Made wrong Necro race, reroll question

[Atychiphobia]

Hi there!

I am currently a lvl 23 gnome necromancer. Knew from the start that Iksar was a better choice but because I was totally new to this game I got scared when reading about factions :D

I am totally fine of rerolling and even thinking of another class (possibly Cleric) that is more sought after at endgame.

So my question is should I continue leveling my necro to a point where I can farm plat and twink a new character and perhaps buy a Velium Crystal Staff or just start a new character without twinking it? When can I reliably farm around 10k plat for the staff?

Cheers!

[choppedandglued]

Hi there!

I am currently a lvl 23 gnome necromancer. Knew from the start that Iksar was a better choice but because I was totally new to this game I got scared when reading about factions :D

I am totally fine of rerolling and even thinking of another class (possibly Cleric) that is more sought after at endgame.

So my question is should I continue leveling my necro to a point where I can farm plat and twink a new character and perhaps buy a Velium Crystal Staff or just start a new character without twinking it? When can I reliably farm around 10k plat for the staff?

Cheers!

I don't think min max is that big of a deal. Prolly should just play what you want to. I think your gonna need to be around 34 to farm specters, so that will prolly take you longer than it did to hit 23. My main is a cleric, and I got into the game later, but im 57 now. I can say that your easy to level as a cleric with no gear. The thing is you will always need a group as a cleric. Unless you want to level painfully slow in comparison. The great thing is that everybody else you will be leveling with will like 9/10 times be an alt, so you get the benefit of their twinkness being a cleric. So its you and like 5 twinked out buds, your going to be fine. The best thing to do is make your way to EC tunnel and bum buffs, with that you can solo reds. Make some plat, and buy stuff you can afford. People sell items that go for 20 plat or less all the time. Just work your way up from there. Ever so often people will buy the HQ bear pelts, when they do just have a few backpacks worth, and make your load. I geared my cleric up pretty well doing that. Then just hit up various dungeons that drop stuff your cleric can actually use, and your gtg. Clerics can be kinda boring in late game though, so if your autistic and have to be pressing buttons the whole time, you might need to roll something else. I play in windowed mode and read articles in some groups due to their not taking damage.

Again, im not sure why you feel the need to min max? I have yet to be in a situation where it's been a huge thing. The only thing would be not rolling a iskar monk, cuz when you FD that extra regen I could see being a big thing. TBH I made a iskar necro, behing able to regen while you convert hps to mana is great. I can see why you would feel gimped. But, I don't think it would stop you from being a great necro. Bunch of ikky necros anyways.

[Doctor Jeff]

Necro is realistically just a noob class for farming up beginner gear for alts. Sure you can solo some big things, but nothing very interesting.

Being a gnome will slow down your efficiency, but it honestly doesn't matter that much.

Iksar regen is much different for a monk because monks are actually useful. I'd say keep your current necro and make your wall staring bot like you seem to want to.

That way you'll have two barely useful classes and you'll be able to grab rotting raid loot and farm up plat for starter gear when you decide to make a class that does something.

[choppedandglued]

Necro is realistically just a noob class for farming up beginner gear for alts. Sure you can solo some big things, but nothing very interesting.

Being a gnome will slow down your efficiency, but it honestly doesn't matter that much.

Iksar regen is much different for a monk because monks are actually useful. I'd say keep your current necro and make your wall staring bot like you seem to want to.

That way you'll have two barely useful classes and you'll be able to grab rotting raid loot and farm up plat for starter gear when you decide to make a class that does something.

How does a CLR not do something?

[Haghar]

Necro is realistically just a noob class for farming up beginner gear for alts. Sure you can solo some big things, but nothing very interesting.

Being a gnome will slow down your efficiency, but it honestly doesn't matter that much.

Iksar regen is much different for a monk because monks are actually useful. I'd say keep your current necro and make your wall staring bot like you seem to want to.

That way you'll have two barely useful classes and you'll be able to grab rotting raid loot and farm up plat for starter gear when you decide to make a class that does something.

