Classic/Vanilla WOW

[Oleris]

Looking forward to playing it over the summer. Are you guys going

1) horde or alliance?

2) pvp or pve server?

3) what class?

I remember playing the beta for wow back in the day. There had to be 1,000+ players in the starting zone. It prob took a full day just to complete the first 4 levels due to the lack of quest mobs.

Do you think they will instance any of the starting areas at the launch of the game?

Will everyone min/max and not go any gimp specs?

Were shamans any good? I went alliance and only saw them in pvp

Will they decrease the respec or mount prices?

So many questions about the servers with it coming out soon. Will they go the DBG route and add some QOL to the servers and have a cash shop?

I will probably go frost mage and have my girlfriend try out a shaman or priest for a combo. I have zero idea if shaman and frost mages are a decent duo. I know priest/mage is solid due to the PBAOE priests get.

[Foxplay]

Wont be playing... I played on Elysium long enough to level up a mage and warrior and quickly found out that Prior game knowledge ruin's WoW worse than EQ.

Instance spamming with Frost mage is too easy to quickly attack the game economy.

Leveling up people spam attacking the air or instant cast hitting mobs as they spawn in Quest areas

WoW raids wont hold up unless they are buffed for the classic release, MC > Onyxia > BWL > Ahn Quiraj will be annhilated by most guilds unlike back in the day due to how different they are with game knowledge. The only Raid that will be even a speedbump for most guilds that know what they are doing will be Vanilla Naxx

[Mead]

Horde

PvP

Undead Warrior or Tauren Druid (depends on what my brother is going to roll). Wow was always a game some of my close friends and brother could play together. Very few of my friends played eq. So it will be cool to be assemble the crew again.

I'm a min/maxer.

Enh shaman with hand of rag was silly. If they keep the vanilla totem system, resto is the only end game spec I would roll. Enc and ele were meh. If they for some reason use the new totem system, I have no idea.

Hopefully not. That was part of the fun. Then again, it is blizzard.

I hope they don't have cash shops.

Mage/priest is always an op combo. The only thing you guys are missing is a rogue.

[Mead]

instant cast hitting mobs as they spawn in Quest areas

Foxpox [60 Shaman] (Ogre)
Foxcharm [60 Enchanter] (High Elf)
Foxystyle [60 Druid] (Wood Elf)
Foxfansy [60 Bard] (Human)
Foxpet [60 Magician] (Gnome)
Foxaid [60 Cleric] (Dark Elf)
Foxlich [60 Necromancer] (Iksar)
Foxplosion [56 Wizard] (Erudite)

https://i.imgur.com/GuWxnki.gif

[Jauna]

Wont be playing. after x years on Light's Hope playing both sides and many classes I just cannot justify doing it again and paying for it. its like when EQLive releases a new progression sever.. its just.. why? we have it now

[DMN]

If I do go back to mess around, probably an orc warlock on a PvP server. No idea about the other things. it wouldn't surpise me if they lower respec costs at least a little.

[Lune]

Night Elf Hunter or Undead Priest, haven't decided yet

That devouring plague though.

From what I've read they appear to be trying to keep it classic as much as possible. However, I feel like they are probably going to have to instance or shard the low level zones upon launch. Even on Nost and Elysium it was a nightmare, and I'm sure those numbers won't compare.

[Cecily]

I made it to level 20 twice in WoW, once in open beta and once in retail. Night elf and a troll. Pretty sure I saw all the game had to offer. Quest based leveling is AIDS.

[America]

i'll probably give it a go tbh. i'll 90% play a lowkey hot female troll dr00d if the meta is good, or else priest. (call me heretical but i hope leveling is fast tbh lol; probably will be. bet trash mobs will be easier than they were [live wow you can tank like 6 mobs to death under lvl 30 right now]).

lemme roll w/ u Lune or whoever!


are player models still classic or has there been a luclin yet?

[JurisDictum]

The strongest classes PvP If I remember right were:

Shaman
(Shadow)Priest
Warrior
Rogue (Mostly due to being awesome at ganking)

Probably in that order

Druids were mostly good at healing others in small group PvP. Mage and Hunter could both be good but they didn't stand out compared to those others listed.

Warlock really sucked...The best you could do is turret Shadow Bolts -- but you are a total target...or go spirit link spec and not do a lot of damage but have lots of survive.

Maybe its going to be 100% classic though.

I wouldn't play because I was a badass shaman on my classic server when it was live. I was like 18 and played from launch. Anything after that is going to be a total disappointment. I get much more nostalgia out of Warcraft 3 anyway.

[DMN]

The strongest classes PvP If I remember right were:

Shaman
(Shadow)Priest
Warrior
Rogue (Mostly due to being awesome at ganking)

.

No. You can't just make a list like that. There is 1 on 1 pvp, the most frequent PvP on a pvp server in fact. Then there is small skirmishes of 3-6 versus 3-6. Then there is mass pvp in battlegrounds. Then there is the fact that the classes change a lot in certain level ranges. Warriors are pretty much a joke in most of these scenarios and before they get uber gear, which will only be a tiny fraction for a long time on a classic server.

[JurisDictum]

No. You can't just make a list like that. There is 1 on 1 pvp, the most frequent PvP on a pvp server in fact. Then there is small skirmishes of 3-6 versus 3-6. Then there is mass pvp in battlegrounds. Then there is the fact that the classes change a lot in certain level regions.

Yea you can do the whole "their all good" argument if you want.

My list was about 1v1 and I assure you it was accurate. In general Shadowpriest just about anything except an equally well-played shaman. Shaman beat everything. Warriors were fairly well rounded with some decent gear (its not hard to get good gear in WoW).

For small groups, there all good....except warlock. They did suck. They probably will have an updated version of skillcoil though at very least -- rather than that non-fear 15 minute cooldown lifetap that wasn't all that great in live classic.

I guess a Spiritlink Warlock might be good at holding a point is AB or something.

[FatherSioux]

Quite a bit of terrible info being tossed about here. Don’t come to p99 forums for WoW insight.

[Evia]

I plan on trying it out. I'm going Alliance - PVP. Not sure what class I'll play yet.

[Oleris]

I just remember my mage killing pretty much everyone except rogues in vanilla. freeze + blink was solid. I am guessing alot of information about vanilla/wow is coming from the freeshards which aren't 100% classic.

I think I will play on a PVE Server or choose a PVP server that favors my faction. It was a pain in the ass on my pvp server where it was a 30/70 split against alliance.

[Bardp1999]

FOR THE HORDE!!! PVP

I have been playing my Shaman to various degrees of intensity since WoW release. In classic WoW shamans cant really do any sort of meaningful DPS and are pigeon holed into healing. I don't know just how "classic" this server is going insofar as how the classes are balanced or what patch it ends on, but I will probably play Shaman again...or maybe a Warlock since I really think Warlocks are cool.

[JurisDictum]

Generally Shamans did resto spec for PvE and a ele/resto or resto/enhance for PvP...it didn't make as big of a difference then as it did later. Enhancement was a little better against Warrior and Rogue, which could be some of your weaker 1v1s, where as ele was better vs casters and actually securing kills in group... Most were went dagger/shield enhancement at the top (enhancement wasn't the double axe spec stuff then).

Hand of Edward the Odd would have been by far the best weapon for them but no one ever had one. There was also that dagger off the open world dragon that no one seemed to have (like one person on my server).

This is all like initial launch/MC era into BWL...then I quit for the most part and didn't play much until WotLK. At that point there wasnt't that notable of difference between players with top end blue gear and players with top end purple gear. Its extremely easy to get top end blue gear and not that hard to get some purple stuff.

[DMN]

Shaman were never good in early classic Pvp WoW. BGs didn't even exist and enchant spec was simply a YOLO 1v1 build that prayed for RNG to bless them. They dump all their mana on one kill and then are sitting ducks.

Warlocks didn't have deathcoil back then but their fears always lasted the max duration, which made them ridiculously good if only they could get fears off. They nerfed fear and gave them death coil eventually.

[JurisDictum]

Shaman were never good in early classic Pvp WoW. BGs didn't even exist and enchant spec was simply a YOLO 1v1 build that prayed for RNG to bless them. They dump all their mana on one kill and then are siting ducks.

Warlocks didn't have deathcoil back then but their fears always lasted the max duration, which made them ridiculously good if only they could get fears off. They nerfed fear and gave them death coil eventually.

Grounding/Tremor totem the Undead race in general, fearless on warrior. Fear was not that good.

Look, what kind of hacksaw job they have done on these private servers. IDK what the official one will look like. But if you didn't think Shamans were good at WoW PvP in the first months/Year of the game or so -- you obviously weren't among some of the top players then.

