Wiz/War hybrid

[carneadeasy]

just wanted to know if anyone had ever thought about it. tank class. add a line of quick cast rune spells and a few quick cast PB AE and DD, theyd get the self only high elemental resist buffs, all the gates, and only a few TLs in later lvls, but no ports (maybe evac). plate armor. 1h only (no 2h). taunt. double attack. bash. Maybe 1hs only or something restrictive like that. only the races that can be both wiz and war- human, dark elf and gnome. or maybe allow other squishies like high elf and erudite.

There are two wis hybrids, always felt like there should be two int hybrids as well.

just spitballin' here

[Legidias]

So, a bard with self TP and better melee.

[Muggens]

I want a wizard rogue

[Pyrion]

If we go that route, i would rather have a warrior/enchanter hybrid. That would be really new and exciting.

[Legidias]

So, a bard

[carneadeasy]

I fail to see any similarity between a bard and the hybrid tank class described.

Bards sing songs.

Bards arent tanks.

Bards dont have Wizard spells.

Bards track.

Bards pick locks.

Bards CC and charm.

Bard dual weilds.

Bards mana battery.

The comparison is based on what? Plate armor?

[carneadeasy]

Pyrion I agree with you that the War/Enc hybrid would also be awesome. Keep the short cast rune spells. Add short term CC ability. self haste. Maybe a slow? They would be the best tanks if they had a slow :)

[Legidias]

Lets tick off the things:

Bards can:

Tank
Rune
PB AE
DD
High elemental resist buff
Can gate (mobs)
Plate armor
1h only (no 2h)
Taunt (selos consonant chain song is best aggro in game)

So yes, add in better melee and its exactly what you described. (Plus bonus track and CC)

Also:

Pyrion I agree with you that the War/Enc hybrid would also be awesome. Keep the short cast rune spells. Add short term CC ability. self haste. Maybe a slow? They would be the best tanks if they had a slow :)

Again, bard.

[carneadeasy]

No it is not at all what is described. Half warrior means warrior defense. AC boost. Taunt means taunt. Fast cast means it dd and pb ae can be used while melee to hold aggro. hi elememtal BUFF cant be stunned off. Quick cast rune means less healing. Im just not sure you understand how huge these differences are. Bards can do what most classes can do, just limited. No matter what class was posted, a person can say "So, a bard" but its really not relevant. Not talking a jack of all trades, talking about a hybrid tank class like pally and sk.

[Troxx]

Stupid thread created by stubborn OP.

So, a bard

This.

[Legidias]

Which is a bard.

You get AC boost with songs.

Actual aggro building and quick cast aggro is better than taunt as you won't lose aggro to, say, a rogue (taunt only puts you at top of aggro list +1, selo's consonant chain even single cast locks aggro even on raid targets). Bard is already the only class that can AE tank with AE slow song, or AE stun DoT if you dont care about mezzing for some reason.

Unless you're getting stunned for like 10 seconds straight, any fight needing elemental resist wont fall off since it lasts 18 seconds.

Quick cast rune is there on bards, but really a quick cast rune with any substantial HP shield is just stupid OP on melee. Look at bladestoppers for example. Making that a baseline spell on a melee is just terrible balance unless the melee has literally no hp.

I'm not sure you understand how huge these similarities are.

Bards can do everything you're describing, plus more.

Specifically to what you posted, I can say "So ,a bard" because its relevant to every single tick point you made

I'm talking a jack of all trades, but when played right is fine as a hybrid tank like pally and sk.

[carneadeasy]

haha just wrong

[Legidias]

So try to rebut some points. I literally pointed at every single thing you said, and made a clear arguement for bard.

Thanks for trying to troll, it was amusing.

[carneadeasy]

A bard is not a half wizard, half warrior hybrid. The features of both classes, namely WIZARD DD spells/gates and taunt skill/melee damage/durability are not present in a bard.

I am glad you like the bard class, but trying to say that what i was describing is already a class is, just true.

And sure, it was a stupid thread. But you made it worse Legidias. I would have preferred to hear more of what other people were saying.

/shrug

[carneadeasy]

not true /blush

[Danth]

Sounds like he's envisioning something more like the Thane from Dark Age of Camelot. Bard does some of the things listed in the original post, but doesn't have the high burst that'd be characteristic of a wizard-based hybrid. Ranger might come closer, especially if you're picky about equipment (stick to plate graphics) and count abilities gained from click effects.

