Frontal Stun Immunity for Shaman Question

[Killval]

So my question is regarding the Ogre racial of Frontal Stun Immunity, I just want to clarify that I'm aware there are multiple things that can interrupt spell casting such as push, bash, fizzle, channeling skill etc... however, say you are an Ogre and a mob is on top of you, you start casting, the mob bashes from the front, obviously you will not receive the 1-2 second stun that goes along with if a bash hits you, but will you still always be interrupted? I mainly ask because a lot of people have said that the Ogre still can maintain casting even though they get hit via bash? Although every time I have tried this and got hit with bash it still interrupts my cast even though I do not receive the stun itself of course. If this is true, and you get interrupted regardless if you have frontal stun immunity, and just don't get stunned, then I believe this heavily mitigates the usefulness of Frontal Stun Immunity racial, for Shaman of course.

[Lojik]

I never played an ogre, but I am pretty sure that bash will not automatically interrupt a spell. If you're low level it's very likely that your channeling skill isn't very good and thus you're not getting the spell off, also push still takes effect on a bash unless you're corner casting. It seems to me like bash also has a little extra push versus a normal attack, but that is probably just some sort of observation bias on my part.

I'm also not sure how big the cone radius is for something to qualify for frontal stun? Maybe it's relatively small?

[Rathnir]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but the way I'm pretty sure it works is: Ogre's just don't check if bashes "stun" them or not. They only get the channeling check for being hit (the bash) instead of a down-right interruption. Backing into a corner means that they can almost always channel a spell (with appropriate skill level of channeling).

At least, this is my understanding.

FWIW, on my shaman the only time I regret not having FSI is trying to power level. 25 creatures hitting you when you want to Torpor, even in a corner, sucks. Soloing shaman stuff (Efreeti Djarnn, WW Dragons, Sebilis Crypt, A4 etc.) it's hardly make or break.

[loramin]

I believe this heavily mitigates the usefulness of Frontal Stun Immunity racial, for Shaman of course.

The usefulness of FSI comes from its relative usefulness to other racial abilities. In other words, it's not like FSI is some game-breaking power (although conversations about the best Shaman race often make it seem like it is) ... it's just that the other Shaman races at level 60 have less useful powers.

Barbarians get ... faction. Most other Shaman races could care less if good cities like them, and if they do care they can fix the faction by killing a bunch of low level mobs. Also Barbarians get less XP penalty than any other race ... which again at 60 is meaningless.

Trolls and Iksar get ... regeneration. With Torpor at level 60 I almost never even cast my regen spell anymore, because regeneration is virtually meaningless compared to Torpor.

So this is why FSI is so "good": it's actually useful at level 60, when you have Torpor, and the other racials aren't. But you have to understand that it's only good by comparison: it's not anywhere close to being a major game-breaking racial power, and you shouldn't expect it to be.

[Foxplay]

FSI is only good at 60 with torpor and solo tanking stuff over long fights

Over a 5 or 10+minute fight those 1 to 2 second stuns will add up. Not huge but since shamans chain cast constantly at 60 every second stunned it time not casting cannibalize, torpor, epic, or dots. This difference isn't going to make ogres be able to solo stuff that the other races wont be able to but it will speed up how many casts and spells they get off in a long fight

Prior to 60 as well as for not soloing iksar and troll Regen is a better racial. My shaman is an ogre and the whole path to 60 I had the feeling Regen would have been nicer

So it comes down to this... Do you want a small advantage all the time leveling and in groups? Go troll or iksar for Regen

Do you want easy faction or to be a barbarian? Go barbarian

Do you only care about end game shaman 60 soloing? Go ogre

[Killval]

Guys I'm not trying to have the 1,000th thread on Shamans on what race is best LOL. I just simply want to know if Ogre Shamans get an interrupted spell cast from a bash even though they do not get stunned.

[loramin]

Guys I'm not trying to have the 1,000th thread on Shamans on what race is best LOL. I just simply want to know if Ogre Shamans get an interrupted spell cast from a bash even though they do not get stunned.

It seems like you already know the answer:

Although every time I have tried this and got hit with bash it still interrupts my cast even though I do not receive the stun itself of course.

FSI prevents stuns, not damage (from bash or anything else), or being pushed, or anything else that can cause interrupts.

[Killval]

It seems like you already know the answer:



FSI prevents stuns, not damage (from bash or anything else), or being pushed, or anything else that can cause interrupts.