[America]

Yeah there was a major imbalance with shamen and a huge nerf that caused a ton of people to quit the class after awhile. Feels like 9 months in was the nerf. Remember it clearly. I believe it was enhancement spec, which is RNG-based sure, but so's everything to WoW in some extent. If the RNG is too in your favor it's imba. That's math kid

[JurisDictum]

Windfury was overpowered I think was the gist of it.

But if you were just good at the game, frostshock kiting and earthshocking crucial spells went a long way. Grounding totem the right spells was also big (you could ground totem blind vs rogues I remember). You would walk up and melee them and be conservative with your mana against most classes (you didn't have to be as careful with mana vs Rogue and Warrior, but had to be more careful with melee). Bad shamans I remember did a lot of spam shocking and running OOM.

Heals were mana efficient and would have NS + greater heal for emergencies.

Shadowpriest with +shadow damage gear just melted things if you knew what you were doing. It was very mana intensive though and not nearly as good group pvp...but still just that kind of power was useful in groups.

A lot of this still applied when WSG opened up during the BWL era...

Things started changing and getting lamer by Nax era because raid gear started to get really good and I remember warlocks specifically were all the sudden considered OP (unresistible fear from death coil I think was part but not of that)...but I don't remember much detail then because I really wasn't active.

[misterbonkers]

Looking forward to playing it over the summer. Are you guys going

1) horde or alliance?

2) pvp or pve server?

3) what class?

I remember playing the beta for wow back in the day. There had to be 1,000+ players in the starting zone. It prob took a full day just to complete the first 4 levels due to the lack of quest mobs.

Do you think they will instance any of the starting areas at the launch of the game?

Will everyone min/max and not go any gimp specs?

Were shamans any good? I went alliance and only saw them in pvp

Will they decrease the respec or mount prices?

So many questions about the servers with it coming out soon. Will they go the DBG route and add some QOL to the servers and have a cash shop?

I will probably go frost mage and have my girlfriend try out a shaman or priest for a combo. I have zero idea if shaman and frost mages are a decent duo. I know priest/mage is solid due to the PBAOE priests get.

lok'tar ogar

pvp

undead rogue

this is assuming i even bother playing. vanilla doesn't mean much to me. but the thought of them re-releasing tbc at some point and going back to rng mace stun arena meta of season 1 and 2 has me foaming at the mouth. back when you could spec prep and adrenaline rush and prep refreshed the cooldown of adrenaline rush. those were good times.

[Irulan]

Official server or wat? I want blizzard to get more money from me.

[Irulan]

Funniest thing too is my time playing a dreanai has been burning a hole in the back of my head for the last two months and I haven't bothered even looking into it but was considering asking for a subscription.

[Nexii]

Classic WoW is kind of like classic EQ. Fun but not as good as during its first 1-2 expansions. Got to 60 twice on legacy servers (paladin, then shaman) and ended up bored

Depends a lot how the servers are set up whether I give it a third go. Probably would play priest - some kind of healer again for sure, though levelling sucks

[America]

Funniest thing too is my time playing a dreanai has been burning a hole in the back of my head for the last two months and I haven't bothered even looking into it but was considering asking for a subscription.

i tried it in like 2015 and it was hilariously bad, unplayable. go to dungeon from dungeon finder etc like Guild Wars :o

[Irulan]

Classic WoW is kind of like classic EQ. Fun but not as good as during its first 1-2 expansions. Got to 60 twice on legacy servers (paladin, then shaman) and ended up bored

Depends a lot how the servers are set up whether I give it a third go. Probably would play priest - some kind of healer again for sure, though levelling sucks

I want to try a vanilla holy priest and druid bad. Legacy servers still a thing? Like upto wotlk?

BC was guuuud. But it made vanilla obsolete.

[Irulan]

i tried it in like 2015 and it was hilariously bad, unplayable. go to dungeon from dungeon finder etc like Guild Wars :o

You're just not gay enough lady.

[Irulan]

i tried it in like 2015 and it was hilariously bad, unplayable. go to dungeon from dungeon finder etc like Guild Wars :o

Classic dungeon experience pre finder with friends was actually hard and some epic crawls.

[America]

Classic dungeon experience pre finder with friends was actually hard and some epic crawls.

oh God yeah. Wailing Caverns was fukn intimidating the first few times. Gnomeregan was like crawling Vex Thal at lvl 30. those dungeons r so huge.

i got to gnomeregan when i played in 2015 and they just have you do like one short hallway and then fight the big boss. like you don't visit the rest of the zone anymore. at all. That's when I quit.

[Oleris]

Official server or wat? I want blizzard to get more money from me.

I will be playing the official servers. I played on Nost and a couple other freeshards through the years. Lights hope currently has 15,000+ during peak hours, but they are shutting down when the official servers come out.

I'm hoping they offer the option of progressing to BC and WOTLK. I stopped playing BC and never got to experience the "peak" of WOW with WOTLK.

[Irulan]

I will be playing the official servers. I played on Nost and a couple other freeshards through the years. Lights hope currently has 15,000+ during peak hours, but they are shutting down when the official servers come out.

I'm hoping they offer the option of progressing to BC and WOTLK. I stopped playing BC and never got to experience the "peak" of WOW with WOTLK.
I am excited about this. Cool!

This is basically on my bucket list b4 I go.

[bigjeff100]

Absolutely! Count me in!! I'll start back up what made years ago! I remember making it to Cataclysm. Then due to me not having a smart phone, i never could get those security codes. So my account was hacked numerous times.. Finally gave up everything blizzard related.

But i'd reroll the same character!

Athemis
Alliance
Druid- Restoration
PVP

[Irulan]

Mom can you buy me a wow subscription ?

CHOMPS HORMONE PILLS

Better to chomp hormones in a dress @ a healthy BMI than some gross ass generic male undies with man boobs. While clicking hot keys. Better than laying in bed in a puddle of your own shit and opiod puke infused neckbeard.

[Irulan]

wut

https://i.imgur.com/8yX0MUr.jpg

Am I old enough?



Show feets. Are u sexy?

[icedwards]

The strongest classes PvP If I remember right were:

Shaman
(Shadow)Priest
Warrior
Rogue (Mostly due to being awesome at ganking)

Probably in that order

Druids were mostly good at healing others in small group PvP. Mage and Hunter could both be good but they didn't stand out compared to those others listed.

Warlock really sucked...The best you could do is turret Shadow Bolts -- but you are a total target...or go spirit link spec and not do a lot of damage but have lots of survive.

Maybe its going to be 100% classic though.

I wouldn't play because I was a badass shaman on my classic server when it was live. I was like 18 and played from launch. Anything after that is going to be a total disappointment. I get much more nostalgia out of Warcraft 3 anyway.

Yea you can do the whole "their all good" argument if you want.

My list was about 1v1 and I assure you it was accurate. In general Shadowpriest just about anything except an equally well-played shaman. Shaman beat everything. Warriors were fairly well rounded with some decent gear (its not hard to get good gear in WoW).

For small groups, there all good....except warlock. They did suck. They probably will have an updated version of skillcoil though at very least -- rather than that non-fear 15 minute cooldown lifetap that wasn't all that great in live classic.

I guess a Spiritlink Warlock might be good at holding a point is AB or something.

This may be the most confident, yet totally incorrect post I've witnessed on these boards. That's saying something given the usual drivel found 'round here.

[JurisDictum]

This may be the most confident, yet totally incorrect post I've witnessed on these boards. That's saying something given the usual drivel found 'round here.

Its become apparent to me that those servers you are all looking forward to are nothing like the actual classic WoW. So I'll yield to the professors of private servers.

Just so you know though...not actually classic.

It's exactly the reason I won't touch these servers.

Probably the same with EQ but I wasn't around when EQ launched and didn't know better when playing p99. So I got to enjoy p99.

[eadric]

classic wow pvp was hella fun, but there's just not enough time these days to take the particular trip down memory lane.

[Irulan]

its not worth the time / effort anyways exactly like p99 blue

game was amazing back then, not in 2019

its for stay at home sons and perma unemployed who have nothing else to do other then "Do it again" like all the everquest progression servers, eq2 progression servers and all the throwaway emus that come out for all these cool old games

Then stop bitching here like a little cunt and go pay some taxes fag.

[Oleris]

How do shamans scale with healing with gear? I heard paladins become the best healer with high end gear, but are terrible until then.

