Enchanter AC test (1330ac vs 628ac )

[zarza]

Test #1 ( 1330AC , 250AGI ) - A glacier mastodon (45lv - 50lv) Max dmg :139

3mins tanking with 30% slow (Languid Pace) , (19:00:04 ~ 19:03:03)


[Wed Mar 27 19:00:04 2019] A glacier mastodon bashes YOU for 31 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:00:04 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 24 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:00:04 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 120 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:00:08 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 108 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:00:11 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 24 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:00:15 2019] A glacier mastodon tries to gore YOU, but misses!
[Wed Mar 27 19:00:15 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 132 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:00:16 2019] A glacier mastodon kicks YOU for 30 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:00:18 2019] A glacier mastodon tries to gore YOU, but misses!
[Wed Mar 27 19:00:18 2019] A glacier mastodon tries to gore YOU, but misses!
[Wed Mar 27 19:00:22 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 42 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:00:22 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 24 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:00:25 2019] A glacier mastodon tries to gore YOU, but misses!
[Wed Mar 27 19:00:27 2019] A glacier mastodon bashes YOU for 26 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:00:28 2019] A glacier mastodon tries to gore YOU, but misses!
[Wed Mar 27 19:00:28 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 24 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:00:32 2019] A glacier mastodon tries to gore YOU, but misses!
[Wed Mar 27 19:00:35 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 24 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:00:38 2019] A glacier mastodon tries to bash YOU, but misses!
[Wed Mar 27 19:00:39 2019] A glacier mastodon tries to gore YOU, but misses!
[Wed Mar 27 19:00:39 2019] A glacier mastodon tries to gore YOU, but misses!
[Wed Mar 27 19:00:42 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 42 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:00:42 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 72 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:00:46 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 24 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:00:46 2019] A glacier mastodon tries to gore YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Wed Mar 27 19:00:49 2019] A glacier mastodon bashes YOU for 31 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:00:49 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 30 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:00:52 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 24 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:00:52 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 60 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:00:56 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 24 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:00:59 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 24 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:00:59 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 72 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:01:00 2019] A glacier mastodon tries to bash YOU, but misses!
[Wed Mar 27 19:01:03 2019] A glacier mastodon tries to gore YOU, but misses!
[Wed Mar 27 19:01:03 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 90 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:01:06 2019] A glacier mastodon tries to gore YOU, but misses!
[Wed Mar 27 19:01:10 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 24 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:01:10 2019] A glacier mastodon tries to gore YOU, but misses!
[Wed Mar 27 19:01:11 2019] A glacier mastodon kicks YOU for 29 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:01:13 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 24 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:01:13 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 126 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:01:16 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 36 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:01:16 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 120 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:01:20 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 114 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:01:20 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 114 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:01:22 2019] A glacier mastodon bashes YOU for 24 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:01:23 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 90 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:01:23 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 126 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:01:30 2019] A glacier mastodon tries to gore YOU, but misses!
[Wed Mar 27 19:01:33 2019] A glacier mastodon tries to bash YOU, but misses!
[Wed Mar 27 19:01:34 2019] A glacier mastodon tries to gore YOU, but misses!
[Wed Mar 27 19:01:37 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 54 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:01:41 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 30 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:01:41 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 126 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:01:44 2019] A glacier mastodon tries to gore YOU, but misses!
[Wed Mar 27 19:01:44 2019] A glacier mastodon tries to kick YOU, but misses!
[Wed Mar 27 19:01:48 2019] A glacier mastodon tries to gore YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Wed Mar 27 19:01:48 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 84 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:01:51 2019] A glacier mastodon tries to gore YOU, but misses!
[Wed Mar 27 19:01:54 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 78 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:01:54 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 30 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:01:55 2019] A glacier mastodon bashes YOU for 24 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:01:58 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 132 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:01:58 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 24 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:02:01 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 54 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:02:05 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 60 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:02:05 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 126 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:02:06 2019] A glacier mastodon bashes YOU for 31 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:02:08 2019] A glacier mastodon tries to gore YOU, but misses!
[Wed Mar 27 19:02:08 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 30 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:02:12 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 54 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:02:12 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 30 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:02:15 2019] A glacier mastodon tries to gore YOU, but misses!
[Wed Mar 27 19:02:15 2019] A glacier mastodon tries to gore YOU, but misses!
[Wed Mar 27 19:02:18 2019] A glacier mastodon tries to bash YOU, but misses!
[Wed Mar 27 19:02:18 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 78 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:02:22 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 108 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:02:25 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 36 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:02:29 2019] A glacier mastodon tries to bash YOU, but misses!
[Wed Mar 27 19:02:29 2019] A glacier mastodon tries to gore YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Wed Mar 27 19:02:32 2019] A glacier mastodon tries to gore YOU, but misses!
[Wed Mar 27 19:02:32 2019] A glacier mastodon tries to gore YOU, but misses!
[Wed Mar 27 19:02:36 2019] A glacier mastodon tries to gore YOU, but misses!
[Wed Mar 27 19:02:36 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 132 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:02:39 2019] A glacier mastodon tries to gore YOU, but misses!
[Wed Mar 27 19:02:40 2019] A glacier mastodon bashes YOU for 27 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:02:42 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 24 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:02:46 2019] A glacier mastodon tries to gore YOU, but misses!
[Wed Mar 27 19:02:46 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 72 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:02:49 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 120 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:02:49 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 48 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:02:51 2019] A glacier mastodon kicks YOU for 28 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:02:53 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 48 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:02:53 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 66 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:02:56 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 102 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:03:00 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 102 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:03:02 2019] A glacier mastodon bashes YOU for 31 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:03:03 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 24 points of damage.



