Sarnak War Braids

[Bayleo]

So far I've turned in over 200 of the braids, and I'm still at threateningly. Everything I read on the net says this is as insane as it feels. So far I've grinded this quest for 12 straight hours, and I'm not even halfway there. My guise does not help my faction at all, and even with a friend helping me I'm only getting about 20 of these braids per hour.

[guineapig]

I'm guessing you probably aren't agnostic. What is your deity?

[Bayleo]

Quel, and yes, this has resulted in much hair pulling. I know that more than the average grind is required, I'm just checking to see if it is really THIS much. 12 hours and still KOS is insane.

[guineapig]

I was having similar problems getting my Shadowknight to be non-KoS to turn in goblin ears. Despite killing tons of gnolls and orcs in Highpass, even with wolf form I was still KoS due to having a deity. Sadly shadowknights can't be agnostic.

I'm sure somebody here will have an answer for you, until then free bump.

Good luck!

[Cars]

Quel, and yes, this has resulted in much hair pulling. I know that more than the average grind is required, I'm just checking to see if it is really THIS much. 12 hours and still KOS is insane.

It took a DE SK around 100 braids and days of killing sarnaks to get faction for OT hammer. I don't know what his deity was though and if it was faceless I am guessing it would be easier for him then others.

[Asher]

So far I've turned in over 200 of the braids, and I'm still at threateningly. Everything I read on the net says this is as insane as it feels. So far I've grinded this quest for 12 straight hours, and I'm not even halfway there. My guise does not help my faction at all, and even with a friend helping me I'm only getting about 20 of these braids per hour.

IMO, Berserkers are a lot more rare on this server than on live. I don't remember any caster sarnaks wandering on live. It should just be Knights and Berserkers. This is probably why.

IIRC, from Appre to Amiable it was 80 braids on live. If you are started KoS it will be a long climb.

Asher

[Daldaen]

Just did a run through OT tracking found 1 berzerker.

Killed waited 20min ran through again, only 1 berzerker again.

Is there only 1 spawn of them in zone or did I just come at a bad time wehn groups weren't clearing PHers.

[Bayleo]

Naw. That's the biggest part of the problem for me. Reading Allakazham, people are saying they pick up 40-50 braids per hour. Solo, I'm lucky to get 10 per hour, and with my brother healing me (we are both 52) I pick up maybe 20. Considering most of the PHs are shaman mobs with slow/dot/heals/nukes for 250, it's extremely brutal.

The 200+ braids I've gotten, to not get past threateningly, has actually equated to well over a thousand sarnak kills.

[nilbog]

I don't remember any caster sarnaks wandering on live. It should just be Knights and Berserkers. This is probably why.


Fixed, pending update

[Bayleo]

I hate to revisit this, but is it possible for this quest to be looked into? I'm up to well over 500 braids turned in, and I'm still not past apprehensive. At 20 braids per hour WITH help, this is, for lack of better words, bullsh*t.

"less than -801 -- scowls ready to attack
-800 to -501 -- glares threateningly
-500 to -101 -- dubious
-100 to -1 -- apprehensive
0 to 99 -- indifferent
100 to 499 -- amiable
500 to 749 -- kindly
750 to 1099 -- warmly
1100 or more -- ally

Turning in four sarnak war braids: +8 to Venril Sathir"

[Jupiler]

If Bayleo calculations are correct, then I have the same problem :

I did myself (SK DE) 20 turn ins (80 braids, should be 160 factions "points") and I'm still apprehensive.

Edit : more turning, updated numbers.

[Bayleo]

Other posts on the subject from 2000-2005, all from different posters:


"My 58 sk gnome did some faction raising here for his Worker Sledgemallet quest.

Sk started off as dubious. Took 24 warbraids to get to apprehensive, another 44 to reach indiff and yet another 44 to get to amiable. "

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"Troll beastlord worshiping CT it took 23 sets of braids to go from dubious to amiable."

