Ring 8 roll

[Tapped]

There was a bit of a controversy at the ring 8 roll tonight, and it seems a thread is needed to solidify and discuss the current time, and how it came to be.

Current roll time as I understand it: 9:30PM CST / 10:30PM EST
This is open for discussion; see below.

Now, as for how this time game to be,
The most recent quake occurred at 8:35PM CST. Knowing this, a group began to gather at the roll spot over an hour before the time of the quake the following day. At approximately 7:40PM CST, with 10-11 players present, and representing most major guilds, a brief discussion was had for when the do the roll. With no objections, it was tentatively set for 8PM CST.
[Mon Mar 04 19:39:22 2019] Jigawatt says, '9:00 est roll?'
[Mon Mar 04 19:39:34 2019] Maketails says, 'yea sure'
[Mon Mar 04 19:39:38 2019] Striider says, 'sure'
[Mon Mar 04 19:39:40 2019] Sssin says, 'sounds good'
[Mon Mar 04 19:39:45 2019] You say, 'Agreed.'
[Mon Mar 04 19:40:22 2019] Maidanez says, 'and if we find out it spawns much later we can adjust fire tomorrow'

The following day, we learn from the previous winner that pop did not occur for over two hours (10:05PM CST) and with 10-12 players present, another discussion was had about bumping back the time to something a bit more rational.
[Tue Mar 05 19:39:58 2019] Uaaeb says, 'anyone remember the name of the winner yesterday?'
[Tue Mar 05 19:40:25 2019] Maidanez says, 'jfontanez I think is how its spelled'
[Tue Mar 05 19:40:30 2019] You say, 'Not online atm. Jfontanez'
[Tue Mar 05 19:42:11 2019] You say, 'Looks like he's on Discord, though. Will inquire...'
[Tue Mar 05 19:44:33 2019] You say, 'Says pop was 10:05 PM CST, so 2h 20m'
[Tue Mar 05 19:48:18 2019] Uaaeb says, 'sorry was killing a mammoth - did we find out a time the pop happened'
[Tue Mar 05 19:48:39 2019] You say, '10:05 PM CST'
[Tue Mar 05 19:49:54 2019] You say, 'Initial thoughts? Roll 30 out? Maybe round down and call it 9:30 PM CST?'
[Tue Mar 05 19:54:59 2019] Uaaeb says, '930 CST seems fine '
[Tue Mar 05 19:55:05 2019] Gorrbash says, 'I wonder why the spawn was so far off of quack?'
[Tue Mar 05 19:55:11 2019] Gorrbash says, 'quake'
[Tue Mar 05 19:55:18 2019] Uaaeb says, 'earthquake took 2 hours for people to do the quest'
[Tue Mar 05 19:55:29 2019] Jigawatt says, 'still rolling at 9est?'
[Tue Mar 05 19:55:36 2019] Uaaeb says, 'no'
[Tue Mar 05 19:55:41 2019] Jigawatt says, 'or waiting till 11 est?'
[Tue Mar 05 19:55:53 2019] Uaaeb says, 'we were talkinga bout 930CST'
[Tue Mar 05 19:55:58 2019] You say, 'Being discussed. Last winner reports pop was 2hr later.'
[Tue Mar 05 19:56:01 2019] Seesor says, 'roll should still be at 9:00est'
[Tue Mar 05 19:56:03 2019] Jigawatt says, 'trigger pops at 11:06ish'
[Tue Mar 05 19:56:21 2019] Uaaeb says, 'we dont need a 2 hour window on the roll lol'
[Tue Mar 05 19:58:07 2019] Jigawatt says, '3 min to decide'
[Tue Mar 05 19:58:30 2019] Jigawatt says, 'im fine with 10:30 est'
[Tue Mar 05 19:59:00 2019] Uaaeb says, 'just to clarify the pop was 1106 EST right? got 2 different time zones people are talking in'
[Tue Mar 05 19:59:17 2019] You say, '10:30 PM EST seems reasonable enough to me.'
[Tue Mar 05 19:59:23 2019] Uaaeb says, 'kk'
[Tue Mar 05 19:59:31 2019] You say, 'Correct, 11:05 EST, 10:05 CST'
[Tue Mar 05 19:59:38 2019] Stabify says, 'so ring roll gonna be at 1030EST then?'
[Tue Mar 05 19:59:38 2019] Kharyzzar says, 'also down with 10:30 est fwiw'
[Tue Mar 05 19:59:54 2019] Stabzer says, '10:30est works for me'
[Tue Mar 05 19:59:57 2019] You say, 'Anyone oppose?'
[Tue Mar 05 20:00:02 2019] Jigawatt says, '9:30 cst / 1030 est'
[Tue Mar 05 20:00:24 2019] Seesor says, '9:30 cst / 10:30 est then'
[Tue Mar 05 20:00:32 2019] Stabify says, 'ok see you guys then'
[Tue Mar 05 20:00:34 2019] Uaaeb says, '1030 EST talk to yall soon :D'
[Tue Mar 05 20:00:52 2019] Gorrbash says, '10:30 sounds good, now everyone go ahead and log out =))'
[Tue Mar 05 20:01:26 2019] Kharyzzar says, 'cool beans'

This evening, though, as everyone began to log in ahead of the 9:30PM CST roll, another player had claimed they already won a roll that occurred back at the 8PM CST time. Another player showed up closer to the actual roll time, suggesting he had also taken part in the 8PM CST roll.

