What Haste cloak/belt combination for RNG?

[Iksar_with_a_plan]

Looking for advice on what combination of two items I should equip on a Ranger in the back and waist slots. (must include one haste item) my budget isnt GRAND, but its enough to be able to afford decent stuff.

Cloak Choices
Cloak of Crystalline Watershttps://wiki.project1999.com/Cloak_of_Crystalline_Waters

Cloak of Flameshttps://wiki.project1999.com/Cloak_of_Flames

* Note that I do not think the 50 hp VS 50 mana is really worth the extra 20k to get a CoF, convince me otherwise, because Rangerscan also make use of the mana on CoCW. I probably wont go with a CoF but am including it just in case.

Lodizal Shell Shieldhttps://wiki.project1999.com/Lodizal_Shell_Shield

Hierophants Cloakhttps://wiki.project1999.com/Hierophant's_Cloak

Belt Choices
Spiked Seahorse Hide Belthttps://wiki.project1999.com/Spiked_Seahorse_Hide_Belt

Runed Bolster Belthttps://wiki.project1999.com/Runed_Bolster_Belt

Silken Cat Fur Girdle or White Wolf Hide Girdlehttps://wiki.project1999.com/Silken_Cat-fur_Girdle // https://wiki.project1999.com/White_Wolf-hide_Girdle

Brell's Girdlehttps://wiki.project1999.com/Brell's_Girdle

Spider Fur Belthttps://wiki.project1999.com/Spider_Fur_Belt

Thick Banded Belthttps://wiki.project1999.com/Thick_Banded_Belt

Matchless Dragonhide Belthttps://wiki.project1999.com/Matchless_Dragonhide_Belt

* Also Note that no, I cannot afford a belt of the great turtle
Which combination in your opinion is best for Ranger?

[Octopath]

I vote cocw and TBB. Very budget friendly combo for what you get.

[Iksar_with_a_plan]

I vote cocw and TBB. Very budget friendly combo for what you get.

Im not concerned about budget. I just want the overall best combination From the list I've provided* that gives a great top priority stat make-up/best improves leveling experience

[Solist]

Cloak of confusion and seahorse hide belt is best bet in that case.

[Iksar_with_a_plan]

Im not concerned about budget. I just want the overall best combination From the list I've provided* that gives a great top priority stat make-up/best improves leveling experience

But appreciate the response, will take your opinion into consideration

[Zipity]

Epics + heiro cloak + spider fur belt

Much better use of your money than the expensive haste items that add less haste than your epics will just sayin

[Cecily]

Definitely get Swiftwind offhand, if you’re high enough for it. I really like Lodi Shield as a back slot and RBG / Turtle belts favorites for waist.

[Jimjam]

Definitely get Swiftwind offhand, if you’re high enough for it. I really like Lodi Shield as a back slot and RBG / Turtle belts favorites for waist.

I didn't want to reply to the thread as my reply is outside the scope of the question, I find my ranger kicks sufficient ass with spider fur cloak and maelstrom cloak with swiftwind in offhand. The clicks haste cloak in inventory is great too.

Pretty much any combination in the OP is going to be roughly the same tier close as makes no difference.

[Cecily]

I actually wear the sky haste cloak on my ranger and refuse to upgrade it lol, because I’m too lazy to figure out how to bind open inventory slot to kick. I think. I remember having trouble with it and just settling on wearing it.

+1 on maelstrom cloak. That’s probably the best stat cloak for money. I don’t know the price on the... mammoth hide cloak (I think 10 str 10 sta) I made one day, but that’s pretty solid as well.

[Jimjam]

*meant to say spider fur belt and cloak of the maelstrom. I will be sending a letter of complaint to my editor.

It's a good shout to just wear the sky haste cloak. It opens an extra bag slot and has decent stats (especially if you can make up the hit to worn AC elsewhere).

[loramin]

because I’m too lazy to figure out how to bind open inventory slot to kick.

In case you (or anyone else) was wondering:


Open hotbar #2 (or #3 or #4; any you don't use) ... I think ALT + L opens hotbar #2, but #3 and #4 don't have a hotkey to open them unless you add one (ALT + O and then go to the keys tab)

Add kick to slot #1 (or whatever slot) on the hotbar you're not using

Do the same with an inventory slot (hold down left-mouse on it until it becomes a shortcut), but in slot #2

Open up the options (ALT + o) and go to the keybindings tab (again); this time go to the bindings for hotbar #2 (or #3 or #4). Set the same keybinding for slot #1 and slot #2

You can now press that keybinding to trigger both acitons

Profit!