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test #2 ( 628AC , 130AGI ) - A glacier mastodon (45lv - 50lv) Max dmg :139 (same mob)

3min tanking with 30% slow (Languid Pace) , (19:08:03 ~ 19:11:02)


[Wed Mar 27 19:08:03 2019] A glacier mastodon bashes YOU for 34 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:08:03 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 139 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:08:06 2019] A glacier mastodon tries to gore YOU, but misses!
[Wed Mar 27 19:08:06 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 120 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:08:10 2019] A glacier mastodon tries to gore YOU, but misses!
[Wed Mar 27 19:08:10 2019] A glacier mastodon tries to gore YOU, but misses!
[Wed Mar 27 19:08:13 2019] A glacier mastodon tries to gore YOU, but misses!
[Wed Mar 27 19:08:13 2019] A glacier mastodon tries to gore YOU, but misses!
[Wed Mar 27 19:08:14 2019] A glacier mastodon tries to bash YOU, but misses!
[Wed Mar 27 19:08:16 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 139 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:08:20 2019] A glacier mastodon tries to gore YOU, but misses!
[Wed Mar 27 19:08:23 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 78 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:08:25 2019] A glacier mastodon kicks YOU for 28 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:08:27 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 108 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:08:27 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 139 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:08:30 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 139 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:08:30 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 126 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:08:34 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 78 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:08:36 2019] A glacier mastodon bashes YOU for 31 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:08:37 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 96 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:08:37 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 139 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:08:41 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 139 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:08:44 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 139 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:08:44 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 132 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:08:47 2019] A glacier mastodon tries to kick YOU, but misses!
[Wed Mar 27 19:08:47 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 139 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:08:51 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 108 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:08:54 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 90 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:08:54 2019] A glacier mastodon tries to gore YOU, but misses!
[Wed Mar 27 19:08:58 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 30 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:08:58 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 120 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:08:58 2019] A glacier mastodon tries to bash YOU, but misses!
[Wed Mar 27 19:09:01 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 108 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:09:01 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 54 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:09:05 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 66 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:09:08 2019] A glacier mastodon tries to gore YOU, but misses!
[Wed Mar 27 19:09:09 2019] A glacier mastodon kicks YOU for 24 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:09:12 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 139 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:09:12 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 120 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:09:15 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 139 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:09:18 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 114 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:09:18 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 24 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:09:20 2019] A glacier mastodon tries to bash YOU, but misses!
[Wed Mar 27 19:09:22 2019] A glacier mastodon tries to gore YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Wed Mar 27 19:09:25 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 96 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:09:29 2019] A glacier mastodon tries to gore YOU, but misses!
[Wed Mar 27 19:09:32 2019] A glacier mastodon kicks YOU for 25 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:09:32 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 139 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:09:32 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 66 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:09:36 2019] A glacier mastodon tries to gore YOU, but misses!
[Wed Mar 27 19:09:36 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 108 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:09:39 2019] A glacier mastodon tries to gore YOU, but misses!
[Wed Mar 27 19:09:42 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 36 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:09:42 2019] A glacier mastodon tries to gore YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Wed Mar 27 19:09:43 2019] A glacier mastodon bashes YOU for 31 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:09:46 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 72 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:09:49 2019] A glacier mastodon tries to gore YOU, but misses!
[Wed Mar 27 19:09:49 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 114 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:09:53 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 102 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:09:53 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 120 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:09:54 2019] A glacier mastodon kicks YOU for 32 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:09:56 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 66 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:10:00 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 42 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:10:00 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 102 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:10:03 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 96 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:10:05 2019] A glacier mastodon bashes YOU for 25 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:10:07 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 96 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:10:07 2019] A glacier mastodon tries to gore YOU, but misses!
[Wed Mar 27 19:10:10 2019] A glacier mastodon tries to gore YOU, but misses!
[Wed Mar 27 19:10:10 2019] A glacier mastodon tries to gore YOU, but misses!
[Wed Mar 27 19:10:13 2019] A glacier mastodon tries to gore YOU, but misses!
[Wed Mar 27 19:10:16 2019] A glacier mastodon bashes YOU for 32 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:10:17 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 54 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:10:17 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 139 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:10:20 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 108 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:10:24 2019] A glacier mastodon tries to gore YOU, but misses!
[Wed Mar 27 19:10:27 2019] A glacier mastodon kicks YOU for 34 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:10:27 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 139 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:10:27 2019] A glacier mastodon tries to gore YOU, but misses!
[Wed Mar 27 19:10:29 2019] A glacier mastodon's feet adhere to the ground.
[Wed Mar 27 19:10:31 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 42 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:10:31 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 132 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:10:34 2019] A glacier mastodon tries to gore YOU, but misses!
[Wed Mar 27 19:10:37 2019] A glacier mastodon tries to gore YOU, but misses!
[Wed Mar 27 19:10:38 2019] A glacier mastodon bashes YOU for 29 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:10:41 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 132 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:10:44 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 139 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:10:44 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 139 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:10:48 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 66 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:10:49 2019] A glacier mastodon bashes YOU for 34 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:10:51 2019] A glacier mastodon tries to gore YOU, but misses!
[Wed Mar 27 19:10:55 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 139 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:10:55 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 139 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:10:58 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 126 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:10:58 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 139 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 27 19:11:00 2019] A glacier mastodon tries to kick YOU, but misses!
[Wed Mar 27 19:11:02 2019] A glacier mastodon gores YOU for 42 points of damage.

