they do not have the spells and such that other tanks have, they rely on their dps + taunt to keep their threat levels high. I think bard is pretty low on the dps - could be wrong though. And Necro/mage dps is pretty close to a wizards?

Messianic

04-08-2011, 04:57 PM

And Necro/mage dps is pretty close to a wizards?

This is all about time horizon.

But over the course of an entire group experience/raid (provided pets are out, which in some cases they wouldn't be), necro/mage will be higher.

Flavor

04-08-2011, 05:12 PM

1. Broken Rage of Zomm Spam
--MASSIVE GAP--
2. Enchanter Pet
--MASSIVE GAP--
3. Rogue
3. Monk
5. Necro Pet
5. Mage Pet
7. Ranger
7. Wizard
9. Shadowknight
9. Paladin
11. Warrior
--MASSIVE GAP--
12. Bard (can technically melee for damage)
13. Necro (pumping is zero dps)
13. Mage (mod-rodding is zero dps)
13. Shaman (buffing is zero dps)
13. Enchanter (cc'ing is zero dps)
13. Druid (off-healing is zero dps)
13. Clerics (aka c-heal bots)

Fix'd

baalzy

04-08-2011, 05:13 PM

Necro DoTs are way more mana efficient for the damage they deal then any nuke, and when resists aren't all wonky then certain ones are almost impossible to resist. The boiling blood line & splurt should be really hard to resist for mobs that aren't immune to fire/magic, lifetap DoTs are unresistable. To top it off their mana regen is significantly higher than a wizard. If you're fighting a mob that is going to take 5+ min to kill a necromancer, even without a pet, is going to far out-pace a wizard in DPS.

Of course only one necromancer is capable of doing this damage, while multiple wizards can nuke the same mob.

Felizcat

04-08-2011, 06:35 PM

According to Verant, back in 2001, or whenever kunark first came out - the warrior was suppose to be only beaten in melee dps by the Rogue and Monk. Since they do not have the spells and such that other tanks have, they rely on their dps + taunt to keep their threat levels high. I think bard is pretty low on the dps - could be wrong though. And Necro/mage dps is pretty close to a wizards?

Bard melee was supposed to do 60% of warrior dps. Something that in the end was even lower. Going to google for some FoH graphics on the subject.

nalkin

04-08-2011, 07:09 PM

Necro pet really does more dps than water pet backstabbing?

Knuckle

04-08-2011, 08:13 PM

Would be nice to see a "true" parse of dps, in other words a fight lasting 5min or longer. 1minute could be subject to lucky crits and such.

How about a parse from a planar raid perhaps?

lucky crits? its going to come out the same either way, this isnt a fucking zombie in ec tunnel that goes down in 4 hits.

Edzilla

04-08-2011, 08:32 PM

Necro pet really does more dps than water pet backstabbing?

Necro pets backstab too?

Mardur

04-08-2011, 09:17 PM

lucky crits? its going to come out the same either way, this isnt a fucking zombie in ec tunnel that goes down in 4 hits.

Haha, Cleric of Innoruuk? I can easily find some logs of KC/Chardok/Seb mobs where I beat rogues/monks as a warrior. I can also find logs of me discing Mighty Strike in berserker frenzy doing dps that'd make a monk or rogue cream his pants. But usually I can't out-dps a monk or rogue.

Lrn2statistics

Knuckle

04-08-2011, 10:28 PM

Haha, Cleric of Innoruuk? I can easily find some logs of KC/Chardok/Seb mobs where I beat rogues/monks as a warrior. I can also find logs of me discing Mighty Strike in berserker frenzy doing dps that'd make a monk or rogue cream his pants. But usually I can't out-dps a monk or rogue.

Lrn2statistics

wow and i can inner flame or duelist and shit all over that dps.

Zephys

04-08-2011, 11:12 PM

The best way to properly illustrate what you guys are talking about would be with a level-based line graph.

Supaskillz

04-09-2011, 12:51 AM

Use a parser and aggregate over all mobs for an hour or more. Obviously 1 mob is a horrid sample.

