Player-made agreements

[Llandris]

Since some of the player-made agreement threads have been buried due to inactivity, I've decided to create a thread outlining the agreements. Please note; these were not staff created but the staff has and will continue to enforce these agreements unless otherwise stated.

Ring 8 roll (Chief Ry`Gorr)
Your marching orders, your loot, your turn-in.

Scout Charisa roll (Leuz's Task)
Your tools, your loot, your turn-in.

A Shady Goblin roll (Regal Band of Bathezid)
Your report/insignia. Can also be referenced here (http://wiki.project1999.com/A_shady_goblin/Player_Agreement)

This list is not all-inclusive and I'm going to leave it open for suggestions so it can be edited if/when needed.

[loramin]

This list is not all-inclusive and I'm going to leave it open for suggestions so it can be edited if/when needed.

Maybe you left it off because it's raid-level and not individual level, but arguably http://wiki.project1999.com/Plane_of_Sky_Raid_Rotation belongs as a staff-enforced player agreement also.

[Artaenc]

Isn't there a level requirement for these that is agreed upon already? Sucks for people to lose scout rolls/etc to a factioned lvl 10 or what ever minimum level they can do the quest for example.

[planarity]

Maybe you left it off because it's raid-level and not individual level, but arguably http://wiki.project1999.com/Plane_of_Sky_Raid_Rotation belongs as a staff-enforced player agreement also.

There is already a thread for the sky rotation

[Mikebro]

This is great... can we get something like this to list all the back channel raid leader agreements as well? Not trying to rnf or anything I just think it will be good for the server.

Cheers

[kjs86z]

Isn't there a level requirement for these that is agreed upon already? Sucks for people to lose scout rolls/etc to a factioned lvl 10 or what ever minimum level they can do the quest for example.

Scout should be 55+....but it isn't because people need welfare BiS loot on their 9th alt.

[Francois]

Thank you Llandris. Posts like these are really helpful. Even for big nerds like me, it can be hard to keep some of the rules straight.

[loramin]

Scout should be 55+....but it isn't because people need welfare BiS loot on their 9th alt.

It's just how player agreements work here: they're by consensus ... or at least close to it. The staff have never clarified exactly how many people have to agree/can disagree while still managing to create an agreement, but it's always required almost universal consensus.

The point being, it doesn't matter if 70% the server all agrees that Scout should have a level minimum: unless 95+% (or something like that) agree on it the agreement will never have a level minimum.

[Siberious]

Want to confirm, more specifically for Ring 8, the toon who rolls has to turn in to start event, and then same toon has to loot head? I assume this is the case, have a ring 7 on an alt I was curious if it's allowed to use it to do roll + turn in and loot Chief Head on my other toon.

[Arvan]

I believe there is also a player made agreement for An angry goblin,

https://wiki.project1999.com/An_angry_goblin

Thank you, Llandris!

[Twochain]

Thank you Llandris. Posts like these are really helpful. Even for big nerds like me, it can be hard to keep some of the rules straight.

QFT

[planarity]

Want to confirm, more specifically for Ring 8, the toon who rolls has to turn in to start event, and then same toon has to loot head? I assume this is the case, have a ring 7 on an alt I was curious if it's allowed to use it to do roll + turn in and loot Chief Head on my other toon.

The same toon must win the roll, turn in the marching orders, and loot the head. I was recently suspended for looting head on a different toon, which I thought was allowed, and so I asked Llandris to make this thread. Getting suspended for breaking a rule I wasn't aware of is a small price to pay for getting clear rules posted publicly. Thanks again, Llandris.

[Legidias]

Ignorance of a law does not excuse you

[Siberious]

The same toon must win the roll, turn in the marching orders, and loot the head. I was recently suspended for looting head on a different toon, which I thought was allowed, and so I asked Llandris to make this thread. Getting suspended for breaking a rule I wasn't aware of is a small price to pay for getting clear rules posted publicly. Thanks again, Llandris.

Thanks for clearing it up, thought this may be the case.