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i just used my log files for damage test. im lazy !! :D



1330ac + 250agi = 29misses

628ac + 130agi = 26misses

Looks like avoiding is not big different with 1330ac/250agi and 628ac/130agi

But i got Minimal damage more than 628ac 139agi while tanking.

AC still useful for enc's tanking even enc has 75doge skill, 145 defense skill, 0 riposte skill , 0 parry skill

avoiding seems sux with these skill. it would be little better if i had defensive AA , but here is class EQ

Enc AC is useful at group contents

that mean is under 55lv mobs i guess.

I got fully damaged from red con mobs and instant deaded . thats why i instant deaded when i tanking vindi :eek:

But my enc can easy tanking these puppets in pom with cleric heals.

I can tanking even pet breaked and pet is attacking me while i tanking on puppets.

These puppets are 55lv tho.


Id like to say IF you are highend geared,

Enc is

HP -> AC -> Mana

enc can make 4k mana over even you focused to equip these HP gears only.

4k mana is enough for enc with ToT/FT/Buff tho.

All in hp/ac and switching your Cha gears depends on your target or keep max cha. whatever you want :)

This is just simple test

seems AC is works and helpful bit for enc what i hoped.

I hope this post with my garbage english will helps for any encs :D












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Zarza (https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Blue:Zarza) <Aftermath>

[Baylan295]

Some math with my fat fingered data entry.

High AC:
Total Damage: 3942
Total Swings: 98
Average Damage Per Swing: 40.22
Median Damage Per Swing: 26.5

Low AC:
Total Damage: 6251
Total Swings: 95
Average Damage Per Swing: 65.8
Median Damage Per Swing: 66

[commongood]

Thanks so much Zarza for taking the time to do this.

Very interesting

[Jauna]

BUT THE STARTING STAT ON CHARACTER CREATION IS INT AND CHARISAMAMA THIS CANT BE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAL REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

but seriously, thanks. every time I see another enchanter pop like a grape and see they went all cha and zero hp/sta/ac I have this weird sense of satisfaction and pity for them

[kjs86z]

Extra satisfied with my Koi bracer acquisition after reading this thread.