My parser cant see spell damage from other players spells (or I dont know how to use it properly) so I basically just used it to see my own damage. If you have a parser you can use on p99 that can see others spell and proc damage I would be interested in seeing it.

Daldaen

04-09-2011, 01:36 AM

<table cellpadding="3" bgcolor="DimGray"> <tr bgcolor="MidnightBlue"><td align="left" colspan="14"> Combined: A revultant rat on 4/7/2011 </tr> <tr bgcolor="Black"><td align="left"> <td align="left"> Damage by <td align="right"> Total <td align="right"> % of Tot <td align="right"> Time <td align="right"> DPS <td align="right"> Scaled <td align="right"> Hits <td align="right"> Max hit <td align="right"> Avg hit <td align="right"> Dmg to PC <td align="right"> NPC DPS <td align="left"> Special <td align="left"> </tr> <tr bgcolor="MidnightBlue"><td align="left"> <td align="left"> Total <td align="right"> 742693 <td align="right"> 100% <td align="right"> 4297 <td align="right"> 173 <td align="right"> 173 <td align="right"> 19731 <td align="right"> 688 <td align="right"> 37 <td align="right"> 160326 <td align="right"> 37 <td align="left"> <td align="left"> </tr> <tr bgcolor="Black"><td align="left"> <td align="left"> Rogue <td align="right"> 166346 <td align="right"> 22.4% <td align="right"> 4295 <td align="right"> 39 <td align="right"> 39 <td align="right"> 4394 <td align="right"> 290 <td align="right"> 37 <td align="right"> 899 <td align="right"> 0 <td align="left"> <td align="left"> </tr> <tr bgcolor="MidnightBlue"><td align="left"> <td align="left"> Rogue <td align="right"> 149632 <td align="right"> 20.15% <td align="right"> 4248 <td align="right"> 35 <td align="right"> 35 <td align="right"> 4578 <td align="right"> 296 <td align="right"> 32 <td align="right"> 64 <td align="right"> 0 <td align="left"> <td align="left"> </tr> <tr bgcolor="Black"><td align="left"> <td align="left"> A revultant rat <td align="right"> 113508 <td align="right"> 15.28% <td align="right"> 4155 <td align="right"> 27 <td align="right"> 26 <td align="right"> 1399 <td align="right"> 147 <td align="right"> 81 <td align="right"> 21043 <td align="right"> 5 <td align="left"> <td align="left"> </tr> <tr bgcolor="MidnightBlue"><td align="left"> <td align="left"> Monk <td align="right"> 108937 <td align="right"> 14.67% <td align="right"> 4294 <td align="right"> 25 <td align="right"> 25 <td align="right"> 3329 <td align="right"> 138 <td align="right"> 32 <td align="right"> 6135 <td align="right"> 1 <td align="left"> <td align="left"> </tr> <tr bgcolor="Black"><td align="left"> <td align="left"> An abhorrent <td align="right"> 64884 <td align="right"> 8.74% <td align="right"> 1838 <td align="right"> 35 <td align="right"> 15 <td align="right"> 648 <td align="right"> 220 <td align="right"> 100 <td align="right"> 10353 <td align="right"> 7 <td align="left"> <td align="left"> </tr> <tr bgcolor="MidnightBlue"><td align="left"> <td align="left"> Paladin <td align="right"> 47709 <td align="right"> 6.42% <td align="right"> 4292 <td align="right"> 11 <td align="right"> 11 <td align="right"> 1305 <td align="right"> 71 <td align="right"> 36 <td align="right"> 87165 <td align="right"> 20 <td align="left"> <td align="left"> </tr> <tr bgcolor="Black"><td align="left"> <td align="left"> Bard <td align="right"> 33212 <td align="right"> 4.47% <td align="right"> 4280 <td align="right"> 8 <td align="right"> 8 <td align="right"> 1932 <td align="right"> 36 <td align="right"> 17 <td align="right"> 2132 <td align="right"> 1 <td align="left"> <td align="left"> </tr> <tr bgcolor="MidnightBlue"><td align="left"> <td align="left"> Bard <td align="right"> 25624 <td align="right"> 3.45% <td align="right"> 4291 <td align="right"> 6 <td align="right"> 6 <td align="right"> 1647 <td align="right"> 38 <td align="right"> 15 <td align="right"> 4043 <td align="right"> 1 <td align="left"> <td align="left"> </tr> <tr bgcolor="Black"><td align="left"> <td align="left"> Daldaen <td align="right"> 25440 <td align="right"> 3.43% <td align="right"> 4123 <td align="right"> 6 <td align="right"> 6 <td align="right"> 222 <td align="right"> 688 <td align="right"> 114 <td align="right"> 5897 <td align="right"> 2 <td align="left"> X <td align="left"> </tr> <tr bgcolor="MidnightBlue"><td align="left"> <td align="left"> Kebantik <td align="right"> 6868 <td align="right"> 0.92% <td align="right"> 515 <td align="right"> 13 <td align="right"> 2 <td align="right"> 220 <td align="right"> 47 <td align="right"> 31 <td align="right"> 228 <td align="right"> 3 <td align="left"> <td align="left"> </tr> <tr bgcolor="Black"><td align="left"> <td align="left"> Shaman <td align="right"> 512 <td align="right"> 0.07% <td align="right"> 3911 <td align="right"> 0 <td align="right"> 0 <td align="right"> 55 <td align="right"> 23 <td align="right"> 9 <td align="right"> 7796 <td align="right"> 2 <td align="left"> <td align="left"> </tr> <tr bgcolor="MidnightBlue"><td align="left"> <td align="left"> Cleric <td align="right"> 12 <td align="right"> 0% <td align="right"> 1 <td align="right"> 12 <td align="right"> 0 <td align="right"> 1 <td align="right"> 12 <td align="right"> 12 <td align="right"> 494 <td align="right"> 99 <td align="left"> <td align="left"> </tr> <tr bgcolor="Black"><td align="left"> <td align="left"> Enchanter <td align="right"> 9 <td align="right"> 0% <td align="right"> 3639 <td align="right"> 0 <td align="right"> 0 <td align="right"> 1 <td align="right"> 9 <td align="right"> 9 <td align="right"> 9686 <td align="right"> 2 <td align="left"> X <td align="left"> </tr> <tr bgcolor="MidnightBlue"><td align="left"> <td align="left"> Cleric <td align="right"> 0 <td align="right"> 0% <td align="right"> 0 <td align="right"> 0 <td align="right"> 0 <td align="right"> 0 <td align="right"> 0 <td align="right"> 0 <td align="right"> 1239 <td align="right"> 0 <td align="left"> <td align="left"> </tr> <tr bgcolor="Black"><td align="left"> <td align="left"> Cleric <td align="right"> 0 <td align="right"> 0% <td align="right"> 0 <td align="right"> 0 <td align="right"> 0 <td align="right"> 0 <td align="right"> 0 <td align="right"> 0 <td align="right"> 1732 <td align="right"> 1 <td align="left"> <td align="left"> </tr> <tr bgcolor="MidnightBlue"><td align="left"> <td align="left"> A forsaken revenant pet <td align="right"> 0 <td align="right"> 0% <td align="right"> 0 <td align="right"> 0 <td align="right"> 0 <td align="right"> 0 <td align="right"> 0 <td align="right"> 0 <td align="right"> 1420 <td align="right"> 118 <td align="left"> <td align="left"> </tr> <tr bgcolor="darkgreen"> <td colspan="14" align="right"> <a href="http://gambosoft.com/forum/"> Produced by GamParse v1.0.2 </a> </td> </tr> </table>
Special: 7 - 7th yr vet G - Glyph K - Kiss S - Staunch X - Slain $ - Saved by DI

Thats 70~ mobs combined. But we run with a relatively small crew of people. So don't have all classes represented etc.