[Jimjam]

Some UIs had the alt hotbars sabotaged. I believe you can set it up in a functional ui then switch back to something more classic.

[Iksar_with_a_plan]

Well, atleast ONE person answered my question correctly. It's alright, I dont think i've ever seen a thread here that doesnt veer off on some tangent.

I get how useful swiftwind is, but i'm not sure a lvl 1 twink Ranger can even EQUIP it let alone quest for it.

Im not interested in a cloak of the maelstrom.

Im not concerned with spending the least amount of money as possible.

But thanks for all your responses.

[Zabbix]

CoCW and Seahorse belt.

[Bardp1999]

I would buy Epic MQ

[Iksar_with_a_plan]

I would buy Epic MQ

it would be a bit tough at low levels, considering some of the items required (not just the stone) are no drop, and some parts require a certain level requirement to defeat lower priority targets. I've also never seen anyone advertise a full swiftwind MQ. But maybe? Also it would be a hell of a lot easier if swiftwind could be done without doing the parts for earthcaller during the epic timeline. Can you JUST do the swiftwind parts and say skip the part in The Hole which is solely for earthcaller?

I dont really see myself going for epic till late 40s.

[Wallicker]

Hey there,

Just go Cocw + Spider fur belt,

once you get epic on your own time then you can just sell the cloak and swap it for a Lodi shell shield /heiro

[Wickedbane]

Rbb and lodi

Or

Spider fur and CoCW

Or

Hiero and seahorse belt

Any combo of the choices your picking from are going to be a great combo.

[Cecily]

it would be a bit tough at low levels, considering some of the items required (not just the stone) are no drop, and some parts require a certain level requirement to defeat lower priority targets. I've also never seen anyone advertise a full swiftwind MQ. But maybe? Also it would be a hell of a lot easier if swiftwind could be done without doing the parts for earthcaller during the epic timeline. Can you JUST do the swiftwind parts and say skip the part in The Hole which is solely for earthcaller?

I dont really see myself going for epic till late 40s.

You can, however, you can’t equip epics on this server till 46. We werent sure what your level was. Honestly... if you’re talking level one, get a fungi, schw/fbss etc for haste (something lower end) and just level till 40s when you can start working on epic MQ. You’ll need a MQ of the VS piece and Sky sphere of colors, but yeah it’s totally doable. Think Hole might be necessary for SW, but asking for help works wonders and it’s a good way to make connections with higher level people.

Emphasis on fungi. Sky haste cloak, fungi, and epics are the holy trifecta for ranger leveling. Earthcaller is considerably more a pain in the butt, but SW is a fairly easy endgame haste item for you to obtain with about 30k or free with some guild support.

[Jimjam]

Well, atleast ONE person answered my question correctly. It's alright, I dont think i've ever seen a thread here that doesnt veer off on some tangent.

I get how useful swiftwind is, but i'm not sure a lvl 1 twink Ranger can even EQUIP it let alone quest for it.

Im not interested in a cloak of the maelstrom.

Im not concerned with spending the least amount of money as possible.

But thanks for all your responses.as mentioned earlier I held my breath on half topic response until tangent already started.


I'm sure you're aware vanilla was designed to be cleared with around 100 worn AC and 6/22 weapons. The idea that fine tuning near end game velious equipment for these levels would make any difference is a little implausible. With the wealth at your disposable you must be experienced enough to be aware of that.


Consequently, I think the reason so many people offered a 'next step' answer is because if you already can afford this equipment 1-46 is going to be trivial to you and as such what ever equipment you do choose is likely to be transitory. It is natural as such to consider the next step, which would almost certainly be epics and sky cloak.

The reason I suggest sitting on your plat and taking options that are 95% as good is not as a miser. You are going to hit 46 fast and when you do, you want to be sure you are the ranger that can leverage that earthcaller MQ first. Having to liquidate cloaks and belts to do so is not expedient.

[Cecily]

I don’t apologize for tangents. I’m trying to give the best answer possible with regards to the subject of how should I gear my ranger. The real answer to your question is it literally doesn’t matter. However you gear a ranger, excluding a fungi tunic, sky cloak, or epics, will not be noticed by anyone - yourself included.

Fungi is more important than haste. Make sure that’s covered.