[Bisonzabi]

Real classic eq was amazing, p99 is nothing remotely close

LOTS of unfair gameplay and unforgiving disconnects / LD / playing on dial up

even the textures and monsters looked cooler back then

Not to mention playing on a 15inch crt screen with a voodoo 2 card so your draw distance can barely see shit with a cramped UI on top of Windows 98 SE. You ever tried pounding a nail through your dick to emulate those times?

[clevergirl]

Not to mention playing on a 15inch crt screen with a voodoo 2 card so your draw distance can barely see shit with a cramped UI on top of Windows 98 SE. You ever tried pounding a nail through your dick to emulate those times?

Done it already.

[Zuranthium]

oh God yeah. Wailing Caverns was fukn intimidating the first few times. Gnomeregan was like crawling Vex Thal at lvl 30. those dungeons r so huge.

Gnomeregan is nothing compared to Everquest dungeons. It's quite linear and open, nowhere near the complexity/danger of how twisty, shrouded, and chain aggro-y most EQ dungeons are, not to mention possible trains from other groups, since dungeons aren't freaking instances in EQ. It's not really that big either.

[America]

Gnomeregan is nothing compared to Everquest dungeons. It's quite linear and open, nowhere near the complexity/danger of how twisty, shrouded, and chain aggro-y most EQ dungeons are, not to mention possible trains from other groups, since dungeons aren't freaking instances in EQ. It's not really that big either.

yeah but you don't rly have a reason to crawl most EQ dungeons per se. so it's effectivly bigger

[FatherSioux]

yeah but you don't rly have a reason to crawl most EQ dungeons per se. so it's effectivly bigger

The events and drama that unfold during an EQ Dungeon group are organic and unplanned. In WoW everything is on rails and there is very little variation. Once you reach a certain level of skill in WoW all these dungeons turn into the same experience, just faster. Certainly that same argument can be made for say a Crypt group in Seb, but there is still more variation in that experience compared to a Gnomergen or whatever.

I'll probably play WoW Classic because it's better than anything new coming out but the experiences and entertainment styles are just different. WoW Classic will be fun but for different reasons than why EQ is/was fun.

[America]

The events and drama that unfold during an EQ Dungeon group are organic and unplanned. In WoW everything is on rails and there is very little variation. Once you reach a certain level of skill in WoW all these dungeons turn into the same experience, just faster. Certainly that same argument can be made for say a Crypt group in Seb, but there is still more variation in that experience compared to a Gnomergen or whatever.

I'll probably play WoW Classic because it's better than anything new coming out but the experiences and entertainment styles are just different. WoW Classic will be fun but for different reasons than why EQ is/was fun.

This is tru.

[Oleris]

pvp content plan. Good luck trying to level 45-60 on a PVP server until the BG's are out lol.

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/classic-pvp-content-plan/146049

Since we broke down the six phases of content that we’ll be rolling out for Classic, we’ve heard the increase in requests for PvP details so we wanted to get you up to speed on our plans there.

As was the case when World of Warcraft originally launched in 2004, there won’t be a formal PvP system in WoW Classic at the outset. You’ll still be able to PvP, of course, and there will be no Dishonorable Kills, so you’ll be free to repeatedly hunt down every player and NPC in, say, Stranglethorn Vale to your stealthy heart’s content.

That’ll change once phase 2 rolls around and we add the Honor System, which will introduce Honorable Kills, Dishonorable Kills, and PvP Rank Rewards. The items you earn from the PvP Rank Rewards will be the versions from patch 1.12. Keep in mind though, just as it did originally, it will require a substantial time investment to rank up through the Honor System. For those interested in the Rank Rewards, earning epic gear will require consistent dedication over a long period of time as a top contributor on your realm. We don’t expect to see many people running around with these items early on, but we’re certain Hillsbrad Foothills will still see its fair share of action!

In the third phase, we’ll introduce the first Battlegrounds: Alterac Valley (version 1.12 2.6k) and Warsong Gulch, alongside with their associated vendors. One thing to note is that there were a couple of updates to these vendors over the course of the original patch releases, so some items won’t be available right away. For example, the Spell Penetration trinkets available from the Warsong Gulch vendor weren’t introduced until Patch 1.9, so we’re currently thinking that we’ll add these in phase 5.

The Arathi Basin Battleground will follow in phase 4, along with its specific vendor. It’ll be interesting to see how many people stay behind to guard the flag. :wink:

Finally, in phase 6, we’ll have the world PvP objectives in Silithus and Eastern Plaguelands, which will come out at the same time as Naxxramas.

Here’s what the PvP content looks like mapped to the phases we recently posted about:

Phase 1 (WoW Classic Launch)

You can PvP one another in the world, but there is no tracking, and no formal rewards for doing so.

Phase 2

Honor System (including Dishonorable Kills)
PvP Rank Rewards

Phase 3

Alterac Valley (version 1.12 2.6k)
Warsong Gulch

Phase 4

Arathi Basin

Phase 6

World PvP objectives in Silithus and Eastern Plaguelands

As we mentioned before, we haven’t yet determined exactly when each of the content phases will occur but we’ll keep you updated as they draw closer.

We’re here reading what you have to say, so we wanted to thank all of you for your feedback and discussions about Classic. Keep it going!

[FatherSioux]

WPvP never did much for me in WoW. It seemed to just be about getting the jump and taking advantage of situations rather than any type of skill. PvE Realm for me with my PvP being done in BGs.

[DMN]

"World PVP" in wow was nothing but bind rushing idiots

there are no corpses so when you reach your corpse you are fully geared with no rez effects and immediately start fighting again

You still had to walk all the way back to your corpse. And often they'd be waiting there to gank you again. Harassing people like this was the only real functional point to PvP. You pushed people out the area so they couldn't quest/get exp there.

[Daloon]

I was a Rank14 Combat rogue in classic and couldnt be less excited for this. I really don't get the hype over an official vanilla server after having played Nostalrious and all the other breakaway servers. Content is trivialized like none other, inside of an instanced zone mind you. Boss mobs were dying in as quick as ~19 seconds or some stupid low number. Tier2 will be a joke, Naxx 3.0 will be a joke id imagine too.


The PVP ranks will be impossible to climb. The honor grind will be insane as you're now going against premades playing 70+ hours a week to try to climb high, and there was only a finite number of Rank 13 and one Rank 14 per week if I recall. This won't be classic where most people are scrubs. People know how to PVP now, and honor is all about premades and time. If Naxx3.0 is trivialized, there isnt really a need for Rank12/13/14 gear anyways.

When I grinded Rank14 in vanilla I was able to do it by going "hardcore" for 2 months, some premades, some solo queue. I imagine it'd be 300% harder now.

So PVE is a joke now and PVP grind sounds impossible without playing full-time WoW BG farm crew.

Maybe im not getting the hype of this shit. Itll be better because you get to pay $15/month?

[DMN]

You could make the same inference about p99. Yet here you are.

[Daloon]

You could make the same inference about p99. Yet here you are.
No, you cant. Good portion of this server cant kill a good portion of mobs. I guess if it was instanced.

[DMN]

No, you cant. Good portion of this server cant kill a good portion of mobs. I guess if it was instanced.

Heh. You could say the same thing about naxx. 95% of the players will never see most it let alone clear it. And 99.99% will never attain GM.

[Mead]

I have to agree. Scarlet Monastery might be harder than any eq encounter in Velios. Competition is the difference.

[Daloon]

sorry you lost and didn't get grand marshall
Can you read? I was GM... Black Dragonflight server, wasnt too hard, summer of grinding after I got rank10 or so. And thats my point... its going to require 300%++ more neckbearding than was ever required of me and others on live. I don't see how rank14 is even remotely possible unless they tweak things. I remember there being 3ish Field marshals per week, but could be wrong.

Was Naxx 3.0 cleared on Nostalrious? I didnt stick around on that server, but id assume it was pretty cake based on how much of a joke t1 and t2 is on those servers.

I still see no desire to play Live based on what I said earlier. Pvp is impossible if your goal is to climb to high rank, and PVE is a joke.

[FatherSioux]

Can you read? I was GM... Black Dragonflight server, wasnt too hard, summer of grinding after I got rank10 or so. And thats my point... its going to require 300%++ more neckbearding than was ever required of me and others on live.

I still see no desire to play Live based on what I said earlier. Pvp is impossible if your goal is to climb to high rank, and PVE is a joke.

Literally what p99 is, 300% more neck bearding activities compared to live.

[Pringles]

Never played WoW but I might try it out 15 years after the fact when this hits release. Or not, Everquest is a tough act to follow.

[Wonkie]

so no old AV? that dampens my excitement a bit, i never got to do that. always liked when the game got weird though

guess ill just pve

[America]

will there be a RP classique server? wat about rp-pvp?