Jesus you sound conceited.

[TheSurgeon]

Iksars should never have been allowed to be necromancers. It's just plain cheating. That said I play a non-Iksar necro and it's fine. Better to not be a part of the herd.

[Doctor Jeff]

How does a CLR not do something?

See “wall staring bot”

[Shodo]

If you want to try out cleric I wouldn't bother spending the time to twink it out with one of those staves, they're very easy to level up near-naked and without other gear you won't be melee'ing much past your teens anyway.

If you don't want to start from complete scratch, a smoldering brand and some banded mail goes a long way for maybe ~300p total and the armor can transfer to about half of the available classes. You can farm that in a few hours at your level - LFay sisters, OOT gargoyles/wood elves, paineel guards are all decent cash camps for that range.

[Doctor Jeff]

Iksars should never have been allowed to be necromancers. It's just plain cheating. That said I play a non-Iksar necro and it's fine. Better to not be a part of the herd.

It’s just a matter of downtime. Iksars experience far less by default. Choosing to be an iksar doesn’t make you a band wagoner, just makes you a lot more efficient.

[Atychiphobia]

Thanks a lot for all the answers!

Will most likely just reroll directly instead of wasting time then :D

I got the picture that if I was a non-iksar necro at 60 no one would want me, but I guess I was wrong about that =)

[Solist]

Race is irrelevant. Play what you want to look at.

[TheSurgeon]

It’s just a matter of downtime. Iksars experience far less by default. Choosing to be an iksar doesn’t make you a band wagoner, just makes you a lot more efficient.

That's a cute oversimplification and an inaccurate one. All caster downtime is related to mana, which all races deal with equally. Non-Iksars live on the edge of a knife, while Iksars get to chill in the sun.

[DMN]

That's a cute oversimplification and an inaccurate one. All caster downtime is related to mana, which all races deal with equally. Non-Iksars live on the edge of a knife, while Iksars get to chill in the sun.

He said that iksar suffer less downtime. That's neither an oversimplification nor inaccurate. Non iksar don't live on the edge of the knife, they just warm the ground with their ass longer.

[beltruckus]

Am I the only one that thinks Iksars look badass in robes?

[kent247]

yeah re roll.. you'll enjoy the new character and you wont have that "should've would've feeling the back of your mind"

[Irulan]

Ya, but how many camps can an iksar fully utilize their downtime enhancing regen at? like also, this requires a lot of effort to make use of, so if you are going to play an AFK necro where u make a kill every 40 minutes, being an iksar will just make leveling take 50% longer.

But if your going to sit there constantly killing mobs or feed a group mana iksar is better.

At the same time how fast can you really kill in a dungeon with an exp bonus, so a dark elf, with normal regen, killing 40% bonus will be leveling at the same speed as an iksar in the same tight spots with less spawns.

And if you group on your iksar, you will also only kill at the speed of the group, and that usually won't be improved much by your own regen.

[kjs86z]

Hi there!

I am currently a lvl 23 gnome necromancer. Knew from the start that Iksar was a better choice but because I was totally new to this game I got scared when reading about factions :D

I am totally fine of rerolling and even thinking of another class (possibly Cleric) that is more sought after at endgame.

So my question is should I continue leveling my necro to a point where I can farm plat and twink a new character and perhaps buy a Velium Crystal Staff or just start a new character without twinking it? When can I reliably farm around 10k plat for the staff?

Cheers!


I would re-roll to Iksar if you're going to be playing it to 60 and beyond.

Its good to have a couple of characters going. Your necro can be your solo / short time window choice and the cleric can be your grouping, more social option.

Both can be leveled in totally different zones / paths too.

No need to twink a cleric.

[TheSurgeon]

He said that iksar suffer less downtime. That's neither an oversimplification nor inaccurate. Non iksar don't live on the edge of the knife, they just warm the ground with their ass longer.