[maximum]

Wiki: Scout Charisa Player Agreement (http://wiki.project1999.com/Scout_Charisa/Player_Agreement)

Wiki: Shady Goblin Player Agreement (http://wiki.project1999.com/A_shady_goblin/Player_Agreement)

[pupi]

Is there a limit on time to hand in ring 8, there been some problem with hand in where it been stall to 1:30 hours back. Now ppl have to wait a long time to hand in. Should this be change as same of scout roll or have a 5 min to hand after since one has 30 min before hand to prep?

[Nirgon]

Rips up Green99 manastone agreement in advance

[Endonde]

So since people are now trying to bring level 35 alts to Scout rolls, I think it's in the servers best interest if we put a level requirement in place to participate in these rolls.

50+ seems like a reasonable level to obtain before being allowed to roll on these items.

[aaezil]

Please make scout 50+

Signed,
Most of the server

[Indicas]

exciting!

[vermabarkha507]

The best I can do in the mean time is rewrite guides that are inaccurate/have holes in them that I have found. Like the velious armor guides and Kael Drakkel's zone guide.:p:p
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[Endonde]

Is there a limit on time to hand in ring 8, there been some problem with hand in where it been stall to 1:30 hours back. Now ppl have to wait a long time to hand in. Should this be change as same of scout roll (https://www.itechfy.com) or have a 5 min to hand after since one has 30 min before hand to prep?

An unfortunate side effect of these player made agreements, is that once the GM's decide they are established rules, there is really no easy way to change them. All it takes is one person to disagree, and you eat a suspension for violating a player made agreement.

[BlackBellamy]

An unfortunate side effect of these player made agreements, is that once the GM's decide they are established rules, there is really no easy way to change them. All it takes is one person to disagree, and you eat a suspension for violating a player made agreement.

Yeah also no matter how many times they are posted here, 75% of the player base will be completely unaware of anything until some guy starts yelling at them that they are being petitioned for violating some player agreement they never agreed to. This is equivalent to clickwrapping.

[commongood]

I believe there is also a player made agreement for An angry goblin,

https://wiki.project1999.com/An_angry_goblin

Thank you, Llandris!

Yeah. There is a wiki entry on a player made agreement on Angry Goblin. Any chance to have that cemented in the orignial post?

https://wiki.project1999.com/An_angry_goblin/Player_Agreement

[Molitoth]

I mentioned the other day that doing a:

/random 1 - ## <- Character Level

could be a better way to go at Scout/Ring rolls.

Some people seemed to like the idea. (the level 60's)
And obviously the sub 60's are going to hate the idea.


This would give level 60 toons a slightly better chance at winning these contested rolls over the endless amount of shit alts and bots anywhere from level 45-55.


I don't expect this to actually go anywhere, but since I typed it up... whatever.

[loramin]

I mentioned the other day that doing a:

/random 1 - ## <- Character Level

could be a better way to go at Scout/Ring rolls.

Some people seemed to like the idea. (the level 60's)
And obviously the sub 60's are going to hate the idea.


This would give level 60 toons a slightly better chance at winning these contested rolls over the endless amount of shit alts and bots anywhere from level 45-55.


I don't expect this to actually go anywhere, but since I typed it up... whatever.

Just like establishing a player agreement, the way to make changes to one actually happen is to "prosthelytize". Convince everyone there that it's a good idea: get as many people as possible to say "I'll do it if everyone else will", then be as charming and persuasive as possible to get the rest on board. Even lone holdouts tend to give in or go away over time, if you can be patient and over time persuade the rest ... but it's not easy.

Just because it's not in their short term best interest doesn't mean lower level players aren't interested in a more fair system ... but you'll have to convince people of that.