[Swish2]

everquest bosses are more trivial then any bosses for any game ever created

they literally are 100% stupid and have no strat



That from a community that uses a shit ton of mods to know where to stand/what to do on any "non-trivial" raid boss :o

[Wonkie]

That from a community that uses a shit ton of mods to know where to stand/what to do on any "non-trivial" raid boss :o

oh come off it cat man, there's obviously more to wow bosses than eq bosses

i hope you get neutered like J

[clevergirl]

Hi wonkie. Whoooos a gudboi!

[FatherSioux]

Feels great not playing nostalrus the new wow classic server, any of these new eq live progression servers and all this other shit

PS I have a jet and most of you lose at life hard

You have the grammar and sentence structure of someone who sweeps the street.

[Oleris]

Classic files out on patcher. We are getting close.

[clevergirl]

I am pretty excited about this. Like. It's crazy to think that WOW is going to be reborn again. It's like these MMOS are ppl and they are making babies of themselves.

[Oleris]

Looks like they won't be nerfing/improving items via timeline. All items will have the 1.12 stats at them at the launch. Not sure how I feel about this since I don't have too much experience.

Thoughts?

[Jaxon]

(Ancient Chinese gold farming song)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnuFvO1iHAg

[Oleris]

Happy to announce classic wow will release on August 27th.

[Oleris]

beta starts tomorrow

[FatherSioux]

closed beta starts tomorrow

[NegaStoat]

I feel sad about this whole deal. I used to be a GM / Assistant Dev on the old Bloodcraft project and then later did work for the Kronos team. Pre Cataclysm WoW was kind of a part of my life and I always dreamed that Blizzard would someday launch a set of classic content servers that would be absolutely legit, non Mang0s, non Trinity fork code. The real deal.

What Blizz will be launching will be a product that's updated instead of classic but I agree with most of their change decisions and also agree that it will be a super experience. Except... I've been working on the Issue 24 build of City of Heroes that is 100% legit retail code and am a part of refining it to 2019 hardware use with correct multiprocessing recognition. The first test build is done and up and we're only a week or two away from finishing the thing.

My nostalgia for City of Heroes is so much stronger, lol. It's just been a really crazy month to take in the options for classic games that are a reality and discovering I just have so much time to play things.

[Evia]

Release Date was announced today. August 27th!


Reliving 2004 this August 27th until I...

Relive 1999 again this October!


It's like all my MMO dreams are coming true this year!

[Kust]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0-u5zYpoVA

[DMN]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ir5j3SIp9bk

[Oleris]

I'm looking for a guild. Will be playing a mage.

[Jaxon]

http://www.leagueofpirates.com/sirvival/queuedance.html

[JayDee]

Once I heard there was sharding or what they're calling "layering", it's a hard pass for me

[Oleris]

Once I heard there was sharding or what they're calling "layering", it's a hard pass for me

It's going to be like 4,000 players for the sharding. The sharding will only be for those on that server and it will only last for the first 2-3 months of the server. Trust me, you don't want to play when there are 10,000 level 1's all starting at the same time at the same place. It's going to be nothing like the graveyard of current wow sharding.

[DMN]

you need sharding there will be 1000 unemployed stay at home sons at the hakkari tar pits farming living essence and fighting nonstop

Go run an instance then and quit being a bitch baby.

[NegaStoat]

It's going to be like 4,000 players for the sharding. The sharding will only be for those on that server and it will only last for the first 2-3 months of the server. Trust me, you don't want to play when there are 10,000 level 1's all starting at the same time at the same place. It's going to be nothing like the graveyard of current wow sharding.

I get the need for them to do this and it makes sense, but not if you're looking at the classic servers and how the game was then. Cenarian Circle was arguably the most populated NA server and at max during the peak of BC, it had 4.5k players and an estimated 3k players during vanilla. Numbers were pulled off of the WoW census website / addon at the time, and I recall being impressed when I was over on Twisting Nether and we had like 2k during NA Prime time on a Sunday.

Anyway, I don't understand why they just don't take between 3-5 servers and link their databases for names and accounts so that no one could get a repeat name on that cluster, and then launch the cluster, let play run its course, and truncate the # of servers in the cluster with merges without a hitch. Such a system would give a far more classic experience instead of having phased shards / layering.

Edit - yes, I know that opening week on a given server will be hell in all of the noob locations. That's how it was in classic so who gives a flip?

[Fifield]

Definatly going to play this,, i dont wanna miss this experience. Troll hunter. Never played horde much played alliance when i was a kid.

Pretty big WoW noob but thats going to be the fun of it. Will be playing with some AM buddies, some RL friends, some that don't play EQ. If anyone runs a guild there that wants some more lets get in touch.

[Evia]

Definatly going to play this,, i dont wanna miss this experience. Troll hunter. Never played horde much played alliance when i was a kid.

Pretty big WoW noob but thats going to be the fun of it. Will be playing with some AM buddies, some RL friends, some that don't play EQ. If anyone runs a guild there that wants some more lets get in touch.

I'd also be interested in joining a guild for WoW classic! I'll be playing Alliance tho this time and prefer a pvp server but am open to doing a pve one. I plan on maining a Dwarf Priest and alting a Gnome Warlock. I'm so pumped! I even took off 9 days at the start of wow classic just so my casual ass can go all in!

[Fifield]

mmmmmm 9 days of glory, im jelous

[Kulo]

i never got into WoW in the past. I was always an eq player till around TSS expansion....What server and whatever website do i go to with the most popular server , like p1999 to try out WoW? I would need the install instructions and everything as im not very computer savvy if its complicated.

[Oleris]

i never got into WoW in the past. I was always an eq player till around TSS expansion....What server and whatever website do i go to with the most popular server , like p1999 to try out WoW? I would need the install instructions and everything as im not very computer savvy if its complicated.

lights dawn is the most popular freeshard right now. Rumor is that it will shutdown when vanilla launches.

[Fifield]

Made a discord to gather people planning on playing horde. Invite your friends let's get together

https://discord.gg/9zVYWP2

[Mota]

yes, I know that opening week on a given server will be hell in all of the noob locations. That's how it was in classic so who gives a flip?

I played classic at launch and, recently, multiple private servers at launch. There are way more people at launch these days than in classic. WAAAAAY more.

[Dwarflord]

Made a discord to gather people planning on playing horde. Invite your friends let's get together

https://discord.gg/9zVYWP2

Remake the link it says expired please. Going alliance probably dwarf hunter as farming char and mage as raiding char.

Anyone know if the exp will be classic type 1x or faster???

[JayDee]

Would be nice if they released a server level capped at 30 for a month then 40 for a month etc.

Been watching some videos of beta with it's level 30 cap. Looks fun AF. People challenging themselves in pve and having a great time in world pvp.

[DMN]

Would be nice if they released a server level capped at 30 for a month then 40 for a month etc.

Been watching some videos of beta with it's level 30 cap. Looks fun AF. People challenging themselves in pve and having a great time in world pvp.

That just unbalances PvP as some classes don't even function completely at that level.

[fullblown]

Tempted to play it but for me, the best part about WoW back in the day was RL friends that played. I never knew anybody that played EQ for longer than about 2 weeks, where there were some good years of WoW.

Horde all the way.

[Dwarflord]

Make new friends bro.

[Hibbs]

Tauren Warrior! I cant waaaaait!

[NegaStoat]

Tauren Warrior! I cant waaaaait!
Same. I'm going for it when launch happens and I'm ashamed to state that I have just about all the Horde vanilla content memorized in terms of quest routes, gear, etc. The Tauren warrior really is second to none. I'm also going to roll a Tauren shaman but will first level a Tauren druid to 35 rapidly to use as a tradeskill mule.

Druids in vanilla are stupid easy to level in terrible gear. Going skinning / mining and using the 6 spare character slots for banker alts = I'll store every scrap of leather, ore, and cloth before actually starting a trade. Taking the warrior and shaman to level 20ish each using quest rewards and greens gained from the druid is ezpz without having to touch trades.

The warrior is hands down the best tank and one of the strongest classes in vanilla. The shaman is absolutely the best horde healer available due to their strength in stacking in raids. They're especially fun in pvp too. The druid is complete garbo excepting the super simple early leveling + tradeskill mule use. I just need to really figure out what trades I want the warrior and shaman to have after level 20.

[Fifield]

Remake the link it says expired please. Going alliance probably dwarf hunter as farming char and mage as raiding char.

