starting stats for new wood elf rogue

[wagorf]

I've gone through a number of threads on rogue races and starting stats. At the end, I think most agree that it's a safe bet to put them into str or sta, perhaps more so on sta because it's the hardest to raise through gears where as str is relatively easier.

Now question, if I plan to level the rogue to 60 and have him raid ready, is it a good idea to dump all starting stats into sta? At lvl 60, I believe 30 sta is projected to be around 100hp?

I am asking because wood elf starts with 65 str, and most likely after I finish gearing him, he will have stuff like ragebringer, full ss, +6 neck, hiero cloak, belt of great turtle, fingerbone hoop, etc, and end up having 175 str.

So 175 str, even after lvl 60 shaman buffs wont reach 255. Will that be a problem?

What am I missing here? I am sticking with wood elf for the look, so I will not consider other races like barbarian or halfing who have better starting stats.

[Tortok]

https://wiki.project1999.com/Game_Mechanics#Hitpoint_Calculation
30 Sta = 120 HPs for a rogue at level 60

[DinoTriz2]

I know the poop sockers will say STA, but 65 STR is a low starting point.

On my dwarf Rogue I think I capped out STR at level 60 or something...and every single piece of my gear had a high amount of STR on it.

Granted, he's not totally decked out in high-end raid items, but still..

I say pump that STR up a bit. It'll help as you level up to 60. You'll cap STR sooner and you can look to replace some STR gear with +HP items or something.

90% of the time you'll be attacking the mob, 10% getting hit. Invest in offense, imo

[Legidias]

All into str so you can put some more hp / res gear on at 60 instead of str gear. 0 hp = 0 dps.

[jolanar]

I have a wood elf rogue and I put everything into strength. I'll probably never do any serious raiding so having the strength seems way more impactful to me. If you are serious about the end game then sure go all stamina, but 99+% of the people who play here never make it to that point.

[Cecily]

I never regreted 25 STR / 5 STA on Cecily. I got her... decently geared in Velious stuff before my guild sold out to the ultra neckbeards and was just approaching overcapping STR. When you have too much str, you just refocus your priorities.

15 STR / 15 STA is a great compromise, Imo.


Best regards,

Cecily, #1 DPS wood elf assassin of Innoruuk.

[Jauna]

I went all stamina on my rogue and no regrets. even good leveling up gear has tons of str on it and im sitting at 184 without buffs but still only 151 sta

[Troxx]

As a wood elf I’d dump into strength. By 60 with raid buffs it’s unlikely that loading stamina start stats would be the deciding factor that saves you from a death.

Having pathetic starting strength on the other hand will make you that much less effective your entire time leveling. Str/Focus stack and high end gear fixes this in the long run but the road to 60 is long and even at 60 you won’t always have a pocket shaman to fully buff you.

[Rathnir]

So 175 str, even after lvl 60 shaman buffs wont reach 255. Will that be a problem?
Wait... what?

Focus is 67 strength, Maniacal Strength is 68, for a combined +135
VP hammer stacks with that for + 20
Potions (http://wiki.project1999.com/10_Dose_Greater_Potion_of_Purity) stack with that for another +25
Bards stack with all that.

Raid-rogues are #1 target of Avatar for the +100 attack to make backstabs hit. Which also comes with +100 str that stacks with focus and most of the other stuff. Loramin has a guide on Buff Lines (http://wiki.project1999.com/Buff_Lines) for strength stacking.

Even just Focus + Potion should put you at 175 + 67 + 25 = 267

If you were at like, negative 30 strength a Shaman could still max you out.

Sorry. Tanget. As to the original post/concern - Stamina much harder to buff, but there is a lot to be said for having high Str with resist gear on. Enough shammys and druids in the mid thru high game to keep you nice n toasty with strength. If a rogue having 120 more HP determines something, something else probably went bad.

[Nycon43]

I went with 15 str/15 sta.

[Evia]

As a 60 Wood Elf Rogue, Id vote all into STA. I can easily cap STR/DEX/AGI with shaman buffs but STA is always lagging behind. Pretty sure I had the recommended starting stat allocations that put points into agi/dex and I didn't even notice until I was in my 40s and I wasn't going to reroll over it. In hindsight Id go all STA as it's easy to fibd rogue str stuff, but 15/15 as others suggest doesn't sound terrible either.

[Cecily]

HP ain’t that big of a deal. With midnight mallets as a mechanic, you need to substitute challenge where you can. If 100 hp is going to save your life, you’re dead anyways. Dead to me at least. Dead!

I’ve lived through every raid encounter in the game besides ST (no key) as a 115 sta rogue with +5 at creation.

[Cecily]

Also, stats don’t matter in EQ. Befriend a shaman (or don’t. It doesn’t matter.)

[Troxx]

If 100 hp is going to save your life, you’re dead anyways.

[wagorf]

thanks - looks like 15str15sta is the way to go

[Cecily]

It’s a way to go. You literally can’t go wrong with any str/sta split.

[capco]

I made my Rogue while still clueless as to how the stats actually worked. I assumed Dex would be important for rogues, so I ended up dumping 20 into Dex and 10 into Strength, and that was after someone mentioned that rogues need strength.

Nothing but sadness ever since I found out that Dex is almost meaningless (around lvl 25). I wanted to reroll but I was encouraged not to. Being a Wood Elf rogue with 20 extra Dex did make a big difference -- a very negative one.

tl;dr Stay away from Dex, this isn't DnD.

[Cecily]

Get a primal and you’ll have a better chance to proc it. It’s actually a pretty smart way to go with a big if attached.

[Nagoya]

tl;dr Stay away from Dex, this isn't DnD.

another tl;dr for you: stats are pretty much irrelevent and your +20 DEX is super fine.

[Cecily]

I’d even say +20 Dex is a fashion choice like dark elf. Anyone gives you crap, tell ‘em you like procs. If they ask what procs you’re using, you tell ‘em you don’t have any procing weapons. This will paralyze their brain for a moment and teach you a valuable lesson on sowing confusion.

“Fucking rogues..”