Robe of the Living Fungus

[Azzbad]

Anyone have concrete evidence of nerf date?

According to http://waybackmachine.org/20010301000000*/http://everlore.com

RE: ATTENTION!!!!!!!!!! By: Anonymous
Posted @ Sun, Apr 1st 11:58 PM Score: Default[2.00]
Uhm, no.

It still drops but the regen has been removed. It's been that way since the beginning of 2001. So anyway, this guys sources obviously were wrong.

So if Kunark came out April 21st of 2000 the robe got nerfed approx 8 months after release. So we are looking at January 2012 for P99?

[Slathar]

Based on my memory it was changed during early-mid Velious. So I'm guessing it will probably nerfed whenever that is released on project1999. It may be a while.

[sero]

I have asked this question in a couple of threads and looked for answers on Google myself. I haven't arrived at anything concrete so far.

Although, a post on EQ Cleric forums (http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/archive/index.php/t-8523.html) dated November 1, 2000 claims that the Robe was nerfed "a month ago."

That would mean October 1, 2000, so that would make it about 5 months after Kunark came out.

[baalzy]

I went through yesterday and read all the patch notes from release to luclin on this site:
http://www.tski.co.jp/baldio/patch/19992002.php

and couldn't find any mention of the robe or the staff to find out when they get nerfed.

[Molitoth]

Fungi Staff/Robe never even existed on The Tribunal server.

I would think it got nerfed pretty quick.

[Messianic]

It occurred very quickly.

http://www.cs.hmc.edu/~jhsu/everquest/

Absolutely occurred before June 19, 2000.

[baalzy]

256556It occurred very quickly.

http://www.cs.hmc.edu/~jhsu/everquest/

Absolutely occurred before June 19, 2000.


The article doesn't provide conclusive evidence that the nerf happened before June 19th, 2000.

He specifically refers to it as 'allegations' of a 'nerf', which would suggest that on/before June 19th there were rumors of the effect being changed, but doesn't prove that the change had gone into effect yet.

On the other hand in his list of retorts it sounds like the nerf had taken place.

I hardly consider it conclusive evidence though.

[baalzy]

Most accurate (date wise) post on allah:

Posted: 2001-04-01 22:58:14
Uhm, no.

It still drops but the regen has been removed. It's been that way since the beginning of 2001. So anyway, this guys sources obviously were wrong.

Definitely sounds like the regrowth lasted at least until Velious.

[sero]

lol @ calling a lone Allakhazam comment credible

[nilbog]

http://replay.waybackmachine.org/200011200652/http://eq.castersrealm.com/viewarticle.asp?Article=1750

Abashi.. saying it never had the effect whatsoever.

If he was wrong, it was still definitely gone by June 00.

[sero]

cheers nilbog

[Messianic]

The article doesn't provide conclusive evidence that the nerf happened before June 19th, 2000.

He specifically refers to it as 'allegations' of a 'nerf', which would suggest that on/before June 19th there were rumors of the effect being changed, but doesn't prove that the change had gone into effect yet.

On the other hand in his list of retorts it sounds like the nerf had taken place.

I hardly consider it conclusive evidence though.

Did you read further than the "allegations" part?

The robe was incredibly imbalancing. Combined with Mend, it would make Monks totally independent of any class for downtime healing. The rate of healing would compete even with meditation for mana gain. It would be akin to giving Warriors the ability to Gate (fake Cobalt breastplate anyone?)

This is serious past-tense stuff. Had the nerf not happened, it would have been an argument of "The robe is imbalancing", and the monk community was very dialed-in because of how common the robes were and the fact that druids and clerics (the only other two classes which could equip it) didn't care much for the robe.

Edit:

And in context, he's listing a series of monk nerfs that already happened. Context makes it positive that the nerf had already happened, people were complaining about it, and he's responding to it.

[Chrushev]

So if Kunark was released in the end of April, and the tunic/robe were nerfed by June, thats like a month and maybe a week or two... so expect it to be nerfed around the end of this month. Early May 2011.

[baalzy]

lol @ calling a lone Allakhazam comment credible

There are a million alla comments on that robe that all claim the regen was on it until X date. Where X is sometime around velious.

Maybe not credible, but there are more than one lone comment.

I picked the one that at least sounded like it had the most authority.