Anyone know if the exp will be classic type 1x or faster???

shit sorry didnt check this for awhile

https://discord.gg/9zVYWP2

did that work? we have about 10 of us or so on there so far. everyone trying to decide what class to go with but sounds like were getting some traction. Everyone getting excited, still like 3 months away i cant wait!

can add me on discord if this link doesnt work and i'll invite you. Fifield#4811

HORDE!

[choppedandglued]

Glad somebody made this thread. I'm going to make a undead rogue on PVP. I'm wondering how many people are going to be streamer sniping? Can you get in trouble for doing that anyways?

I really enjoyed vanilla pvp as it wasn't that ridiculous in numeric value as it is now i.e. 22.5MIL

Keep it somewhat simple, and improve on it till it's perfect. You don't see them adding new things to chess.

[Iksar_with_a_plan]

Quite a bit of terrible info being tossed about here. Don’t come to p99 forums for WoW insight.

[bigjeff100]

Question- I played original WoW up to Cataclysm. However i feel like there is so much more that P99 has to offer and explore. So many different ways to build a character in EQ. And even though there is BIS in P99. We are all geared and built differently.

That being said- I felt like Wow always had a very mapped out gear setup. But i could be remembering incorrectly... Just seemed like everybody was after the same awards at the end of the day... Am i wrong? Will classic WoW come down to- Who can play better, and not just who has better gear?

[Mota]

Question- I played original WoW up to Cataclysm. However i feel like there is so much more that P99 has to offer and explore. So many different ways to build a character in EQ. And even though there is BIS in P99. We are all geared and built differently.

That being said- I felt like Wow always had a very mapped out gear setup. But i could be remembering incorrectly... Just seemed like everybody was after the same awards at the end of the day... Am i wrong? Will classic WoW come down to- Who can play better, and not just who has better gear?

BIS in wow is much more straightforward and clear compared to EQ. So kind of yes lots of people are going after the same item. But the margin between good gear and BIS is much smaller in WOW than EQ. You can do all the content in blue gear, even with some green. Purp gear is nice but not necessary to complete classic end game content.

In pvp skill makes up for gear discrepancy in some situations. My blue geared rogue could 1v1 purple gear warriors all day, for example. But in a team fight, purple gear warrior charges my rogue and I hope my cooldowns are up or I'm gonna die pretty quick.

[bigjeff100]

BIS in wow is much more straightforward and clear compared to EQ. So kind of yes lots of people are going after the same item. But the margin between good gear and BIS is much smaller in WOW than EQ. You can do all the content in blue gear, even with some green. Purp gear is nice but not necessary to complete classic end game content.

In pvp skill makes up for gear discrepancy in some situations. My blue geared rogue could 1v1 purple gear warriors all day, for example. But in a team fight, purple gear warrior charges my rogue and I hope my cooldowns are up or I'm gonna die pretty quick.

So like.. Most folks even casual players will easily top out their PVP gear right? WoW seems refreshing to me as a casual player cause i feel like i can focus more on enjoying the game and improving pvp skills, rather than spending my life attaining gear...

[NegaStoat]

So like.. Most folks even casual players will easily top out their PVP gear right? WoW seems refreshing to me as a casual player cause i feel like i can focus more on enjoying the game and improving pvp skills, rather than spending my life attaining gear...

A casual player honestly won't find the dedication to PvP and organizing premade groups and so forth for the numerous weeks of grinding required to get the gear and a weapon like the Unstoppable Force. It really is kind of painful. The other thing to keep in mind is that it will be a few months after release (several months in fact) before the best Battlegrounds and their rewards are even in the game due to staged content introduction.

For myself, I'll take the normal casual route involving gear by joining a smaller guild and focusing on doing the usual BRD / Scholo / Dire Maul runs as well as tradeskill material farming and assisting reliable players with their grinding out Timbermaw & Thorium Brotherhood faction for exceptionally good tradeskill crafted items.

Getting full blues with a couple of lower end epic items isn't hard at all, and they carry a character pretty well. The tier 1.5 armor questline when it's put into the game is very fun and great for casuals that turn their noses up at Molten Core / Blackwing Lair / Onyxia, and Zul Gurub / Ahn Qirij 25 man raiding offers some absolutely excellent gear as well for a smaller body count requirement.

As mentioned above, PvP comes largely down to skill and having comparable gear vs what you're fighting. Having top end isn't necessary. Now, being equipped with Engineering Items and potions vs a foe that doesn't have them is a massive deal in fights. Having those items gives you an edge that can't be ignored.

[Dwarflord]

yea you are stupid you can just que up and join the BG

wow supports the most casual players of all, but cool post i didnt read


( i read one sentence )

[NegaStoat]

Okay, a tldr version - Vanilla WoW doesn't have resilience on PvP gear. People who are casual that want to own in PvP don't 'just que BG it's not that hard'. They get rolled by people who PvE and get full gear and then join BG's to farm solo que casual scrubs like the poster above.

Casual players have 2 choices. Get constantly rolled by the premade teams that are using sync BG join launches and waste a hell of a lot of time trying to get anywhere, or they can suck it up and PvE first for the gear that is going to end up matching the Rep vendor trash. My first response was aimed at BigJef, hence my quote, so I'm assuming drugs are what prompted the above poster's "I don't care but care enough to post" drivel.

[bigjeff100]

Okay, a tldr version - Vanilla WoW doesn't have resilience on PvP gear. People who are casual that want to own in PvP don't 'just que BG it's not that hard'. They get rolled by people who PvE and get full gear and then join BG's to farm solo que casual scrubs like the poster above.

Casual players have 2 choices. Get constantly rolled by the premade teams that are using sync BG join launches and waste a hell of a lot of time trying to get anywhere, or they can suck it up and PvE first for the gear that is going to end up matching the Rep vendor trash. My first response was aimed at BigJef, hence my quote, so I'm assuming drugs are what prompted the above poster's "I don't care but care enough to post" drivel.

Hahaha thank you Nega! I never did the 25man raids.. I was always the dude who que'd for everything.. BG's and Dungeons haha.. thank you for clarifying!! Sounds like i'll follow the route of enjoying PVE for a bit!!! The more thought i put into this, the more excited i'm getting!

Ps- Ignore the little fat guy trolling. According to him, he's the richest, most attractive, most healthy individual in the universe. Seems believable.

[Dwarflord]

Okay, a tldr version - Vanilla WoW doesn't have resilience on PvP gear. People who are casual that want to own in PvP don't 'just que BG it's not that hard'. They get rolled by people who PvE and get full gear and then join BG's to farm solo que casual scrubs like the poster above.

Casual players have 2 choices. Get constantly rolled by the premade teams that are using sync BG join launches and waste a hell of a lot of time trying to get anywhere, or they can suck it up and PvE first for the gear that is going to end up matching the Rep vendor trash. My first response was aimed at BigJef, hence my quote, so I'm assuming drugs are what prompted the above poster's "I don't care but care enough to post" drivel.

yea you just kill someone not looking, sorry you have no pvp experience and TLDR Everything

also dum

[Valakut]

WoW seems refreshing to me as a casual player cause i feel like i can focus more on enjoying the game


threads over folks thanks for coming

[bigjeff100]

Neato!! Account stolen about 10 years ago, is back!

https://i.imgur.com/Wsgg4jH.jpg

[NegaStoat]

Neato!! Account stolen about 10 years ago, is back!

https://i.imgur.com/Wsgg4jH.jpg

I'm pretty sure that Blizzard had their user account database compromised twice before they switched to Battle.net centralization, and a limited compromise once during the early stage of the new Battle.net. I kept getting Emails from the legitimate Blizzard customer service about my two accounts that I sold back during the Trial of the Crusader patch during WoTLK. They made me smile and I kept deleting them. I'd closed my checking account used to pay for those accounts anyway.

Congrats on getting the account back though. Horde is where the fun will be.

[Swish2]

Horde is where the fun will be.

I honestly don't know how people enjoy

1. Playing alliance
2. Having pink haired gnomes as allies
3. Alliance zones... horde much better.

Maybe they'll even fix Stolen Silver in the barrens for once.

[Lune]

I honestly don't know how people enjoy

1. Playing alliance
2. Having pink haired gnomes as allies
3. Alliance zones... horde much better.

Maybe they'll even fix Stolen Silver in the barrens for once.

I play alliance for westfall, deadmines, elwynn, redridge, wetlands

No horde zones even compare

[fortior]

I play alliance for westfall, deadmines, elwynn, redridge, wetlands

No horde zones even compare

you can go there as horde too, with the added bonus of owning noobs

[Fifield]

The home has been built for us P99 players going horde. Discord is 47 deep and growing.

<Corpse Run> is the name, if your looking for a casual raiding guild come join the fun. Leave your p99 drama at the door.