[Dillusional]

Is CoF worth it for a ranger, when you can get get CoCW for 20k less? I think CoF is the better item but I think getting a CoCW for 20k less is a great way to go for a ranger. You'll level so fast with 36% haste and fungi, that you'll be able to get that swift wind before you know it. On some classes like monk and warrior, you will need to join a full blown raiding guild at 60 to get a better haste item than 36%. So the extra 20k for 50hp might be worth when your warrior or monk alt is going to wear that item for a very long time as their haste item. But ranger isn't one of those classes. Going with CoCW is a fine decision.

[Cecily]

I would think 36% is worthwhile if you plan on either taking a very long time to get to 46 or plan on getting to 46 in a very short period of time. This is assuming you plan to sell the cloak immediately after epic. 21/22% is my preference.

Something you should consider is that CoF is universally desirable. CoCW isn’t. This translates to harder to sell when you’re done with a CoCW.

[Doctor Jeff]

Cecily makes a good point that almost all of these types of posts seem to neglect.

You're not losing money by buying an item and replacing it later. If you're level 1 and buy a CoF or RBB or whatever twink item to speed your route to 46, it isn't wasted when you get there and want your epic. Items like that have retained their value for years and they aren't likely to decline given the insane number of alts rolled and twinked every day.

[Jimjam]

You're overlooking the lost 20% daily compound interest that you would have made on the value of those items by flipping like bergers in EC, DJ!

[biggame1717]

Since you are starting at level 1 and going from there, I'd say the best combo will be Spiked Seahorse Hide Belt and Heirophant's Cloak.

It's 2% less haste than the big cloaks, but you are getting 8 to all stats and a base 100 hp/mana. That alone is going to be very strong especially at the early levels on a hybrid.

Even after you get your epic, these will be very strong until you replace them with stronger raid items, if you plan to go that far.

[Sacer]

Items like that have retained their value for years and they aren't likely to decline given the insane number of alts rolled and twinked every day.

Meh, got my CoF not even 2 years ago when it was 75k, it's around 50k nowadays.

[Cecily]

It’s a risk you take with high value items, but CoF retained value better than most things on the server. AFAIK, it’s been 75-100k for most of my time here. I saw it dip to 60k last year and it rebounded to 75k pretty shortly after.

The fact you bought something 2 years ago and it retained 66% of its value is honestly pretty good. I coulda sold my Mrylokar Pants for 200k before Velious. *cries*

[enjchanter]

If it means anything, I went hiero + seahorse on my paladin

[Pint]

Seahorse + hiero or seahorse + maelstrom if you want to save a bit more pp

[Jimjam]

Seahorse + hiero or seahorse + maelstrom if you want to save a bit more pp

I believe OP is intending to rock the pimping wearing your wealth look. Wouldn't be seen dead in a maelstrom cloak (and rangers are often seen dead!)

[Iksar_with_a_plan]

So much "passive aggressive-ism" in this thread.

[Cecily]

Mostly from the OP!

[deezy]

Mostly from the OP!

[Jimjam]

So much "passive aggressive-ism" in this thread.

When one creates a thread with a question the OP can't really gatekeep the thread; sure it is important to get to a conclusion that gives a satisfactory answer to the question. Consider, though, it is also important to remember that this is a public forum and other young Rangers in similar, but not identical, circumstances might stumble upon the thread. With that in mind, it is courteous to consider the needs of these readers In addition to those of the OP, especially once the initial question has been answered.

Likewise, many people will have been in similar circumstances to the OP, and as such have experience of where those circumstances might lead. It is considerate of said posters to highlight these issues to the OP, even if these issues are outside the explicit scope of the original question.

I hope this explains why you might be feeling your thread isn't being treated entirely seriously; behind the veil of humour it does seem to me everyone participating in this particular thread has been trying to help you, even if that help has sometimes been received somewhat dismissively.

With all due respect I've tried to keep this post devoid of my usual playful sark in light of your previous objections.

[Troxx]

Sirens Grotto belt is just an all around great item; imo best value amongst the top tier tradable haste items. Good stats/saves and a strong 34% haste that gives you a functional performance rate within 1% of 36% worn haste for all times you don’t have strong enchanter haste to push you to 100%.