Either way, Nilbog pretty much pwned this conversation.

And Mess, either way the changing of tensing in your article does not live up to what I'd call indisputable proof. For all we know he could have been referring to a change that occurred on the test server that hadn't been put into live yet, hence the 'alleged'. But, whatever.

[sero]

There are a million alla comments on that robe that all claim the regen was on it until X date.

This statement is a complete fabrication. I just re-read that thread (http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=2101) and there's only one comment referencing that date, which is the one you already posted, and all he says in it is that the Robe has been nerfed since early 2001.

If we employ a little bit of logic, we can only infer form this comment that in early 2001, the Robe was nerfed. It doesn't mean that the item was nerfed precisely during early 2001. Nor does it exclude it being nerfed long before early 2001. It just says that, at the time of early 2001, the item was nerfed.

[baalzy]

I read a lot of the comments

You're right, thats the only one that really lists a specific date.

But many of the comments make it sound like people thought the effect was still in place, was coming back, or had just recently been removed and they're posted in 2001-2002.

[Chrushev]

I read a lot of the comments

You're right, thats the only one that really lists a specific date.

But many of the comments make it sound like people thought the effect was still in place, was coming back, or had just recently been removed and they're posted in 2001-2002.

That was probably due to the fact of people seeing the robe on other people, and being like "Oh snapzors.. i must get me one of em robes..." going on Alla, and seeing people talk about it and being like "Oh no he di'nt!... I saw a monk ze o'der day and he tot'lly had an effect as of [blah blah date]... so [flame flame flame] + [date here]"

At least thats my theory :p Since most people didnt know that if you got it pre nerf you got to keep the stats.

[Azzbad]

That was probably due to the fact of people seeing the robe on other people, and being like "Oh snapzors.. i must get me one of em robes..." going on Alla, and seeing people talk about it and being like "Oh no he didnt!... I saw a monk ze oder day and he totally had an effect as of <blah blah date>... so <flame flame flame> + <date here>"

At least thats my theory :p Since most people didnt know that if you got it pre nerf you got to keep the stats.

Retro nerf or current drops go unchanged?

[Chrushev]

Retro nerf or current drops go unchanged?

Some items got retro nerfed... Fungi Robe/Tunic kept their regen, the new versions didnt have regen.

Pretty sure thats how it went down :P

[sero]

Some items got retro nerfed... Fungi Robe/Tunic kept their regen, the new versions didnt have regen.

Pretty sure thats how it went down :P

Are you basing this on any source or just because you're "pretty sure that's how it went down?"

[Chrushev]

Are you basing this on any source or just because you're "pretty sure that's how it went down?"

Well, anyone posting something in 2001 on a random board is as credible as someone posting something in 2011 on a random board.

That being said, I am basing it off my memory, and I think most people would agree that if today you logged in to LIVE you would see Regen on Fungi Tunic that was looted pre nerf. Thats why they go for 80-250k (depending on server) on LIVE.

[baalzy]

Well, anyone posting something in 2001 on a random board is as credible as someone posting something in 2011 on a random board.

That being said, I am basing it off my memory, and I think most people would agree that if today you logged in to LIVE you would see Regen on Fungi Tunic still that was looted pre nerf. Thats why they go for 80-250k (depending on server) on LIVE.

Regen was never removed from the Fungi tunic.

It was removed at some point from the robe (looks like pre-july 2000, ignore my other posts as they're inaccurate). Also, the effect on the tunic is a passive worn effect while the robe was a clicky-buff.

There was a change made at some point in the drop rates, where the robe become the common drop and the tunic became the rare drop (originally tunic was common w/ the robe being rare). Not sure what the drop rate is like on P99 as whatever guilds are locking down Seb aren't posting anything about it on these boards and I haven't been trolling their guild sites to find out.

[Erati]

looks like i remembered wrong, but the robes that are currently dropping have a worn effect and apparently the original ones that dropped had a "fungal regrowth" click affect which is not the case here

[sero]

Well, anyone posting something in 2001 on a random board is as credible as someone posting something in 2011 on a random board.

That being said, I am basing it off my memory, and I think most people would agree that if today you logged in to LIVE you would see Regen on Fungi Tunic that was looted pre nerf. Thats why they go for 80-250k (depending on server) on LIVE.

Clearly, you have no idea what the hell you're talking about.