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"I am an agnostic monk, and I was already viewed apprehensively at the outpost. I reached indifferent after thirteen turn-ins (fifty-two war braids). After another twelve turn-ins (forty-eight war braids), I became amiable."

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"I think I figured it was 10 quests for Indifferent to Amiable,
which is 100 points of faction, so 10 points +VS per 4 war braids"

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"When you have gathered 32 STACKS of whips (thats 128 total whips) you can get near the outpost in OT and drink your potion to become a darkelf and have "Apprehensive" base faction as that race."

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[Zakaton]

"Troll beastlord worshiping CT it took 23 sets of braids to go from dubious to amiable."

This sounds right. My Iksar BL on Live did 22 sets, using illusion DE, to get the Sledgemallet.

[Toehammer]

Other posts on the subject from 2000-2005, all from different posters:


"My 58 sk gnome did some faction raising here for his Worker Sledgemallet quest.

Sk started off as dubious. Took 24 warbraids to get to apprehensive, another 44 to reach indiff and yet another 44 to get to amiable. "

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"Troll beastlord worshiping CT it took 23 sets of braids to go from dubious to amiable."

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"I am an agnostic monk, and I was already viewed apprehensively at the outpost. I reached indifferent after thirteen turn-ins (fifty-two war braids). After another twelve turn-ins (forty-eight war braids), I became amiable."

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"I think I figured it was 10 quests for Indifferent to Amiable,
which is 100 points of faction, so 10 points +VS per 4 war braids"

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"When you have gathered 32 STACKS of whips (thats 128 total whips) you can get near the outpost in OT and drink your potion to become a darkelf and have "Apprehensive" base faction as that race."

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I have been doing this quest on and off since kunark opened. I killed in KC by mistake (had no idea), and dropped from normal troll cazic shaman faction (apprehensive maybe?) to dubious. I am now climbing out of dubious, but have turned in well over 100 braids, and have not hit apprehensive again. Can't even buy my spells... /sigh I think the numbers must be off for this quest.

[Uaellaen]

i have to agree, the hits per quest are not high enought ... i did this quite alot on live for various people and it never took this long to get the faction up ... usualy while leveling there and not specificaly hunting for braids you could get to indifferently + in a few hours ...

here i turned in ~50 braids and my faction didnt change ...

PS: f**k killing berserkers as a cleric ...

[Bayleo]

That was the impression I was under. That it wasn't a cakewalk, but it could be done in 1-2 decent grinds. So far it's been well over 30 hours of nonstop killing (I have killed so many of them that I've seen 6 of the earrings drop already, and those are RARE).

Still not even indiff. So I'm going to wait this out, as badly as I want that hammer.

[Haynar]

If Bayleo calculations are correct, then I have the same problem :

I did myself (SK DE) 20 turn ins (80 braids, should be 160 factions "points") and I'm still apprehensive.

Edit : more turning, updated numbers.
DE SK, should require turning in 72 braids, with no other VS faction hits.

Did it. Counted it. That is how it should be. If it is not, then it is not working correctly.

I cannot remember what it calculated out as before. I thought it was 4 faction points per braid, or 16 per turn in. That is from live. Maybe it was only 2 per braid. But DE SK should require 72 braids. That is what I know.

H

[Jupiler]

DE SK, should require turning in 72 braids, with no other VS faction hits.

Is this 72 braids from apprehensive to indifferent or from apprehensive to amiably ?

[Haynar]

Is this 72 braids from apprehensive to indifferent or from apprehensive to amiably ?
DE Sk, with no VS faction hits, should take 72 braids to be able to get the mallet. This is how live was, based on my experience of doing the quest.

I do not know how the server currently is written for that quest.

H

[Bayleo]

Had a troll shammy tell me it took him 200 braids to get from late apprehensive to amiable. Most "acceptable" race/diety combinations should be starting at apprehensive.