Remember also that at lower levels your total haste is capped:

1-30 haste capped at 50%
31-50 haste capped at 74%
51-54 haste capped at 84%
55-59 haste capped at 94%
60 haste capped at 100%

At 34% worn haste this means shaman celerity will put you at the haste cap until you dong 55. Until you hit lv 51 lower shaman alacrity haste will have you at haste cap. Functionally until you hit 60 any level appropriate good ench haste will have you at the cap.

Imo it is the best value. For the stats alone it is worth wearing.

[Cecily]

Stats aren’t that big a deal in EQ, haste is though. Seahorse belt looks deceptively good with all the numbers, but +4 core stats 25/25 1vsall makes no functional difference in reality.

That’s why CoF sells despite having pretty bad stats. 9agi / 9dex / 9 svf is not a selling point for anyone. 50 hp and 36% hp are why you’re buying it, the rest are just incidental numbers.

[Wallicker]

Stats aren’t that big a deal in EQ, haste is though. Seahorse belt looks deceptively good with all the numbers, but +4 core stats 25/25 1vsall makes no functional difference in reality.

Big Effin LOL to this! Guess tanks should stop asking shamans for str/sta/dex bc stats aren’t that big a deal lol!

[Cecily]

I remember myself as a new player being super excited about buying a serpentine bracer because it had a lot of stats, too.

[Wallicker]

Hmm so
4 str slightly increases dmg and average hit
4 dex slightly increases proc rate
4 sta gives roughly 20hp
4 wis will give roughly 20 mana

This shit adds up

[Legidias]

Increasing your DPS by 0.01 vs 34% overall increase makes the small str addition meaningless in comparison.

Obviously, its best to have both, but if you have to choose, haste > stats.

[Wallicker]

Go parse it I guarantee 4 str isn’t .01% increase what if I told you 6 str = 1% haste

[Cecily]

Hmm so
4 str slightly increases dmg and average hit
4 dex slightly increases proc rate
4 sta gives roughly 20hp
4 wis will give roughly 20 mana

This shit adds up

Lol. Tell me more about how this game works, 2018.

[Wallicker]

Your gonna easily max haste in a group with a shaman/ench but not stats until a later level, like you said it’s better to have both.

[Wallicker]

Not to mention if you’re twinking a ranger then you’re gonna want to tank and ranger will have no issue with holding aggro regardless. Really we arguing over an extremely small margin of gear and a difference in maybe 20k in gear for OPs ranger twink love it lol

[Lojik]

Lol. Tell me more about how this game works, 2018.

Not new year yet in Neriak?

[Cecily]

What.. what year is it?

[Ennewi]

Imagine if this community were as roleplay-centric as it is min/max. There would probably still be the same amount of petty squabbling and end game peacocking, but at least petitions would be more entertaining for staff to read.

[Troxx]

Belt has good enough stats to wear even if it had no haste.

34% vs 36% haste is a remarkably small difference. 1% difference in dps assuming you weren’t at the haste cap already.

That means instead of doing 50 dps you’d do 50.5 dps.

Wow ... totally worth the tens of thousands of pp in cost difference! (??)

Best absolute value for haste are the low hastes but you reach a point where it’s your weak spot to upgrade and sirens belt is a bargain compared to some of the others looking at the total package. Cloak of Flames? Sure it’s better but unless you’ve already got solid gear literally everywhere else and the best buyable weapons it’s not exactly a wise financial buy. Your cash is better spent elsewhere.

I’m honestly surprise the value of CoF hasn’t tanked more since this belt hit the market. It’s just not worth that much by comparison.

[Cecily]

Agreed with it being a waste. I think the smart thing to do is a 21 or 22% till the relatively easy epic. We’re talking about a ranger here, not a DPS class.

[Raev]

I'm sure you're aware vanilla was designed to be cleared with around 100 worn AC and 6/22 weapons. The idea that fine tuning near end game velious equipment for these levels would make any difference is a little implausible.

Exactly. Just get a fungi, 21%+ haste item, and some decent weapons. If you like the ranger at 46+ you can switch your focus to the Sky cloak, epics, HoT armor, flowers, and maybe some of the cheaper ToV loots (Nev's claw or something).

[Crede]

I’d go seahorse plus hiero cloak. Both items are stupid common and you can find someone who will dump them below market value. It’s a great combo that you can Xfer to any class that can wear em if ranger no longer needs.

[Troxx]

I’d go seahorse plus hiero cloak. Both items are stupid common

Yep, those two items (or heck even a cheaper cloak) is the cheapest win available.