Where does the downtime come from? Is it common for necromancers to sit down to get their health back? Is that why they are warming the ground?

Hmmm.

Or does mana regeneration remain the same so that one necromancer has ample mana and ample life, while the other sits at 50% performing the same actions?

One is safer than the other, and that's about it. The speed between the races is the same, as mana is the limiting factor and not health.

[Quizlop]

Where does the downtime come from? Is it common for necromancers to sit down to get their health back? Is that why they are warming the ground?

Hmmm.

Or does mana regeneration remain the same so that one necromancer has ample mana and ample life, while the other sits at 50% performing the same actions?

One is safer than the other, and that's about it. The speed between the races is the same, as mana is the limiting factor and not health.

The difference is that a non-iksar will have to cast lifetaps more frequently, which are less mana-efficient than other damaging spells.

[TheSurgeon]

The difference is that a non-iksar will have to cast lifetaps more frequently, which are less mana-efficient than other damaging spells.

When you cast them at the same rate as an iksar you hover from 40-60% life, while the iksar is in the 80 and 90 percent. Staying topped means less mana, means you're safer at a cost of mana efficiency. However, you can play at the same rate while being lower on life and living on the edge. Almost like the edge of a knife. If someone wants the best raid battery, go Iksar. But, if you just want to farm gear/plat all races perform at the same rate, especially when charm comes into play. All but one just require you to play more carefully.

[Frudrura]

I would probably reroll the Necro instead of continuing it.

Some farms spots I think while leveling if you wanted to try to continue the Necro to make a few plat while you can right now... I made I think 3-4k doing Gargoyles in Ocean of Tears when I was leveling my Necro a long time ago. You can start around level 21? 22? I can't say for sure since it has been a while. I think I mostly agro/fear kited around the island, just be careful not to agro extra stuff if you can, but you have FD to prevent a potential death & xp loss.

The gargoyles drop Gargoyle eyes which vendor for almost 10pp per, you should be able to get at least 9pp. They are stackable, so even if you can't find someone to vendor with (iksar can't vendor in OOT I don't think, if you eventually come here as iksar), you can still just come with a bunch of bags and load up as much as you want.

Next best place I think are the treants in South Karana, maybe guards in some other spots not sure good luck.

[DMN]

When you cast them at the same rate as an iksar you hover from 40-60% life, while the iksar is in the 80 and 90 percent. Staying topped means less mana, means you're safer at a cost of mana efficiency. However, you can play at the same rate while being lower on life and living on the edge. Almost like the edge of a knife. If someone wants the best raid battery, go Iksar. But, if you just want to farm gear/plat all races perform at the same rate, especially when charm comes into play. All but one just require you to play more carefully.

What you are really saying is it's the option of the iksar if they so choose to sacrifice efficiency for safety-- but a non iskar can just as easily opt for the same safety at the cost of efficiency as well. So you once again end up with the iksar being more efficient, not necessarily safer.

[Rader]

Play your gnome. Necros are an awesome solo class, regardless of race. F the min max idiots.

[Rader]

Min maxers are basically retards who do not know how to play a very simple game and need to game their stats in order to survive

[Izmael]

Race is irrelevant. Play what you want to look at.

This ^

Also necro is largely a solo class. Perfect for farming HS for a month, make 100k pp and twink a melee character.

[TheSurgeon]

What you are really saying is it's the option of the iksar if they so choose to sacrifice efficiency for safety-- but a non iskar can just as easily opt for the same safety at the cost of efficiency as well. So you once again end up with the iksar being more efficient, not necessarily safer.

Efficiency can be measured in kills/per hour, or exp/per hour.

Kills/per hour is directly proportional to mana generation.

Iksar and non-iksar have the same mana generation, so their kills per hour and thus their efficiency are equal.