Fifield#4811 is my discord if you need an invite.

[Nuggie]

https://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/co4cx3/official_classic_wow_na_server_list/

NA server list.


Fifi, which server you guys going to?

[Viscere]

The home has been built for us P99 players going horde. Discord is 47 deep and growing.

<Corpse Run> is the name, if your looking for a casual raiding guild come join the fun. Leave your p99 drama at the door.

Fifield#4811 is my discord if you need an invite.

this makes me so sad because it's on NA and we are EU :(

[Evia]

It makes me sad it's horde and not alliance lol

[Fifield]

https://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/co4cx3/official_classic_wow_na_server_list/

NA server list.


Fifi, which server you guys going to?

Herod, other P99'rs going alliance are going herod as well so we will all be on the same server but different factions.

Hopefully get to see eachother and do some pvp. ( also discord now 65 members deeeeeeeeep) the hype the hype

[Evia]

I went Grobbulus alliance. Rppvp server is where it’s at!

[icedwards]

Everyone trying to reserve their names on Herod last night (https://youtu.be/lbjRlxvKLBc)

[mizzbiscuits]

Mankrik probably

[Nashobaoka]

checked it out over the weekend with a druid and i'd say it's alright, but not sure it's worth the subscription except for the hardcore fanboy players or those that never got to play vanilla. vanilla was the best experience of that game and after that is done who really cares enough about wow to continue paying for that game after having already played it all. for new players i think it's great if you can get passed the spawn camping.

[Insomnia]

Herod for me unless the population is too unbearable. It being the high pop pvp/est realm is a no brainer. Either Undead Warrior or Rogue for me. Both seem to have their dps tweaked from what I remember from Live and having played on a handful of 1.12.1 servers.

[aaezil]

Eq clone but designed to be more user friendly and targeted to 13 year old kids and 40+ housewives?

Hard pass

[Swish2]

Everyone trying to reserve their names on Herod last night (https://youtu.be/lbjRlxvKLBc)

couldn't get "Swish" on any server but I wasn't surprised :rolleyes:

[Bisonzabi]

Eq clone but designed to be more user friendly and targeted to 13 year old kids and 40+ housewives?

Hard pass

EQ is an incredibly original idea and not just a 3D Meridian 59 with a typical D&D campaign.

[Insomnia]

Curious if they will have original hunter pet abilities that made the game cool or 100% nerfed damage and abilities?

From what i remember whatever was in from patches up to 1.2 is how things will start. IIRC theyre releasing content in like 6 or 7 phases.

[Mblake81]

EQ is an incredibly original idea and not just a 3D Meridian 59 with a typical D&D campaign.

That is a good one. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peT0Zwr5Zhk) Had I started a few years earlier I might very well be ranting about M59. But your counter post is weak because that is what WOW was setup for and part of the reason for its massive success.

M59 wasn't a blockbuster, neither was UO, EQ, DAOC, Shadowbane, Star Wars online etc. They served a small audience and didn't really care about making everyone happy. PC gaming was never a mainstream thing, at least not during this time period. WoWs most positive traits are also what causes it to be hated by some of us, including myself.

Likewise, im sure one of the posters here is wayy oldschool and wouldn't piss on me if I was on fire because I came from the era of 3D accelerator cards.

[Psyborg]

I rolled Bloodsail Buccaneers (PvE-RP). RP communities tend to be enthusiastic and vibrant. The toxicity level, overall, is far less than other communities. Additionally, at some point the content in classic is going to be burned through and I will still want to find a reason to play. While I don't intend to RP, having that option available to me down the line is intriguing.

[Evia]

I rolled Bloodsail Buccaneers (PvE-RP). RP communities tend to be enthusiastic and vibrant. The toxicity level, overall, is far less than other communities. Additionally, at some point the content in classic is going to be burned through and I will still want to find a reason to play. While I don't intend to RP, having that option available to me down the line is intriguing.

Pick Grobbulous man! Pvp RP! So you get to play the game, pvp, and maybe rp down the road! I have a small crew of 4-6 playing over there on alliance! It'll be fun!

[Psyborg]

Pick Grobbulous man! Pvp RP! So you get to play the game, pvp, and maybe rp down the road! I have a small crew of 4-6 playing over there on alliance! It'll be fun!

I've done PvP RP. It ends up being like every other PvP server with nothing special to differentiate it other than a lower population. I can honestly say that the charm of RP communities is going to be virtually non-existent on Grob. Plus it is West coast :eek:

PvE-RP tends to have more structured world PvP. I'm sure you'll have a great time though!

[silo32]

Wont be playing. after x years on Light's Hope playing both sides and many classes I just cannot justify doing it again and paying for it. its like when EQLive releases a new progression sever.. its just.. why? we have it now

pretty much this

between all the f r e s h servers in the past 3 years, ive played them all lvld everything to 60 and raided, got epic mounts, gear, did about everything 100 times over

no real reason to even bother playing classic retail

enjoy your reskinned bfa tho

[Bardp1999]

Very surprised at the levels of hate coming from a 30-year-old Elf Sim board. I'll give it a month or two of my money just to relive some of the magic

[Prostatus]

this is now a Meridian 59 thread
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keePLKXXEHA

[Mazoku]

Aren't the undead part of an expansion thus NOT in vanilla anyway? I thought vanilla did not have the undead and they were added after first expansion?

[Mead]

Aren't the undead part of an expansion thus NOT in vanilla anyway? I thought vanilla did not have the undead and they were added after first expansion?

?

[Duvain]

Aren't the undead part of an expansion thus NOT in vanilla anyway? I thought vanilla did not have the undead and they were added after first expansion?

Undead were one of the original horde races, blood elves were added in TBC.

[pink grapefruit]

I made 3 chars on alliance side RP-PvP server, thinking I'd want to play paladin. But now I'm second-guessing myself, wondering if I should go horde side and play some kinda undead character...

https://i.imgur.com/wr3HH3k.png

[Mead]

Will be on Herod (H) with my buds. I look forward to killing all the p99 alliance and BL.

[Old_PVP]

I'll never pay to play a game again, especially not an old game. Emulators got me spoiled.

[Convict]

disgusting how many people going horde

shits gonna be lopsided as fuck congrats on the easy path

[Evia]

still open to meeting more people for grobbulous / alliance! PM me if anyone is interested in some RP-PVP! we've got around 6-8 over there!

[Mead]

disgusting how many people going horde

shits gonna be lopsided as fuck congrats on the easy path

Yea, I don't think you know what you're saying. Word on the block is Blood Legion is going alliance on Herod. So it's probably going to be more like a little more alliance or close to even. But with all of the drugs going around here you guys process things a little differently than I do.

[bigjeff100]

Rollin alliance here! :) Always have!

[Convict]

Yea, I don't think you know what you're saying. Word on the block is Blood Legion is going alliance on Herod. So it's probably going to be more like a little more alliance or close to even. But with all of the drugs going around here you guys process things a little differently than I do.

blood legion? so one guild going alliance makes them more populated?

Im judging my opinion completely based off the people that I know on this server and from past legacy servers, the sheer amount of "going horde" posts all over the internet, and the Horde guild threads recruiting on the wow classic forums. From my perspective its easily 2:1 if not more just based off those things. I've seen several polls that show it anywhere from 60:40 upwards of 70:30 in favor of horde on Herod too.

From how I understand it blood legion is a live wow guild. Their success there isnt guaranteed to translate to dominance on wow classic. I think you underestimate how many guilds from vanilla private servers are going horde that I know of, and have been playing vanilla wow for like the past decade on various vanilla private servers and have pretty much gotten it down to a science. I'm sure it wont be exactly the same but it will be pretty close and they will only have to make minor tweaks to the few differences.

But hey man I hope I am wrong and its more even, I really do, but my past experiences from almost every vanilla wow server I've played on has taught me differently.

[BallzDeep]

blood legion? so one guild going alliance makes them more populated?

Im judging my opinion completely based off the people that I know on this server and from past legacy servers, the sheer amount of "going horde" posts all over the internet, and the Horde guild threads recruiting on the wow classic forums. From my perspective its easily 2:1 if not more just based off those things. I've seen several polls that show it anywhere from 60:40 upwards of 70:30 in favor of horde on Herod too.

From how I understand it blood legion is a live wow guild. Their success there isnt guaranteed to translate to dominance on wow classic. I think you underestimate how many guilds from vanilla private servers are going horde that I know of, and have been playing vanilla wow for like the past decade on various vanilla private servers and have pretty much gotten it down to a science. I'm sure it wont be exactly the same but it will be pretty close and they will only have to make minor tweaks to the few differences.