And, due to myself charming a pet I would semikite it around during breaks if the chanter was busy with other stuff. So i missed some damage that way.

Mardur

04-09-2011, 02:38 AM

Seriously dude? Top dps 39? lol

Mardur

04-09-2011, 02:45 AM

Why can't I get gamparse to combine my fights.

Messianic

04-09-2011, 10:57 AM

Necro pets backstab too?

Spell Level (pet level) Spell Name Class Appearance HP Swing Bash Kick Backstab Lifetap Skills
1 (1) Cavorting Bones War Skeleton 30 10 N/A N/A N/A N/A None
4 (5) Learing Corpse War Skeleton 90 12 N/A N/A N/A N/A None
8 (9) Bone Walk War Skeleton 200 14 6 N/A N/A N/A Bash
12 (11) Convoke Shadow War Skeleton 200 16 6 N/A N/A N/A Bash
16 (16) Restless Bones War Skeleton 300 20 8 7 N/A N/A Bash, Kick
20 (19) Animate Dead War Skeleton 375 22 8 8 N/A N/A Bash, Kick, Double Attack
24 (22) Haunting Corpse War Skeleton 700 26 8 8 N/A N/A Bash, Kick, Double Attack
29 (25) Summon Dead War Skeleton 775 28 9 9 N/A N/A Bash, Kick, Double Attack, Duel Wield (must be given 2 weapons to duel wield)
34 (29) Invoke Shadow War Skeleton 850 32 12 12 N/A N/A Bash, Kick, Double Attack, Duel Wield (will duel wield without weapons)
39 (33) Malignant Dead War Skeleton 1000 39 15 15 N/A N/A Bash, Kick, Double Attack, Duel Wield
44 (37) Cackling Bones War Skeleton 1300 47 19 19 N/A ? Bash, Kick, Double Attack, Duel Wield, Lifetap
49 (41) Invoke Death War Skeleton 2300 55 25 25 N/A ? Bash, Kick, Double Attack, Duel Wield, Lifetap
53 (43) Minion of Shadow Rogue Skeleton 1400 57 N/A N/A 110-165 ? Backstab, Double Attack, Duel Wield, Lifetap
56 (44) Servant of Bones Monk Skeleton 1700 59 N/A 71 N/A ? Flying Kick, Double Attack, Duel Wield, Lifetap
59 (47) Emissary of Thule War Spectre 2700 69 40 N/A N/A ? Bash, Double Attack, Duel Wield, Lifetap, Immune to fear

Daldaen

04-09-2011, 01:05 PM

Seriously dude? Top dps 39? lol

Yea that's the issue with combining them while managing a charmed pet. Any time I was out of range I calculated their dps as 0. Individual fights they t in high 60s low 70s

Mcbard

04-09-2011, 02:08 PM

Enchanters probably don't make the best parsers hehe.

Edzilla

04-09-2011, 05:04 PM

Oh, I guess the spectra doesn't backstab. I'm assuming it does more damage then the backstab pet?

bled12345

04-09-2011, 05:36 PM

Before i quit, as a level 54 warrior, with max 255 strength, and chanter haste...

And the every hit is a critical hit discipline, dual wielding wurmslayers....

I was quadding in the 500's lol for 30 secs with crippling blows lol.

Acillatem

04-09-2011, 10:42 PM

Wizards suk for sustained DPS, but are awesome at burst DPS.....it's situational - but a situation that comes up frequently in XP groups.

Not only that but stuns, roots, etc.

Additional CC via Flux staff/root/rune basically means I can root park mobs and require little (if any) healing.

The ability to evac is nice to.

But when you pull 5 mobs and ENC/CLR were lom to begin with - you need shit dead quick. A WIZ would make the diff between a corpse run and a med break heh.

There's a lot you can do to break the mold and make yourself a viable group member as a WIZ.

Nuke/med is just underplaying the class IMO. I love my stuns. They are so useful - allowing CLR to get that extra 3 secs on a CH when things go south. Allowing the ENC to get their pets under control etc. The burst DPS is also great. Utilize all yer damn spells. Not just Draught of Wtf-ever-you-have.