[Chrushev]

Clearly, you have no idea what the hell you're talking about.

What? Are you saying universally true statements that have been confirmed by others in this thread are false? Or what are you trying to say? I dont understand troll. Clear up your clearly written sentence please, Ill give you 2pp.

[Azzbad]

Fungi TUNIC always had fungal regrowth and it was never removed. This discussion may not be suited for those that did not know that.

[sero]

What? Are you saying universally true statements that have been confirmed by others in this thread are false? Or what are you trying to say? I dont understand troll. Clear up your clearly written sentence please, Ill give you 2pp.

Multiple people have already pointed out why you have no idea what you're talking about. For one, you seem to think that Fungi Tunic's worn effect was nerfed and that there's a "pre-nerf" version of it. Maybe the drop rate was nerfed. The worn effect wasn't.

[Mcbard]

Fungi TUNIC always had fungal regrowth and it was never removed. This discussion may not be suited for those that did not know that.

Uhh..

[Teeny]

http://replay.waybackmachine.org/200011200652/http://eq.castersrealm.com/viewarticle.asp?Article=1750

Abashi.. saying it never had the effect whatsoever.

If he was wrong, it was still definitely gone by June 00.


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This is the common drop off of the myconid spore king in Sebilis.

In fact, it is so common that you'll be banging your head on the wall after having it drop 8 times in a row, as I am.

All of the robes which are currently dropping do NOT have the Fungal Regrowth effect on them any longer, though there are still a few pre-nerf robes that remain in circulation which do.

Edited, Tue Feb 17 03:24:05 2004
Posted http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=2101

will the robe simply stop dropping w/the effect leaving all the pre-dropped robes to still have it, or will it be totally retro removed.

[Zeelot]

It's retro. That post is mistaken

[Azzbad]

It's retro. That post is mistaken

Link.

[kylok]

I believe that it is commonly understood that this item gets retro nerfed. I never saw a single one for sale, ever, on my server on live (cazic-thule). I'm fairly sure that if it wasn't these robes would be invaluable and would have been nerfed quickly (like fire pot binding). Alla shows the robe as having no regen - unless someone can produce a verifable screen shot of a "pre nerf" robe from a "post nerf" time stamp I think that this part of the discussion is over. The question at hand here is when does this robe lose the regen? Sometime between 6 weeks after Kunark and Mid Velious from all that I can gather on live. But the dev's don't have to make everything exactly the same as it was on live. What's wrong with letting monks have their fun with this funny robe anyway? We all know that as soon as it gets nerfed we're all going to be back down there farming tunics to replace them. IMO the devs should make the smart decision to just nerf the fungi stick and leave the robe as is until velious at least.

So I'll go ahead and request that a dev post their proposed nerf date for this thing and put an end to this discussion.

P.S. - for clarification, pre nerf fungi stick has clicky regen from inventory - post nerf is clicky only when worn. Fungi robe gets the regen retro nerfed off of it making it completely useless except for the cool green robe graphic. Fungi tunic was never changed. Hope that helps clear some stuff up - and if you really think I'm wrong, cite your source.

[Anger]

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=5491&postcount=12

According to this post, the Robe wasnt nerfed any time during Kunark. Anyone confirm this?

[baalzy]

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=5491&postcount=12

According to this post, the Robe wasnt nerfed any time during Kunark. Anyone confirm this?

I point you to this thread. Specifically Nilbogs immediate response to the OP.

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=31014

The main jist being this:

That timeline is old and incomplete.

But if you read Nilbogs comment at the bottom of the first page, you'll see that the devs have got their hands on evidence for when the Robe was nerfed in live.

My money is on them nerfing it in a patch sometime in mid-late June.

So, if you do manage to get your hands on one or can buy one for a reasonable amount (5k considering it is dropping as the common off a mob that is farmed 24/7) it would be worth it, can get a lot of level in with that thing between now and then on a twink.

[kylok]

Not quite sure whether hes farmed 24/7... and the king doesn't spawn that often. My guild was there for about 2 days and got 9 spawns - not the most fruitful camp. I'd think a more realistic amount would be 10k+.. I've seen people happy to pay more then 20k, but that's a bit ridiculous. But again, you have to think of what is takes to hold that camp for any extended period of time and factor in that rarity of the king.