[Bayleo]

FINALLY got my hammer. It's significantly easier to get the braids now that the spawn is fixed, but the faction is still definitely screwed up. Took me 700+ braids total, took exactly 80 braids from indiff to amiable.

[Sirelk]

On a related note:

I already have my OT hammer, but noticed that after killing one dog in Karnor's that my faction was still amiable with Outpost npc's before the patch. When I logged in after the mid-day Sunday patch, I was conning indifferent.

Anyone else with amiable faction have this happen?

I was 2-3 braid turn-ins into amiable prior to all of this.

[Dantes]

Bump. I don't think these numbers are right, either that or they just don't work this way here on P99. I started at apprehensive as a Rallos Zek DE Warrior, I've turned in 108 braids so far. If the quotes from Kazam's about it being +8 faction for a turn-in are correct, and it's takes 100 faction points from apprehensive to indifferent, and another 100 from indifferent to amiable... I should have already hit amiable.

Haynar said it took 72 for a DE SK on live ... they start at apprehensive too, right? Maybe they're only giving 1 faction bump per braid instead of 2? If it took somebody 200 to get to amiable from apprehensive, that would make sense. It should have only taken around 100.

I hate to revisit this, but is it possible for this quest to be looked into? I'm up to well over 500 braids turned in, and I'm still not past apprehensive. At 20 braids per hour WITH help, this is, for lack of better words, bullsh*t.

"less than -801 -- scowls ready to attack
-800 to -501 -- glares threateningly
-500 to -101 -- dubious
-100 to -1 -- apprehensive
0 to 99 -- indifferent
100 to 499 -- amiable
500 to 749 -- kindly
750 to 1099 -- warmly
1100 or more -- ally

Turning in four sarnak war braids: +8 to Venril Sathir"

[Uthgaard]

The faction hits and tables are correct. There's some good information and some bad information floating around. I confirmed everything myself the hard way.

[Toehammer]

Yeah, although it has taken me over 300 braids to pierce apprehensive faction from dubious, I think Uthgaard might be right. That info might not be applicable here. Lots of quests/faction was made easier back in the day on live.

Still pissed about 300+ braids not being enough though. ;)

[shdwdrake8]

I've read through this thread a bunch of time and I struggle with believing its working as intended. If that faction table the OP listed is reliable, shouldn't the diff between apprensive-indiff be the same as indiff-amiable? And hearing someone say they went from indiff to amiable in 80 braids... I don't get it. I haven't kept track of how many I've turned in but its a lot and I'm still apprehensive. Any chance we can have some solid info on what it takes to do this on this server? Any insight on what ever tables are being used were determined to be the most accurate? Just want to be thrown a bone here.

Edit: lol I just got indifferent... Guess I care less now that I'm on the home stretch.

[Daddori]

Something is definetely wrong here.

SK, ogre, Cazic-Thule:

From I turned from Dubviously to Apprehensive, I have counted my turn ins. I have now turned in 4 braids, 31(!) times = 124 braids without going to Indifferently. It counts to 8 x 31 faction point = 248 points.

It doesnt make sence.

Hence, the reward cannot be 8 point per turn in. More like 1-2. This is definetely NOT as on LIVE.

Can someone clarify?

In advance thanks.

[Daddori]

As a side note, I'll love this quest/faction hit to be fixed.

Some are making fat pp (Puppy string) out of desperate people, who want to make the OT hammer and who really prefer to do the faction them selves. But as it is now, its just out of category :|

[Sundawg]

Besides one minor error with VenrilSathir faction I fixed a few months ago, everything is WAD.

If you are starting this quest from fresh into apprehensive , you have a longer row to hoe then another evil character fresh from the oasis docks. Also, don't assume any faction ranges posted in this thread by players are correct.

It is a long quest, longer if you hurt your VenrilSathir faction, and ridiculously long if your character is on the lawful/good side of the culture fence.

Yet, the reward is game changing for the character.

Move to resolved.