I was present for the first, second, and forth roll post-quake. The two players at the 8PM CST roll were not present for either of the two initial post-quake rolls, so it's easy to see where the confusion is coming from, so let's just open this up for discussion...



What time would y'all prefer the roll to be?
8PM CST, as originally decided on the first post-quake roll.
or 9:30PM CST, as decided after learning that the actual pop is not until at least 10:05PM CST?


Makes no difference to me. Hell, pick 8PM and I can go to sleep a little earlier!

[The]

~30 minutes prior seems more reasonable to me. This event doesn't take massive mobilization so having it more than that seems outlandish.

Thanks for making a thread on it. I have been hunting for this for a while lol.

[NotASmurfAct]

I just don't understand how someone wins a roll after quake and the next roll a few decide to move the time from the original win... but see ya tomorrow 930 CST

[Hideousclaw]

I think the roll happening 2 hours prior to pop is a bit dumb. I like it sticking to around an hour prior. Even that is a bit much

[Kelzar]

Make a player agreement to roll on pop like shady/angry goblin.
Make a clausule, as on angry, that rolling implies helping on the event, which for Ring 8 fight is a 5minutes 30seconds timed event.

That will:

a) Save hours of time from roll to Gloradin spawn.
b) Avoid people intentionally (or not) waiting to trigger Gloradin after she spawns, spacing the time from the roll to her spawns daily.
c) Remove the need of external help from guild/friends to finish the event, as the rollers will and must help you doing it, making the fight trivial considering the amount of people who assist to rolls.
d) Remove the daily increasing additional time to Gloradin spawn time as the turn in will be nearly instant as the repop time will be known and the kill force will be in place (rollers)

My 2cts.

[Tapped]

I just don't understand how someone wins a roll after quake and the next roll a few decide to move the time from the original win... but see ya tomorrow 930 CSTAs explained last night, the person who won the initial post-quake roll gave us pop time (see logs above) and we,
as a group
a group now (slightly) larger than the group that decided on the initial time
a group consisting of members from AM, Core, PS, Omni, Hispartans, and probably(?) more
a group that offered no objections

had a discussion prior to the follow-up 8PM CST roll, and determined it was worth moving the time forward. Folks from your own guild were present for each of these rolls, so the information was available to you. Unfortunately, it sounds like you were getting your time from someone who showed up for the first roll, and not the second (as I can confirm with my logs.)

Just a simple misunderstanding, and 1-2 "wasted" rolls on a few people's part. Sucks, but with as few people who are currently showing up to Ring 8, you'll have yours in no time.

Make a player agreement to roll on pop like shady/angry goblin and get rid of:

a) Hours of time from roll to Gloradin spawn.
b) People intentionally (or not) waiting to trigger Gloradin after she spawns, spacing the time from the roll to her spawns daily.

My 2cts.Because of the nature of this event, doing so would require also adding in the expectation that all people present for roll also assist with the event, similar to Scout roll. I am not vehemently opposed to this, but it is a MASSIVE change. Failing this, the spawn would get pushed back each and every cycle, as there is an absolute minimum of a 5 minute port+run time for people to get a kill crew in place.
Edit: didn't catch your edit. Looks like we are on the same page. I am fine with either method, personally.

[Hideousclaw]

Make a player agreement to roll on pop like shady/angry goblin.
Make a clausule, as on angry, that rolling implies helping on the event, which for Ring 8 fight is a 5minutes 30seconds timed event.

That will:

a) Save hours of time from roll to Gloradin spawn.
b) Avoid people intentionally (or not) waiting to trigger Gloradin after she spawns, spacing the time from the roll to her spawns daily.
c) Remove the need of external help from guild/friends to finish the event, as the rollers will and must help you doing it, making the fight trivial considering the amount of people who assist to rolls.
d) Remove the daily increasing additional time to Gloradin spawn time as the turn in will be nearly instant as the repop time will be known and the kill force will be in place (rollers)

My 2cts.

I like this even more.

[commongood]

Rolling 30 minutes prior to the spawn time of Gloradain seems ample time to recruit some friends / talk to those there to roll to get enough help. Last time I did it, it was half an hour - albeit a year or so ago.

[Kelzar]

Scout problem, is that today is 30 minutes. Tomorrow is 31 minutes. And next day can be 1 hour +, cuz the roll winner was left alone and had trouble finding friends, or just felt like stalling it was a funny thing to do, which is not new.

Then, you end with a roll 2 hours before the spawn (Not even gonna bring back the memories of march 2017, when the roll was around 6 hours before gloradin spawn...)