Messianic

04-09-2011, 10:47 PM

Oh, I guess the spectra doesn't backstab. I'm assuming it does more damage then the backstab pet?

Without any personal experience, I'd say yes, given its overall higher hits and higher pet level.

finalgrunt

04-11-2011, 07:53 PM

Before i quit, as a level 54 warrior, with max 255 strength, and chanter haste...

And the every hit is a critical hit discipline, dual wielding wurmslayers....

I was quadding in the 500's lol for 30 secs with crippling blows lol.

Which is wrong. It was not like this in classic. My warrior dps was pretty pathetic.

As for mages, people always forget to factor the damage shield. Which in a group setup with constant pulling, deals a huge amount of damage.

Mardur

04-11-2011, 08:01 PM

Fully buffed, I do about 85 dps average as a warrior. Over 100 while discing.

Most groups I don't even really need proc weapons anymore as I hold aggro by straight up doing 35-45% of the damage each fight.

baalzy

04-11-2011, 08:07 PM

Which is wrong. It was not like this in classic. My warrior dps was pretty pathetic.

As for mages, people always forget to factor the damage shield. Which in a group setup with constant pulling, deals a huge amount of damage.

In classic, very few warriors had 1handed weapons with a dmg higher than 10-11. Yet alone 255 str.

Plus, he's dual wielding 1handers with 25dmg on them.

quido

04-11-2011, 08:09 PM

I wish I could see a parse that included DoT damage and such.

Mardur

04-11-2011, 08:15 PM

In classic, very few warriors had 1handed weapons with a dmg higher than 10-11. Yet alone 255 str.

Plus, he's dual wielding 1handers with 25dmg on them.

Sure they did. Wurmslayers were always easy to get, as well as 255 str.

I wish I could see a parse that included DoT damage and such.

Just parse your own...

Edzilla

04-11-2011, 10:25 PM

In classic, very few warriors had 1handed weapons with a dmg higher than 10-11. Yet alone 255 str.

Plus, he's dual wielding 1handers with 25dmg on them.

CoT+Wurmslayer was a very popular combo, on my server, during kunark time period.

baalzy

04-11-2011, 10:30 PM

Yeah.. when I say classic I think classic... ie: not Kunark. Kunark is kunark, not classic.

Daldaen

04-12-2011, 12:24 AM

Before i quit, as a level 54 warrior, with max 255 strength, and chanter haste...

And the every hit is a critical hit discipline, dual wielding wurmslayers....

I was quadding in the 500's lol for 30 secs with crippling blows lol.

Mmmm yes. I was hanging out around Karnor's recently and was afking near a group. Saw this guy duel wielding Wurmslayers and this is what my logs picked up:

[Sun Apr 03 23:18:43 2011] Warrior goes into a berserker frenzy!
[Sun Apr 03 23:18:44 2011] Warrior lands a crippling blow!(440)
[Sun Apr 03 23:18:48 2011] Warrior lands a crippling blow!(396)
[Sun Apr 03 23:18:48 2011] Warrior lands a crippling blow!(276)
[Sun Apr 03 23:18:48 2011] a drolvarg bodyguard has been slain by Warrior!

<3 them. Got my warrior 2:

[Sun Apr 10 01:29:17 2011] Dalbaen lands a crippling blow!(160)
[Sun Apr 10 01:29:37 2011] Dalbaen lands a crippling blow!(160)
[Sun Apr 10 01:30:36 2011] Dalbaen lands a crippling blow!(160)
[Sun Apr 10 01:30:52 2011] Dalbaen lands a crippling blow!(160)
[Sun Apr 10 01:31:42 2011] Dalbaen lands a crippling blow!(160)
[Sun Apr 10 01:43:33 2011] Dalbaen lands a crippling blow!(160)
[Sun Apr 10 01:43:37 2011] Dalbaen lands a crippling blow!(160)

Yes, my naming methods are clever, you don't need to tell me!

