Dwarf Rogue Starting Points...

[Martan]

I’ve decided on a Dwarf Rogue as I have never played a rogue before and they seem to be the most balanced of the class. My question is, where ought I put those pesky extra 30 starting points?

[GinnasP99]

I'd recommend all stamina tbh

[ScaringChildren]

I’ve decided on a Dwarf Rogue as I have never played a rogue before and they seem to be the most balanced of the class. My question is, where ought I put those pesky extra 30 starting points?

The typical answer is Stamina.

However, you could split points between STR and STA.

Or all STR.

You're not supposed to take damage, so screw Stamina.

[Crede]

Firstly, for a min/max standpoint you're best off making a Barbarian rogue if you're not picky on race due to their high str/sta.

Regardless, this is one of those topics that's endlessly debated. Some will tell you 25sta/5str to get that extra 80 hp at lvl 60 vs going 25 str/5 sta. Personally I'd still go 25str/5sta with any rogue race because the higher strength will make the leveling process more enjoyable and you will be able to hit max quicker and swap in other items like resist gear while still having tons of str.

[tsuchang]

strength determines how hard you hit
dex and agility how often you get hit and how often you hit.
stamina for more hp
Ya can't do anything about ugly

[ScaringChildren]

dex and agility how often you get hit and how often you hit.

I thought Dex only affected proc rates and combat skill ups?

Also, isn't Agility broken on the server?

[Jimjam]

Charisma. Gotta blag your way out of trouble and get the best possible price out of your marks and fence.

[Martan]

Regardless, this is one of those topics that's endlessly debated. Some will tell you 25sta/5str to get that extra 80 hp at lvl 60 vs going 25 str/5 sta. Personally I'd still go 25str/5sta with any rogue race because the higher strength will make the leveling process more enjoyable and you will be able to hit max quicker and swap in other items like resist gear while still having tons of str.

What is the point of putting 5 into sta? If it only means 80hps @ 60 how many less will it be for 5. Why not dex?

[Legidias]

Dex does nothing for you. You don't even want procs as a rogue cause itll take aggro.

You try finding out how much a free +80hp item would cost at 60 when fully geared out otherwise would cost >.>

[Martan]

Also, for assuming sake I only ever play this rogue to lvl 50 and never raid, then what?

[Legidias]

Then enjoy your rogue and don't worry about min max stats.

Im not trying to be mean, but if that's your only goal, you could stat dump into wis and it won't really matter. The starting stats helps you out if you're 100% fresh with no gear by giving a boost as you start playing. Once you're higher level, the initial stats only serve as a helping hand to gearing by allowing you to ignore certain items with stats in lieu of other things you are lacking.

(Also, Ive had situations where I've lived with sub-100 HP. That small amount of STA might actually save your life vs. a small bit of STR increasing your dps by 0.01)

[ScaringChildren]

Also, for assuming sake I only ever play this rogue to lvl 50 and never raid, then what?

All STR imo

[kjs86z]

Sounds like a good candidate for all STR.

[Cecily]

25 str / 5 sta on Cecily, a wood elf, worked out fantastically during my first year raiding while I was still gearing her up. My resist gear would ruin my str and higher str is just nice to have for general grouping.

[Scrumtick]

I thought Dex only affected proc rates and combat skill ups?

Also, isn't Agility broken on the server?

Correct on dexterity. Agility does grant minimal AC. Definitely go either all stamina or a mix of strength and stamina. Heads up, when you’re high level, strength is very easy to max.

[Jimjam]

Correct on dexterity. Agility does grant minimal AC. Definitely go either all stamina or a mix of strength and stamina. Heads up, when you’re high level, strength is very easy to max.

Rogues double dip on AGI, they get a small mitigation bonus linked to agi in addition to the usual avoidance.

Doesn't change the answer though.

Charisma for RP and selling.

[Hibbs]

Ya can't do anything about ugly

but isn't that was Mask of Deception is for??

[ldgo86]

Also, for assuming sake I only ever play this rogue to lvl 50 and never raid, then what?

Strength for pure levelling if you actually only bother going to 50. Stamina for levelling 50+ because if you end up raiding at all you will max strength easily enough without those extra base points.

[Tethler]

My barb rogue was hitting str cap with garbo gear in the 40s from shaman buffs. Rolled the rogue years ago so i don't remember my allocation. Str is great, but when you have buffs, they become wasted pts. Either way, doesn't matter much in the grand scheme.

[tsuchang]

I'd put a few into the barrel roll. That is one of the best parts of a dwarfie.

[Muggens]

Str because resist gear is my experience (60 rog)

[beargryllz]

Rogues aren't tanks

Put everything in STR

[Jimjam]

What is people's experience of buff line ups at 60 for raid rogues?

Obviously it depends on the specific fight, examples would be grand.

[Cecily]

Junk junk junk

This will more or less work on everything.

See invisible or Levi or SoW or Illusion: High Elf
10th ring
Grim Aura / SoN
Sta
Focus
Hero/PotG or Aego
Symbol if no Aego
VoG
CoTP
Resists
Avatar

Idea is to keep really important or hard to get stuff deeper as a rule just because dispels exist. Be in the habit of that regardless of what you fight. Cleric HP, haste, CoTP, resists, haste, and haste are very hard to get rebuffed during a fight.

In reality, the only buff that matters is your haste buff. Make sure that’s well protected or you’re not doing your job.

[Nirgon]

You know how to talk to a man I gotta tell ya

Wooooh

[icedwards]

You won't have any problem hitting the strength cap if you roll either barbarian or dwarf, and as long as you're semi-conscious while hitting your backstab hotkey no one will care about your dps while leveling. Sink those starter points into STA and don't look back.