[tristantio]

There was not a post announcing the date of TD Firepot bind nerf (although many assumed a week after release, which it was) - why would there be an announced date for this item nerf?

Also I cannot imagine paying 20k for an item that would be nerfed in a few months, seems like you could get power leveled for cheaper (or just buy the class of your choice at a mid-level for that).

[moklianne]

I believe that it is commonly understood that this item gets retro nerfed. I never saw a single one for sale, ever, on my server on live (cazic-thule). I'm fairly sure that if it wasn't these robes would be invaluable and would have been nerfed quickly (like fire pot binding). Alla shows the robe as having no regen - unless someone can produce a verifable screen shot of a "pre nerf" robe from a "post nerf" time stamp I think that this part of the discussion is over. The question at hand here is when does this robe lose the regen? Sometime between 6 weeks after Kunark and Mid Velious from all that I can gather on live. But the dev's don't have to make everything exactly the same as it was on live. What's wrong with letting monks have their fun with this funny robe anyway? We all know that as soon as it gets nerfed we're all going to be back down there farming tunics to replace them. IMO the devs should make the smart decision to just nerf the fungi stick and leave the robe as is until velious at least.

So I'll go ahead and request that a dev post their proposed nerf date for this thing and put an end to this discussion.

P.S. - for clarification, pre nerf fungi stick has clicky regen from inventory - post nerf is clicky only when worn. Fungi robe gets the regen retro nerfed off of it making it completely useless except for the cool green robe graphic. Fungi tunic was never changed. Hope that helps clear some stuff up - and if you really think I'm wrong, cite your source.

This is how I recall it for the robe of living fungus. I cannot comment on the other items. I owned the robe after it was nerfed because they were basically being given away and being a Druid that liked robes (but can't wear many) this was a decent looking one.

I too, have never ever seen the robe for sale after the nerf. In these early days, they did occasional ninja-nerfs. Maybe someone can search the soe forums from that long ago?

[kylok]

The only reason I can see for a dev posting a nerf date for this would be to end this discussion. Personally I could care less and I'm a monk =P.

Also - people have been paying insane amounts of money for moss covered twigs which become equally useless in anywhere from a few weeks to a few months - an item is worth what someone will pay for it. You might change your mind about the value of a Robe of Living Fungus if you sat at king for 16 hours + to get everyone in your group one, let alone anything else that he drops.

What makes me most sad about this nerf is that I'm going to lose my cool green robe graphic to the weak blue chainmail graphic. The value of these items is in the regen not any of the other crap on them. If the item had nothing but regen and went in chest slot people would still wear it over other chest pieces with stats.

I can understand changing the rarity of the loot table and nerfing the uber stick. But why take the regen off the robe? Why not just make it his uncommon drop and have the fungi tunic be his common drop? This nerf has baffled me from day one - and from all of my brooding and pondering over the years I could only imagine that the devs would nerf it on this server because it was nerfed on live... and thats classic.

[stonebeard22]

I would like to see a GM post as well. I for one, am like the few other of letting the robe keep its regen, it's not game breaking, and only really helps monks out. And makes a couple less people want a fungi tunic.

But if they did that the server wouldn't be accurate now would it? We can all wish!

[kylok]

I wouldn't give up on hope.. not everything on this server is 100% classic. All of the raid encounters are on different spawn timers then they were on live.. except maybe VS. There was that GM event before kunark where people randomly got manastones, guises, mistwalkers... theres always hope.

[stonebeard22]

True. Our GM staff is WAY better than Sonys.

[kylok]

Looking at the tunic vs the robe, I could only imagine a monk wearing the robe over the tunic unless you're wild about the green robe graphic. Tunic has twice the AC and -10 dex/agi doesn't mean much to most anyone except warriors, rogues, rangers, maybe monks... and we all know that we'll put up with it for the regen if we have to.

I'm very interested to see what decision the dev's make on this one.

[Loke]

I love Abashi's responses lol. Seriously? How could no one there be aware of a nerf, much less be completely oblivious the the fact the robe ever had a regen effect. Just, wow haha.

[nilbog]

select count(*) from items

62496

Some of that item total is post classic.. but the point remains. There are a LOT of items. I'd imagine at the time they were dealing with a fresh Kunark release and problems from the biggest, most(?) exploitable game in 2000.