[Solist]

Do another test at 900AC Zarza please.

[zarza]

Do another test at 900AC Zarza please.

yea i can test again if i got healer helper =p

[zarza]

Some math with my fat fingered data entry.

High AC:
Total Damage: 3942
Total Swings: 98
Average Damage Per Swing: 40.22
Median Damage Per Swing: 26.5

Low AC:
Total Damage: 6251
Total Swings: 95
Average Damage Per Swing: 65.8
Median Damage Per Swing: 66




Thank you baylan! this data is very helpful tho =)

[jolanar]

For what it's worth, displayed AC is kind of a useless stat. It may also be interesting to count the AC that comes from your armor, while separating how much AC is coming from your shield, and compare those values as well.

[kjs86z]

For what it's worth, displayed AC is kind of a useless stat.

Why?

[derblott]

Some math with my fat fingered data entry.

High AC:
Total Damage: 3942
Total Swings: 98
Average Damage Per Swing: 40.22
Median Damage Per Swing: 26.5

Low AC:
Total Damage: 6251
Total Swings: 95
Average Damage Per Swing: 65.8
Median Damage Per Swing: 66

This seems like the punchline here - thanks for doing the math! Looks like AC has a pretty big impact, AGI maybe not so much (not even sure if 3 misses is statistically significant..)

[Troxx]

AC has always had a pretty big impact; one that isn’t always as immediately noticeable unless you know what to watch for. While 600s to 1300s is a ludicrously huge jump it still demonstrates ongoing value for a class that has the lowest tier of post soft-cap diminishing returns.

For any melee class, priest, or tank the returns on ac at such a jump would be much more dramatic.

[Pyrion]

It would be nice to have a test that separates AGI effect and AC effect if that's at all possible. I think AGI is still a bit of a mystery stat where there is a lot of speculation and "knowledge" but not much data.

[derblott]

AC has always had a pretty big impact; one that isn’t always as immediately noticeable unless you know what to watch for. While 600s to 1300s is a ludicrously huge jump it still demonstrates ongoing value for a class that has the lowest tier of post soft-cap diminishing returns.

For any melee class, priest, or tank the returns on ac at such a jump would be much more dramatic.

Interesting, is the soft cap for AC on caster classes known?

I guess either way (at least at my level) it doesn't affect gearing decisions THAT much since I'm still prioritizing HP and CHA anyway, but still good to know. Makes Orb of the Infinite Void and other nice items available outside of raids that much more appealing.

Zarza implies that having some minimum mana pool is important also, in what scenario? I don't gear for int AT ALL and have never had an issue with mana.

[enjchanter]

Basically enchanters (even without FTx) have plenty of means to increase their mana flow and you wont ever really run out unless crazy stuff happens or you're the only enchanter at the raid. 4k is just a good goal post for mana. I sit at 4015 mana w/ GoB which I find pretty healthy and more than enough most of the time.

The ac results are nice but like Troxx said , 600 to 1300 is a pretty insane jump. For perspective, your average enchanter probably has ~500 ac (rough guess). Iirc I believe I have something like 800ac on my relatively decent geared enchanter.

My personal opinion is to take a balanced approach and require as little gear swaps as possible (ideally none tbh) but enchanters pretty much funnel into a particular set regardless of how you're building your enchanter. The only pieces of disparity I really see is shoulder slots (perception vs viik vs windwalker) , legs (silver chains vs iki vs SS silk) , neck (aary vs valtron)and belt (tunare vs Dain head) and everything else has a pretty clear BiS item. (Imho)

The HP / AC enchanter build is viable and great! I would love to have the dkp to try it out :)
But theres a very good case to be made for a balanced approach (which really isnt all that different tbh)

But just in case you ever feel like your gear sucks , I solo'd this chardok named while i was waiting for a rez in PoG the other day :)


http://imgur.com/ajR0yRN

[feniin]

Pretty dangerous one to solo naked, too, since he does nuke pretty hard. Smoked my shaman a few times because he's got terrible resists.

[Darkatar]

Thanks, Zarza, for putting some numbers to these AC values everyone argues about.

[Solist]

AC has always had a pretty big impact; one that isn’t always as immediately noticeable unless you know what to watch for. While 600s to 1300s is a ludicrously huge jump it still demonstrates ongoing value for a class that has the lowest tier of post soft-cap diminishing returns.

For any melee class, priest, or tank the returns on ac at such a jump would be much more dramatic.