But hey man I hope I am wrong and its more even, I really do, but my past experiences from almost every vanilla wow server I've played on has taught me differently.

Just from my experience on Elysium, Nost, Lights Hope, etc. Alliance always comes hard. Alliance has the class advantage in BG's, raids, etc. Paladins are more versatile than Shamans. Most people know this and the hardcores always go Alliance for that sole reason. They want a server first. People always piggy back from there.

[Convict]

Just from my experience on Elysium, Nost, Lights Hope, etc. Alliance always comes hard. Alliance has the class advantage in BG's, raids, etc. Paladins are more versatile than Shamans. Most people know this and the hardcores always go Alliance for that sole reason. They want a server first. People always piggy back from there.

I'll agree that the best overall premades are usually alliance. Alliance may also have a class advantage with paladins but overall horde racials are better especially for 1v1 and mass world pvp, excluding gnome, which most people will just pick a horde char over them anyways because gnomes look stupid and aesthetics still has a huge influence over a lot of players when it comes time to make a char, which is the reason why there's usually way more humans than gnomes or dwarves despite them having much better racial abilities. But my argument is purely about faction disproportion, its not about which faction has the better advantage in specific areas. From a purely numbers standpoint so far horde seems to be dominating on most of the PVP servers. Time will tell but early indicators show it that way

[Evia]

I made 3 chars on alliance side RP-PvP server, thinking I'd want to play paladin. But now I'm second-guessing myself, wondering if I should go horde side and play some kinda undead character...

https://i.imgur.com/wr3HH3k.png

Yeah man! More for grobbulous alliance! You don’t wanna play a nasty over rated undead character anyway!

[Mazoku]

Undead were one of the original horde races, blood elves were added in TBC.



Ahh okay, I did not play WoW very much so I'm not very familiar with it. Thanks for the clear up

[pink grapefruit]

Why would there be more horde than alliance?

In classic I feel like most people go alliance because all the horde races are ugly. And on pretty much every RP server there's a lot more RP going on alliance side bc it's easier to RP with the classic human/dwarf/elf fantasy background to work with.

[Mead]

Why would there be more horde than alliance?

In classic I feel like most people go alliance because all the horde races are ugly. And on pretty much every RP server there's a lot more RP going on alliance side bc it's easier to RP with the classic human/dwarf/elf fantasy background to work with.

There's most likely not going to be. Plus alliance have paladins. That's a pretty solid advantage. Hence why the top raid guild during classic is rolling alliance. Dude has no clue what he's talking about.

[Duvain]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_7VJ381nSZfqiVaSqmlSRCS4VavhOVr1oLIjm4CfO-w/edit#gid=1638685106

Every PvP server has a horde majority...

[Oleris]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_7VJ381nSZfqiVaSqmlSRCS4VavhOVr1oLIjm4CfO-w/edit#gid=1638685106

Every PvP server has a horde majority...

That's because paladins are only good healers.... shamans are more fun

[JayDee]

This is cool. You guys playing the same shit on private servers except with sharding. good for you little buddies. See you again when you get bored by yearend

[Psyborg]

This is cool. You guys playing the same shit on private servers except with sharding. good for you little buddies. See you again when you get bored by yearend

If raiding on p99 was fun we wouldn't have a need to play classic WoW. Bat phones, tracking, fte races, bizarre raid times, 1 dimensional raid targets... sorry mate, won't miss it. You do you though.

[Vianna]

There's most likely not going to be. Plus alliance have paladins. That's a pretty solid advantage. Hence why the top raid guild during classic is rolling alliance. Dude has no clue what he's talking about.

Raids aren't 25 man in classic. You don't need Paladins. It was probably tougher for Horde when the content was new for sure but now days half your raiders aren't clueless.

[Vianna]

That's because paladins are only good healers.... shamans are more fun

Yeah that Mead fella was pretty clueless.

[Bisonzabi]

But your counter post is weak because that is what WOW was setup for and part of the reason for its massive success.

Actually the massive success WoW endured was primarily because Blizzard already had an insanely large fanbase behind it due to success like Warcraft 1-3, Starcraft, and Diablo 1-2. It was also a game that had 5 years of development, one of which was strictly for ironing out bugs which is why it didn't have issues with player drops due to a crappy buggy launch..

M59 wasn't a blockbuster, neither was UO, EQ, DAOC, Shadowbane, Star Wars online etc. They served a small audience and didn't really care about making everyone happy.

EQ hit a peak of 500k in 2003 before declining after. That was a lot more than other MMO's at the time, though by then FFXI had already surpassed it in subscription numbers. But with others like AC, DAoC, and UO it was significantly higher. That's like saying Doom was a niche when you compare to the sales of games like Call of Duty.

WoWs most positive traits are also what causes it to be hated by some of us, including myself.

I understand that. It annoys me when people think Blizzard is doing something innovative with creating a classic server. It annoys me when people forget about the countless other MMO's that existed before WoW and think WoW created it all. Ultimately though that comes down to the pure neglect on how those companies handled their franchise IP's for them to eventually fade into obscurity. The people who ran SoE were fucking retarded and throughout the early 2000's they made bad decision after bad decision ultimately coming off as greedy, out of touch, and delusional to the point where people just didn't care nor wanted to bother with what they pushed out.

But ultimately, people liked Classic WoW. And I do remember pre-WoW a lot of EQ1 chat was talking about moving over to WoW due to travesties like GoD which left a sour taste in many peoples mouths.

[JurisDictum]

Classic WoW has been fun. It's a little annoying that they did this patch 1.12 thing -- which means among other things that Ragnaros is WAAAY easier than he actually was on launch back in the day.

Hence, that Apes guild downed it first week with like 1 level 60 and a bunch of sub 60s (many not even 50). Now of course they were always going to do it autisticly fast, But they literally couldn't have this fast if they weren't up against the thrice nerfed version of Rag.

[BallzDeep]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_7VJ381nSZfqiVaSqmlSRCS4VavhOVr1oLIjm4CfO-w/edit#gid=1638685106

Every PvP server has a horde majority...

This was a pool of like 36K people across all servers, maybe 2K per server giving a response. Wouldn't really take this as accurate. I do think Horde has a majority but Alliance has it's benefits so typically some of the larger raid guilds go Alliance. Rag has been downed by Alliance on private server launches and classic.

[Kayso2]

Classic WoW has been fun. It's a little annoying that they did this patch 1.12 thing -- which means among other things that Ragnaros is WAAAY easier than he actually was on launch back in the day.

Hence, that Apes guild downed it first week with like 1 level 60 and a bunch of sub 60s (many not even 50). Now of course they were always going to do it autisticly fast, But they literally couldn't have this fast if they weren't up against the thrice nerfed version of Rag.

I don't disagree with anything you're saying. You're not wrong.

You're saying you find it "a little annoying" which is reasonable. But there are some people, even in my guild, that are way to triggered over this.

We have one level 60 and 14-16 level 50s. How fast other people kill Rag and Ony has no effect on us. And I'm sure glad I didn't have to spend my final 5 levels grinding elementals in Silithis which, I assume, is how they got the faction to spawn Majordomo.

[kjs86z]

Raids aren't 25 man in classic. You don't need Paladins. It was probably tougher for Horde when the content was new for sure but now days half your raiders aren't clueless.

3 words: Blessing of Salvation

threat generation / aggro is huge in classic...why do you think APES are alliance?

Sure, your fury warriors on horde side are gonna have the top melee parses...but when locks get enough gear for DS / Ruin and mages get gear for rolling ignites...GL using all that to its fullest potential. Alliance kills bosses faster and easier than horde, with the exception of Viscidus in AQ40.


Side note lol:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyWtVZNZwVs&t=40s

[bilirubin]

Is there like a p99 server of the private WoW server-world, as in a server with staff as dedicated to delivering a true patch by patch "classic" experience?

[Bardp1999]

Herod PVP Horde

[Mead]

Yeah that Mead fella was pretty clueless.

I'm glad we get to revisit this and everything has unfolded the way I said. Cheers bub.

[Mead]

Herod PVP Horde

Yeeeaaa

We could be bros and we don't even know it

[DMN]

Blizzard can lick my balls. Sad to see people burning up their life on that albatross. But even more sadly, totally expected.

[Mead]

Blizzard can lick my balls. Sad to see people burning up their life on that albatross. But even more sadly, totally expected.

We'll try not to take this too seriously from someone that plays 20 y/o emulated elfquest

[Chortles Snort|eS]

Ty 4 feEliNgS uPdaTe muScle elF!