I'd say someone could easily .. update items set (fungal regrowth) where name like %fungi%, and be completely oblivious to the consequences.

That's really dumb, but possible.

[kylok]

That makes me wanna cry, if that robe was never inteded to have regen. But then again - we can't verify that any more then the nerf date =D

[Pokeman]

The only reason not to nerf it is greed.

I'd love to be able to camp a manastone but thats just not how the game works.

[Attos]

I'd say nerf, but not retro and do it soon. I'm a fan of seeing the rare hard to find items going around - simply for nostalgia. Also, I don't think any of the players knew when it was gonna drop in classic, so if that's what we're trying to emulate here I don't think it makes sense to tweet the deets. Just my 2cp.

[Holey]

I'd say nerf, but not retro and do it soon. I'm a fan of seeing the rare hard to find items going around - simply for nostalgia. Also, I don't think any of the players knew when it was gonna drop in classic, so if that's what we're trying to emulate here I don't think it makes sense to tweet the deets. Just my 2cp.

make it like manastone :D

[EkireiTheNecro]

The moral here!?!?

I WOULD SUGGEST YOU STOP PAYING 50-100K FOR FUNGI ROBES.

[EkireiTheNecro]

Regen was never removed from the Fungi tunic.

It was removed at some point from the robe (looks like pre-july 2000, ignore my other posts as they're inaccurate). Also, the effect on the tunic is a passive worn effect while the robe was a clicky-buff.

There was a change made at some point in the drop rates, where the robe become the common drop and the tunic became the rare drop (originally tunic was common w/ the robe being rare). Not sure what the drop rate is like on P99 as whatever guilds are locking down Seb aren't posting anything about it on these boards and I haven't been trolling their guild sites to find out.


I'm gonna guess the Tunic is the common right now, as the Robes are selling in EC for 50-100k.

So the 2 poopsock guilds will farm dozens of them so nobody else can have them, then move on when the drop rate gets nerfed. And it gets nerfed **HARD**

Expect 12+ hour camps to get a SINGLE tunic once it's nerfed.

[EkireiTheNecro]

There was not a post announcing the date of TD Firepot bind nerf (although many assumed a week after release, which it was) - why would there be an announced date for this item nerf?

Also I cannot imagine paying 20k for an item that would be nerfed in a few months, seems like you could get power leveled for cheaper (or just buy the class of your choice at a mid-level for that).

Sadly lots of people on this server have absurd amounts of money to throw around.

I've seen several people buying them for 50k+ in EC.

[sero]

I don't get why there is still confusion

-nilbog clearly stated the robe was nerfed by June of 2000
-Kunark came out at the end of April 2000

Do the math.

[sero]

and please direct me to these people buying them for 50k, because i got offered two of them today while minding my own business in FoB for 15k obo in /tells I didn't even auction that I was wtb that shit

[Enderenter]

and please direct me to these people buying them for 50k, because i got offered two of them today while minding my own business in FoB for 15k obo in /tells I didn't even auction that I was wtb that shit

What he meant was, the people who bought them for 50k are now trying to dump them for 15 before the nerf, after which they plummet to <1k.

:D

[stonebeard22]

Funny how everyone is freaking out about prices, when the THING you want pre-nerf from this camp is the Staff.

[Ajax]

So is it Retro nerfed or just the new robes?

[Jolrak]

So is it Retro nerfed or just the new robes?

Read the thread...its retro

[roger_that]

EVERYTHING doesn't have to be exact. IMO it's victimless to allow monks to have their regen. It doesn't really affect anything negatively at all to leave it how it is.

I never agreed with the original nerf in the first place and I'd bet if a poll were out the majority would agree.

EDIT: I'm a monk :P (NO BIAS THOUGH!)

[Mcbard]

EVERYTHING doesn't have to be exact. IMO it's victimless to allow monks to have their regen. It doesn't really affect anything negatively at all to leave it how it is.

I never agreed with the original nerf in the first place and I'd bet if a poll were out the majority would agree.

EDIT: I'm a monk :P (NO BIAS THOUGH!)

How exactly does this not negatively effect anything, in your opinion?

[Ruinous]

Yeah....

nilbog said it got nerfed early. and perhaps wasn't even ever supposed to have regen in the first place which would be indicative more of why it was nerfed and less that it was an "overpowered" item.

