Can you lose camp going to sell?

[pijan]

Doing some treedudes in south Karana and ran to sell at centaur. Came back to a fella sitting there saying it was his camp since I wasn't there when he arrived. Is this how camps work? Do I need to just find someone else to sell for me next time?

[branamil]

As long as you stay in the zone the camp is still yours. It's only leaving the zone when you lose a camp. He was wrong.

[loramin]

As long as you stay in the zone the camp is still yours. It's only leaving the zone when you lose a camp. He was wrong.

This. But fair warning: if you don't make it back to your camp in time and the ents start spawning while he's there and you're not, it absolutely is his camp. But as long as you make it back in time the camp is your's, and if he tries to take the mobs after that it's petition time (or at least very strongly-worded /tell time).

But ... if we want to get really technical, neither of you can hold all the ents. Technically each of you can only hold a single spawn point, and then every remaining ent becomes FTE (first to engage ... whoever agroes it first gets it).

But most people don't get to that level of rules lawyering and instead treat all the ents as a single camp.

[pijan]

This is correct. If you don't make it back to your camp in time and the ents start spawning while he's there and you're not, it absolutely is his camp. But as long as you make it back in time the camp is your's, and if he tries to take the mobs after that it's petition time (or at least very strongly-worded /tell time).

Now, if we want to get really technical, neither of you can hold all the ents. Technically each of you can only hold a single spawn point, and then every remaining ent becomes FTE (first to engage ... whoever agroes it first gets it).

But most people don't get to that level of rules lawyering and instead treat all the ents as a single camp.

One of the two were up by the time I got back is this enough to lose camp?

[Xer0]

One of the two were up by the time I got back is this enough to lose camp?

Yes.

He arrived at the camp. Spawns were up, no one was there. That means the camp isn't claimed.

[pijan]

Yes.

He arrived at the camp. Spawns were up, no one was there. That means the camp isn't claimed.

OK thanks. Guess I'll fine someone to sell for me next time

[bigjeff100]

Doing some treedudes in south Karana and ran to sell at centaur. Came back to a fella sitting there saying it was his camp since I wasn't there when he arrived. Is this how camps work? Do I need to just find someone else to sell for me next time?

That sucks man. I'd have given back that camp in a second! There are always other things to do on EQ. With a player base of players 30 years old and up, It's annoying people can't just be like " Oh sorry man just figured camp was empty, it's all yours" Instead you get- Nah man, camps mine, sorry you missed out on exp". Those people exist, but good people exist too :)

[Legidias]

You can always /who and hire a lowbie to sell for you.

[loramin]

OK thanks. Guess I'll fine someone to sell for me next time

You can also announce what you're doing, "/ooc Leaving ents to sell real quick but I'll be right back". That will discourage most people from taking your camp, but it might encourage the really lame ones.

Also, again technically at that point the server rules would allow/encourage you to share if you want. The new guy would get the spawn point that was up, you could claim the spawn point that wasn't, and if there were any left (I forget how many ents there are) you two could race for it.

It would be worse than having the camp to yourself, but better than no camp at all. Still, there are so many camps in SK that if it were me I'd just move on to centaurs, aviaks, hermit, elephants, etc., unless the person taking the camp was being a real dick about it (in which case I might force them to share purely out of spite ... but only if they were really being a dick).

[JackofSpade]

It is his camp if you are strictly following the rules, as he arrived to an unoccupied camp with mobs up. However, in my experience, most people will concede back the camp (and I do for others) if you politely explain the situation to them and ask nicely for it back. If you did that and he still went all lawyerquest on you then he is a dick imo, even though he isn't technically breaking any rules.

[Swish2]

It is his camp if you are strictly following the rules, as he arrived to an unoccupied camp with mobs up. However, in my experience, most people will concede back the camp (and I do for others) if you politely explain the situation to them and ask nicely for it back. If you did that and he still went all lawyerquest on you then he is a dick imo, even though he isn't technically breaking any rules.

If the server had more players like this it would be great. I've always been the same, and have encountered like minded people who are nice about it.

[aaezil]

If following the rules as they are makes someone a dick maybe the rules arent great?

[Mewse]

If following the rules as they are makes someone a dick maybe the rules arent great?

How else could the rules work? It would be hard to prove to the other person that you were just there while in-game (particularly if there's a full respawn), and aren't just trying to take advantage of them. I've had people log in after I'd been in the camp for an hour and tell me they had "just gone to sell" or "pc crashed", etc. There are shitty people on both sides of this equation, although it admittedly happens far less often in the scenario I described than the one for OP.

Unless we have a bunch of extra Sirken's to chill out at all of the camps 24/7, this is the best middle ground. The problem is the people, not the rules.

[fortior]

Honestly I've always viewed building encumbrance and the need to free up inventory by selling as a natural way to make sure camps get handed off from player to player after some time spent there.

[AkashicRecord]

Honestly I've always viewed building encumbrance and the need to free up inventory by selling as a natural way to make sure camps get handed off from player to player after some time spent there.

I agree. That's how I've always played it. I've casually given up spots by having to free up inventory, and if I came back and the camp was taken while I was gone, I'd move on as I should.

[Venjenz]

Best way to avoid this - hire runner to sell for you, pay them a percentage.

If not, you take your chances with someone doing exactly what happened, as it is well within the rules, even if dickish according to the unwritten rules of politeness.

[fortior]

Is it really dickish though, it sounds super entitled to get upset when someone takes the most popular camp in a zone when you casually stroll over to a vendor in order to sell off all the loot you filled up your bag slots with

[Venjenz]

Is it really dickish though, it sounds super entitled to get upset when someone takes the most popular camp in a zone when you casually stroll over to a vendor in order to sell off all the loot you filled up your bag slots with
It's dickish because if you roll up on a cleared camp, you know somebody is camping it and you know politeness says give 'em 5-10 minutes before settling in. If you choose to take the camp and then claim "but rules!" then that's being dickish. It's not illegal to be dickish, it won't get you banned or anything, but it is dickish.

imho, ymmv.

[Baler]

The staff have been so wish-washy about this title topic.

In the past they've said you can leave to sell/zone if you're able to return before the mob spawns and keep it down without delay.

Then I just heard braknar and sirken talking on sirken's latest stream about outdoor spawns and they said you can only really camp 1 outdoor spawn. If you leave it you're no longer camping it.


so idk, just don't be a jerk. Play Nice! (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=132299)