[Scroink]

Sup my doods,

Need a final word on this one. As you all know hadden is a 6 hr timed mob in Q hills. Can you be legit afk for extended periods in between spawns (only coming back to kill) and still claim camp? I've heard both arguments from other players. I have occasionally seen lists going (like for Stormfeather) but not sure this is appropriate as one player pointed out to me, this is because of SF's variance and once SF is in window, it is expected that player should be present (and not AFK). For the sake of clarity I reckon it should be as follows:

1. If you're at the Hadden camp and another player looking for camp sends you a tell and you don't respond for 15 mins, you lost it.

2. if Hadden pops or is up and you're at the camp and you don't respond to another players tell within 5 mins (I.E. obviously AFK) you lost the camp.

3. If Hadden is up and you leave him be cos he has a pole instead of earring and you don't want the faction hit, you lost the camp.

4. The Camp belongs to a player over several successive spawns until they get their earring. Once that drops, that player has to give up the camp to whoever else is present.

What do you guys reckon?

Clungina Gruntbucket

[Vallaen]

If the person is AFK at hadden its fine but if hadden is up and has been for over 5 mins than you are allowed to kill it.

If a person wants to afk for the 6 hours and come back just to kill hadden they are allowed to do it. As long as they dont log out or leave the area they have the camp.

[Tilien]

1. If you're at the Hadden camp and another player looking for camp sends you a tell and you don't respond for 15 mins, you lost it.

2. if Hadden pops or is up and you're at the camp and you don't respond to another players tell within 5 mins (I.E. obviously AFK) you lost the camp.

3. If Hadden is up and you leave him be cos he has a pole instead of earring and you don't want the faction hit, you lost the camp.

4. The Camp belongs to a player over several successive spawns until they get their earring. Once that drops, that player has to give up the camp to whoever else is present.




Numbers 2-4 are technically covered by current camp rules. Failing to kill within a reasonable time (number 2 and 3) forfeits camp. Getting a lore item drop you're farming also passes camp according to camp rules (i.e. no corpsing while camp is contested).

Number 1 doesn't violate any rules, and doesn't impact anyone really.

[Crashking]

Ignorance of a law does not excuse you

Not sure how you expect someone to follow a policy or rule if there is no info / posting about it.. that just ignorant.

Want to confirm, more specifically for Ring 8, the toon who rolls has to turn in to start event, and then same toon has to loot head? I assume this is the case, have a ring 7 on an alt I was curious if it's allowed to use it to do roll + turn in and loot Chief Head on my other toon.

The same toon must win the roll, turn in the marching orders, and loot the head. I was recently suspended for looting head on a different toon, which I thought was allowed, and so I asked Llandris to make this thread. Getting suspended for breaking a rule I wasn't aware of is a small price to pay for getting clear rules posted publicly. Thanks again, Llandris.

Sadly I can fully declare too little / too late in terms of this public posting because I was subject to the same suspension back on 07-30-2018 and yet voiced my concern about how can you suspend someone over something they have no way of knowing back then. I can probably bet others faced same before me.

[Crashking]

From a more recent status around the game, it was brought out that having a waiting list for camp or such is just another type of player made agreement, which was to be enforced. This would lead one to believe that any such agreement no matter how odd it seems would be held up as enforceable so long as there was full agreement, but seems like that might not be the case. JUST A FYI EVERYONE! DON'T COUNT THEM CHICKENS until you have every last one in hand!

[vanathi]

There is already a thread for the sky rotation

its really amazing

[Sivaeb]

someone said at ring 8 roll today, "GMs clarified. No changing the time"
I see nothing about it here and nothing fresh comes up from a search.

I propose that once Gloradain WhatsHerName spawn time goes more than 45 minutes beyond the roll time be moved up to the next half hour (meaning rolls will always be at XX:00 or XX:30).

This way, people aren't having to sit around for, i believe it was 53 minutes tonight. The gap is just going to grow and people will eventually be rolling 2 hours before she spawns, which is silly.

[ivonkstronji91]

Holy crap, this is huge! I bet you could make your life so much easier if we had something like that.
I know what'd be cool though: maybe add a section where people can see all of the back channel raid leader agreements too-not trying anything sneaky here but just think it'll do wonders for server merge stress relief ;)