No it didn't.

A few years AC did almost nothing, comically nothing. Going from near naked to full cobalt etc in kunark was imperceptible parsing difference. Since it was 'fixed' it's overpowered as hell.

AC now is beyond good, its god stat.

[aaezil]

Interesting test but thats such a small sample size that its essentially meaningless

[Baylan295]

Interesting test but thats such a small sample size that its essentially meaningless

The difference in the numbers is so stark there can’t be any argument that there is a difference and it’s significant with those AC numbers. The better question in terms of itemization is when it makes sense to go for more AC or HP.

I’m personally still on the HP bandwagon because I believe enchanters generally get killed in edge scenarios. Mitigation helps long term, but I can go hours without getting hit. My problem is that when I’m getting hit, I usually messed up badly. In those situations, if I’m taking multiple max hits, it’s good game if I don’t have enough HP.

I’d also suggest that almost no one has access to Zarza’s itemization - Eberron is probably in the top 5 of active enchanters regarding the quality of their gear - and he’s a FAR cry from this AC because to get to that level of AC requires serious DKP and DKP dedication for items that normally end up on a melee.

[zarza]

i was wondered before i test this,

if i have 1300ac, and 600ac, does these two acs still getting same dmg from mob? or is make it difference?

i didn't test like 600ac vs 800ac because these two acs are not big difference ac value and it might be hard to make sure dmg is differece

that's why i tested big jump for make sure. it was easy to see there dmg is difference.

BUT i still wondering about AGI works on reduce dmg.. -_-

i assume AGI is helped to tanking while i dmg test ( it was 250agi vs 130agi )

Brad McQuaid: "AGI: affects how quickly you can learn some defensive skills, how difficult it is to hit you as well as how much damage you take when you are hit

If the 250 agi is the main reason why i got reduce dmg compare 130 agi . i would be confusing.

i mean agi is main helped me for dmg reduce or ac is main helped me for dmg reduce

i need AGI test if there agi is makes better reduce dmg than AC for pure caster.

hope my assuming about agi is just wrong and troll. i love AC. not AGI




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Zarza (https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Blue:Zarza) <Aftermath>

[commongood]

What I want to know is:

Should I be bothering with casting Umbra on myself all the time or what? ;) Is 29ac significant?

[zarza]

What I want to know is:

Should I be bothering with casting Umbra on myself all the time or what? ;) Is 29ac significant?




yea i use umbra unless someone give me aego or aegis or bulwark

[A1551]

Incredibly interesting. Thanks for taking the time to put some real numbers to something everyone constantly argues about based on very little actual evidence!

Also holy crap enchanter with 1330 ac!

[Tecmos Deception]

What I want to know is:

Should I be bothering with casting Umbra on myself all the time or what? ;) Is 29ac significant?

Why wouldn't you? It lasts like 2 hours or whatever and costs nearly no mana.

[Foxplay]

Raid gear with lots of AC and hp makes you tankier

In other news water is wet

JK good job on running some tests for actual numbers

[jolanar]

Why?

Basically displayed AC is a combination of mitigation and avoidance. Your "real AC" can be calculated by counting the AC on your armor.

EQ Live finally changed how this was displayed in 2017 to split out avoidance and mitigation into two separate stats on your character sheet.

Then again, who knows how it works here really.


Also worth noting: different classes receive different benefits from AC. With cloth casters receiving the lowest benefit. On live it went something like this: Warrior got 50%, Knights and Monks got 33%, Priests, Bards, Rangers and Rogues got like 20%, and clothies got 10%. (Numbers from memory so probably not perfect.) BUT everyone gets the full value of their shield AC.

But again, who knows how it works here.

[Xaeophi]

Lol.. i pity the people who think ac is useless :)

[Rimitto]

So the results are that more agility/AC means you have a higher chance of receiving minimum damage..:confused:

so theoretically... agility is the new meta? :confused:
This makes sense now why my character always seems to drop to unconscious so much instead of straight up dead. (I did the dumb and picked some agi on char creation)

[Legidias]

AC has always been the stat for mitigating damage hits (lower chance of hits landing at max)

The question was how much this benefitted casters in terms of raw HP vs AC.

(Agi above 75 is useless)

[bigjeff100]

Hahaha uh oh.. here comes the agility debate.....

[zarza]

hehe agi is other matter on me.. i will test it next time if it is useful or not

im lazy person =p


<3 hp/ac