I personally dont random there much anymore, but the Pre-Rolls are an open box to break the system by people who is not even turning in themselves to Gloradin or just people stalling and not triggering her till way later than her spawn :(

[Swish2]

https://i.imgur.com/ihYUvrK.png

[Starix]

What is the roll time now?

[Wallicker]

Bump would also like this info

[busted]

bump. When is the rollski?

[ScottBerta]

Do it like Scout. Give everyone a fair chance. If you roll you assist with kill. Problem solved.

[FatherSioux]

Scout is a shining example of this servers future.

[Decidability]

Ring 8 drama today. Someone won the roll but let another player loot and turn-in quest. Happened today.

Both sides were under fierce "discussion"

[Swish2]

https://i.imgur.com/ihYUvrK.png

You only need more rules when people continue to not be nice or care about other players they play with.

The good deeds always go unnoticed.

[Swish2]

From today I can technically turn up with someone who wants to win a Ring 8 roll and give them double the opportunity. That isn't fair, or is it?

[planarity]

From today I can technically turn up with someone who wants to win a Ring 8 roll and give them double the opportunity. That isn't fair, or is it?

Do you have marching orders? Then yes it's completely fair. One roll per marching orders. The roll winner turns in their orders.

[NextToTheGods]

The winner of the roll turning in orders and then allowing someone to loot the head and final turn in has happened a ton of times in the past. It doesn’t allow for people to abuse the agreement at all since the character winning the roll has to be the one turning in the orders, however it does allow for the winner to decide where the ring ends up. I really don’t see the issue.

[NextToTheGods]

Also, this:

Make a player agreement to roll on pop like shady/angry goblin.
Make a clausule, as on angry, that rolling implies helping on the event, which for Ring 8 fight is a 5minutes 30seconds timed event.

That will:

a) Save hours of time from roll to Gloradin spawn.
b) Avoid people intentionally (or not) waiting to trigger Gloradin after she spawns, spacing the time from the roll to her spawns daily.
c) Remove the need of external help from guild/friends to finish the event, as the rollers will and must help you doing it, making the fight trivial considering the amount of people who assist to rolls.
d) Remove the daily increasing additional time to Gloradin spawn time as the turn in will be nearly instant as the repop time will be known and the kill force will be in place (rollers)

My 2cts.

[F51]

Ring 8 drama today. Someone won the roll but let another player loot and turn-in quest. Happened today.

Both sides were under fierce "discussion"

What is the ending? Scammers are punished by Llandris?

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=322304&page=2

[Meguvin]

Make a player agreement to roll on pop like shady/angry goblin.
Make a clausule, as on angry, that rolling implies helping on the event, which for Ring 8 fight is a 5minutes 30seconds timed event.

That will:

a) Save hours of time from roll to Gloradin spawn.
b) Avoid people intentionally (or not) waiting to trigger Gloradin after she spawns, spacing the time from the roll to her spawns daily.
c) Remove the need of external help from guild/friends to finish the event, as the rollers will and must help you doing it, making the fight trivial considering the amount of people who assist to rolls.
d) Remove the daily increasing additional time to Gloradin spawn time as the turn in will be nearly instant as the repop time will be known and the kill force will be in place (rollers)

My 2cts.

+1.

What will happen when an earthquake happens in europe time? will be roll keeps root at 9:30 EST?

[Pootle]

will be roll keeps root at 9:30 EST?

can you explain what you mean by this?

I would suggest if the event starts happening in Euro time then great for us euro people, it will give us a chance to get our ring8 without having to get up at 4am or whatever the time is.

[Meguvin]

can you explain what you mean by this?

I would suggest if the event starts happening in Euro time then great for us euro people, it will give us a chance to get our ring8 without having to get up at 4am or whatever the time is.

I hope so, but im not sure if that is going to happen.

[Crashking]

The winner of the roll turning in orders and then allowing someone to loot the head and final turn in has happened a ton of times in the past. It doesn’t allow for people to abuse the agreement at all since the character winning the roll has to be the one turning in the orders, however it does allow for the winner to decide where the ring ends up. I really don’t see the issue.

I love all the drama that manages to show up on these things. All I can say is the GM's should make a sticky post about the rules to the roll so this stuff stop coming up. I've seen info from all kinds of angles but under a petition ... GM's stated NO MQing. so if some pulls one off, its a report-able, suspend-able offense per the last information I received directly. While i can see that it shouldn't matter what happens after roll winner turns in orders -- this is just misinformation currently until we can convince the staff to change ruling.

I have a petition that is ages old here now, addressed to this highest authority, about this issue from way back... basically requesting the sticky post, since the word of mouth method about what the true player agreement is / was tends to vary.

[Pootle]

All I can say is the GM's should make a sticky post about the rules to the roll so this stuff stop coming up.

There is one - In this very forum section you are posting in (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=322531)

[DromalPhrenia]

so.... what time is ring roll now?