Yes, I know the answer from a level 25 or so Ogre however, I wasn't sure if this changed later down the line, due to channeling increases in skill or what have you.. so an Ogre will always have their casts interrupted no matter what if the bash lands even if they do not receive the stun? There's a lot of nuance to how these mechanics work many that most probably aren't familiar with such as push checks, spell channelling and how that coincides with the Ogre racial, if bash connects etc... so I asked the question for someone that is experienced in high end Shaman playing as an Ogre basically, that has first hand experience on getting hit with bash and having their cast interrupted.

[aaezil]

What you are describing gets worse at high levels since things will generally get more hits on you and push you faster

[Lojik]

For all practical purposes you can think of it as FSI reduces your chances of being interrupted if you're facing your target, even more so if you are corner casting.

Unless the mechanics have changed in 4 years an ogre CAN channel through a bash.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1903272&postcount=94

[Killval]

Yeah that's what I am trying to confirm, if an Ogre can indeed channel through a bash, or if it gets interrupted every time if the bash lands, I've heard completely conflicting things on various threads I've read of high end Ogre Shamans, a few have said that even with FSI you absolutely cannot channel through the bash, and that its only perk is not getting stunned for the 1-2 second duration, others have said the opposite so idk what info to take away lol?

[Arkanjil]

You absolutely can channel through the bash. When I play my ogre SK, I get bashed, and channel through most of them. The only thing that interrupts me is the push.

[Killval]

Ahhhh that pretty much confirms it then, but read this thread https://www.reddit.com/r/project1999/comments/4fawzq/questions_about_how_channeling_frontal_stun/

[Maschenny]

Is your spell bar still running? Yes? Your FSI has worked.

[Berendar]

Yeah that's what I am trying to confirm, if an Ogre can indeed channel through a bash, or if it gets interrupted every time if the bash lands, I've heard completely conflicting things on various threads I've read of high end Ogre Shamans, a few have said that even with FSI you absolutely cannot channel through the bash, and that its only perk is not getting stunned for the 1-2 second duration, others have said the opposite so idk what info to take away lol?

You can indeed channel through a successful bash.

[Jimjam]

An ogre won't channel through all bashes, a non ogre won't be interrupted by all bashes. You need to be more granular in your thinking.

An ogre will channel through more bashes than a non ogre though.

[fastboy21]

The usefulness of FSI comes from its relative usefulness to other racial abilities. In other words, it's not like FSI is some game-breaking power (although conversations about the best Shaman race often make it seem like it is) ... it's just that the other Shaman races at level 60 have less useful powers.

Barbarians get ... faction. Most other Shaman races could care less if good cities like them, and if they do care they can fix the faction by killing a bunch of low level mobs. Also Barbarians get less XP penalty than any other race ... which again at 60 is meaningless.

Trolls and Iksar get ... regeneration. With Torpor at level 60 I almost never even cast my regen spell anymore, because regeneration is virtually meaningless compared to Torpor.

So this is why FSI is so "good": it's actually useful at level 60, when you have Torpor, and the other racials aren't. But you have to understand that it's only good by comparison: it's not anywhere close to being a major game-breaking racial power, and you shouldn't expect it to be.

I agree, but I don't think this really addresses the OP's question about the mechanics of what FSI does against the variety of ways casting gets interrupted.

I've actually never really seen a thorough answer to it...its mostly anecdotal stuff like "i never get interrupted anyways as long as I pin myself in a corner" type of statements.

My only shaman on p99 is an ogre so I have no way of really knowing what troll/barb interrupts feel like...so I don't know either. I presume that I'm getting some extra benefit, but I definitely DO get interrupted from time to time pinned in a corner and I'm not entirely sure what the mechanics are that determine it precisely.

[loramin]

I agree, but I don't think this really addresses the OP's question

You're absolutely right, but I wasn't trying to address their question in that post, I was addressing the part of their post I quoted:

I believe this heavily mitigates the usefulness of Frontal Stun Immunity racial, for Shaman of course.

In other words, OP was saying "FSI isn't so useful if I can still get interrupted", and I was agreeing "yes, you're right: it's not that useful ... the whole idea of it being this incredibly useful power isn't because it is incredibly useful, it comes from the relative value of the power compared to the other Shaman racial powers ..."

But I also did address OP's original question shortly thereafter, when I pointed out that he had basically answered his own question already.

[Bardp1999]

the shit EQ nerds worry about will never cease to amaze me