The difference at the lower levels is quite minimal, as the iksar regeneration and lich line of spells offset very little health and most solo leveling camps have significant downtime (making efficiency irrelevant), and once you get higher it means that while the Iksar is at 90% health with lich on, the non-iksar is at 50% health with lich on (In cases of root rotting). When charming both classes are at the same health, because Deflux (lifetap) is the method to kill a ~5% health broken charmed pet. All races kill at the same speed when it comes to charming. When root rotting comes into play Bond of Death (Dot Lifetap) will be cast by the non-iksar every other mob instead of one out of three. That's 60 extra mana the iksar has compared to the non-Iksar out of several minutes. This amount of mana is insignificant and negligible when it returns in 12 seconds of several minute long fights where you are sitting anyway. It has no relation to exp/per hour.

However, when you are dumping all of your mana into clerics in a raid, and then questioning every decision you've made in life that lead you to the stalest endgame role, Iksar is leaps and bounds ahead of all over races because to cast any lifetap is a waste and against the very reasons for being in the raid.

Verdict:

If you are going to raid you must be Iksar, or you're simply not efficient. If you're going to level and farm gear or platinum, you should have made an enchanter, but if you made a necro any race will do.

[MamaKan]

Play any race / class combination you want, don't listen to the nerds. I play a DE Necro and I can do everything an Iksar can. I just don't have the worst look in EQ.

Also you can farm sisters in OOT at level 24+, if you bind at the merchant on the island closer to freeport you can make some pretty decent money (its something like 15 or 20pp a kill). IIRC it nets you about 250pp an hour ? Been so long I might be wrong.

[MamaKan]

If you are going to raid you must be Iksar, or you're simply not efficient. If you're going to level and farm gear or platinum, you should have made an enchanter, but if you made a necro any race will do.

Or you can not be a noob and have https://wiki.project1999.com/Holgresh_Elder_Beads

Or even better you can play necro properly in raid and be part of the pull team and reroll a mage for feeding mana.

[Baylan295]

Anyone who thinks a necro is JUST a mana battery on a raid has clearly never pulled in ToV. Necros are just as important as monks in the pull game there.

[TheSurgeon]

Anyone who thinks a necro is JUST a mana battery on a raid has clearly never pulled in ToV. Necros are just as important as monks in the pull game there.

Either way, a snoozefest.

[Irulan]

Play any race / class combination you want, don't listen to the nerds. I play a DE Necro and I can do everything an Iksar can. I just don't have the worst look in EQ.

Also you can farm sisters in OOT at level 24+, if you bind at the merchant on the island closer to freeport you can make some pretty decent money (its something like 15 or 20pp a kill). IIRC it nets you about 250pp an hour ? Been so long I might be wrong.

Yep

[Kanuvan]

i see more iksar corpses than any other corpse, they really are not some god race people make them out to be, and god are they fugly

[DMN]

i see more iksar corpses than any other corpse, they really are not some god race people make them out to be, and god are they fugly

ssssays the sssoft sssskin.

[Kanuvan]

Min maxers are basically retards who do not know how to play a very simple game and need to game their stats in order to survive

lol pretty much

[aaezil]

Necro is realistically just a noob class for farming up beginner gear for alts. Sure you can solo some big things, but nothing very interesting.

Being a gnome will slow down your efficiency, but it honestly doesn't matter that much.

Iksar regen is much different for a monk because monks are actually useful. I'd say keep your current necro and make your wall staring bot like you seem to want to.

That way you'll have two barely useful classes and you'll be able to grab rotting raid loot and farm up plat for starter gear when you decide to make a class that does something.

This dude is just a red server noob who doesnt realize necro is one of the best end game raid mob pullers :o

[Irulan]

If you have a need to level faster than C1 regen, you have major issues you should see some psychiatrists. Tell them exactly what you know about necros and their regen rates. They can provide the best advice.

[Xilriz]

Having played a gnome necro on Live from kunark through GoD and ~300ish day's played i never once felt hindered by being a gnome vs iksar, in a group it just doesn't matter and being solo you mana regen should be high enough that your chain pulling anyways, i can't remember more than a handful of times that I had to sit and med for more a 20-30sec.