Never... never in the 10 years on Live have I seen a Fungi Robe "pre-nerf" with regen on it still. With how terribly common the shit is why wouldn't there have been at least SOME still floating around? It's not logical. Instead of "omg I'm a monk let us keep these robes" arguments, start searching for evidence and tug less on the heart strings of the devs for personal gain.

Comparing the robe to the tunic, it's hard to say it was simply overpowered. If it was a matter of dropping too frequently, the rate would have been nerfed. If however the item was never meant to have the effect, which I seem to faintly remember, it would be removed from past and present drops. Which they did. The end.

[moklianne]

If anyone wants to donate a post-nerf one to me, let me know. ;)

[Enderenter]

Never... never in the 10 years on Live have I seen a Fungi Robe "pre-nerf" with regen on it still. With how terribly common the shit is why wouldn't there have been at least SOME still floating around? It's not logical. Instead of "omg I'm a monk let us keep these robes" arguments, start searching for evidence and tug less on the heart strings of the devs for personal gain.

I don't think anyone is arguing that it wasn't a retroactive nerf on live. It was retroactive, and will be on this server.

Comparing the robe to the tunic, it's hard to say it was simply overpowered. If it was a matter of dropping too frequently, the rate would have been nerfed. If however the item was never meant to have the effect, which I seem to faintly remember, it would be removed from past and present drops. Which they did. The end.

The robe is basically a monk only item, and is arguably better for monks than Fungi Tunic. (You are basically losing 12 sta, 10 dex 10 agi 10 sv fire for 11 AC 2 str) That combined with how common the robe is due to this being virtually perma-camped for weeks and weeks (even now, to some extent) - by players wanting the pre-nerf Staff, (which is not retroactively nerfed) makes it a little OP. Just think, a few months from now, every 40+ (30+?) monk on the server could have one of these. I think it's a good thing it was nerfed. (Oh, and my favorite class is monk.)

If anyone wants to donate a post-nerf one to me, let me know. ;)

Got 500pp? Start saving :)

[Ruinous]

Just think, a few months from now, every 40+ (30+?) monk on the server could have one of these. I think it's a good thing it was nerfed. (Oh, and my favorite class is monk.)


Which rather indicates that it wasn't intended to have the effect since they didn't adjust the drop rate in a negative way and leave the effect in.

And yes, this thread is full of people asking to not nerf it or not retro-nerf it.

[Asher]

Never... never in the 10 years on Live have I seen a Fungi Robe "pre-nerf" with regen on it still. With how terribly common the shit is why wouldn't there have been at least SOME still floating around? It's not logical.

The problem was that it wasn't common it should be rare and the tunic should be common. This is a bug that has yet to be fixed on our server. I don't think when Kunark opened on live people beelined it for Sebilis and started pharming King. Once word got out when a couple dropped people probably complained it was overpowered and the Verant retro nerfed it.


Asher

[Ruinous]

The problem was that it wasn't common it should be rare and the tunic should be common. This is a bug that has yet to be fixed on our server. I don't think when Kunark opened on live people beelined it for Sebilis and started pharming King. Once word got out when a couple dropped people probably complained it was overpowered and the Verant retro nerfed it.


Asher

Complained that a robe with fungal regrowth is OP but the tunic is not? Lol. I guess you haven't bothered reading through the thread to understand the robe was ALLEGEDLY never intended to have the effect in the first place, and that it was a database error. Point being, it gets nerfed. And retro nerfed. People need to stop crying to keep this thing because that's not how it went down on live. Period.

[Enderenter]

The problem was that it wasn't common it should be rare and the tunic should be common. This is a bug that has yet to be fixed on our server. I don't think when Kunark opened on live people beelined it for Sebilis and started pharming King. Once word got out when a couple dropped people probably complained it was overpowered and the Verant retro nerfed it.


Asher

I don't understand your reasoning here. The tunic is more valuable because more classes can use it, and thus should be rarer.

On live, the Staff was rare drop, Tunic was uncommon and Robe was common. (which is how it is here - though the drop rates may be off a bit, I'm not sure on that one)

[baalzy]

/sigh

Theres been lots of posts about this already. Originally the Tunic was his common, the drop rates were changed on live. This server is reflecting current live, not timeline appropriate, drop rates.

Theres a post about it in the bugs forum with plenty of proof.