Treats

04-12-2011, 01:01 AM

Level 50 Aruspice in Chardok that maxes for 150 and is oom with Wonderous Rapidity (70% Haste) sustains about 100-110 DPS. This is not factoring in charm breaks though.

Origin

04-12-2011, 05:14 AM

Wizards can't consistently be in the DPS ranking every pull or every kill. If we are talking single targets, then yeah, Wizard will look good. This is why I have always HATED having wizards in groups (other than AE groups obviously).

If you have a well balanced group, a wizard offers pretty much nothing to a group. You are chain pulling creatures and they nuke once every two pulls or so and really don't offer anything. Seriously. A pet class like a Magician will offer so much more with their pet DPS than a wizard ever will.

The sad thing is, is that wizards aren't even that great on single targets. There's only so much burst damage they can do before pulling agro even when using concussion (concussion is resistable gg). I had hoped Kunark would turn it around for wizards seeing as how it was the worst class in classic, but really Kunark has just introduced another set of problems. My gripe before were resists. My gripe now is mana inefficiency and generally horrible damage output compared to melee.

The main problem is the fact that spells don't scale as well as weapons in Kunark. Monks, for example, go from dual wielding 14/28 classic weapons to 29/30 or 19/20 2hb in Kunark. Wizards on the other hand go from 400 mana for 1120 damage Ice Comets to 450 mana for 1600 damage Sunstrike. WHOA BROS SIXTEEN HUNDRED DAMAGE!! This goes without talking about monks triple attack at 60 or rogues double backstab at 55. And then you get epics...

Right now, wizards are fairly horrible. It wouldn't be half as bad if rains were working correctly though, but yeah, that's the final nail in the coffin as far as i'm concerned. I got my lvl 9 iksar monk with a Tstaff, he's winning the game as we speak. F wizards.

Oh and for your list:

Rogue
Monk
Charmed pets
Warrior
...
...
...
Other insignificant classes

P.S. If anybody talks shit about how wizards are not nearly as bad as i am claiming, i'll post my parses and make you cry. :D

Origin

04-12-2011, 05:27 AM

Oh and yeah, my tears are salty!