[DMN]

We'll try not to take this too seriously from someone that plays 20 y/o emulated elfquest

There's going to be a shitload of morons and/or children on those servers. So when you run out of things to do, unlike in EQ where it's more of a social thing, in WOW it's just going to be a shit show because the community in WOW has always been toxic sludge with a hefty dose of chinese bots/hackers/farmers.

[Nuggie]

I don't know about anyone else, but I am having a respectable amount of fun with Classic WoW. Not a -whole lot- of fun, but enough to keep logging in.

Level 24 mage. Slow going.

[Psyborg]

Having tons of fun myself. I look forward to where they want to go next with non-retail servers. I imagine we'll see servers released that go up through Burning Crusade at some point.

[Evia]

I'm having the best time I've had mmoing in years. I keep waiting for the 'can't wait to log in to do x' feeling to go away. It's not.

[Bardp1999]

Classic WoW is gripping me fierce. Level 26 Shaman Herod. Look for the guild <Corpse Run> it has about 100 Aftermath pals and other P99ers in the guild.

Classic WoW is not the face roll that you may remember of WoW, leveling is challenging and im honestly having as much, if not more, fun on Herod than I did when I discovered P99. They did classic WoW justice

FOR THE HORDEEEEE

Myrdrraal <Corpse Run> 26 Shaman

[username17]

I'm enjoying it. NE Rogue on a RP PvP server.
But I'm playing very casually. I cannot let it get it's hooks in me again.
I play maybe an hour or two a day and force myself to stop after that.

[Fifield]

I'm enjoying it. NE Rogue on a RP PvP server.
But I'm playing very casually. I cannot let it get it's hooks in me again.
I play maybe an hour or two a day and force myself to stop after that.

Have a kid and that's all you'll get! =D

[Evia]

Have a kid and that's all you'll get! =D

my year and a half year old will actually guard the pc chair so my wife cannot play. it's pretty cute/hilarious to me but she doesn't find it near as adorable. He isnt as obsessive about me not playing because he's a super mamas boy...but OH MY GOD the way he loses his shit if she tries to get on is something else.



pretty sure thats why shes only lvl 18 and im almost 37.

[skorge]

I played WOW for 2 months back when it was REAL classic (before any expansions). I didn't get the same feeling EQ or even DAOC gave me. Maybe it was because I could solo 1-60 in a super short amount of time. I was used to it taking months to ding max level.

I remember flying through levels so fast that gear was worthless while I was leveling up. I also remember playing Doom 3 over WOW lol...so it tells me I musta really not liked it to move on to a FPS single player game.

To this day I have zero desire to play WOW again.

Edit: I also didn't like instances...WOW started all this I believe. None of the other games I played before had this. Dark Age of Camelot was an amazing MMORPG that I feel was too hard for WOW to top or come close to me...prolly why I got turned off from it.

[Evia]

I played WOW for 2 months back when it was REAL classic (before any expansions). I didn't get the same feeling EQ or even DAOC gave me. Maybe it was because I could solo 1-60 in a super short amount of time. I was used to it taking months to ding max level.

I remember flying through levels so fast that gear was worthless while I was leveling up. I also remember playing Doom 3 over WOW lol...so it tells me I musta really not liked it to move on to a FPS single player game.

To this day I have zero desire to play WOW again.

Edit: I also didn't like instances...WOW started all this I believe. None of the other games I played before had this. Dark Age of Camelot was an amazing MMORPG that I feel was too hard for WOW to top or come close to me...prolly why I got turned off from it.

I also played wow classic back in 04/05 and wasn't nearly as interested as i am now in it. I came back to EQ myself. I don't know what's different this time around.... but I'm definitely enjoying it far and away more than the first time. Maybe because of how the game evolved? I started to realize classic wow really was better than i gave it credit? Or maybe after 20 years of everquest I was more open to it? Idk but its been really, really enjoyable

[Fifield]

Idk but its been really, really enjoyable

I hear ya,
i've played p99 for like 7 years and this is the first time i've really enjoyed another mmo.
Now with the announcement of green, when the EQ itch hits again can casually level a necro there. Good times.

Our guild still going strong on Herod server. All still leveling and enjoying the content. We've created a great home for the p99 community to play together so if any of you are thinking of trying WoW classic and want a home. Come join the fun.

[Somekid123]

Im on Rattlegore, Andain 22 night elf druid if anyone wants to tag along, can toss you some potions and find u some baggies!

Andain#5452 is my discord, have a few friends playing with me.

[Shadilay]

Get ready for every server with strong raiding guilds to ruin economy. Already layer hopping in dungeons to farm gear+gold.

What a great game.

[Tenagra]

I've gotten a dwarf priest to 31 and I've been having fun due to the amount of friends I have playing but I just wish they'd play EQ w me instead of me play wow with them.

[Vizax_Xaziv]

I've gotten a dwarf priest to 31 and I've been having fun due to the amount of friends I have playing but I just wish they'd play EQ w me instead of me play wow with them.

Hah I actually feel the same damned way! Here's to hoping I can convince some of them to at least TRY Green99 when it launches.

The funniest thing, to me, is that they ALL seem to know/remember the "EverCrack" meme from two decades back. I've been trying to explain to them that honestly leveling 1-60 in classic WOW likely takes just as long as leveling from 1-50 in Classic EQ.

Now leveling 51-60 in Kunark is a whole 'nother level of grind, but I've neglected to mention this to them. Hopefully by then they'll invested enough in the game to slog it out w/ me haha!

[Bardp1999]

I've been playing P99 since the end of 2014. I love P99. Classic WoW is just a more modern game. Even in its "classic" state, it feels so many light years ahead of even modern EQ that it's not comparable aside from the fact they are both MMORPGs. EQ is a bicycle and WoW is a motorcycle.

[Nuggie]

Had to crawl before you could walk. Had to EQ before you could WoW.

[Mead]

wow is 100 times easier then eq

in eq when you die you gotta go get your gear and spawn naked, you also lose exp

wow is for 2 year olds who want to jump at the bank

What you're trying to say is EQ has a lot more risk vs reward. And WoW has aspects that are highly convenient. Which I'm 100% with you there. But as far as it being harder, EQ boss fights and pvp don't even come close to WoW. You can't get through WoW at the top level mashing the 1 key and being in 1st person view not even knowing what part of the zone you're in.

[Mead]

dunno i was playing vanilla gaming and raided up to including KT and every healer used /qh ( thats quick heal )

every tank has a tank macro

mages push 1 button etc

if you think the "Strat" Makes it hard you are stupid.

Everquest boss fights can last a very long period of time and require alot of focus, you definitley never raided tacvi

Yea, I'm the stupid one. We must be playing different WoWs then. Anyways, this argument has already been hashed out to death. I'm not about to relive it.

One of the biggest factors in what makes EQ so exciting(and frustrating) is the potential loss of time to gain those pixels. It has nothing to do with "skill." But the good news is most of you chaps got nothing but time.

Hope this helps.

[Oleris]

29.5 Taking it nice and casual.

[Danth]

Without discussing EQ at all, talking about Warcraft's difficulty in respect to the present warcraft-classic product amuses me. Warcraft-classic is based on a dumbed-down, easymode 1.12 patch era. The high level dungeons in particular are but shells of their original selves with many fewer monsters and easier mechanics and many characters are significantly stronger than launch-era due to the revised talents. It's a huge disappointment. Few players remember how difficult Warcraft could be at launch, either due to the passage of years or because most players weren't there right away.

Danth

[Chortles Snort|eS]

ElfZ mode no thX

[Mead]

If they didn't roll out that patch and rag wasn't easy mode you tards would find something else to complain about. It's just the way you are.

[Chortles Snort|eS]

BabbYs 1st MMO

[Mead]

MirAcle GrOw

[Baler]

has it died down on the live servers yet?

[Mead]

DM just came out Tuesday there are 1k queues on Herod again

[Deathrydar]

I thought I would miss classic Wow after suddenly losing interest at the end of September. But for some reason, I am relieved I don't partake in that cesspool excuse of an MMORPG any longer!

[Chortles Snort|eS]

Era vanilla with IReLfs was enough
Move to resolved

[Mead]

I thought I would miss classic Wow after suddenly losing interest at the end of September. But for some reason, I am relieved I don't partake in that cesspool excuse of an MMORPG any longer!

That's exactly how I feel about eq. I don't miss it at all

[Chortles Snort|eS]

MayB posT on wOw forumS to yiff? 🤔

[Mead]

MayB posT on wOw forumS to yiff? 🤔

And miss you mentioning me in every other post?

Nah

[Chortles Snort|eS]

YummY mad bro