That being said, the Bard in EQ is defined as a hybrid within the game's own systems--note it carried the same 40% experience penalty as the other hybrids. Hence the game already has two INT-based hybrids if you want to split hairs.

Danth

[carneadeasy]

Yea the thane would be similar or just any fighter/mage d&d clone- you are totally right that bard is listed hybrid and it is INT based- I fogot that- the other hybrids do get the casters line of spells, and the whole point of being half wiz would be DDs (like draughts) and gate spells/TLs plus a rune line for survivability, in sddition to warrior's defense andsome decent melee damage.

Ive played a bard. I dont think what is being described would play the same nor fill the same role in groups/raids/solo.

[Legidias]

Meh, I presented all the facts and you are simply choosing not to believe them.

Bards also get a big, mana heavy DD nuke so thats another +1 for the wiz hybrid.

Rangers don't get gate or portal as a druid hybrid, so why would a wiz hybrid get them?

Durability is fine, bards can raid tank basically everything except for big end game dragons / city leaders.

Runes I already explained. Any rune of significant damage absorption is stupid OP on melee unless their base HP is nil (and bards have rune songs).

(Others were also agreeing with me if thats what you cared about).


Real talk though, a wizard hybrid would be interesting as a class that buffs itself for procs, which act like nukes. Make it have less melee damage, like a bard's melee table (take away double attack). Like imbuing a DD nuke into your weapon.

[Tethler]

Need 2 tanks in group so I can afk for 50% of pulls like the wizard half of me requires.

[carneadeasy]

Legidas, RE: your last statement. I think thats cool. i think they added quite a few of such spells for paladins on Live to balance their output. could do the same with the rune spells? I dont think they would need to be a lot of hp, the dmg absorb could be low and proc off weapon. dont think it would be op. maybe it could just absorb spell dmg for balancing.

I just wanted to open a convo about other classes. wiz/rog was a comment there. wonder how that would work.its a common enough fantasy class type.

they are theorhetical classes after all, the gates for this hybrid would just be a bonus. still couldnt bind.

[carneadeasy]

lol tethler

[Troxx]

Between ranger (half warrior half Druid ... ie on demand nukes) and Bard (weird amalgamation of melee/enchanter/other) - yeah the bases are already covered. A plate tank who could nuke harder than a ranger and self port would be stupidly overpowered and pointless. If rangers don’t get self ports as a half Druid hybrid, a half wizard wouldn’t either.

[carneadeasy]

Thanks for your contributions Troxx. lol.

[Troxx]

Thanks for the amazing thread carneadeasy!

[carneadeasy]

It was your thoughts that made it great Troxx, thanks.

[Tuurin]

Don't we have enough red-headed stepchild hybrid classes already? Your warrior/wizard combo would just be another class that's probably fun to play(twink) for a while but utterly useless raiding so would never be rolled on p99.

[carneadeasy]

yea fun to play was what I thought. suppose it would take a lot of balancing to make useful on raids outside of tanking.

[Ravager]

Be a GM, then you can do whateverthefuck.

[Busher]

Please, NO

[White_knight]

Don't we have enough red-headed stepchild hybrid classes already? Your warrior/wizard combo would just be another class that's probably fun to play(twink) for a while but utterly useless raiding so would never be rolled on p99.

Dis whats wrong with p99.

A war/wiz combo would be interesting to play as a sort of burst type caster melee hybrid I guess. Like someone mentioned before it sounds like a Thane from DAoC (though they used lightning based spells only).

I think you'd have to limit the spells on the war/wiz combo as giving them aoe snares and aoe's would be a bit op? I could imagine people would blending their gear/stats more towards the wizard side for such things.

Also like others have said: ports would be a no, no.

Now what you truely want and what OP probably means is..a warrior with fire spells only. Perhaps a long CD fire based harm touch, with fire based ds, a rune, self hp, a fire dot, a fire bolt, a fire dd and can ONLY use a 2hander, be int based races only (dark elves, humans, gnomes).

They get the gate ability but they dont get channeling so cant gate with mobs attacking them and all they spells are instants with various CDs and mana based.

3/4 warrior similar to hybrids, perhaps a bit more dps. No defensive, perhaps a limited evasive (half duration)

[ScaringChildren]

I want a Warrior/Rogue hybrid

[Legidias]

Wouldn't that just be a 60 war with precision on?

[Deth24]

I think a Ranger/Necro or a Rogue/Necro (still use a bow) would be a great class idea. Like a Dark Ranger or Shadow Assassin type