Muzyn

04-13-2011, 03:34 PM

<table cellpadding="3" bgcolor="DimGray"> <tr bgcolor="MidnightBlue"><td align="left" colspan="14"> Cleric of Innoruuk on 4/6/2011 </tr> <tr bgcolor="Black"><td align="left"> <td align="left"> Damage by <td align="right"> Total <td align="right"> % of Tot <td align="right"> Time <td align="right"> DPS <td align="right"> Scaled <td align="right"> Hits <td align="right"> Max hit <td align="right"> Avg hit <td align="right"> Dmg to PC <td align="right"> NPC DPS <td align="left"> Special <td align="left"> </tr> <tr bgcolor="MidnightBlue"><td align="left"> <td align="left"> Total <td align="right"> 9285 <td align="right"> 100% <td align="right"> 56 <td align="right"> 166 <td align="right"> 166 <td align="right"> 267 <td align="right"> 264 <td align="right"> 34 <td align="right"> 3321 <td align="right"> 62 <td align="left"> <td align="left"> </tr> <tr bgcolor="Black"><td align="left"> <td align="left"> Rogue <td align="right"> 2134 <td align="right"> 22.98% <td align="right"> 52 <td align="right"> 41 <td align="right"> 38 <td align="right"> 52 <td align="right"> 264 <td align="right"> 41 <td align="right"> 831 <td align="right"> 166 <td align="left"> <td align="left"> </tr> <tr bgcolor="MidnightBlue"><td align="left"> <td align="left"> Monk <td align="right"> 1953 <td align="right"> 21.03% <td align="right"> 48 <td align="right"> 41 <td align="right"> 35 <td align="right"> 57 <td align="right"> 130 <td align="right"> 34 <td align="right"> 0 <td align="right"> 0 <td align="left"> <td align="left"> </tr> <tr bgcolor="Black"><td align="left"> <td align="left"> A revultant rat <td align="right"> 1916 <td align="right"> 20.64% <td align="right"> 45 <td align="right"> 43 <td align="right"> 34 <td align="right"> 23 <td align="right"> 147 <td align="right"> 83 <td align="right"> 0 <td align="right"> 0 <td align="left"> <td align="left"> </tr> <tr bgcolor="MidnightBlue"><td align="left"> <td align="left"> Warrior <td align="right"> 1666 <td align="right"> 17.94% <td align="right"> 53 <td align="right"> 31 <td align="right"> 30 <td align="right"> 79 <td align="right"> 66 <td align="right"> 21 <td align="right"> 1824 <td align="right"> 36 <td align="left"> <td align="left"> </tr> <tr bgcolor="Black"><td align="left"> <td align="left"> Paladin <td align="right"> 543 <td align="right"> 5.85% <td align="right"> 48 <td align="right"> 11 <td align="right"> 10 <td align="right"> 17 <td align="right"> 66 <td align="right"> 31 <td align="right"> 0 <td align="right"> 0 <td align="left"> <td align="left"> </tr> <tr bgcolor="MidnightBlue"><td align="left"> <td align="left"> Daldaen <td align="right"> 538 <td align="right"> 5.79% <td align="right"> 25 <td align="right"> 22 <td align="right"> 10 <td align="right"> 7 <td align="right"> 184 <td align="right"> 76 <td align="right"> 0 <td align="right"> 0 <td align="left"> <td align="left"> </tr> <tr bgcolor="Black"><td align="left"> <td align="left"> Bard <td align="right"> 525 <td align="right"> 5.65% <td align="right"> 55 <td align="right"> 10 <td align="right"> 9 <td align="right"> 30 <td align="right"> 29 <td align="right"> 17 <td align="right"> 111 <td align="right"> 111 <td align="left"> <td align="left"> </tr> <tr bgcolor="MidnightBlue"><td align="left"> <td align="left"> Shaman <td align="right"> 10 <td align="right"> 0.11% <td align="right"> 22 <td align="right"> 0 <td align="right"> 0 <td align="right"> 2 <td align="right"> 5 <td align="right"> 5 <td align="right"> 0 <td align="right"> 0 <td align="left"> <td align="left"> </tr> <tr bgcolor="Black"><td align="left"> <td align="left"> Enchanter <td align="right"> 0 <td align="right"> 0% <td align="right"> 0 <td align="right"> 0 <td align="right"> 0 <td align="right"> 0 <td align="right"> 0 <td align="right"> 0 <td align="right"> 555 <td align="right"> 555 <td align="left"> <td align="left"> </tr> <tr bgcolor="darkgreen"> <td colspan="14" align="right"> <a href="http://gambosoft.com/forum/"> Produced by GamParse v1.0.2 </a> </td> </tr> </table>
Special: 7 - 7th yr vet G - Glyph K - Kiss S - Staunch X - Slain $ - Saved by DI

Quick parse from our 2~ grouping of Hate recently. I'd put Warrior higher on your list though. Bards generally aren't that great DPS unless they are stacking DoTs and not helping their group at all... which would be epic failure.

Hum.. about a year ago Shewz and I posted logs to confirm that charms can do 150dps in PoHate.

Splorf22

04-13-2011, 11:06 PM

What were you charming that gave you 150 dps in hate? So far my best luck is with a Sarnak Myrmidon which did just under 100 when hasted.

mimixownzall

04-14-2011, 06:46 AM

We used to AE bomb Fear and have it completed in < 1 hour.

Everyone would Pile up, Chanters load their AE stuns. Puller would grab half the zone and bring them to the group. Chain cast AE stuns and AE nukes.

Of course.. that was probably 6 or 7 chanters and 15 or so mages/wizards

mimixownzall

04-14-2011, 06:48 AM

What were you charming that gave you 150 dps in hate? So far my best luck is with a Sarnak Myrmidon which did just under 100 when hasted.

Those clerics can hit for almost 200 a hit. Get them hasted up and they quad like mad